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On July 09 2016 10:05 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:This is quite an interesting point being raised. Show nested quote +Gary Johnson believes the tensions between police and minorities that led to two high-profile police shootings and the deaths of five Dallas police officers has a root cause: The long-running war on drugs.
The libertarian nominee for president did not directly tie the drug war to the shooting deaths in Minnesota and Louisiana by police or the sniper killings of five officers in Texas this week. But poor relations between police and African-Americans stems from the criminalization of drug use, he said.
“The root is the war on drugs, I believe. Police knocking down doors, shooting first,” Johnson said in an interview Friday in Washington. “If you are (black and) arrested in a drug-related crime, there is four times more likelihood of going to prison than if you are white. And shooting is part of the same phenomenon.”
“That’s the common thread. Shootings are occurring with black people, black people are dying,” he added. “This is an escalation.”
The former Republican governor of New Mexico is pitching a complete rewrite of the nation’s drug policy as part of his underdog run for the presidency alongside his running mate, former Massachusetts GOP Gov. Bill Weld. Johnson wants to legalize marijuana and find other ways to deal with harder drugs than long periods of incarceration. Source
Does he also have an opinion on water? Is it wet?
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Smart opportunism I guess?
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On July 09 2016 08:45 zlefin wrote:Show nested quote +On July 09 2016 08:42 NukeD wrote:On July 09 2016 08:40 zlefin wrote:On July 09 2016 08:36 NukeD wrote:On July 09 2016 08:31 Godwrath wrote:On July 09 2016 08:08 NukeD wrote:People should seriously be prosecuted for shit like this. Damn, the PC crowd at it again. Im like the most anti PC guy here. You just cant write stuff like that in the light of this big of a tragedy. we're talking about this week's US thing, right? on the scale of tragedies that barely registers (except for West-centrism). though I might be unclear on exactly which issue you referring to, so feel free to clarify. The Dallas shooting? Am I missing something here? that compared to a lot of other things happening in the world, 5 dead isn't that big of a tragedy. That was the comparison I was noting. it doesn't even change much in the US homicide rate either; it doesn't even change the Dallas homicide rate notably. If we're talking about the scale of tragedies and 5 dead, the callousness is becoming very real (or maybe it's because only cops were killed?) This is the deadliest event for police since September 11th. You've repeatedly shown concern in this thread over far less important things, so have a little empathy. And if you're gonna skip 20 pages of thread and go on this very nihilistic path, I think you'd benefit from reading every single page.
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On July 09 2016 10:47 Danglars wrote:Show nested quote +On July 09 2016 08:45 zlefin wrote:On July 09 2016 08:42 NukeD wrote:On July 09 2016 08:40 zlefin wrote:On July 09 2016 08:36 NukeD wrote:On July 09 2016 08:31 Godwrath wrote:On July 09 2016 08:08 NukeD wrote:People should seriously be prosecuted for shit like this. Damn, the PC crowd at it again. Im like the most anti PC guy here. You just cant write stuff like that in the light of this big of a tragedy. we're talking about this week's US thing, right? on the scale of tragedies that barely registers (except for West-centrism). though I might be unclear on exactly which issue you referring to, so feel free to clarify. The Dallas shooting? Am I missing something here? that compared to a lot of other things happening in the world, 5 dead isn't that big of a tragedy. That was the comparison I was noting. it doesn't even change much in the US homicide rate either; it doesn't even change the Dallas homicide rate notably. If we're talking about the scale of tragedies and 5 dead, the callousness is becoming very real (or maybe it's because only cops were killed?) This is the deadliest event for police since September 11th. You've repeatedly shown concern in this thread over far less important things, so have a little empathy. And if you're gonna skip 20 pages of thread and go on this very nihilistic path, I think you'd benefit from reading every single page.
not callous. simply calling things as they are. Your use of an entirely unjustified accusation of cop-hating proves you're more interested in hating and vilifying than in any real discussion. And I never claimed it isn't a tragedy, nor that action shouldln't be taken. I also specifically asked what happened in those pages. I think you need to calm down and be more reasonable. It's also not nihilistic at all, you need to look up what nihilism is.
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Beyond Dallas, police come under fire in three other states
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-police-shootings-idUSKCN0ZO2LH
Police came under fire in three states on Thursday and Friday, authorities said, possibly prompted by the same motivation behind the rampage in Dallas: police use of force against black people.
A man in Tennessee opened fire on a hotel and a highway, killing a woman, grazing a police officer with a bullet and wounding several others on Thursday because he may have been troubled by incidents involving black people and law enforcement, officials said.
Police officers also were ambushed and wounded in Missouri and Georgia on Friday, but officials did not know the motivation.
Drudge really showing his true colors. No headline for Castille, and the links related to Dallas up right now.
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On July 09 2016 11:11 zulu_nation8 wrote:http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-police-shootings-idUSKCN0ZO2LHShow nested quote +Police came under fire in three states on Thursday and Friday, authorities said, possibly prompted by the same motivation behind the rampage in Dallas: police use of force against black people.
A man in Tennessee opened fire on a hotel and a highway, killing a woman, grazing a police officer with a bullet and wounding several others on Thursday because he may have been troubled by incidents involving black people and law enforcement, officials said.
Police officers also were ambushed and wounded in Missouri and Georgia on Friday, but officials did not know the motivation. Drudge really showing his true colors. No headline for Castille, and the links related to Dallas up right now.
When it happened (and I said F them) they had a headline claiming BLM was responsible before we even knew anything, Rush has been going on about how this makes them terrorists, and so on. America's Ugly is on full display this week.
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On July 09 2016 10:55 zlefin wrote:Show nested quote +On July 09 2016 10:47 Danglars wrote:On July 09 2016 08:45 zlefin wrote:On July 09 2016 08:42 NukeD wrote:On July 09 2016 08:40 zlefin wrote:On July 09 2016 08:36 NukeD wrote:On July 09 2016 08:31 Godwrath wrote:On July 09 2016 08:08 NukeD wrote:People should seriously be prosecuted for shit like this. Damn, the PC crowd at it again. Im like the most anti PC guy here. You just cant write stuff like that in the light of this big of a tragedy. we're talking about this week's US thing, right? on the scale of tragedies that barely registers (except for West-centrism). though I might be unclear on exactly which issue you referring to, so feel free to clarify. The Dallas shooting? Am I missing something here? that compared to a lot of other things happening in the world, 5 dead isn't that big of a tragedy. That was the comparison I was noting. it doesn't even change much in the US homicide rate either; it doesn't even change the Dallas homicide rate notably. If we're talking about the scale of tragedies and 5 dead, the callousness is becoming very real (or maybe it's because only cops were killed?) This is the deadliest event for police since September 11th. You've repeatedly shown concern in this thread over far less important things, so have a little empathy. And if you're gonna skip 20 pages of thread and go on this very nihilistic path, I think you'd benefit from reading every single page. not callous. simply calling things as they are. Your use of an entirely unjustified accusation of cop-hating proves you're more interested in hating and vilifying than in any real discussion. And I never claimed it isn't a tragedy, nor that action shouldln't be taken. I also specifically asked what happened in those pages. I think you need to calm down and be more reasonable. It's also not nihilistic at all, you need to look up what nihilism is. + Show Spoiler +that compared to a lot of other things happening in the world, 5 dead isn't that big of a tragedy.
Rant aside, I pray no similar homicides of cops come in these weeks. This tragedy is just beyond the pale. I was all choked up just seeing the volume flags at half mast driving around work today
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Rush gonna Rush, but there is rhetoric going on, unrelated to BLM, that could be considered terrorism:
http://www.vocativ.com/338505/hate-group-urges-gangs-to-kill-cops-after-dallas-shootings/
As people across the racial spectrum gathered Friday to mourn and condemn the deadliest attack on police in recent history, a group of fringe black extremist organizations found cause for celebration over the deaths of cops.
After sniper fire brought down five officers and wounded more at a Black Lives Matter march in Dallas Thursday evening, the group issued a swift statement denouncing violence. Their statements were echoed by the president, political leaders from both parties, and across social media. But, some members of black vigilante hate groups seized on Thursday’s sniper shooting in Dallas to issue a rallying cry for more violence and bloodshed against police.
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This tragedy is just beyond the pale
It's a tragedy, but how much, I suppose depends on the value you place on life that isn't wearing a badge.
On July 09 2016 11:35 zulu_nation8 wrote:Rush gonna Rush, but there is rhetoric going on, unrelated to BLM, that could be considered terrorism: http://www.vocativ.com/338505/hate-group-urges-gangs-to-kill-cops-after-dallas-shootings/Show nested quote +As people across the racial spectrum gathered Friday to mourn and condemn the deadliest attack on police in recent history, a group of fringe black extremist organizations found cause for celebration over the deaths of cops.
After sniper fire brought down five officers and wounded more at a Black Lives Matter march in Dallas Thursday evening, the group issued a swift statement denouncing violence. Their statements were echoed by the president, political leaders from both parties, and across social media. But, some members of black vigilante hate groups seized on Thursday’s sniper shooting in Dallas to issue a rallying cry for more violence and bloodshed against police.
It's been coming the other direction forever. If, Rush, neo-nazi's and the like are able to spread their propaganda (often inside police departments) we have to let them say that. That's how constitutional rights work.
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Sure, and I don't ever remember reading about New Black Panthers in mainstream media before today.
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On July 09 2016 10:47 Danglars wrote:Show nested quote +On July 09 2016 08:45 zlefin wrote:On July 09 2016 08:42 NukeD wrote:On July 09 2016 08:40 zlefin wrote:On July 09 2016 08:36 NukeD wrote:On July 09 2016 08:31 Godwrath wrote:On July 09 2016 08:08 NukeD wrote:People should seriously be prosecuted for shit like this. Damn, the PC crowd at it again. Im like the most anti PC guy here. You just cant write stuff like that in the light of this big of a tragedy. we're talking about this week's US thing, right? on the scale of tragedies that barely registers (except for West-centrism). though I might be unclear on exactly which issue you referring to, so feel free to clarify. The Dallas shooting? Am I missing something here? that compared to a lot of other things happening in the world, 5 dead isn't that big of a tragedy. That was the comparison I was noting. it doesn't even change much in the US homicide rate either; it doesn't even change the Dallas homicide rate notably. If we're talking about the scale of tragedies and 5 dead, the callousness is becoming very real (or maybe it's because only cops were killed?) This is the deadliest event for police since September 11th. You've repeatedly shown concern in this thread over far less important things, so have a little empathy. And if you're gonna skip 20 pages of thread and go on this very nihilistic path, I think you'd benefit from reading every single page.
Well quoted from the medias.
Maybe there's people who have the opinion that it makes jack shit of a difference if a cop or civilian got shot. And in that scale, 5 "persons" (not cops, persons) killed are actually not that uncommon in the US.
People are arguing that you can't hold police to a higher standard, yet somehow there's a difference between cops killed and "normal people" being killed.
You're fucking hypocritical.
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For those saying BLM isn't changing the conversation, I call BS. It's a small shift in the grand scheme but it's a pretty huge shift from how we talked about this a few years ago, let alone a decade.
GOP leaders say whites unaware of challenges facing black Americans
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Also $15 minimum wage is now in the Democratic platform.
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But the shooter, by attaching himself to BLM, just undid all their work. Gringrich has balls to make that statement but he's never stuck to party lines.
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On July 09 2016 12:09 zulu_nation8 wrote:
But the shooter, by attaching himself to BLM, just undid all their work. Gringrich has balls to make that statement but he's never stuck to party lines.
He explicitly didn't attach himself to Black Lives Matter. He doesn't undo anything, the people who let it are the ones undoing work.
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Ok, he said he acted alone. But there's a lot of convincing required to separate him from the cause of BLM.
“He wanted to kill officers, and he expressed killing white people, he expressed killing white officers,” Brown said. “He expressed anger for Black Lives Matter. None of that makes sense, none of that is a legitimate reason to do harm to anyone, so the rest of it would just be speculating on what his motivations were. We just know what he said to our negotiators.”
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It's one guy. There's no possible way you can say he is responsible for anyone but himself. Millions of people hear the BLM message. They aren't all doing what he did.
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On July 09 2016 12:15 zulu_nation8 wrote:Ok, he said he acted alone. But there's a lot of convincing required to separate him from the cause of BLM. Show nested quote +“He wanted to kill officers, and he expressed killing white people, he expressed killing white officers,” Brown said. “He expressed anger for Black Lives Matter. None of that makes sense, none of that is a legitimate reason to do harm to anyone, so the rest of it would just be speculating on what his motivations were. We just know what he said to our negotiators.”
No there's not. BLM has always been about stopping violence. Violence is the antithesis of their message period. That some people that have attached themselves in name (which he explicitly didn't do) doesn't make them representatives of BLM if/when they get violent or advocate violence. This should be obvious, as it's the same case being made by those who defend the police. Except they are quite obviously part of the group known as "the police".
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I didn't mean to convince me, I meant the general public with their stance on Islam and terrorism. My point is that a lot of work has been undone and a lot of people need convincing.
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On July 09 2016 12:24 zulu_nation8 wrote:
I didn't mean to convince me, I meant the general public with their stance on Islam and terrorism. My point is that a lot of work has been undone and a lot of people need convincing.
We've been doing our job for over a century, it's their turn.
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On July 09 2016 12:26 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On July 09 2016 12:24 zulu_nation8 wrote:
I didn't mean to convince me, I meant the general public with their stance on Islam and terrorism. My point is that a lot of work has been undone and a lot of people need convincing. We've been doing our job for over a century, it's their turn.
I don't think that's a progressive attitude.
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