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On June 10 2016 03:59 SK.Testie wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2016 03:48 Plansix wrote:
Every single black person I have meet or listened to has said racism is still an issue and has been having a resurgence. That the idea that it will die off with the old racist of the pasts was incorrect. I would seriously argue that this is a direct reaction to progressives. Take for instance: #oscarssowhite (we'll ignore worse hashtags like #killwhitey #beatwhiteynight #theknockoutgame #worldstar) The # of oscar winners is very similar to the proportion of their population. Considering black people are 13% of the population, there will be entire years without a single black person nominated for best actor or actress. Meanwhile, a black man was hosting the show. Progressives chose their battles really poorly. They're doing video games and movies and all that. I'm not sure what the leading roles of movies are, I don't count. Is it 63% - 13% - 17% - x% for the rest of the minorities? Is there a website that counts leading roles from 2000 onward or % of casts? And furthermore on the oscars, we should all just blame Daniel Day Lewis for being a greedy oscar cunt. =] (While I'm on the topic of Oscars: I'd like to just mention that I did the most amazing Oscar call by calling Forest Whittaker taking the Oscar just from seeing 10 seconds of performance in a commercial. So I win at Oscar judging.) Here's another really bad SJW article: Choose battles better. The left is very much interested in divisiveness. What Asians owe black americaThis is the top two comments. Show nested quote +I'm an Asian American. Honestly speaking I don't think I owe anything to any particular group of ethnic in the US. I owe all Americans for letting me be here to have opportunity that I didn't have in my country. To overcome the discrimination, as others said in this thread, we Asian have tried to work hard and study hard. That's the only way for us to be respected in this country. Of course, gradually we learn to speak up for our rights. However, in this case, it's the white people have taught us that, to tell the truth. Not Black people. Sorry folks.
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you guys busted your hump to be known as go getters and hard workers a century before civil rights era, instead of playing the pitty card you got up every time you got pushed down and did amazing things teh only sterotype i know for Asean decent americans is move on in adn build up the area with that amazing work ethic, thanks for adding to the nation and finding your amerrican dream And that's why Trump is so great. =) "We don't care what colour you are, so long as you're an AMERICAN first" Stop waving those other flags, pick up an American flag!
Huffingtonpost is such a joke jesus christ how do they publish that shit and get away with it
Their existence proves a viewerbase exists that can only be described as 'regressive'
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For some context, until relatively recently this is what happened when black people have tried to take "personal responsibility" to improve themselves in America:
I could see planes circling in mid-air. They grew in number and hummed, darted and dipped low. I could hear something like hail falling upon the top of my office building. Down East Archer, I saw the old Mid-Way hotel on fire, burning from its top, and then another and another and another building began to burn from their top,” wrote Buck Colbert Franklin.
The Oklahoma lawyer, father of famed African-American historian John Hope Franklin (1915-2009), was describing the attack by hundreds of whites on the thriving black neighborhood known as Greenwood in the booming oil town. “Lurid flames roared and belched and licked their forked tongues into the air. Smoke ascended the sky in thick, black volumes and amid it all, the planes—now a dozen or more in number—still hummed and darted here and there with the agility of natural birds of the air.
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The younger Franklin says Tulsa has been in denial over the fact that people were cruel enough to bomb the black community from the air, in private planes, and that black people were machine-gunned down in the streets. The issue was economics. Franklin explains that Native Americans and African-Americans became wealthy thanks to the discovery of oil in the early 1900s on what had previously been seen as worthless land.
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As in other places, the Tulsa race riot started with newspaper reports that a black man had assaulted a white elevator operator. He was arrested, and Franklin says black World War I vets rushed to the courthouse to prevent a lynching.
“Then whites were deputized and handed weapons, the shooting starts and then it gets out of hand,” Franklin says. “It went on for two days until the entire black community is burned down.”
More than 35 blocks were destroyed, along with more than 1,200 homes, and some 300 people died, mostly blacks. The National Guard was called out after the governor declared martial law, and imprisoned all blacks that were not already in jail. More than 6,000 people were held, according to the Tulsa Historical Society and Museum, some for as long as eight days.
It's not about making people feel guilty or assigning blame for past wrongs. It's about recognizing that time and again, thoughout the entire history of the United States, black people have been royally fucked over, and that we all have a responsibility to try to reverse the damage caused by said fucking.
A nice start is to listen to black people and take them seriously when they say that they still encounter frequent racism today.
Edit, forgot the source: www.smithsonianmag.com
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On June 10 2016 04:12 Surth wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2016 04:09 GGTeMpLaR wrote:On June 10 2016 03:55 Surth wrote:
I am not personally responsible for acts I did not do. I do not believe in collective moral responsibility and associating collective blame to collectives as it's own ontological object.
But collectives are their own ontological object. In fact, YOU are a collective, as am I! Ask Walt Whitman!  This is dodging the point :p Collectives exist. Collectives capable of moral responsibility? That's a matter of contentious debate in philosophy today. I don't think they are. You are an individual capable of moral responsibility. The collection of your atoms is not because atoms are incapable of moral responsibility. i am capable of moral responsibility? I am not so sure that I am. I am absolutely serious too :o
Ok we'll avoid going down the rabbit hole lol it's a moot point anyways in the grand scheme of american politics
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On June 10 2016 03:57 amazingxkcd wrote:
i found this pretty funny
The shitposting has come full circle lol
This is honestly going to be the most savage election in history
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Only a few people owned slaves but the economy was built on that slave labor. If you owned a cotton shirt or ate a product with suger in it or were involved in any way with some of those products you were involved in the slave trade and enjoyed their labor. That your ancestors didn't have the opportunity to literally own other people doesn't absolve you of the gilt.
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Most savage in awhile maybe; in history, very unlikely. I'm assuming you only mean US history; but the rhetoric could get very harsh back in the 1800s.
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On June 10 2016 04:23 Sermokala wrote:
Only a few people owned slaves but the economy was built on that slave labor. If you owned a cotton shirt or ate a product with suger in it or were involved in any way with some of those products you were involved in the slave trade and enjoyed their labor. That your ancestors didn't have the opportunity to literally own other people doesn't absolve you of the gilt.
There is no guilt to be absolved of.
I am not guilty of owning slaves or supporting a slave economy any more than Green is.
That's as idiotic and racist as saying all black people should be held accountable every time a black person murders someone.
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On June 10 2016 04:23 Sermokala wrote:
Only a few people owned slaves but the economy was built on that slave labor. If you owned a cotton shirt or ate a product with suger in it or were involved in any way with some of those products you were involved in the slave trade and enjoyed their labor. That your ancestors didn't have the opportunity to literally own other people doesn't absolve you of the gilt.
No, no one is guilty of the crimes of their predecessors.
I am not responsible for the Dutch slave trade any more then a German is responsible for the holocaust.
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On June 10 2016 04:25 GGTeMpLaR wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2016 04:23 Sermokala wrote:
Only a few people owned slaves but the economy was built on that slave labor. If you owned a cotton shirt or ate a product with suger in it or were involved in any way with some of those products you were involved in the slave trade and enjoyed their labor. That your ancestors didn't have the opportunity to literally own other people doesn't absolve you of the gilt. There is no guilt to be absolved of. I am not guilty of owning slaves or supporting a slave economy any more than Green is. That's as idiotic and racist as saying all black people should be held accountable every time a black person murders someone.
But you and I have benefited from the aftermath of that system, while Green continues to feel the repercussions.
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On June 10 2016 04:05 GGTeMpLaR wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2016 03:51 GreenHorizons wrote:On June 10 2016 03:49 GGTeMpLaR wrote:On June 10 2016 03:45 GreenHorizons wrote:On June 10 2016 03:39 GGTeMpLaR wrote:On June 10 2016 03:38 GreenHorizons wrote:Yeah, the entire western world should be held accountable because of the 5% of rich white people, who have been dead for more than a hundred years, owned black slaves because it was cheaper labor. I totally forgot that segregation never happened, or the KKK, or the Aryan brotherhood, or the countless police up to and including many chiefs, and so on. I forgot racism ended after slavery. My bad, racism ends when white people say it did #facts. Do you want me to apologize for what some white people did 200 years ago because I'm white? Would that make you feel better? Your entire worldview leads to nothing but hatred towards 'white people', and hypocritically, the propagation of more racism and segregation. I advise you pick up a history book and realize slavery was only a few centuries of the many that white people didn't treat people of different colors as fully human. There are plenty of people who are still alive and personally remember when the blatant dehumanization of black people was an everyday experience. Pretending like it was all 200 years ago is some grade school level engagement on the topic. Fair enough, it was still widespread even 50 years ago perhaps in the deep south. I knew my grandparents and they were not a part of it. I am not personally responsible for acts I did not do. I do not believe in collective moral responsibility and associating collective blame to collectives as it's own ontological object. If you want to blame someone go defile some graves of old white people see if I care. Stop acting like 'black people' and 'white people' are unique ontological entities. They are nothing more than the net collective of associated individuals. What have you done to reach out to racist white people to get them to stop being racist? I've never come across a dangerous racist white person in my entire life and I lived in a very populated diverse city and then joined the military and have met hundreds of people and never come across it. People don't give a shit what color your skin is in my experience. I've seen more racist white villains in movies and t.v. shows than in reality. It's fucking dumb.
In your time in the military did you ever have an extended stay in a non western european foreign country? If you did, when you left the confines of the base/boat etc. did you ever feel uncomfortable among the local people?
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On June 10 2016 04:25 GGTeMpLaR wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2016 04:23 Sermokala wrote:
Only a few people owned slaves but the economy was built on that slave labor. If you owned a cotton shirt or ate a product with suger in it or were involved in any way with some of those products you were involved in the slave trade and enjoyed their labor. That your ancestors didn't have the opportunity to literally own other people doesn't absolve you of the gilt. There is no guilt to be absolved of. I am not guilty of owning slaves or supporting a slave economy any more than Green is. That's as idiotic and racist as saying all black people should be held accountable every time a black person murders someone.
You are guilty of supporting slavery and benifiting from it therefore you have guilt on your hands. The beneficial situation you find yourself in today is due to slave labor. not Just black people but slaves of all people. The problem is that black people had the temerity to not be killed off or shipped back to where they were enslaved.
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My dad isn't even from this country! My mother wasn't even part of the slave holders! No guilt for me! Also no guilt for individual for the crimes of their predecessors.
So they bought slaves from Africa. Black slavers.
A minority of whites were slave owners.
A minority of the slave owners were also blacks.
Literally, by that logic the son of an immigrant I would have less to do with slavery than perhaps some affluent black family who may have benefited from it. But because I happen to be white, I get lumped in.
At the peak of black slavery in the South, only 6 percent of Southern whites owned slaves. If you include the white people in the North, it means that only 1.4 percent of white Americans owned black slaves at the HEIGHT of slavery. An estimated 3,000 blacks owned a total of 20,000 black slaves in the year 1860.
Source!
But no, we're not going to say that black people haven't been fucked with because there's been countless examples given in this thread alone. But I think we've made the argument that if you dress decent and speak well, you'll be accepted regardless of your race currently.
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On June 10 2016 04:26 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2016 04:25 GGTeMpLaR wrote:On June 10 2016 04:23 Sermokala wrote:
Only a few people owned slaves but the economy was built on that slave labor. If you owned a cotton shirt or ate a product with suger in it or were involved in any way with some of those products you were involved in the slave trade and enjoyed their labor. That your ancestors didn't have the opportunity to literally own other people doesn't absolve you of the gilt. There is no guilt to be absolved of. I am not guilty of owning slaves or supporting a slave economy any more than Green is. That's as idiotic and racist as saying all black people should be held accountable every time a black person murders someone. But you and I have benefited from the aftermath of that system, while Green continues to feel the repercussions.
I'd love you to explain this.
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On June 10 2016 04:29 Sermokala wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2016 04:25 GGTeMpLaR wrote:On June 10 2016 04:23 Sermokala wrote:
Only a few people owned slaves but the economy was built on that slave labor. If you owned a cotton shirt or ate a product with suger in it or were involved in any way with some of those products you were involved in the slave trade and enjoyed their labor. That your ancestors didn't have the opportunity to literally own other people doesn't absolve you of the gilt. There is no guilt to be absolved of. I am not guilty of owning slaves or supporting a slave economy any more than Green is. That's as idiotic and racist as saying all black people should be held accountable every time a black person murders someone. You are guilty of supporting slavery and benifiting from it therefore you have guilt on your hands. The beneficial situation you find yourself in today is due to slave labor. not Just black people but slaves of all people. The problem is that black people had the temerity to not be killed off or shipped back to where they were enslaved.
Wow.
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On June 10 2016 04:29 Sermokala wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2016 04:25 GGTeMpLaR wrote:On June 10 2016 04:23 Sermokala wrote:
Only a few people owned slaves but the economy was built on that slave labor. If you owned a cotton shirt or ate a product with suger in it or were involved in any way with some of those products you were involved in the slave trade and enjoyed their labor. That your ancestors didn't have the opportunity to literally own other people doesn't absolve you of the gilt. There is no guilt to be absolved of. I am not guilty of owning slaves or supporting a slave economy any more than Green is. That's as idiotic and racist as saying all black people should be held accountable every time a black person murders someone. You are guilty of supporting slavery and benifiting from it therefore you have guilt on your hands. The beneficial situation you find yourself in today is due to slave labor. not Just black people but slaves of all people. The problem is that black people had the temerity to not be killed off or shipped back to where they were enslaved.
I dunno about canada; but I'm pretty sure the US constitution says something about guilt not applying to descendants.
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On June 10 2016 04:29 Sermokala wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2016 04:25 GGTeMpLaR wrote:On June 10 2016 04:23 Sermokala wrote:
Only a few people owned slaves but the economy was built on that slave labor. If you owned a cotton shirt or ate a product with suger in it or were involved in any way with some of those products you were involved in the slave trade and enjoyed their labor. That your ancestors didn't have the opportunity to literally own other people doesn't absolve you of the gilt. There is no guilt to be absolved of. I am not guilty of owning slaves or supporting a slave economy any more than Green is. That's as idiotic and racist as saying all black people should be held accountable every time a black person murders someone. You are guilty of supporting slavery and benifiting from it therefore you have guilt on your hands. The beneficial situation you find yourself in today is due to slave labor. not Just black people but slaves of all people. The problem is that black people had the temerity to not be killed off or shipped back to where they were enslaved.
He is supporting slavery? He is benefiting it? Are you on something?
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On June 10 2016 04:32 NukeD wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2016 04:29 Sermokala wrote:On June 10 2016 04:25 GGTeMpLaR wrote:On June 10 2016 04:23 Sermokala wrote:
Only a few people owned slaves but the economy was built on that slave labor. If you owned a cotton shirt or ate a product with suger in it or were involved in any way with some of those products you were involved in the slave trade and enjoyed their labor. That your ancestors didn't have the opportunity to literally own other people doesn't absolve you of the gilt. There is no guilt to be absolved of. I am not guilty of owning slaves or supporting a slave economy any more than Green is. That's as idiotic and racist as saying all black people should be held accountable every time a black person murders someone. You are guilty of supporting slavery and benifiting from it therefore you have guilt on your hands. The beneficial situation you find yourself in today is due to slave labor. not Just black people but slaves of all people. The problem is that black people had the temerity to not be killed off or shipped back to where they were enslaved. He is supporting slavery? He is benefiting it? Are you on something?
His ancestors supported slavery and benifited from it. Read the whole post next time.
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On June 10 2016 04:05 GGTeMpLaR wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2016 03:51 GreenHorizons wrote:On June 10 2016 03:49 GGTeMpLaR wrote:On June 10 2016 03:45 GreenHorizons wrote:On June 10 2016 03:39 GGTeMpLaR wrote:On June 10 2016 03:38 GreenHorizons wrote:Yeah, the entire western world should be held accountable because of the 5% of rich white people, who have been dead for more than a hundred years, owned black slaves because it was cheaper labor. I totally forgot that segregation never happened, or the KKK, or the Aryan brotherhood, or the countless police up to and including many chiefs, and so on. I forgot racism ended after slavery. My bad, racism ends when white people say it did #facts. Do you want me to apologize for what some white people did 200 years ago because I'm white? Would that make you feel better? Your entire worldview leads to nothing but hatred towards 'white people', and hypocritically, the propagation of more racism and segregation. I advise you pick up a history book and realize slavery was only a few centuries of the many that white people didn't treat people of different colors as fully human. There are plenty of people who are still alive and personally remember when the blatant dehumanization of black people was an everyday experience. Pretending like it was all 200 years ago is some grade school level engagement on the topic. Fair enough, it was still widespread even 50 years ago perhaps in the deep south. I knew my grandparents and they were not a part of it. I am not personally responsible for acts I did not do. I do not believe in collective moral responsibility and associating collective blame to collectives as it's own ontological object. If you want to blame someone go defile some graves of old white people see if I care. Stop acting like 'black people' and 'white people' are unique ontological entities. They are nothing more than the net collective of associated individuals. What have you done to reach out to racist white people to get them to stop being racist? I've never come across a dangerous racist white person in my entire life and I lived in a very populated diverse city and then joined the military and have met hundreds of people and never come across it. People don't give a shit what color your skin is in my experience. I've seen more racist white villains in movies and t.v. shows than in reality. It's fucking dumb.
You have never come across an obviously racist person? I have met several and one of my friends has started down that path as well (started with a new group of friends he made and man they like to circle jerk race shit). Hell there is a retired Detroit police officer who lives behind my grandparents and he is pretty obviously an asshole to everyone but he seems to have an especial distaste for blacks.
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On June 10 2016 04:29 Sermokala wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2016 04:25 GGTeMpLaR wrote:On June 10 2016 04:23 Sermokala wrote:
Only a few people owned slaves but the economy was built on that slave labor. If you owned a cotton shirt or ate a product with suger in it or were involved in any way with some of those products you were involved in the slave trade and enjoyed their labor. That your ancestors didn't have the opportunity to literally own other people doesn't absolve you of the gilt. There is no guilt to be absolved of. I am not guilty of owning slaves or supporting a slave economy any more than Green is. That's as idiotic and racist as saying all black people should be held accountable every time a black person murders someone. You are guilty of supporting slavery and benifiting from it therefore you have guilt on your hands. The beneficial situation you find yourself in today is due to slave labor. not Just black people but slaves of all people. The problem is that black people had the temerity to not be killed off or shipped back to where they were enslaved.
let's just postulate you're correct. By that very logic, all Germans are guilty of Holocast, including legal immigrants and got citizenship, all Balkens are guilty of Armenian suicide, All Christians are guilty for the multitude of crusades launched for greedy interests, etc.
So what you guilty of that you benefit from?
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On June 10 2016 04:32 NukeD wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2016 04:29 Sermokala wrote:On June 10 2016 04:25 GGTeMpLaR wrote:On June 10 2016 04:23 Sermokala wrote:
Only a few people owned slaves but the economy was built on that slave labor. If you owned a cotton shirt or ate a product with suger in it or were involved in any way with some of those products you were involved in the slave trade and enjoyed their labor. That your ancestors didn't have the opportunity to literally own other people doesn't absolve you of the gilt. There is no guilt to be absolved of. I am not guilty of owning slaves or supporting a slave economy any more than Green is. That's as idiotic and racist as saying all black people should be held accountable every time a black person murders someone. You are guilty of supporting slavery and benifiting from it therefore you have guilt on your hands. The beneficial situation you find yourself in today is due to slave labor. not Just black people but slaves of all people. The problem is that black people had the temerity to not be killed off or shipped back to where they were enslaved. He is supporting slavery? He is benefiting it? Are you on something?
He is being facetious, you notice at the end where he said that the slaves that the audacity not to die off. He is making an over the top argument mocking what Templar is trying to imply people trying to suggest.
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