US Politics Mega-thread - Page 4008

On June 10 2016 03:57 amazingxkcd wrote:
i found this pretty funny

On June 10 2016 04:37 amazingxkcd wrote:


let's just postulate you're correct. By that very logic, all Germans are guilty of Holocast, including legal immigrants and got citizenship, all Balkens are guilty of Armenian suicide, All Christians are guilty for the multitude of crusades launched for greedy interests, etc.

So what you guilty of?

On June 10 2016 04:25 Gorsameth wrote:

No, no one is guilty of the crimes of their predecessors.

I am not responsible for the Dutch slave trade any more then a German is responsible for the holocaust.

On June 10 2016 04:42 Surth wrote:
You say that like it is an obvious thing. But it might not be an obvious thing.

If nobody is guilty of the crimes of their predecessors, is nobody also also deserving of their inheritance? I ask because I do not know. stills, lets talk about collective guilt. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warschauer_Kniefall

On June 10 2016 04:46 SK.Testie wrote:


Do pretty people deserve their amazing looks because their parents had such great genes and chose such nice mates? Redistribute the genes! Pretty people must mate with ugly people to ensure equality! Being pretty is oppressive to the ugly!

On June 10 2016 04:42 Surth wrote:
You say that like it is an obvious thing. But it might not be an obvious thing.

If nobody is guilty of the crimes of their predecessors, is nobody also also deserving of their inheritance? I ask because I do not know. stills, lets talk about collective guilt. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warschauer_Kniefall

On June 10 2016 04:55 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
A really, really great endorsement by Obama for Hillary. I think he did a solid job of incorporating Bernie as well, giving us a taste of the "Yes, they were rivals, but in the bigger picture, they are allies". That's something that needs to be made extremely clear by Hillary, and I think the two best ways to do that is for her to continue moving more to the left on some issues and for her to select a running mate who is more non-establishment and comparable to Bernie or Elizabeth Warren.

On June 10 2016 04:46 SK.Testie wrote:


Do pretty people deserve their amazing looks because their parents had such great genes and chose such nice mates? Redistribute the genes! Pretty people must mate with ugly people to ensure equality! Being pretty is oppressive to the ugly!

On June 10 2016 04:51 zlefin wrote:
what actions to make up for it are you proposing sermo?

On June 10 2016 04:55 Gorsameth wrote:

10.000 years ago one caveman bashed in the skull of another. Extrapolate forward and the entire world is guilty of murder.
Do we imprison the entire world?
The answer is obviously no. Do we all pay penance for this murder? Again, no we obviously don't.

We don't imprison a son for the crimes of his father.

So why should I be guilty of the crimes of my ancestors? Yes I benefit from from their slave trade but the entire world benefited from their linage not being ended by the sharp edge of a rock 10.000 years ago.

Now I certainly understand that what happened was wrong and that the so called "Dutch golden age" is a black mark on our history but to consider any individual or collective guilty of crimes they had 0 influence on is imo preposterous.

Yes the 'white man' was responsible for slavery and yes people still suffer from the lingering effects but the way to fight it is to try and make sure it never happens again and that they have the same rights and chances as anyone else.
It is not to fight over guilt about something 200 years in the past.

On June 10 2016 05:04 Sermokala wrote:

Redo the homestead act for modern times. Have the government "buy" foreclosed houses in Detroit. And offer them to Poor families to move to these homes for free on conditions like you have to live there and improve the equity on the home by X and not do crimes.

On June 10 2016 05:05 Surth wrote:
Oh, and I don't think Bernie necessarily needs to get behind Clinton and the Dems. From the perspective of our (gloriously dysfunction, though in different ways) 5-6 party system here in Germany, it seems to me that the US have two parties which are both center-right. I don't think the "left" has any responsibility to help either of these parties. the Dems are to the left of the republicans mostly on issues like gay marriage etc. But for a committed leftist who, say, might have a problem problems that are much more fundamental, the Democrats are not at all the solution, they are the problem.

Bernie, of course, kind of sold that whole fact short when he tried to be all appeasing in the debates with Clinton, smugly saying that "anyone on this stage is 10 times better than what the republicans have to offer", but still.

On June 10 2016 05:06 Gorsameth wrote:

See, you should not be doing that because their black. You should be doing it to help the poor.

But that would be called social housing and that's a communist idea from the darkest pits of hell so... Good luck with that in America.

On June 10 2016 05:07 Sermokala wrote:

You don't understand the two party system. The margins are so small (beacuse the parties need to shift rapidly to capture the middle 20% of the nation) that if Hillary only has 85% of the parties support shes already lost the general.

On June 10 2016 05:05 Sermokala wrote:

The shitty socio-economic place that black people in the USA isn't 200 years the past. They barely had the right to vote 50 years ago.

On June 10 2016 04:23 Sermokala wrote:
Only a few people owned slaves but the economy was built on that slave labor. If you owned a cotton shirt or ate a product with suger in it or were involved in any way with some of those products you were involved in the slave trade and enjoyed their labor. That your ancestors didn't have the opportunity to literally own other people doesn't absolve you of the gilt.