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On June 10 2016 03:45 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2016 03:39 GGTeMpLaR wrote:On June 10 2016 03:38 GreenHorizons wrote:Yeah, the entire western world should be held accountable because of the 5% of rich white people, who have been dead for more than a hundred years, owned black slaves because it was cheaper labor. I totally forgot that segregation never happened, or the KKK, or the Aryan brotherhood, or the countless police up to and including many chiefs, and so on. I forgot racism ended after slavery. My bad, racism ends when white people say it did #facts. Do you want me to apologize for what some white people did 200 years ago because I'm white? Would that make you feel better? Your entire worldview leads to nothing but hatred towards 'white people', and hypocritically, the propagation of more racism and segregation. I advise you pick up a history book and realize slavery was only a few centuries of the many that white people didn't treat people of different colors as fully human. There are plenty of people who are still alive and personally remember when the blatant dehumanization of black people was an everyday experience. Pretending like it was all 200 years ago is some grade school level engagement on the topic. Show nested quote +On June 10 2016 03:44 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
Tell you what Green, some racism against black people still exists in America. I'm sorry I said it didn't.
I think it's weaker than it ever has been in history though and it will continue to shrink as society continues to modernize.
Is that better. It would be better for you to admit you haven't a clue what racism is like for black people.
I thought I said that three times now but I guess you want an exact wording.
I do not have any clue what it is like to experience racism as a black PERSON.
There is no 'black people' to experience racism. There is no 'white people' entity or 'black people entity' to be racist and experience racism. Only individuals.
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On June 10 2016 03:48 Plansix wrote:
Every single black person I have meet or listened to has said racism is still an issue and has been having a resurgence. That the idea that it will die off with the old racist of the pasts was incorrect.
That's because if someone on the street gives you a dirty look nowadays they call it racism.
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On June 10 2016 03:52 GGTeMpLaR wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2016 03:48 Plansix wrote:
Every single black person I have meet or listened to has said racism is still an issue and has been having a resurgence. That the idea that it will die off with the old racist of the pasts was incorrect. That's because if someone on the street gives you a dirty look nowadays they call it racism.
And we have come to the difference between me and you. I choose to listen to them and take it on good faith that they are being honest. You can’t be bothered and just want them to put up with it without complaining.
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On June 10 2016 03:52 GGTeMpLaR wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2016 03:48 Plansix wrote:
Every single black person I have meet or listened to has said racism is still an issue and has been having a resurgence. That the idea that it will die off with the old racist of the pasts was incorrect. That's because if someone on the street gives you a dirty look nowadays they call it racism.
Conversely, apparently we can also have some presidential candidates post sweeping, hateful generalizations and actions against groups of people and have some people ignore them and still claim he's not racist or bigoted 
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I am not personally responsible for acts I did not do. I do not believe in collective moral responsibility and associating collective blame to collectives as it's own ontological object.
But collectives are their own ontological object. In fact, YOU are a collective, as am I! Ask Walt Whitman! 
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On June 10 2016 03:52 GGTeMpLaR wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2016 03:48 Plansix wrote:
Every single black person I have meet or listened to has said racism is still an issue and has been having a resurgence. That the idea that it will die off with the old racist of the pasts was incorrect. That's because if someone on the street gives you a dirty look nowadays they call it racism.
Have you ever actually lived by a significant number of black people? Or do you just look at media headlines and think that is the norm?
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On June 10 2016 03:48 Plansix wrote:
Every single black person I have meet or listened to has said racism is still an issue and has been having a resurgence. That the idea that it will die off with the old racist of the pasts was incorrect.
I would seriously argue that this is a direct reaction to progressives. Take for instance:
#oscarssowhite
(we'll ignore worse hashtags like #killwhitey #beatwhiteynight #theknockoutgame #worldstar)
The # of oscar winners is very similar to the proportion of their population. Considering black people are 13% of the population, there will be entire years without a single black person nominated for best actor or actress. Meanwhile, a black man was hosting the show. Progressives chose their battles really poorly. They're doing video games and movies and all that. I'm not sure what the leading roles of movies are, I don't count. Is it 63% - 13% - 17% - x% for the rest of the minorities?
Is there a website that counts leading roles from 2000 onward or % of casts?
And furthermore on the oscars, we should all just blame Daniel Day Lewis for being a greedy oscar cunt. =]
(While I'm on the topic of Oscars: I'd like to just mention that I did the most amazing Oscar call by calling Forest Whittaker taking the Oscar just from seeing 10 seconds of performance in a commercial. So I win at Oscar judging.)
Here's another really bad SJW article: Choose battles better. The left is very much interested in divisiveness.
What Asians owe black america
This is the top two comments.
I'm an Asian American. Honestly speaking I don't think I owe anything to any particular group of ethnic in the US. I owe all Americans for letting me be here to have opportunity that I didn't have in my country. To overcome the discrimination, as others said in this thread, we Asian have tried to work hard and study hard. That's the only way for us to be respected in this country. Of course, gradually we learn to speak up for our rights. However, in this case, it's the white people have taught us that, to tell the truth. Not Black people. Sorry folks.
Top response
you guys busted your hump to be known as go getters and hard workers a century before civil rights era, instead of playing the pitty card you got up every time you got pushed down and did amazing things teh only sterotype i know for Asean decent americans is move on in adn build up the area with that amazing work ethic, thanks for adding to the nation and finding your amerrican dream
And that's why Trump is so great. =)
"We don't care what colour you are, so long as you're an AMERICAN first"
Stop waving those other flags, pick up an American flag!
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IIRC it's latinos and asians who are really underrepresented in the oscars.
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On June 10 2016 03:45 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2016 03:39 GGTeMpLaR wrote:On June 10 2016 03:38 GreenHorizons wrote:Yeah, the entire western world should be held accountable because of the 5% of rich white people, who have been dead for more than a hundred years, owned black slaves because it was cheaper labor. I totally forgot that segregation never happened, or the KKK, or the Aryan brotherhood, or the countless police up to and including many chiefs, and so on. I forgot racism ended after slavery. My bad, racism ends when white people say it did #facts. Do you want me to apologize for what some white people did 200 years ago because I'm white? Would that make you feel better? Your entire worldview leads to nothing but hatred towards 'white people', and hypocritically, the propagation of more racism and segregation. I advise you pick up a history book and realize slavery was only a few centuries of the many that white people didn't treat people of different colors as fully human. There are plenty of people who are still alive and personally remember when the blatant dehumanization of black people was an everyday experience. Pretending like it was all 200 years ago is some grade school level engagement on the topic.
"White people" also ran the countries that ended slavery (the topical one fought a war over it), that created the legal foundations of human rights, that created the universities where ignorant upper class students are now trying to reintroduce segregation in the form of "safe spaces." It was history and most tribes thought the other tribes were shit. But they also cooperated, which is why we have a civilization now and the ability to post here and subject others to nonsense.
If people have to travel into the past to experience daily dehumanization, then maybe society is getting somewhere.
On June 10 2016 03:44 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
It would be better for you to admit you haven't a clue what racism is like for black people.
He's a homo sapiens sapiens, he's capable of understanding anything anyone else can if you actually had something to explain.
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On June 10 2016 03:51 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2016 03:49 GGTeMpLaR wrote:On June 10 2016 03:45 GreenHorizons wrote:On June 10 2016 03:39 GGTeMpLaR wrote:On June 10 2016 03:38 GreenHorizons wrote:Yeah, the entire western world should be held accountable because of the 5% of rich white people, who have been dead for more than a hundred years, owned black slaves because it was cheaper labor. I totally forgot that segregation never happened, or the KKK, or the Aryan brotherhood, or the countless police up to and including many chiefs, and so on. I forgot racism ended after slavery. My bad, racism ends when white people say it did #facts. Do you want me to apologize for what some white people did 200 years ago because I'm white? Would that make you feel better? Your entire worldview leads to nothing but hatred towards 'white people', and hypocritically, the propagation of more racism and segregation. I advise you pick up a history book and realize slavery was only a few centuries of the many that white people didn't treat people of different colors as fully human. There are plenty of people who are still alive and personally remember when the blatant dehumanization of black people was an everyday experience. Pretending like it was all 200 years ago is some grade school level engagement on the topic. Fair enough, it was still widespread even 50 years ago perhaps in the deep south. I knew my grandparents and they were not a part of it. I am not personally responsible for acts I did not do. I do not believe in collective moral responsibility and associating collective blame to collectives as it's own ontological object. If you want to blame someone go defile some graves of old white people see if I care. Stop acting like 'black people' and 'white people' are unique ontological entities. They are nothing more than the net collective of associated individuals. What have you done to reach out to racist white people to get them to stop being racist?
I've never come across a dangerous racist white person in my entire life and I lived in a very populated diverse city and then joined the military and have met hundreds of people and never come across it. People don't give a shit what color your skin is in my experience.
I've seen more racist white villains in movies and t.v. shows than in reality. It's fucking dumb.
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On June 10 2016 03:50 Slaughter wrote:
Racism isn't only about calling people racial slurs or hating them. A big part of it is unconscious. Where people think "hey I have no problem with X groups" but when it comes to make lets say hiring decisions they will be unconsciously biased against a person of color because of their name for example while reading a resume. People have a lot of these small biases that tend to favor whites over minorities and as a system as a whole it has a lot of these small things that might not seem a big of a deal in isolation but taken together make it that its obvious as a group whites tend to be favored. Add in like heavily slanted things like the criminal justice system and the historical baggage and well....we are getting better but we aren't there yet.
These small unconscious issues are so minute and are largely what scholars mean when they say it exists today and the translation of the nature of these issues and how they should be dealt with is entirely misunderstood by the layman, as mentioned in your previous post.
It's like men having to pay more for car insurance than women. Is that a sexist practice?
They pay more specifically base on the fact that they area male instead of a female. That's the definition of sexism right?
I don't think so.
It's rooted in something far more complex that make it acceptable without being sexist.
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Racism has disappeared, but all it takes to create a resurgence of racism is people fighting against it. That makes sense.
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On June 10 2016 03:55 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2016 03:52 GGTeMpLaR wrote:On June 10 2016 03:48 Plansix wrote:
Every single black person I have meet or listened to has said racism is still an issue and has been having a resurgence. That the idea that it will die off with the old racist of the pasts was incorrect. That's because if someone on the street gives you a dirty look nowadays they call it racism. And we have come to the difference between me and you. I choose to listen to them and take it on good faith that they are being honest. You can’t be bothered and just want them to put up with it without complaining.
What are you talking about? I've asked you like a dozen times now for a specific example you refuse to give.
How the hell are you willing to 'sit down and talk about it' when all you do is throw out slander.
The difference between me and you is I'm willing to talk to people and effectively see where others are coming from and empathize with them while you are so obsessed with how progressive and open-minded you are, when you're incapable of doing the same.
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On June 10 2016 03:55 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2016 03:52 GGTeMpLaR wrote:On June 10 2016 03:48 Plansix wrote:
Every single black person I have meet or listened to has said racism is still an issue and has been having a resurgence. That the idea that it will die off with the old racist of the pasts was incorrect. That's because if someone on the street gives you a dirty look nowadays they call it racism. Conversely, apparently we can also have some presidential candidates post sweeping, hateful generalizations and actions against groups of people and have some people ignore them and still claim he's not racist or bigoted
Still waiting for an example and not ad hominem.
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On June 10 2016 03:55 Surth wrote:Show nested quote +
I am not personally responsible for acts I did not do. I do not believe in collective moral responsibility and associating collective blame to collectives as it's own ontological object.
But collectives are their own ontological object. In fact, YOU are a collective, as am I! Ask Walt Whitman!
This is dodging the point :p
Collectives exist. Collectives capable of moral responsibility? That's a matter of contentious debate in philosophy today. I don't think they are.
You are an individual capable of moral responsibility.
The collection of your atoms is not because atoms are incapable of moral responsibility.
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On June 10 2016 03:55 Slaughter wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2016 03:52 GGTeMpLaR wrote:On June 10 2016 03:48 Plansix wrote:
Every single black person I have meet or listened to has said racism is still an issue and has been having a resurgence. That the idea that it will die off with the old racist of the pasts was incorrect. That's because if someone on the street gives you a dirty look nowadays they call it racism. Have you ever actually lived by a significant number of black people? Or do you just look at media headlines and think that is the norm?
The city I grew up in was 30% black. You decide if that's significant or not.
People just think everything is racist and sexist these days it's stupid.
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On June 10 2016 04:05 GGTeMpLaR wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2016 03:51 GreenHorizons wrote:On June 10 2016 03:49 GGTeMpLaR wrote:On June 10 2016 03:45 GreenHorizons wrote:On June 10 2016 03:39 GGTeMpLaR wrote:On June 10 2016 03:38 GreenHorizons wrote:Yeah, the entire western world should be held accountable because of the 5% of rich white people, who have been dead for more than a hundred years, owned black slaves because it was cheaper labor. I totally forgot that segregation never happened, or the KKK, or the Aryan brotherhood, or the countless police up to and including many chiefs, and so on. I forgot racism ended after slavery. My bad, racism ends when white people say it did #facts. Do you want me to apologize for what some white people did 200 years ago because I'm white? Would that make you feel better? Your entire worldview leads to nothing but hatred towards 'white people', and hypocritically, the propagation of more racism and segregation. I advise you pick up a history book and realize slavery was only a few centuries of the many that white people didn't treat people of different colors as fully human. There are plenty of people who are still alive and personally remember when the blatant dehumanization of black people was an everyday experience. Pretending like it was all 200 years ago is some grade school level engagement on the topic. Fair enough, it was still widespread even 50 years ago perhaps in the deep south. I knew my grandparents and they were not a part of it. I am not personally responsible for acts I did not do. I do not believe in collective moral responsibility and associating collective blame to collectives as it's own ontological object. If you want to blame someone go defile some graves of old white people see if I care. Stop acting like 'black people' and 'white people' are unique ontological entities. They are nothing more than the net collective of associated individuals. What have you done to reach out to racist white people to get them to stop being racist? I've never come across a dangerous racist white person in my entire life and I lived in a very populated diverse city and then joined the military and have met hundreds of people and never come across it. People don't give a shit what color your skin is in my experience. I've seen more racist white villains in movies and t.v. shows than in reality. It's fucking dumb.
it should be noted; the few remaining racists tend not to live in such areas. Not otherwise getting involved in the conversation; just noting that specific point.
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On June 10 2016 03:59 SK.Testie wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2016 03:48 Plansix wrote:
Every single black person I have meet or listened to has said racism is still an issue and has been having a resurgence. That the idea that it will die off with the old racist of the pasts was incorrect. I would seriously argue that this is a direct reaction to progressives. Take for instance: #oscarssowhite (we'll ignore worse hashtags like #killwhitey #beatwhiteynight #theknockoutgame #worldstar) The # of oscar winners is very similar to the proportion of their population. Considering black people are 13% of the population, there will be entire years without a single black person nominated for best actor or actress. Meanwhile, a black man was hosting the show. Progressives chose their battles really poorly. They're doing video games and movies and all that. I'm not sure what the leading roles of movies are, I don't count. Is it 63% - 13% - 17% - x% for the rest of the minorities? Is there a website that counts leading roles from 2000 onward or % of casts? And furthermore on the oscars, we should all just blame Daniel Day Lewis for being a greedy oscar cunt. =] (While I'm on the topic of Oscars: I'd like to just mention that I did the most amazing Oscar call by calling Forest Whittaker taking the Oscar just from seeing 10 seconds of performance in a commercial. So I win at Oscar judging.)
The Academy of Motion Pictures agreed with the process and admitted they had a problem with diversity. They admitted that the majority of the majority of the members of the Academy of Motion Pictures are white men over the age of 55 and that was causing a limited set of films to be nominated. They said they want to increase diversity in the Academy to solve the problem and hoped to nominate a wider number of films in future years.
Also, Academy Awards are not based on merit in any way. They are purely political and handed out by the industry to people within the industry. If no minority actors are nominated several years in a row, it’s not because there were no worthy performances.
So the example you just provided sort of doesn’t work since the Academy agreed they had a problem.
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On June 10 2016 04:09 GGTeMpLaR wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2016 03:55 Surth wrote:
I am not personally responsible for acts I did not do. I do not believe in collective moral responsibility and associating collective blame to collectives as it's own ontological object.
But collectives are their own ontological object. In fact, YOU are a collective, as am I! Ask Walt Whitman! This is dodging the point :p Collectives exist. Collectives capable of moral responsibility? That's a matter of contentious debate in philosophy today. I don't think they are. You are an individual capable of moral responsibility. The collection of your atoms is not because atoms are incapable of moral responsibility.
i am capable of moral responsibility? I am not so sure that I am. I am absolutely serious too :o
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