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Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15664 Posts
June 05 2016 14:53 GMT
#79001
On June 05 2016 23:30 kwizach wrote:
In other news, Hillary has won the Virgin Islands caucus (about 87% to Sanders' 12%) and netted at least five additional pledged delegates from the contest (6-1). Source.


It's refreshing to see something relevant to American politics in this thread.
Surth
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Germany456 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-06-05 15:08:38
June 05 2016 15:05 GMT
#79002
On June 05 2016 23:53 Mohdoo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 05 2016 23:30 kwizach wrote:
In other news, Hillary has won the Virgin Islands caucus (about 87% to Sanders' 12%) and netted at least five additional pledged delegates from the contest (6-1). Source.


It's refreshing to see something relevant to American politics in this thread.

You're right, 5 delegates for a primary that is more or less over anyway are way more important than systemic racism. LOL. And systemic racism is at least something you can have a debate about (you know, that thing forums are for), unlike "here are the latest results / polls." Politics are not a fucking horserace, leave that shit to Nate Silver and his ilk. Every time an actual debate in this thread ensues (no matter how retarded, as this particular one which included netties coming and so helpfully noticing that Chicago and Detroit are probably violent spaces because of democrats), there is someone like you who wants to get back to "real politics", by which that person means "what are the latest polls?" It's ridiculous.

I can scarcely imagine a topic that is more specifically "American politics" than the continued problem of racism against african-americans. That is basically the foundation of America, after all. But you want to hear more about the Virgin Islands' democratic caucus. Okay.

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Stratos_speAr
Profile Joined May 2009
United States6959 Posts
June 05 2016 15:16 GMT
#79003
On June 05 2016 22:49 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:
What do Chicago and Detroit have in common?
Chicago - Continually Democrat controlled since the 1920s
Detroit - Continually Democrat controlled since the 1960s


The poorest, most uneducated, and generally worst places to live, quality-of-life-wise, are almost all in the deep south, which is very conservative, Christian, and overwhelmingly republican.
A sound mind in a sound body, is a short, but full description of a happy state in this World: he that has these two, has little more to wish for; and he that wants either of them, will be little the better for anything else.
Sermokala
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States13892 Posts
June 05 2016 15:44 GMT
#79004
On June 06 2016 00:05 Surth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 05 2016 23:53 Mohdoo wrote:
On June 05 2016 23:30 kwizach wrote:
In other news, Hillary has won the Virgin Islands caucus (about 87% to Sanders' 12%) and netted at least five additional pledged delegates from the contest (6-1). Source.


It's refreshing to see something relevant to American politics in this thread.

You're right, 5 delegates for a primary that is more or less over anyway are way more important than systemic racism. LOL. And systemic racism is at least something you can have a debate about (you know, that thing forums are for), unlike "here are the latest results / polls." Politics are not a fucking horserace, leave that shit to Nate Silver and his ilk. Every time an actual debate in this thread ensues (no matter how retarded, as this particular one which included netties coming and so helpfully noticing that Chicago and Detroit are probably violent spaces because of democrats), there is someone like you who wants to get back to "real politics", by which that person means "what are the latest polls?" It's ridiculous.

I can scarcely imagine a topic that is more specifically "American politics" than the continued problem of racism against african-americans. That is basically the foundation of America, after all. But you want to hear more about the Virgin Islands' democratic caucus. Okay.


This is a problem I have with people always trying to talk about racism against black people on either side. It's not the be all end all issue and doesn't solve or advance anything. Black people account for 13 percent of the country. It's not that big of a part of our country to have such high billing in politics.
A wise man will say that he knows nothing. We're gona party like its 2752 Hail Dark Brandon
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands21647 Posts
June 05 2016 15:45 GMT
#79005
On June 06 2016 00:44 Sermokala wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 06 2016 00:05 Surth wrote:
On June 05 2016 23:53 Mohdoo wrote:
On June 05 2016 23:30 kwizach wrote:
In other news, Hillary has won the Virgin Islands caucus (about 87% to Sanders' 12%) and netted at least five additional pledged delegates from the contest (6-1). Source.


It's refreshing to see something relevant to American politics in this thread.

You're right, 5 delegates for a primary that is more or less over anyway are way more important than systemic racism. LOL. And systemic racism is at least something you can have a debate about (you know, that thing forums are for), unlike "here are the latest results / polls." Politics are not a fucking horserace, leave that shit to Nate Silver and his ilk. Every time an actual debate in this thread ensues (no matter how retarded, as this particular one which included netties coming and so helpfully noticing that Chicago and Detroit are probably violent spaces because of democrats), there is someone like you who wants to get back to "real politics", by which that person means "what are the latest polls?" It's ridiculous.

I can scarcely imagine a topic that is more specifically "American politics" than the continued problem of racism against african-americans. That is basically the foundation of America, after all. But you want to hear more about the Virgin Islands' democratic caucus. Okay.


This is a problem I have with people always trying to talk about racism against black people on either side. It's not the be all end all issue and doesn't solve or advance anything. Black people account for 13 percent of the country. It's not that big of a part of our country to have such high billing in politics.

"we should stop worrying about racism because only 13% of the country suffers from it"

Wow...
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
biology]major
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States2253 Posts
June 05 2016 15:50 GMT
#79006
systemic racism? what's holding black people back is their very own culture. No one seems to talk about it though. A culture that values being "hard" and banging as many "bitches" as possible over getting an education and being a productive member of society. I think this is one area where Obama could have made a shift in culture of minorities by emphasizing the value of education, hard work and to escape difficult environments. Now am I saying all black believe these things? No. However it's pretty hard to escape that culture when most role models they have esp from music industry are shoving these values down their throat. Its a detrimental culture, and they will never advance to the level of the rest of the population without abandoning parts of it.
Question.?
Nyxisto
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany6287 Posts
June 05 2016 16:05 GMT
#79007
On June 06 2016 00:44 Sermokala wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 06 2016 00:05 Surth wrote:
On June 05 2016 23:53 Mohdoo wrote:
On June 05 2016 23:30 kwizach wrote:
In other news, Hillary has won the Virgin Islands caucus (about 87% to Sanders' 12%) and netted at least five additional pledged delegates from the contest (6-1). Source.


It's refreshing to see something relevant to American politics in this thread.

You're right, 5 delegates for a primary that is more or less over anyway are way more important than systemic racism. LOL. And systemic racism is at least something you can have a debate about (you know, that thing forums are for), unlike "here are the latest results / polls." Politics are not a fucking horserace, leave that shit to Nate Silver and his ilk. Every time an actual debate in this thread ensues (no matter how retarded, as this particular one which included netties coming and so helpfully noticing that Chicago and Detroit are probably violent spaces because of democrats), there is someone like you who wants to get back to "real politics", by which that person means "what are the latest polls?" It's ridiculous.

I can scarcely imagine a topic that is more specifically "American politics" than the continued problem of racism against african-americans. That is basically the foundation of America, after all. But you want to hear more about the Virgin Islands' democratic caucus. Okay.


This is a problem I have with people always trying to talk about racism against black people on either side. It's not the be all end all issue and doesn't solve or advance anything. Black people account for 13 percent of the country. It's not that big of a part of our country to have such high billing in politics.


"Who cares about minorities, there's so few of 'em anyway right?"
Surth
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Germany456 Posts
June 05 2016 16:06 GMT
#79008
I just hope to god this biology major isn't actually majoring in biology.

Then again, I guess most people hope i'm not actually a norse giant wielding a flaming sword either.
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farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18825 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-06-05 16:11:50
June 05 2016 16:09 GMT
#79009
"Culture" is not a uniform, singular object that be can be critiqued without enormous clarification (where does it begin? end? what are the boundaries of a particular culture?), so going down the "black culture is the problem" road requires a lot of analysis that most are simply unwilling to do. Inevitably, discussions of "black culture" that ignore the influences of other cultures and the degree to which factors outside the pale of "culture" take part end up as placeholders for de-facto racial assumptions that look an awful lot like racism. That's why "liberals" tend to be get upset when faced with such conclusions.
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
biology]major
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States2253 Posts
June 05 2016 16:20 GMT
#79010
On June 06 2016 01:09 farvacola wrote:
"Culture" is not a uniform, singular object that be can be critiqued without enormous clarification (where does it begin? end? what are the boundaries of a particular culture?), so going down the "black culture is the problem" road requires a lot of analysis that most are simply unwilling to do. Inevitably, discussions of "black culture" that ignore the influences of other cultures and the degree to which factors outside the pale of "culture" take part end up as placeholders for de-facto racial assumptions that look an awful lot like racism. That's why "liberals" tend to be get upset when faced with such conclusions.


agreed, hard to debate about culture really, just my observations. Doesn't matter if you are black, brown, yellow, white, or pink but we never address cultural norms out of fear of appearing intolerant, but imo that is the root of the problem.
Question.?
Sermokala
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States13892 Posts
June 05 2016 16:35 GMT
#79011
On June 06 2016 00:45 Gorsameth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 06 2016 00:44 Sermokala wrote:
On June 06 2016 00:05 Surth wrote:
On June 05 2016 23:53 Mohdoo wrote:
On June 05 2016 23:30 kwizach wrote:
In other news, Hillary has won the Virgin Islands caucus (about 87% to Sanders' 12%) and netted at least five additional pledged delegates from the contest (6-1). Source.


It's refreshing to see something relevant to American politics in this thread.

You're right, 5 delegates for a primary that is more or less over anyway are way more important than systemic racism. LOL. And systemic racism is at least something you can have a debate about (you know, that thing forums are for), unlike "here are the latest results / polls." Politics are not a fucking horserace, leave that shit to Nate Silver and his ilk. Every time an actual debate in this thread ensues (no matter how retarded, as this particular one which included netties coming and so helpfully noticing that Chicago and Detroit are probably violent spaces because of democrats), there is someone like you who wants to get back to "real politics", by which that person means "what are the latest polls?" It's ridiculous.

I can scarcely imagine a topic that is more specifically "American politics" than the continued problem of racism against african-americans. That is basically the foundation of America, after all. But you want to hear more about the Virgin Islands' democratic caucus. Okay.


This is a problem I have with people always trying to talk about racism against black people on either side. It's not the be all end all issue and doesn't solve or advance anything. Black people account for 13 percent of the country. It's not that big of a part of our country to have such high billing in politics.

"we should stop worrying about racism because only 13% of the country suffers from it"

Wow...

I'm not saying stop talking about racism but just not have it be the most important thing all the time. Heck racism against native americans and hispanics don't get a fraction of the attention that african american racism gets.
A wise man will say that he knows nothing. We're gona party like its 2752 Hail Dark Brandon
zlefin
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
United States7689 Posts
June 05 2016 16:35 GMT
#79012
On June 06 2016 00:50 biology]major wrote:
systemic racism? what's holding black people back is their very own culture. No one seems to talk about it though. A culture that values being "hard" and banging as many "bitches" as possible over getting an education and being a productive member of society. I think this is one area where Obama could have made a shift in culture of minorities by emphasizing the value of education, hard work and to escape difficult environments. Now am I saying all black believe these things? No. However it's pretty hard to escape that culture when most role models they have esp from music industry are shoving these values down their throat. Its a detrimental culture, and they will never advance to the level of the rest of the population without abandoning parts of it.

people tlak about it all the time; you just seem unaware of that fact, and /or choose to believe a foolish narrative that nobody ever noticed such obvious issues.
Great read: http://shorensteincenter.org/news-coverage-2016-general-election/ great book on democracy: http://press.princeton.edu/titles/10671.html zlefin is grumpier due to long term illness. Ignoring some users.
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
June 05 2016 16:51 GMT
#79013
So are we willing to say he is a strongman type of leader yet or aren't we:

Presumptive Republican nominee Donald Trump has said “it’s possible” that Muslim judges, in addition to Hispanic jurists, would be biased against him and thus ineligible to oversee any case involving him.

Democrats and Republicans alike have rebuked Trump for his insistence that a federal judge, an American citizen since his birth to Mexican immigrants in Indiana, is biased because of the businessman’s plan to build a wall on the southern border.

Judge Gonzalo Curiel is sitting in one of three cases brought against Trump University, a for-profit institution that has been accused of defrauding students of tens of thousands of dollars and called “a total lie” and “fraudulent scheme” by former employees. Last week, Curiel ordered the release of testimony and documents related to the suit, prompting Trump’s accusation of bias.

Trump expanded this argument in an interview with CBS’s Face the Nation that was broadcast on Sunday. Because of his proposal to “temporarily” ban Muslims from entering the US, he said, it “would be possible, absolutely” that he would consider a Muslim judge inappropriate in court.

“He’s a member of a club or society very strongly from Mexico, which is fine,” Trump said of Curiel. “But I say he’s got bias. I’m going to build a wall. I’m going to build a wall.”

But although the Republican candidate has complained “this judge is treating me very unfairly” and claims to have heard from “numerous lawyers” about his argument, his lawyers have not asked the Curiel to recuse himself.

Race, ethnicity and religion are not legal grounds for a recusal, courts have ruled for decades, and the complaint runs afoul of basic US civil and religious rights.


Source
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
CorsairHero
Profile Joined December 2008
Canada9491 Posts
June 05 2016 17:37 GMT
#79014
On June 06 2016 01:35 Sermokala wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 06 2016 00:45 Gorsameth wrote:
On June 06 2016 00:44 Sermokala wrote:
On June 06 2016 00:05 Surth wrote:
On June 05 2016 23:53 Mohdoo wrote:
On June 05 2016 23:30 kwizach wrote:
In other news, Hillary has won the Virgin Islands caucus (about 87% to Sanders' 12%) and netted at least five additional pledged delegates from the contest (6-1). Source.


It's refreshing to see something relevant to American politics in this thread.

You're right, 5 delegates for a primary that is more or less over anyway are way more important than systemic racism. LOL. And systemic racism is at least something you can have a debate about (you know, that thing forums are for), unlike "here are the latest results / polls." Politics are not a fucking horserace, leave that shit to Nate Silver and his ilk. Every time an actual debate in this thread ensues (no matter how retarded, as this particular one which included netties coming and so helpfully noticing that Chicago and Detroit are probably violent spaces because of democrats), there is someone like you who wants to get back to "real politics", by which that person means "what are the latest polls?" It's ridiculous.

I can scarcely imagine a topic that is more specifically "American politics" than the continued problem of racism against african-americans. That is basically the foundation of America, after all. But you want to hear more about the Virgin Islands' democratic caucus. Okay.


This is a problem I have with people always trying to talk about racism against black people on either side. It's not the be all end all issue and doesn't solve or advance anything. Black people account for 13 percent of the country. It's not that big of a part of our country to have such high billing in politics.

"we should stop worrying about racism because only 13% of the country suffers from it"

Wow...

I'm not saying stop talking about racism but just not have it be the most important thing all the time. Heck racism against native americans and hispanics don't get a fraction of the attention that african american racism gets.

Whats the biggest example of racism against blacks in the last year or two? Racist cops?
© Current year.
PassiveAce
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States18076 Posts
June 05 2016 17:40 GMT
#79015
Emanuel Church
Call me Marge Simpson cuz I love you homie
puerk
Profile Joined February 2015
Germany855 Posts
June 05 2016 17:47 GMT
#79016
On June 06 2016 00:50 biology]major wrote:
systemic racism? what's holding black people back is their very own culture. No one seems to talk about it though. A culture that values being "hard" and banging as many "bitches" as possible over getting an education and being a productive member of society. I think this is one area where Obama could have made a shift in culture of minorities by emphasizing the value of education, hard work and to escape difficult environments. Now am I saying all black believe these things? No. However it's pretty hard to escape that culture when most role models they have esp from music industry are shoving these values down their throat. Its a detrimental culture, and they will never advance to the level of the rest of the population without abandoning parts of it.


You can't expect someone to join a system that he sees failing in his community all the time. You don't work hard, educate yourself if you see that kids that you know, kids that look like you, kids that could be you get treated like shit by police. It tells you: you do not belong, the system will never work for you, build your own.

Personal responsibility is the cowards answer to systemic and aggregate problems that they will never encounter.

It is easy to be the better person when you have role models and the system obviously works for the likes of you.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-06-05 17:49:58
June 05 2016 17:48 GMT
#79017
On June 06 2016 02:37 CorsairHero wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 06 2016 01:35 Sermokala wrote:
On June 06 2016 00:45 Gorsameth wrote:
On June 06 2016 00:44 Sermokala wrote:
On June 06 2016 00:05 Surth wrote:
On June 05 2016 23:53 Mohdoo wrote:
On June 05 2016 23:30 kwizach wrote:
In other news, Hillary has won the Virgin Islands caucus (about 87% to Sanders' 12%) and netted at least five additional pledged delegates from the contest (6-1). Source.


It's refreshing to see something relevant to American politics in this thread.

You're right, 5 delegates for a primary that is more or less over anyway are way more important than systemic racism. LOL. And systemic racism is at least something you can have a debate about (you know, that thing forums are for), unlike "here are the latest results / polls." Politics are not a fucking horserace, leave that shit to Nate Silver and his ilk. Every time an actual debate in this thread ensues (no matter how retarded, as this particular one which included netties coming and so helpfully noticing that Chicago and Detroit are probably violent spaces because of democrats), there is someone like you who wants to get back to "real politics", by which that person means "what are the latest polls?" It's ridiculous.

I can scarcely imagine a topic that is more specifically "American politics" than the continued problem of racism against african-americans. That is basically the foundation of America, after all. But you want to hear more about the Virgin Islands' democratic caucus. Okay.


This is a problem I have with people always trying to talk about racism against black people on either side. It's not the be all end all issue and doesn't solve or advance anything. Black people account for 13 percent of the country. It's not that big of a part of our country to have such high billing in politics.

"we should stop worrying about racism because only 13% of the country suffers from it"

Wow...

I'm not saying stop talking about racism but just not have it be the most important thing all the time. Heck racism against native americans and hispanics don't get a fraction of the attention that african american racism gets.

Whats the biggest example of racism against blacks in the last year or two? Racist cops?

The department of justice finding deep systemic racism in Ferguson judicial and police system, removing a judge and calling into question numerous convictions.
But the thing about racism is that its 1000 smaller things that pile on each other. The local chat app, Yik Yap, had a problem with racist threats and harassment last year surrounding universities. Which doesn't seem like a big deal, expect that the app is location based. So all the racist threats and messages were coming from the university. There was nothing abstract about it.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-intersect/wp/2015/11/11/what-is-yik-yak-the-app-that-fielded-racist-threats-at-university-of-missouri/

And even that isn't a huge deal, unless you are a black student at the school who suddenly had to deal with the fact the school has a bunch of loud, angry racist going to it.

But if you are looking for some massive smoking gun with indisputable evidence that racism is a real problem for many parties of the country, it isn't there.

On June 06 2016 02:40 PassiveAce wrote:
Emanuel Church


That was huge, though the common refrain around it is that it was on crazy kid. It doesn't touch on the racist that are trying to inspire other kids to do the same thing.
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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
June 05 2016 17:56 GMT
#79018
On the morning of May 29, 2014, an overcast Thursday in Washington, DC, the general counsel of the Office of the Director of National Intelligence (ODNI), Robert Litt, wrote an email to high-level officials at the National Security Agency and the White House.

The topic: what to do about Edward Snowden.

Snowden's leaks had first come to light the previous June, when the Guardian's Glenn Greenwald and the Washington Post's Barton Gellman published stories based on highly classified documents provided to them by the former NSA contractor. Now Snowden, who had been demonized by the NSA and the Obama administration for the past year, was publicly claiming something that set off alarm bells at the agency: Before he leaked the documents, Snowden said, he had repeatedly attempted to raise his concerns inside the NSA about its surveillance of US citizens — and the agency had done nothing.

Some on the email thread, such as Rajesh De, the NSA's general counsel, advocated for the public release of a Snowden email from April 2013 in which the former NSA contractor asked questions about the "interpretation of legal authorities" related to the agency's surveillance programs. It was the only evidence the agency found that even came close to verifying Snowden's assertions, and De believed it was weak enough to call Snowden's credibility into question and put the NSA in the clear.

Litt disagreed. "I'm not sure that releasing the email will necessarily prove him a liar," Litt wrote to Caitlin Hayden, then the White House National Security Council spokesperson, along with De and other officials. "It is, I could argue, technically true that [Snowden's] email... 'rais[ed] concerns about the NSA's interpretation of its legal authorities.' As I recall, the email essentially questions a document that Snowden interpreted as claiming that Executive Orders were on a par with statutes. While that is surely not raising the kind of questions that Snowden is trying to suggest he raised, neither does it seem to me that that email is a home run refutation."

Within two hours, however, Litt reversed his position, and later that day, the email was released, accompanied by comment from NSA spokesperson Marci Green Miller: "The email did not raise allegations or concerns about wrongdoing or abuse."

Five days later, another email was sent — this one addressed to NSA director Mike Rogers and copied to 31 other people and one listserv. In it, a senior NSA official apologized to Rogers for not providing him and others with all the details about Snowden's communications with NSA officials regarding his concerns over surveillance.

The NSA, it seemed, had not told the public the whole story about Snowden's contacts with oversight authorities before he became the most celebrated and vilified whistleblower in US history.

Hundreds of internal NSA documents, declassified and released to VICE News in response to our long-running Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) lawsuit, reveal now for the first time that not only was the truth about the "single email" more complex and nuanced than the NSA disclosed to the public, but that Snowden had a face-to-face interaction with one of the people involved in responding to that email. The documents, made up of emails, talking points, and various records — many of them heavily redacted — contain insight into the NSA's interaction with the media, new details about Snowden's work, and an extraordinary behind-the-scenes look at the efforts by the NSA, the White House, and US Senator Dianne Feinstein to discredit Snowden.

The trove of more than 800 pages [pdf at the end of this story], along with several interviews conducted by VICE News, offer unprecedented insight into the NSA during this time of crisis within the agency. And they call into question aspects of the US government's long-running narrative about Snowden's time at the NSA.


Source
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WhiteDog
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France8650 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-06-05 18:13:20
June 05 2016 17:58 GMT
#79019
On June 06 2016 01:05 Nyxisto wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 06 2016 00:44 Sermokala wrote:
On June 06 2016 00:05 Surth wrote:
On June 05 2016 23:53 Mohdoo wrote:
On June 05 2016 23:30 kwizach wrote:
In other news, Hillary has won the Virgin Islands caucus (about 87% to Sanders' 12%) and netted at least five additional pledged delegates from the contest (6-1). Source.


It's refreshing to see something relevant to American politics in this thread.

You're right, 5 delegates for a primary that is more or less over anyway are way more important than systemic racism. LOL. And systemic racism is at least something you can have a debate about (you know, that thing forums are for), unlike "here are the latest results / polls." Politics are not a fucking horserace, leave that shit to Nate Silver and his ilk. Every time an actual debate in this thread ensues (no matter how retarded, as this particular one which included netties coming and so helpfully noticing that Chicago and Detroit are probably violent spaces because of democrats), there is someone like you who wants to get back to "real politics", by which that person means "what are the latest polls?" It's ridiculous.

I can scarcely imagine a topic that is more specifically "American politics" than the continued problem of racism against african-americans. That is basically the foundation of America, after all. But you want to hear more about the Virgin Islands' democratic caucus. Okay.


This is a problem I have with people always trying to talk about racism against black people on either side. It's not the be all end all issue and doesn't solve or advance anything. Black people account for 13 percent of the country. It's not that big of a part of our country to have such high billing in politics.


"Who cares about minorities, there's so few of 'em anyway right?"

Sermokala is entirely right : if the 13 % black suffer from racism, it's a secondary problem. The real problem in the US is the poverty / inequality ; and mind you, poverty touch black too. Fighting racism and discrimination has become, for many, a way to justify, legitimize and manage inequalities and poverty, which is why even Harvard has diversity program and fight against "racism" and "discrimination".

On June 06 2016 01:09 farvacola wrote:
"Culture" is not a uniform, singular object that be can be critiqued without enormous clarification (where does it begin? end? what are the boundaries of a particular culture?), so going down the "black culture is the problem" road requires a lot of analysis that most are simply unwilling to do. Inevitably, discussions of "black culture" that ignore the influences of other cultures and the degree to which factors outside the pale of "culture" take part end up as placeholders for de-facto racial assumptions that look an awful lot like racism. That's why "liberals" tend to be get upset when faced with such conclusions.

There is a "liberal" or "leftist" way to deal with cultural arguments, and that is to simply remember people that the culture of a group also depend on the social situation of said group. The "gang" culture and all the other type of culture that one can negatively link to the "black community" is not something that appeared and is passed on, generation after generation, outside of any social context, but is actually a response to a specific situation. Saying that it's the "culture" of black communities that create the problem is a very abstract and poor way to understand how any behavior or fashion that is considered to be part of the "black culture" is, mostly, a reaction to a position within the social structure.
There is a magnificient book about the "culture" of the puerto ricans immigrants in harlem that perfectly respond to those cultural arguments, called In Search of Respect: Selling Crack in El Barrio wrote by Philippe Bourgeois.
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I wish my last name was Bourgeois. Oh well, at least i will always be bourgeoisie in spirit.

Also, WhiteDog, are you a crypto-marxist? Or more of a not-crypto-Marxist?
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