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On June 06 2016 04:47 ticklishmusic wrote: The right-wing posters who have come around to supporting Donald seem to be doing it from the lens that he's merely a backlash to PC culture, etc. as opposed to being an actual racist as most of the more liberal (aka the majority) of posters- I'm curious to see exactly how they make that distinction. Anyone want to chime in?
trump is the only major politician to tell PC authoritarians to screw off
there are plenty of things called racist that simply are not and trump is again the only major politician in the US to say so
but he's a buffoon so he says things that are definitely racist as well
this "mexican" judge, if trump weren't a buffoon he'd point out this judge's membership in a La Raza lawyers group. cesar chavez was right about la raza, it's an organization where racist attitudes are tolerated and that's all trump would have to say but he can't because he has to make it personal
all these anti-trump riots, it's sad. no one is responsible for their own behavior when putting responsibility on someone else lets you say you have the moral high ground. it infantilizes people, portrays them as mindless reactionaries in the basest sense, just a bunch of puppets.
terrorists aren't responsible for slaughtering people, the West made them do it
white racists weren't responsible for lynchings when lynchings were a thing, blacks made them do it
blacks aren't responsible for destroying their own neighborhoods via rioting and not cooperating with the police when yet another young black man is shot and killed by other young black men, white racism makes them do it
anti-trump racists who want to balkanize the US southwest and eventually secede back to mexico or whatever aren't responsible for surrounding and beating on cars and people, trump made them do it
nothing will ever be resolved in a tolerant and democratic manner as long as nobody is responsible except the people we already politically opposed before incident X happened
On June 06 2016 04:16 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: I love how Trump is so racist, that he's even racist against Americans. This judge is an American- from Indiana- and Trump think he's unfit because his heritage is technically from Mexico. Is Trump fooling anyone with dodges like these and refusing to acknowledge the definition of "racism" that Tapper repeatedly explained? Judges from Indiana can't do their jobs because Trump wants to build a wall to hurt Mexico?
how is that racist? Trump isn't saying this judge is incompetent and cannot do his job because of his heritage (this would indeed be racist). He is saying in this particular case, the unfair rulings he perceives he received can be explained by the fact that the judge has mexican heritage given trump has some highly unpopular positions with mexico. His severe blunder in that interview was calling him mexican once instead of american with a mexican heritage. Gotta love that liberal insult chain, just throw out labels
On June 06 2016 04:58 DeepElemBlues wrote: nothing will ever be resolved in a tolerant and democratic manner as long as nobody is responsible except the people we already politically opposed before incident X happened
On June 06 2016 04:16 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: I love how Trump is so racist, that he's even racist against Americans. This judge is an American- from Indiana- and Trump think he's unfit because his heritage is technically from Mexico. Is Trump fooling anyone with dodges like these and refusing to acknowledge the definition of "racism" that Tapper repeatedly explained? Judges from Indiana can't do their jobs because Trump wants to build a wall to hurt Mexico?
how is that racist? Trump isn't saying this judge is incompetent and cannot do his job because of his heritage (this would indeed be racist). He is saying in this particular case, the unfair rulings he perceives he received can be explained by the fact that the judge has mexican heritage given trump has some highly unpopular positions with mexico. His severe blunder in that interview was calling him mexican once instead of american with a mexican heritage. Gotta love that liberal insult chain, just throw out labels
"The judge should recuse himself because I insulted him."
I'd love to see the legal system where this is a valid excuse.
On June 06 2016 04:16 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: I love how Trump is so racist, that he's even racist against Americans. This judge is an American- from Indiana- and Trump think he's unfit because his heritage is technically from Mexico. Is Trump fooling anyone with dodges like these and refusing to acknowledge the definition of "racism" that Tapper repeatedly explained? Judges from Indiana can't do their jobs because Trump wants to build a wall to hurt Mexico?
how is that racist? Trump isn't saying this judge is incompetent and cannot do his job because of his heritage (this would indeed be racist). He is saying in this particular case, the unfair rulings he perceives he received can be explained by the fact that the judge has mexican heritage given trump has some highly unpopular positions with mexico. His severe blunder in that interview was calling him mexican once instead of american with a mexican heritage. Gotta love that liberal insult chain, just throw out labels
"The judge should recuse himself because I insulted him."
I'd love to see the legal system where this is a valid excuse.
he's not trying to win a legal victory he's just whipping up his base to view the whole thing as a politically driven persecution of donaldus maximus
On June 06 2016 04:57 SK.Testie wrote: That judge is part of a Mexican heritage association called "La Raza" which translates to "The Race". He has promoted illegal immigrant scholarships.
It's like if a member of the Aryan Brotherhood were presiding over an Obama scandal. The media would be like, "WOAH. ARYAN BROTHERHOOD?" "don't worry it's just a name that promotes white culture! we have a lot of it and we're quite proud of it!!"
The two are absolutely nothing alike, which you would know if you had bothered to educate yourself on the La Raza organization, which you obviously haven't since you were not interested in actually researching the issue and wanted instead to find excuses to Trump's newest racist statements.
On June 06 2016 04:16 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: I love how Trump is so racist, that he's even racist against Americans. This judge is an American- from Indiana- and Trump think he's unfit because his heritage is technically from Mexico. Is Trump fooling anyone with dodges like these and refusing to acknowledge the definition of "racism" that Tapper repeatedly explained? Judges from Indiana can't do their jobs because Trump wants to build a wall to hurt Mexico?
how is that racist? Trump isn't saying this judge is incompetent and cannot do his job because of his heritage (this would indeed be racist). He is saying in this particular case, the unfair rulings he perceives he received can be explained by the fact that the judge has mexican heritage given trump has some highly unpopular positions with mexico. His severe blunder in that interview was calling him mexican once instead of american with a mexican heritage. Gotta love that liberal insult chain, just throw out labels
"The judge should recuse himself because I insulted him."
I'd love to see the legal system where this is a valid excuse.
he's not trying to win a legal victory he's just whipping up his base to view the whole thing as a politically driven persecution of donaldus maximus
I could see him hoping the judge screws up from the pressure Trump puts him under and does actually provide a reason to replace him.
On June 06 2016 04:16 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: I love how Trump is so racist, that he's even racist against Americans. This judge is an American- from Indiana- and Trump think he's unfit because his heritage is technically from Mexico. Is Trump fooling anyone with dodges like these and refusing to acknowledge the definition of "racism" that Tapper repeatedly explained? Judges from Indiana can't do their jobs because Trump wants to build a wall to hurt Mexico?
how is that racist? Trump isn't saying this judge is incompetent and cannot do his job because of his heritage (this would indeed be racist). He is saying in this particular case, the unfair rulings he perceives he received can be explained by the fact that the judge has mexican heritage given trump has some highly unpopular positions with mexico. His severe blunder in that interview was calling him mexican once instead of american with a mexican heritage. Gotta love that liberal insult chain, just throw out labels
You have just defined racism. That a judge cannot rule on a case due to his racial background. If we extend Trumps line of thinking to all judges, no black judge can ruling on a civil rights case involving blacks. Hispanic judges can't rule on immigration cases any more. But apparently white judges can rule on anything not be afflicted by this bias, or that is what is implied.
The assertion that someone cannot do their job based solely on their heritage is nakedly racist. Don't blame liberals because you didn't learn the definition correctly.
On June 06 2016 04:16 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: I love how Trump is so racist, that he's even racist against Americans. This judge is an American- from Indiana- and Trump think he's unfit because his heritage is technically from Mexico. Is Trump fooling anyone with dodges like these and refusing to acknowledge the definition of "racism" that Tapper repeatedly explained? Judges from Indiana can't do their jobs because Trump wants to build a wall to hurt Mexico?
how is that racist? Trump isn't saying this judge is incompetent and cannot do his job because of his heritage (this would indeed be racist). He is saying in this particular case, the unfair rulings he perceives he received can be explained by the fact that the judge has mexican heritage given trump has some highly unpopular positions with mexico. His severe blunder in that interview was calling him mexican once instead of american with a mexican heritage. Gotta love that liberal insult chain, just throw out labels
"The judge should recuse himself because I insulted him."
I'd love to see the legal system where this is a valid excuse.
he's not trying to win a legal victory he's just whipping up his base to view the whole thing as a politically driven persecution of donaldus maximus
I could see him hoping the judge screws up from the pressure Trump puts him under and does actually provide a reason to replace him.
If you read up on the judges history, the chances of him being scared of Trump are literally zero. He was a DA prior to being a judge and worked on drug trafficking cases. Some very scary people did not like him during that time.
On June 06 2016 04:57 SK.Testie wrote: That judge is part of a Mexican heritage association called "La Raza" which translates to "The Race". He has promoted illegal immigrant scholarships.
It's like if a member of the Aryan Brotherhood were presiding over an Obama scandal. The media would be like, "WOAH. ARYAN BROTHERHOOD?" "don't worry it's just a name that promotes white culture! we have a lot of it and we're quite proud of it!!"
uhh, that's a terrible comparison, considering what the aryan brotherhood is; and making that comparison at all is in very poor form. Can you not see why that's such a terrible comparison?
OMG it's DEB! Hi DEB, I was wondering when you'd pop in to defend Trump
To those who think Trump has merit to his critique of the the federal judge, does the fact that his lawyers haven't filed a motion for recusal mean anything to you?
I’ve decided to come off the sidelines and endorse a candidate for President of the United States.
I’ll start by reminding readers that my politics don’t align with any of the candidates. My interest in the race has been limited to Trump’s extraordinary persuasion skills. But lately Hillary Clinton has moved into the persuasion game – and away from boring facts and policies – with great success. Let’s talk about that.
This past week we saw Clinton pair the idea of President Trump with nuclear disaster, racism, Hitler, the Holocaust, and whatever else makes you tremble in fear.
That is good persuasion if you can pull it off because fear is a strong motivator. It is also a sharp pivot from Clinton’s prior approach of talking about her mastery of policy details, her experience, and her gender. Trump took her so-called “woman card” and turned it into a liability. So Clinton wisely pivoted. Her new scare tactics are solid-gold persuasion. I wouldn’t be surprised if you see Clinton’s numbers versus Trump improve in June, at least temporarily, until Trump finds a counter-move.
The only downside I can see to the new approach is that it is likely to trigger a race war in the United States. And I would be a top-ten assassination target in that scenario because once you define Trump as Hitler, you also give citizens moral permission to kill him. And obviously it would be okay to kill anyone who actively supports a genocidal dictator, including anyone who wrote about his persuasion skills in positive terms. (I’m called an “apologist” on Twitter, or sometimes just Joseph Goebbels).
If Clinton successfully pairs Trump with Hitler in your mind – as she is doing – and loses anyway, about a quarter of the country will think it is morally justified to assassinate their own leader. I too would feel that way if an actual Hitler came to power in this country. I would join the resistance and try to take out the Hitler-like leader. You should do the same. No one wants an actual President Hitler.
So I’ve decided to endorse Hillary Clinton for President, for my personal safety. Trump supporters don’t have any bad feelings about patriotic Americans such as myself, so I’ll be safe from that crowd. But Clinton supporters have convinced me – and here I am being 100% serious – that my safety is at risk if I am seen as supportive of Trump. So I’m taking the safe way out and endorsing Hillary Clinton for president.
As I have often said, I have no psychic powers and I don’t know which candidate would be the best president. But I do know which outcome is most likely to get me killed by my fellow citizens. So for safety reason, I’m on team Clinton.
My prediction remains that Trump will win in a landslide based on his superior persuasion skills. But don’t blame me for anything President Trump does in office because I endorse Clinton.
On June 06 2016 04:57 SK.Testie wrote: That judge is part of a Mexican heritage association called "La Raza" which translates to "The Race". He has promoted illegal immigrant scholarships.
It's like if a member of the Aryan Brotherhood were presiding over an Obama scandal. The media would be like, "WOAH. ARYAN BROTHERHOOD?" "don't worry it's just a name that promotes white culture! we have a lot of it and we're quite proud of it!!"
Damn, I had no idea! Quick, somebody tell Trump's lawyers so they can fire up the motions! Oh wait, they still won't do it? Why? Oh, they don't want to be legal pariahs? Darn. I thought we had him!
Let's just ignore the fact that Judge Curiel has been on the front lines fighting the Mexican Cartels, to the point where he needed security. He has personally worked with Mexican authorities to remove dangerous illegal immigrants from our country.
Trumps position here is untenable, so I'm confused as to why people are still defending him on these forums. Even Newt Gingrich has blasted Trump for this position, and that guy is at or near the top of Trumps VP list!
I’ve decided to come off the sidelines and endorse a candidate for President of the United States.
I’ll start by reminding readers that my politics don’t align with any of the candidates. My interest in the race has been limited to Trump’s extraordinary persuasion skills. But lately Hillary Clinton has moved into the persuasion game – and away from boring facts and policies – with great success. Let’s talk about that.
This past week we saw Clinton pair the idea of President Trump with nuclear disaster, racism, Hitler, the Holocaust, and whatever else makes you tremble in fear.
That is good persuasion if you can pull it off because fear is a strong motivator. It is also a sharp pivot from Clinton’s prior approach of talking about her mastery of policy details, her experience, and her gender. Trump took her so-called “woman card” and turned it into a liability. So Clinton wisely pivoted. Her new scare tactics are solid-gold persuasion. I wouldn’t be surprised if you see Clinton’s numbers versus Trump improve in June, at least temporarily, until Trump finds a counter-move.
The only downside I can see to the new approach is that it is likely to trigger a race war in the United States. And I would be a top-ten assassination target in that scenario because once you define Trump as Hitler, you also give citizens moral permission to kill him. And obviously it would be okay to kill anyone who actively supports a genocidal dictator, including anyone who wrote about his persuasion skills in positive terms. (I’m called an “apologist” on Twitter, or sometimes just Joseph Goebbels).
If Clinton successfully pairs Trump with Hitler in your mind – as she is doing – and loses anyway, about a quarter of the country will think it is morally justified to assassinate their own leader. I too would feel that way if an actual Hitler came to power in this country. I would join the resistance and try to take out the Hitler-like leader. You should do the same. No one wants an actual President Hitler.
So I’ve decided to endorse Hillary Clinton for President, for my personal safety. Trump supporters don’t have any bad feelings about patriotic Americans such as myself, so I’ll be safe from that crowd. But Clinton supporters have convinced me – and here I am being 100% serious – that my safety is at risk if I am seen as supportive of Trump. So I’m taking the safe way out and endorsing Hillary Clinton for president.
As I have often said, I have no psychic powers and I don’t know which candidate would be the best president. But I do know which outcome is most likely to get me killed by my fellow citizens. So for safety reason, I’m on team Clinton.
My prediction remains that Trump will win in a landslide based on his superior persuasion skills. But don’t blame me for anything President Trump does in office because I endorse Clinton.
On June 06 2016 04:57 SK.Testie wrote: That judge is part of a Mexican heritage association called "La Raza" which translates to "The Race". He has promoted illegal immigrant scholarships.
It's like if a member of the Aryan Brotherhood were presiding over an Obama scandal. The media would be like, "WOAH. ARYAN BROTHERHOOD?" "don't worry it's just a name that promotes white culture! we have a lot of it and we're quite proud of it!!"
uhh, that's a terrible comparison, considering what the aryan brotherhood is; and making that comparison at all is in very poor form. Can you not see why that's such a terrible comparison?
No my original position on the first post said this was a genuine fuck up for Trump. And yes I stand by it and think it's a genuine fuck up still. It is indeed indefensible.
On June 06 2016 05:02 biology]major wrote: how is that racist? Trump isn't saying this judge is incompetent and cannot do his job because of his heritage (this would indeed be racist). He is saying in this particular case, the unfair rulings he perceives he received can be explained by the fact that the judge has mexican heritage given trump has some highly unpopular positions with mexico. His severe blunder in that interview was calling him mexican once instead of american with a mexican heritage. Gotta love that liberal insult chain, just throw out labels
I fail to see how a judge's ancestry makes them unable to conduct their legal duties fairly in a legal case. "The judge is biased because his parents were Mexican" wouldn't fly in any court of law for obvious reasons. I assume that you do not believe Trump would be unable to fairly conduct business with Germany because his family immigrated from there, and am baffled as to why you do not hold others to the same standard.
It's telling that Trump did not offer actual evidence that the judge is unfair to the Wall Street Journal during his interview. Aside from talking about the judge's Mexican ancestors, of course.
TLDR: Trump will probably lose minorities in a landslide come November.
On June 06 2016 04:57 SK.Testie wrote: That judge is part of a Mexican heritage association called "La Raza" which translates to "The Race". He has promoted illegal immigrant scholarships.
It's like if a member of the Aryan Brotherhood were presiding over an Obama scandal. The media would be like, "WOAH. ARYAN BROTHERHOOD?" "don't worry it's just a name that promotes white culture! we have a lot of it and we're quite proud of it!!"
uhh, that's a terrible comparison, considering what the aryan brotherhood is; and making that comparison at all is in very poor form. Can you not see why that's such a terrible comparison?
it's a perfectly apt comparison, la raza is a racist organization the same as the aryan brotherhood. the only difference is la raza was taken over by racist attitudes shortly after its founding, the aryan brotherhood was racist from its inception.
On June 06 2016 04:57 SK.Testie wrote: That judge is part of a Mexican heritage association called "La Raza" which translates to "The Race". He has promoted illegal immigrant scholarships.
It's like if a member of the Aryan Brotherhood were presiding over an Obama scandal. The media would be like, "WOAH. ARYAN BROTHERHOOD?" "don't worry it's just a name that promotes white culture! we have a lot of it and we're quite proud of it!!"
uhh, that's a terrible comparison, considering what the aryan brotherhood is; and making that comparison at all is in very poor form. Can you not see why that's such a terrible comparison?
No my original position on the first post said this was a genuine fuck up for Trump. And yes I stand by it and think it's a genuine fuck up still. It is indeed indefensible.
oh, then I'm confused about what the intent of the post I had quoted was.
we can certainly agree on it being a screwup on trump's part.
On June 06 2016 04:57 SK.Testie wrote: That judge is part of a Mexican heritage association called "La Raza" which translates to "The Race". He has promoted illegal immigrant scholarships.
It's like if a member of the Aryan Brotherhood were presiding over an Obama scandal. The media would be like, "WOAH. ARYAN BROTHERHOOD?" "don't worry it's just a name that promotes white culture! we have a lot of it and we're quite proud of it!!"
uhh, that's a terrible comparison, considering what the aryan brotherhood is; and making that comparison at all is in very poor form. Can you not see why that's such a terrible comparison?
it's a perfectly apt comparison, la raza is a racist organization the same as the aryan brotherhood. the only difference is la raza was taken over by racist attitudes shortly after its founding, the aryan brotherhood was racist from its inception.
you sure you're talking about the right la raza group? the one the judge is a part of, and not the other group that also uses the la raza name?
On June 06 2016 04:16 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: I love how Trump is so racist, that he's even racist against Americans. This judge is an American- from Indiana- and Trump think he's unfit because his heritage is technically from Mexico. Is Trump fooling anyone with dodges like these and refusing to acknowledge the definition of "racism" that Tapper repeatedly explained? Judges from Indiana can't do their jobs because Trump wants to build a wall to hurt Mexico?
On June 06 2016 04:57 SK.Testie wrote: That judge is part of a Mexican heritage association called "La Raza" which translates to "The Race". He has promoted illegal immigrant scholarships.
It's like if a member of the Aryan Brotherhood were presiding over an Obama scandal. The media would be like, "WOAH. ARYAN BROTHERHOOD?" "don't worry it's just a name that promotes white culture! we have a lot of it and we're quite proud of it!!"
uhh, that's a terrible comparison, considering what the aryan brotherhood is; and making that comparison at all is in very poor form. Can you not see why that's such a terrible comparison?
it's a perfectly apt comparison, la raza is a racist organization the same as the aryan brotherhood. the only difference is la raza was taken over by racist attitudes shortly after its founding, the aryan brotherhood was racist from its inception.
you sure you're talking about the right la raza group? the one the judge is a part of, and not the other group that also uses the la raza name?
The judge is associated with the La Raza Lawyers of California – aka the Latino Bar Association of California. They have no affiliation with the national group "La Raza".
I have trouble believing the Trump supporters I see on Teamliquid. I recognize quite a few of them from the last election cycle, but I never thought I'd see most of them end up like this. Has it really gotten to the point where The National Review and RedState simply are not conservative enough for them? Because Trump's twitter feed is not a news source, let alone a good news source.
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