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NovaTheFeared
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States7224 Posts
June 05 2016 20:36 GMT
#79061
I've got to save the Scott Adams blog post, it's one of the finest pieces of satire I've seen in years.
日本語が分かりますか
DeepElemBlues
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States5079 Posts
June 05 2016 20:42 GMT
#79062
On June 06 2016 05:30 zlefin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 06 2016 05:27 DeepElemBlues wrote:
On June 06 2016 05:16 zlefin wrote:
On June 06 2016 04:57 SK.Testie wrote:
That judge is part of a Mexican heritage association called "La Raza" which translates to "The Race". He has promoted illegal immigrant scholarships.

It's like if a member of the Aryan Brotherhood were presiding over an Obama scandal. The media would be like, "WOAH. ARYAN BROTHERHOOD?" "don't worry it's just a name that promotes white culture! we have a lot of it and we're quite proud of it!!"

uhh, that's a terrible comparison, considering what the aryan brotherhood is; and making that comparison at all is in very poor form. Can you not see why that's such a terrible comparison?


it's a perfectly apt comparison, la raza is a racist organization the same as the aryan brotherhood. the only difference is la raza was taken over by racist attitudes shortly after its founding, the aryan brotherhood was racist from its inception.

you sure you're talking about the right la raza group? the one the judge is a part of, and not the other group that also uses the la raza name?


they're pretty much all connected formally or informally. the la raza lawyers group of san diego the judge is a member of is not an official affiliate of the national council of la raza but it is a part of the larger la raza lawyers of california group which is affiliated with the national council of la raza. people moving in the same circles etc. which would not be acceptable if it were the white lawyers group of san diego a part of the white lawyers group of california which is affiliated with the aryan brotherhood or whatever.
no place i'd rather be than the satellite of love
acker
Profile Joined September 2010
United States2958 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-06-05 20:45:18
June 05 2016 20:44 GMT
#79063
On June 06 2016 05:42 DeepElemBlues wrote:
they're pretty much all connected formally or informally. the la raza lawyers group of san diego the judge is a member of is not an official affiliate of the national council of la raza but it is a part of the larger la raza lawyers of california group which is affiliated with the national council of la raza. people moving in the same circles etc. which would not be acceptable if it were the white lawyers group of san diego a part of the white lawyers group of california which is affiliated with the aryan brotherhood or whatever.


RedState disagrees with you:


Curiel, however, has no affiliation with this group whatsoever. He is a member of La Raza Lawyers of California – aka the Latino Bar Association of California. They have absolutely no affiliation with National Council of La Raza. As far as I can tell, they appear to be a pretty garden variety special interest lawyers association. Every state has these chapters for Hispanic lawyers, black lawyers, women lawyers, Mormon lawyers, Christian lawyers, Jewish lawyers – you name it, there is a lawyer association for it in every state. They have meetings, everyone comes and eat lunch together, and they serve pretty much exclusively the function of networking, which is the lifeblood of legal business generation.


...so, where are you getting your information?
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
June 05 2016 20:46 GMT
#79064
That's some conspiracy theory shit right there.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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acker
Profile Joined September 2010
United States2958 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-06-05 20:51:41
June 05 2016 20:50 GMT
#79065
This election cycle, even the most conservative news sites in existence are apparently staffed by liberal shills.
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
June 05 2016 21:02 GMT
#79066
Forged letters and flyers appearing at gas stations and post offices in tribal lands in Utah are spreading false information about a proposal to create a national monument that protects Native American land.

The proposed Bears Ears national monument, named for the Bears Ears Buttes in south-eastern Utah, would cover up to 1.9m acres of land that is culturally significant to Native American tribes. The land is considered sacred to tribe members, and it contains more than 100,000 archaeological sites and structures.

Supporters of the monument say the fake documents are an attempt to misinform Native Americans and undermine efforts to safeguard the land. Posted on bulletin boards, the documents include a fake letter from Sally Jewell, the interior secretary, stating that about 4m acres of the Navajo reservation will “revert” to the federal government.

The Department of the Interior said last month that Jewell sent no such letter, and that “President Obama has no intentions of reducing the size of the Navajo reservation”.

The false documents also include a flyer announcing that Jewell and Barack Obama will travel to the area in July to attend a party celebrating the designation, but that “no Utah Navajos are invited” to attend.

Cynthia Wilson, community outreach coordinator for Utah Diné Bikéyah, a not-for-profit group working to conserve lands significant to Native Americans, said the documents were “very misleading”. She said she worried people would “get the wrong idea of what the Bears Ears national monument designation would do”.

Wilson first noticed one of the documents when she stopped at a gas station in the town of Mexican Hat and saw a flyer posted on a bulletin board. She suspected there could be more, so she drove to the nearest post office, in the town of Bluff, and saw more posted with printouts that people could take with them.


Source
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
zlefin
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
United States7689 Posts
June 05 2016 21:03 GMT
#79067
On June 06 2016 05:42 DeepElemBlues wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 06 2016 05:30 zlefin wrote:
On June 06 2016 05:27 DeepElemBlues wrote:
On June 06 2016 05:16 zlefin wrote:
On June 06 2016 04:57 SK.Testie wrote:
That judge is part of a Mexican heritage association called "La Raza" which translates to "The Race". He has promoted illegal immigrant scholarships.

It's like if a member of the Aryan Brotherhood were presiding over an Obama scandal. The media would be like, "WOAH. ARYAN BROTHERHOOD?" "don't worry it's just a name that promotes white culture! we have a lot of it and we're quite proud of it!!"

uhh, that's a terrible comparison, considering what the aryan brotherhood is; and making that comparison at all is in very poor form. Can you not see why that's such a terrible comparison?


it's a perfectly apt comparison, la raza is a racist organization the same as the aryan brotherhood. the only difference is la raza was taken over by racist attitudes shortly after its founding, the aryan brotherhood was racist from its inception.

you sure you're talking about the right la raza group? the one the judge is a part of, and not the other group that also uses the la raza name?


they're pretty much all connected formally or informally. the la raza lawyers group of san diego the judge is a member of is not an official affiliate of the national council of la raza but it is a part of the larger la raza lawyers of california group which is affiliated with the national council of la raza. people moving in the same circles etc. which would not be acceptable if it were the white lawyers group of san diego a part of the white lawyers group of california which is affiliated with the aryan brotherhood or whatever.

that's not true;
I await your response to acker's posts.
Also, aryan brotherhood is a criminal/prison gang, which makes it an especially poor and trolling/ignorant comparison.
Great read: http://shorensteincenter.org/news-coverage-2016-general-election/ great book on democracy: http://press.princeton.edu/titles/10671.html zlefin is grumpier due to long term illness. Ignoring some users.
PassiveAce
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States18076 Posts
June 05 2016 21:08 GMT
#79068
nono supporting professional latinos is totally the same thing as advocating for latino supremacy over the white man
Call me Marge Simpson cuz I love you homie
Introvert
Profile Joined April 2011
United States4818 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-06-05 21:33:40
June 05 2016 21:17 GMT
#79069
It's not that Trump is more conservative than, say National Review. He's obviously way less conservative, which is why they oppose him. (edit: it's the major reason)

But of course this was the fear. Now the conservatives are being branded with Trump, although I suspect some people (including some in this thread) know better.

Meanwhile, we all missed this story. Trump should be talking about this, not his dumb comment about the judge.

They were among the nation’s top priorities for deportation, criminals who were supposed to be sent back to their home countries. But instead they were released, one by one, in secret across the United States. Federal officials said that many of the criminals posed little threat to the public, but did little to verify whether that was true.

It wasn’t.

A Globe review of 323 criminals released in New England from 2008 to 2012 found that as many as 30 percent committed new offenses, including rape, attempted murder, and child molestation — a rate that is markedly higher than Immigration and Customs Enforcement officials have suggested to Congress in the past.

The names of these criminals have never before been made public and are coming to light now only because the Globe sued the federal government for the list of criminals immigration authorities returned to neighborhoods across the country. A judge ordered the names released in 2013, and the Globe then undertook the work that the federal government didn’t, scouring court records to find out how many released criminals reoffended.

The Globe has also published, in conjunction with this story, a searchable database of the thousands of names that were disclosed to the news organization, so that crime victims, law enforcement officials, and managers of sex offender registries — who are often unaware of these releases — can find out if the criminals may still be in the United States.


www.bostonglobe.com
"It is therefore only at the birth of a society that one can be completely logical in the laws. When you see a people enjoying this advantage, do not hasten to conclude that it is wise; think rather that it is young." -Alexis de Tocqueville
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
June 05 2016 21:51 GMT
#79070
Don't worry, situation is perfectly normal:

Authorities said on Sunday an oil-train derailment and fire has damaged essential city services in a small Oregon town.

The Mosier waste water treatment plant and sewer system are not operational as a result of the spectacular derailment on Friday of 16 of the 96 tank cars on a Union Pacific train.

The area around the train remained evacuated on Sunday, and officials were conducting continuous water and air monitoring.

Authorities were working to clean up an oil sheen in the Columbia river near the scene of the derailment, and the oil inside the remaining tank cars was being moved to trucks.

Residents of Mosier were being asked to boil any water they used for drinking or cooking, as a precaution.

“Today’s priority is focused on safely restoring essential services to the community of Mosier as soon as possible,” incident spokeswoman Judy Smith of the US Environmental Protection Agency said in a statement.

“I want to apologize to the community,” Union Pacific spokeswoman Raquel Espinoza said at a news conference on Saturday, adding that the company would pick up the tab for the response costs. “This is the type of accident we work to prevent every day.”

Including Friday’s incident, at least 26 oil trains have been involved in major fires or derailments during the past decade in the US and Canada, according to Associated Press analysis of accident records from the two countries.


Source
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands21783 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-06-05 21:54:48
June 05 2016 21:54 GMT
#79071
Yes the US is big and yes you move around a lot of stuff but why do your trains keep derailing!
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States23293 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-06-05 23:10:24
June 05 2016 23:07 GMT
#79072
Trump's mistake on the Judge wasn't his comment, that's part of his basic strategy, the mistake would appear to be not giving the media something better to jump on after. The judge comment was perfect in that no one is talking about the "fraud", but he needs his next thing for the media to latch onto. He got over the hump on the right by redirecting people to the protests, but the left/media isn't letting go so easily (for obvious reasons). Expect him to say something bombastic Monday that the media can't ignore and then the entirety of the coordinated effort from Hillary and the media will be evaporated by coverage of whatever he says Monday.

So long as people are arguing over whether Trump is racist or not Trump is winning. There are no shortage of white men (or women) that feel like they or their actions have been arbitrarily or inaccurately ascribed to racism and are angry about it, and as Bernie's campaign brought to the forefront, they aren't limited to the right.

So far Hillary's campaign and the DNC have shown me that they don't at all understand what they are up against.

On June 06 2016 06:54 Gorsameth wrote:
Yes the US is big and yes you move around a lot of stuff but why do your trains keep derailing!


I should go down to some local tracks and take a picture, as they say, they are worth 1000 words. Worked for Walmart. Thanks for expanding your horizons btw there Kwark

"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
On_Slaught
Profile Joined August 2008
United States12190 Posts
June 05 2016 23:09 GMT
#79073
I mean he's literally not winning, but sure, your point is well taken.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
June 06 2016 00:12 GMT
#79074
Space taken up on the internet =/= winning the general election.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18832 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-06-06 00:37:00
June 06 2016 00:15 GMT
#79075
On June 06 2016 06:54 Gorsameth wrote:
Yes the US is big and yes you move around a lot of stuff but why do your trains keep derailing!

Investment in infrastructure has taken a big hit since the delusion behind "small government" began running rampant among state governments.
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
Slaughter
Profile Blog Joined November 2003
United States20254 Posts
June 06 2016 00:39 GMT
#79076
On June 06 2016 09:15 farvacola wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 06 2016 06:54 Gorsameth wrote:
Yes the US is big and yes you move around a lot of stuff but why do your trains keep derailing!

Investment in infrastructure has taken a big hit since the delusion behind "small government" began running rampant among state governments.



whether it be small or big government we should just pick one. This mishmash of conflicting governing philosphies that work againsy each other blows.
Never Knows Best.
zlefin
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
United States7689 Posts
June 06 2016 00:40 GMT
#79077
the problem is more general incompetence than the mishmash; and that most small gvo't people don't ACTUALLY believe in small government.
Great read: http://shorensteincenter.org/news-coverage-2016-general-election/ great book on democracy: http://press.princeton.edu/titles/10671.html zlefin is grumpier due to long term illness. Ignoring some users.
Sermokala
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States13984 Posts
June 06 2016 00:49 GMT
#79078
As someone who's sister is a small towns jurno you are giving way too much credit to these people if you think that small government is causing their problems.

Most city governments are woefully incompetent by sheer lack of decent politicians.
A wise man will say that he knows nothing. We're gona party like its 2752 Hail Dark Brandon
zlefin
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
United States7689 Posts
June 06 2016 01:01 GMT
#79079
I've noticed a bit of that; you'd think all those political science majors would manage to fill such things out reasonably.
Great read: http://shorensteincenter.org/news-coverage-2016-general-election/ great book on democracy: http://press.princeton.edu/titles/10671.html zlefin is grumpier due to long term illness. Ignoring some users.
farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18832 Posts
June 06 2016 01:05 GMT
#79080
political science majors don't have any money to run for office on
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
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