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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
May 15 2016 16:41 GMT
#76421
NEW ORLEANS (AP) — Vessels continued to skim oil off the Gulf of Mexico on Saturday after about 88,200 gallons of oil were released from a Shell flow line about 90 miles off the coast of Louisiana.

Shell said in a news release that oil is not expected to reach the shoreline. The company said the sheen is moving in a western direction. The company also said the spill has not caused fishing grounds to be closed.

The U.S. Coast Guard said the spill has not injured wildlife. The agency said five skimmers had recovered about 23,800 gallons of oily water.

The oil leaked Thursday from a flow line at Shell's operations in the Glider Field of the Green Canyon. The company said plans on how to remove the flow line are being developed.

The Bureau of Safety and Environmental Enforcement, the agency that oversees offshore drilling, is investigating what caused the leak.

Shell said BSEE has approved the company's plans to resume production at its Brutus platform using direct vertical access wells.


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xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
May 15 2016 17:02 GMT
#76422
On May 16 2016 01:18 Sermokala wrote:
What happened in Nevada I think might be a large warning to the DNC to what might happen at the nation convention. Bernie supports are louder and more rowdy then the rank and file delegates and will make the day to day pretend platform debates a mess.

The idea that they were relying on voice votes for their actions just shows how much of a joke nevada was. Anyone with any sense in their head would know that the anti establishment people would be louder then the pro establishment people.

I mean look at what happened in 2012 when they wanted to make a change about god and Jerusalem to the platform. And people were really united that year.


It couldn't possibly be more fitting after years of promoting bullshit like Occupy Wallstreet and BLM. That will teach them to let the rabid dogs out of the cage.
Jaaaaasper
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
United States10225 Posts
May 15 2016 17:37 GMT
#76423
In that case doesn't that mean the Trump campaign nominating a actual nazi as a representative is what the GOP deserves?
Hey do you want to hear a joke? Chinese production value. | I thought he had a aegis- Ayesee | When did 7ing mad last have a good game, 2012?
zlefin
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
United States7689 Posts
May 15 2016 17:38 GMT
#76424
Occupy wallstreet really needed a better list of demands.
Having a list of demands is a key part of any such thing really.
Great read: http://shorensteincenter.org/news-coverage-2016-general-election/ great book on democracy: http://press.princeton.edu/titles/10671.html zlefin is grumpier due to long term illness. Ignoring some users.
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-05-15 18:35:31
May 15 2016 18:34 GMT
#76425
WASHINGTON — Republican National Committee Chairman Reince Priebus on Sunday said voters don’t care about reports that the party’s presumptive presidential nominee has disrespected women and made unwelcome advances toward them in the workplace.

A New York Times investigation published Saturday included dozens of interviews with women and men who worked with Donald Trump over decades, detailing crude comments about the female form, disturbing workplace conduct and more.

“All these stories that come out — and they come out every couple weeks — people just don’t care,” Priebus said when questioned about the NYT report on “Fox News Sunday.” “I think people look at Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton and say, ‘Who’s going to bring an earthquake to D.C.?’”

Fox anchor Chris Wallace took another stab at the question, appearing flummoxed that Priebus assumed no one cares.

“The question is whether or not he mistreated women, made unwanted advances, whether he humiliated women in the workplace — I don’t know why you say people don’t care about that,” Wallace said.

Priebus backtracked a bit, explaining that given Trump’s rise, he’s not sure it will impact the candidate one way or another.

“All I’m saying is that after a year of different stories, nothing applies,” Priebus said. “The bigger question is: Between Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump, who represents somebody who is going to bring a more efficient, accountable, effective government here in Washington?”

According to Gallup tracking, 70 percent of women had an unfavorable opinion of Trump as of March. The same poll showed that 58 percent of men have unfavorable views of the business mogul.

Asked how Republicans would be able to convince female voters to back Trump given his misogynist comments, and history, Priebus said each individual will have to evaluate Trump based on the answers he gives about his past, but again quickly pivoted to focus on Clinton.


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TMagpie
Profile Joined June 2015
265 Posts
May 15 2016 19:04 GMT
#76426
On May 16 2016 02:38 zlefin wrote:
Occupy wallstreet really needed a better list of demands.
Having a list of demands is a key part of any such thing really.


The issue with the occupy movement was they attempted to use the democratic process within their ranks to decide what the message was, and learned quickly that agreement and speed was the least of a democratic process' concern.
Sermokala
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States13892 Posts
May 15 2016 19:13 GMT
#76427
On May 16 2016 02:37 Jaaaaasper wrote:
In that case doesn't that mean the Trump campaign nominating a actual nazi as a representative is what the GOP deserves?

Well yeah but the democrats supported BLM and OWS during the obama "literally bulletproof electorally" era. While the republicans had a choice between the tea party and irrelevancy after the bush years.
A wise man will say that he knows nothing. We're gona party like its 2752 Hail Dark Brandon
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
May 15 2016 19:32 GMT
#76428
Donald Trump’s campaign is considering hitting his Republican enemies where it hurts: Their wallets.

As Trump moves to work in closer concert with the Republican National Committee apparatus, some campaign aides and allies are pushing him to block lucrative party contracts from consultants who worked to keep him from winning the nomination, according to four sources familiar with the discussions.

“The Never Trump vendors and supporters shouldn’t be in striking distance of the RNC, any of its committees or anyone working on behalf of Donald Trump,” said a Trump campaign official.

The blacklist talk — which sources say mostly targets operatives who worked for Never Trump groups, but also some who worked for Trump’s GOP presidential rivals or their supportive super PACs — strikes against a Republican consulting class that Trump has assailed as a pillar of a corrupt political establishment. It’s a sweet bit of turnabout for Trump aides and consultants who in recent months were warned that their work for the anti-establishment billionaire real estate showman could diminish their own career prospects.

If Trump’s team makes good on the blacklist, it could elevate a whole new crop of vendors, while penalizing establishment operatives who attacked him, often in deeply personal terms. But it also could put Trump’s campaign at a competitive disadvantage as it scrambles to quickly beef up capabilities in highly technical campaign tactics that it largely eschewed in the primary, including voter data, direct mail and phone banking.

Newly minted presidential nominees typically install staff at their respective parties’ national committees, and have been known to steer contracts to at least some of their favored vendors, which often provokes backlash. Since Trump all but clinched the GOP nomination this month with a lopsided victory in Indiana’s primary, his staffers including political director Rick Wiley have spent considerable time at the RNC’s Capitol Hill headquarters discussing joint fundraising and field operations.


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Jaaaaasper
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
United States10225 Posts
May 15 2016 20:05 GMT
#76429
Yeah Trump is the best hope for people who want to see one of the two big parties broken leading to a real third party in a long long time
Hey do you want to hear a joke? Chinese production value. | I thought he had a aegis- Ayesee | When did 7ing mad last have a good game, 2012?
WhiteDog
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France8650 Posts
May 15 2016 20:16 GMT
#76430
On May 16 2016 01:18 Sermokala wrote:
What happened in Nevada I think might be a large warning to the DNC to what might happen at the nation convention. Bernie supports are louder and more rowdy then the rank and file delegates and will make the day to day pretend platform debates a mess.

The idea that they were relying on voice votes for their actions just shows how much of a joke nevada was. Anyone with any sense in their head would know that the anti establishment people would be louder then the pro establishment people.

I mean look at what happened in 2012 when they wanted to make a change about god and Jerusalem to the platform. And people were really united that year.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t8BwqzzqcDs

What ? Can someone give some sense to that ?
"every time WhiteDog overuses the word "seriously" in a comment I can make an observation on his fragile emotional state." MoltkeWarding
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands21641 Posts
May 15 2016 20:22 GMT
#76431
On May 16 2016 05:16 WhiteDog wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 16 2016 01:18 Sermokala wrote:
What happened in Nevada I think might be a large warning to the DNC to what might happen at the nation convention. Bernie supports are louder and more rowdy then the rank and file delegates and will make the day to day pretend platform debates a mess.

The idea that they were relying on voice votes for their actions just shows how much of a joke nevada was. Anyone with any sense in their head would know that the anti establishment people would be louder then the pro establishment people.

I mean look at what happened in 2012 when they wanted to make a change about god and Jerusalem to the platform. And people were really united that year.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t8BwqzzqcDs

What ? Can someone give some sense to that ?

Trying to hold an oral vote in a stadium full of people is utter fail. Think that about covers it.
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
Jaaaaasper
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
United States10225 Posts
May 15 2016 20:33 GMT
#76432
Caucuses are dumb and undemocratic and should be abolished.
Hey do you want to hear a joke? Chinese production value. | I thought he had a aegis- Ayesee | When did 7ing mad last have a good game, 2012?
WhiteDog
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France8650 Posts
May 15 2016 20:41 GMT
#76433
On May 16 2016 05:22 Gorsameth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 16 2016 05:16 WhiteDog wrote:
On May 16 2016 01:18 Sermokala wrote:
What happened in Nevada I think might be a large warning to the DNC to what might happen at the nation convention. Bernie supports are louder and more rowdy then the rank and file delegates and will make the day to day pretend platform debates a mess.

The idea that they were relying on voice votes for their actions just shows how much of a joke nevada was. Anyone with any sense in their head would know that the anti establishment people would be louder then the pro establishment people.

I mean look at what happened in 2012 when they wanted to make a change about god and Jerusalem to the platform. And people were really united that year.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t8BwqzzqcDs

What ? Can someone give some sense to that ?

Trying to hold an oral vote in a stadium full of people is utter fail. Think that about covers it.

Specific Nevada ? Specific to the democrats ? Or is it a normal thing in the US ?
"every time WhiteDog overuses the word "seriously" in a comment I can make an observation on his fragile emotional state." MoltkeWarding
zf
Profile Joined April 2011
231 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-05-15 22:39:54
May 15 2016 22:36 GMT
#76434
On May 16 2016 05:41 WhiteDog wrote:Specific Nevada ? Specific to the democrats ? Or is it a normal thing in the US ?

Specific to the Democrats, but the procedures are common to both parties. The video shows a voice vote at the 2012 Democratic National Convention, i.e., the convention where the party nominates the national candidate for the presidency.

The Democrats had previously removed all mention of God and Jerusalem from the party platform. Ted Strickland, then the Governor of Ohio, proposed an amendment to restore those items to the platform.
iPlaY.NettleS
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Australia4329 Posts
May 15 2016 23:46 GMT
#76435
So why is Sanders behind Clinton by 15 points in Oregon? It's a very white state correct, should be strong for him?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7PvoI6gvQs
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15663 Posts
May 16 2016 00:04 GMT
#76436
On May 16 2016 08:46 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:
So why is Sanders behind Clinton by 15 points in Oregon? It's a very white state correct, should be strong for him?


This is a huge surprise to me. I am a Portland resident and this blows my mind. I know 4 other people who plan to vote for Clinton. That being said, Portland is the only liberal part of the state besides a little south where our universities are located.
Soap
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Brazil1546 Posts
May 16 2016 00:08 GMT
#76437
He was 18 points behind in Michigan. http://elections.huffingtonpost.com/pollster/2016-michigan-presidential-democratic-primary
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15663 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-05-16 00:10:24
May 16 2016 00:10 GMT
#76438
On May 16 2016 09:08 Soap wrote:
He was 18 points behind in Michigan. http://elections.huffingtonpost.com/pollster/2016-michigan-presidential-democratic-primary


Yeah, but he needs 60%+. Winning by a couple percent would be a huge loss for Sanders in Oregon. Losing Oregon is...
Lord Tolkien
Profile Joined November 2012
United States12083 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-05-16 00:21:32
May 16 2016 00:18 GMT
#76439
Depends. Oregon is a closed primary, though I'm not entirely familiar with what their exact primary rules are. This can effect Tueday's results.

I find it more likely they just haven't done much polling in the state (the two remaining significant states in the primaries are NJ and California), or that similar regulations and restrictions as Indiana and Michigan does on robocalls and polling, which can skew the polls (also depends on the pollster in question and their methodology/possible skews), though it's just speculation at this point.



EDIT: Just checked. There's only been one poll done, so don't put too much stock in that number. With polling, it needs to be taken in aggregate.
"His father is pretty juicy tbh." ~WaveofShadow
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States23172 Posts
May 16 2016 00:31 GMT
#76440
On May 16 2016 09:18 Lord Tolkien wrote:
Depends. Oregon is a closed primary, though I'm not entirely familiar with what their exact primary rules are. This can effect Tueday's results.

I find it more likely they just haven't done much polling in the state (the two remaining significant states in the primaries are NJ and California), or that similar regulations and restrictions as Indiana and Michigan does on robocalls and polling, which can skew the polls (also depends on the pollster in question and their methodology/possible skews), though it's just speculation at this point.



EDIT: Just checked. There's only been one poll done, so don't put too much stock in that number. With polling, it needs to be taken in aggregate.


Oregon is all vote by mail/drop-off too so they won't really be voting on the 17th (lot's of people do wait till the last moment to drop off ballots though).

There were something like 80,000 new Democrats registered in OR as well (who wouldn't have been polled).
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
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