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On May 15 2016 17:59 zeo wrote: I don't get it, Clinton already has the nomination in the bag... why resort to this? The establishment of both parties are just so out of touch, who in their right minds thought it was a good idea to pull a Colorado? That won Trump the nomination. And Hilary doing this.... just let him keep the delegates and keep a low profile.
Looking back many people on this forum were cackling with glee watching the GOP tear itself apart with 16 or something candidates while the Democrats had two kumbaya we don't want to attack each other runners. Who in their right minds thought that hijacking the convention would bring more good than bad? It's clear looking at the MSM they want to suppress any news about this but the Berniebots are going to go into hyperdrive propaganda mode among Bernies voters.
At the end of the day Bernie voters are going to be pissed, really pissed. Maybe the Republican party won't be the one that teared itself apart in the end, the Democrat establishment is far more rabid.
It was clear from early March that the post-Sanders DNC was not going to be like the pre-Sanders DNC. Whatever a party is, it can't resist an anti-establishment candidate without being torn apart.
Why would anyone go out on stage and do this? For what purpose?
So they could turn it into this:
On May 15 2016 17:18 kwizach wrote: ... See for example these people, insulting and shouting down Sen. Barbara Boxer for calling for unity and for supporting Clinton:
On May 15 2016 17:59 zeo wrote: I don't get it, Clinton already has the nomination in the bag... why resort to this? The establishment of both parties are just so out of touch, who in their right minds thought it was a good idea to pull a Colorado? That won Trump the nomination. And Hilary doing this.... just let him keep the delegates and keep a low profile.
Looking back many people on this forum were cackling with glee watching the GOP tear itself apart with 16 or something candidates while the Democrats had two kumbaya we don't want to attack each other runners. Who in their right minds thought that hijacking the convention would bring more good than bad? It's clear looking at the MSM they want to suppress any news about this but the Berniebots are going to go into hyperdrive propaganda mode among Bernies voters.
At the end of the day Bernie voters are going to be pissed, really pissed. Maybe the Republican party won't be the one that teared itself apart in the end, the Democrat establishment is far more rabid.
It was clear from early March that the post-Sanders DNC was not going to be like the pre-Sanders DNC. Whatever a party is, it can't resist an anti-establishment candidate without being torn apart.
Why would anyone go out on stage and do this? For what purpose?
On May 15 2016 17:59 zeo wrote: I don't get it, Clinton already has the nomination in the bag... why resort to this? The establishment of both parties are just so out of touch, who in their right minds thought it was a good idea to pull a Colorado? That won Trump the nomination. And Hilary doing this.... just let him keep the delegates and keep a low profile.
Looking back many people on this forum were cackling with glee watching the GOP tear itself apart with 16 or something candidates while the Democrats had two kumbaya we don't want to attack each other runners. Who in their right minds thought that hijacking the convention would bring more good than bad? It's clear looking at the MSM they want to suppress any news about this but the Berniebots are going to go into hyperdrive propaganda mode among Bernies voters.
At the end of the day Bernie voters are going to be pissed, really pissed. Maybe the Republican party won't be the one that teared itself apart in the end, the Democrat establishment is far more rabid.
It was clear from early March that the post-Sanders DNC was not going to be like the pre-Sanders DNC. Whatever a party is, it can't resist an anti-establishment candidate without being torn apart.
Why would anyone go out on stage and do this? For what purpose?
On May 15 2016 17:59 zeo wrote: I don't get it, Clinton already has the nomination in the bag... why resort to this? The establishment of both parties are just so out of touch, who in their right minds thought it was a good idea to pull a Colorado? That won Trump the nomination. And Hilary doing this.... just let him keep the delegates and keep a low profile.
Looking back many people on this forum were cackling with glee watching the GOP tear itself apart with 16 or something candidates while the Democrats had two kumbaya we don't want to attack each other runners. Who in their right minds thought that hijacking the convention would bring more good than bad? It's clear looking at the MSM they want to suppress any news about this but the Berniebots are going to go into hyperdrive propaganda mode among Bernies voters.
At the end of the day Bernie voters are going to be pissed, really pissed. Maybe the Republican party won't be the one that teared itself apart in the end, the Democrat establishment is far more rabid.
It was clear from early March that the post-Sanders DNC was not going to be like the pre-Sanders DNC. Whatever a party is, it can't resist an anti-establishment candidate without being torn apart.
Why would anyone go out on stage and do this? For what purpose?
Standard low/mid-tier politician thinking she's intelligent behavior?
Barbara Boxer is a "low/mid-tier politician thinking she's intelligent"? Here, let me help you educate yourself.
I don't know how her being top tier helps your cause
I'm responding to another poster calling her low-tier and unintelligent. My cause is helped by the fact that Hillary Clinton won the number of delegates that she deserved based on the caucus results, by the fact that she had more eligible delegates than Sanders at the state convention, by the fact that Boxer was responding to Sanders supporters booing her, and by the fact that absolutely nothing indicates that the Sanders supporters complaining have any factual leg to stand on to criticize the final results. I'm not even sure what you and GH are complaining about now.
On May 15 2016 17:59 zeo wrote: I don't get it, Clinton already has the nomination in the bag... why resort to this? The establishment of both parties are just so out of touch, who in their right minds thought it was a good idea to pull a Colorado? That won Trump the nomination. And Hilary doing this.... just let him keep the delegates and keep a low profile.
Looking back many people on this forum were cackling with glee watching the GOP tear itself apart with 16 or something candidates while the Democrats had two kumbaya we don't want to attack each other runners. Who in their right minds thought that hijacking the convention would bring more good than bad? It's clear looking at the MSM they want to suppress any news about this but the Berniebots are going to go into hyperdrive propaganda mode among Bernies voters.
At the end of the day Bernie voters are going to be pissed, really pissed. Maybe the Republican party won't be the one that teared itself apart in the end, the Democrat establishment is far more rabid.
It was clear from early March that the post-Sanders DNC was not going to be like the pre-Sanders DNC. Whatever a party is, it can't resist an anti-establishment candidate without being torn apart.
Why would anyone go out on stage and do this? For what purpose?
Standard low/mid-tier politician thinking she's intelligent behavior?
Barbara Boxer is a "low/mid-tier politician thinking she's intelligent"? Here, let me help you educate yourself.
I don't know how her being top tier helps your cause
I'm responding to another poster calling her low-tier and unintelligent. My cause is helped by the fact that Hillary Clinton won the number of delegates that she deserved based on the caucus results, by the fact that she had more eligible delegates than Sanders at the state convention, by the fact that Boxer was responding to Sanders supporters booing her, and by the fact that absolutely nothing indicates that the Sanders supporters complaining have any factual leg to stand on to criticize the final results. I'm not even sure what you and GH are complaining about now.
Mostly separate things with a little overlap around
The establishment of both parties are just so out of touch
Even you have to see the humor in you not getting that?
A series of declassified memos have revealed details of interviews - described by investigators as “chilling” - from the inquiry into alleged support of the 9/11 terrorist attacks by Saudi Arabian officials.
According to a former Commission staff member, the newly released material largely duplicates a top-secret report known as the '28 pages', which reportedly includes sensitive findings relating to allged Saudi involvement in 9/11.
Fahad al-Thumairy, a 32-year-old Imam and former Saudi diplomat deported from the US in 2003 because of suspected terrorist links, was questioned in Saudi Arabia by members of the 9/11 Commission in February 2004.
A member of Commission staff later said “it was so clear Thumairy was lying,” according to The Guardian. “It was also so clear he was dangerous.” It is also reported that the investigators described the scene as "chilling".
When confronted with evidence of numerous phone calls between himself and Omar al-Bayoumi, a Saudi national who allegedly befriended two of the 9/11 hijackers, al-Thumairy denied any knowledge of Mr al-Bayoumi.
The document states that when Mr al-Thumairy was presented with more confrontational questions during the interrogation, “his posture changed noticeably”.
Mr al-Thumairy is said to have crossed his arms, sat back in his chair and relied more heavily on the interpreter when questioned about his connections to two Saudi hijackers who had lived in southern California before 9/11.
The interviews were conducted between 2002 to 2004 by the 9/11 Commission, set up to investigate the circumstances of the attacks. They have now been published by the National Archives.
According to notes from an interview, members of the Islamic Council of the Saudi government said: “Funds were probably misused. Saudis have an obligation to give to charity. People don’t ask questions about where the money goes.”
On May 15 2016 17:59 zeo wrote: I don't get it, Clinton already has the nomination in the bag... why resort to this? The establishment of both parties are just so out of touch, who in their right minds thought it was a good idea to pull a Colorado? That won Trump the nomination. And Hilary doing this.... just let him keep the delegates and keep a low profile.
Looking back many people on this forum were cackling with glee watching the GOP tear itself apart with 16 or something candidates while the Democrats had two kumbaya we don't want to attack each other runners. Who in their right minds thought that hijacking the convention would bring more good than bad? It's clear looking at the MSM they want to suppress any news about this but the Berniebots are going to go into hyperdrive propaganda mode among Bernies voters.
At the end of the day Bernie voters are going to be pissed, really pissed. Maybe the Republican party won't be the one that teared itself apart in the end, the Democrat establishment is far more rabid.
It was clear from early March that the post-Sanders DNC was not going to be like the pre-Sanders DNC. Whatever a party is, it can't resist an anti-establishment candidate without being torn apart.
Why would anyone go out on stage and do this? For what purpose?
Standard low/mid-tier politician thinking she's intelligent behavior?
Barbara Boxer is a "low/mid-tier politician thinking she's intelligent"? Here, let me help you educate yourself.
I don't know how her being top tier helps your cause
I'm responding to another poster calling her low-tier and unintelligent. My cause is helped by the fact that Hillary Clinton won the number of delegates that she deserved based on the caucus results, by the fact that she had more eligible delegates than Sanders at the state convention, by the fact that Boxer was responding to Sanders supporters booing her, and by the fact that absolutely nothing indicates that the Sanders supporters complaining have any factual leg to stand on to criticize the final results. I'm not even sure what you and GH are complaining about now.
Mostly separate things with a little overlap around
The establishment of both parties are just so out of touch
Even you have to see the humor in you not getting that?
Boxer's not out of touch with anyone, except perhaps with the handful of people angrily booing and insulting her from the start of her speech. Then again, they're out of touch with rational thought and common decency.
Actual voter fraud, committed by the party that's so concerned with voter fraud. Keyser was a State House of Representatives member, now running for their US Senate seat.
Here's the cringe-worthy version, courtesy of Samantha Bee.
Actual voter fraud, committed by the party that's so concerned with voter fraud. Keyser was a State House of Representatives member, now running for their US Senate seat.
Here's the cringe-worthy version, courtesy of Samantha Bee.
Does this quote from the candidate remind you of anyone?
"Here’s the important thing: I’m on the ballot and I’m going to beat Michael Bennet,” answered Keyser. “And I can guarantee you this, the democrats are doing everything they can right now to derail me from being on the primary ballot. I’m not going to let them do it. You know what? I’m taking the bark off Michael Bennet right now and I’m not even started. I’m not even started. The democrats know that I’m the only guy that can beat Michael Bennet and that’s why they are coming after me. They’ve been coming after me for months. And you know what? They can keep it coming, it’s not going to bother me. I’m going to beat Michael Bennet in November. I am on the ballot and I really ask for your vote."
Looks like politicians really appreciate how people respond to Trump's method of communication.
On May 15 2016 17:59 zeo wrote: I don't get it, Clinton already has the nomination in the bag... why resort to this? The establishment of both parties are just so out of touch, who in their right minds thought it was a good idea to pull a Colorado? That won Trump the nomination. And Hilary doing this.... just let him keep the delegates and keep a low profile.
Looking back many people on this forum were cackling with glee watching the GOP tear itself apart with 16 or something candidates while the Democrats had two kumbaya we don't want to attack each other runners. Who in their right minds thought that hijacking the convention would bring more good than bad? It's clear looking at the MSM they want to suppress any news about this but the Berniebots are going to go into hyperdrive propaganda mode among Bernies voters.
At the end of the day Bernie voters are going to be pissed, really pissed. Maybe the Republican party won't be the one that teared itself apart in the end, the Democrat establishment is far more rabid.
It was clear from early March that the post-Sanders DNC was not going to be like the pre-Sanders DNC. Whatever a party is, it can't resist an anti-establishment candidate without being torn apart.
Why would anyone go out on stage and do this? For what purpose?
Standard low/mid-tier politician thinking she's intelligent behavior?
Barbara Boxer is a "low/mid-tier politician thinking she's intelligent"? Here, let me help you educate yourself.
Well, a politician with so many years spent in politics without getting any substantial role in a government is what I call a mid-tier politician, you know. However, I'd like to thank you for educating me about the fact that, based on 2008's DNC primaries, she doesn't have much honor.
On May 15 2016 13:20 kwizach wrote: Apparently, the final Democratic pledged delegate count for Nevada is 20-15 in favor of Clinton, and therefore follows her initial victory in February. It's unfortunate there were tensions at the state convention, though, but Clinton simply had more delegates present.
Reporting out of there has been terrible, there were still delegates in line waiting to be credentialed while they voted on the rules. It was an atrocious display of democracy that no one should be proud of.
The actual reporting seems to point to Bernie supporters misunderstanding convention rules and being generally upset at losing even though Clinton simply had more eligible delegates. And they actually booed Barbara Boxer -- for shame.
Reporting also said Nina Turner was booed. The reporting has been crap. But the article you posted did at least mention this part.
Several Sanders supporters, however, put together what they called a “minority report” of 64 Sanders supporters they believe were wrongly denied delegate status. According to state party representatives, six of those were eventually allowed as delegates, and the rest were denied delegate or alternate status because either they or their records could not be located or they were not registered Democrats by the May 1 deadline.
I know in my own caucuses there has been repeated issues with the state party losing/not providing accurate delegate information. I presume that's why you said "eligible" but left out (as determined by the party which openly endorses the person denying that eligibility flipped the results toward).
So, I waited 2 hours in the Credentials Committee line (10 people in front of me) to be told I was ineligible to be seated today because I changed my registration from Democrat about three weeks ago when I went on a spur of disgust for the party.
This may sound incompetent on my end, and maybe it's common knowledge, but I didn't know I had to maintain my Democrat registration through this process past the caucuses.
Can someone verify if this is an old rule or something they just made up? They said I had to be registered Democrat by May 1st. After that point, they 'vet' each state delegate on the list to verify they are Democrats.
Rules are rules, but I'd be less disappointed if hadn't wasted 4 (total) hours attempting to fight for Bernie today, when I could have spent an hour or less finding out the same information if the party had their shit together.
Let me also quote the following sentence from the article I linked to: "eight Clinton supporters were denied delegate or alternate status for similar reasons". Nothing fishy going on here -- it's hardly the state party's fault if you don't follow the rules and/or don't reply to requests to submit the correct information.
In any case, and like I said, the final result corresponds to how the popular vote went. Hardly anything to be upset about -- to the contrary.
How utterly embarrassing. Idiots like this are the people trying to help Bernie's movement. You don't need voter suppression when the oppositions delegates are this brain dead. You've got enough idiot kids who want to feel a part of something ruining things well enough themselves.
Republican likely presidential nominee Donald Trump said on Sunday that Brexit would not have an impact on trade between the U.S. and Britain – if he was in the White House, of course.
Speaking to ITV’s Piers Morgan, Trump said that he had “big investments” in the U.K. but added that he had “no preference” on the outcome of the June 23 referendum on Britain’s future in or outside of the European Union. He added that he intends to “treat everybody fairly, but it wouldn’t make any difference to me whether they were in the EU or not.”
“I think if I were from Britain, I would probably not want it. I’d want to go back to a different system,” he said in the interview, which will air Monday on Morgan’s breakfast show.
When pushed to answer if the U.K. would go “to the back of the queue” if Britain chose to leave, Trump said: “certainly not.”
This references U.S. President Barack Obama’s assertion that the U.S. would not start talking trade with Britain separately if they chose to leave the EU. During a speech in London, Obama said the U.S.’ “focus is in negotiating with a big bloc” like the EU.
On May 15 2016 17:59 zeo wrote: I don't get it, Clinton already has the nomination in the bag... why resort to this? The establishment of both parties are just so out of touch, who in their right minds thought it was a good idea to pull a Colorado? That won Trump the nomination. And Hilary doing this.... just let him keep the delegates and keep a low profile.
Looking back many people on this forum were cackling with glee watching the GOP tear itself apart with 16 or something candidates while the Democrats had two kumbaya we don't want to attack each other runners. Who in their right minds thought that hijacking the convention would bring more good than bad? It's clear looking at the MSM they want to suppress any news about this but the Berniebots are going to go into hyperdrive propaganda mode among Bernies voters.
At the end of the day Bernie voters are going to be pissed, really pissed. Maybe the Republican party won't be the one that teared itself apart in the end, the Democrat establishment is far more rabid.
It was clear from early March that the post-Sanders DNC was not going to be like the pre-Sanders DNC. Whatever a party is, it can't resist an anti-establishment candidate without being torn apart.
Why would anyone go out on stage and do this? For what purpose?
Standard low/mid-tier politician thinking she's intelligent behavior?
Barbara Boxer is a "low/mid-tier politician thinking she's intelligent"? Here, let me help you educate yourself.
Well, a politician with so many years spent in politics without getting any substantial role in a government is what I call a mid-tier politician, you know. However, I'd like to thank you for educating me about the fact that, based on 2008's DNC primaries, she doesn't have much honor.
The legislative branch is part of the government. Calling Barbara Boxer an unintelligent "low/mid-tier politician" is a display of a lack of information.
If you say on the national stage then it might make sense. But when you're talking about in general there are a lot of state and then country politicians below when you finaly get to the house.
But considering there are only 100 or maybe more who really knows senators at a time its pretty dumb to call her a low-mid tier..
The fact that Bernie's delegates all switched back to independent, and then are surprised they can't vote in the Democratic convention...ah what a time to be alive. It's like...the most basic rule, its literally rule number one, and they couldn't even bother to register correctly or even read. In the end, it is on themselves, and their childish behavior screaming and pushing over people, how do you think actual working Americans respond to this shit?
Not even Trump supporters are this riled up, and I disagree with them on almost every level. But this? Bernie supporters know something is wrong, but they have no solution, they only cause chaos, similar to occupy wall street. They only add to the problem. Given, that is not every Bernie supporter, but you cannot deny there is a bunch of anarchists and cultist members.
What happened in Nevada I think might be a large warning to the DNC to what might happen at the nation convention. Bernie supports are louder and more rowdy then the rank and file delegates and will make the day to day pretend platform debates a mess.
The idea that they were relying on voice votes for their actions just shows how much of a joke nevada was. Anyone with any sense in their head would know that the anti establishment people would be louder then the pro establishment people.
I mean look at what happened in 2012 when they wanted to make a change about god and Jerusalem to the platform. And people were really united that year.
On May 16 2016 01:06 Sermokala wrote: If you say on the national stage then it might make sense. But when you're talking about in general there are a lot of state and then country politicians below when you finaly get to the house.
But considering there are only 50 senators at a time its pretty dumb to call her a low-mid tier..
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