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Sermokala
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States14220 Posts
August 11 2013 22:01 GMT
#7561
On August 12 2013 06:12 DoubleReed wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2013 05:27 Sermokala wrote:
Christie is the worst possible candidate for the GOP. hes just another liberal from the north western states that republicans won't go out to vote for and the democrats can find any reason to vote for the democrat. He has no chance of winning any real primary without the support of even the most moderate republican factions.


Uhh... what? Where did you get that Christie is liberal?

Did you think Romney was liberal because he ran in Massachusetts??

hes a liberal based on the policies that he preaches. Like obamacare pro gun control anti national republican pro obama. stuff like what people actualy vote for and what he says.

People are going to vote for mostly what the letter is next to a persons name more then anything else. the rest is just getting them out to vote and having yet another loser liberal canidate like christie isn't going to swing anything in the deep south florida or ohio which is where the election is decided.
A wise man will say that he knows nothing. We're gona party like its 2752 Hail Dark Brandon
DoubleReed
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States4130 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-11 22:12:03
August 11 2013 22:10 GMT
#7562
On August 12 2013 07:01 Sermokala wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2013 06:12 DoubleReed wrote:
On August 12 2013 05:27 Sermokala wrote:
Christie is the worst possible candidate for the GOP. hes just another liberal from the north western states that republicans won't go out to vote for and the democrats can find any reason to vote for the democrat. He has no chance of winning any real primary without the support of even the most moderate republican factions.


Uhh... what? Where did you get that Christie is liberal?

Did you think Romney was liberal because he ran in Massachusetts??

hes a liberal based on the policies that he preaches. Like obamacare pro gun control anti national republican pro obama. stuff like what people actualy vote for and what he says.

People are going to vote for mostly what the letter is next to a persons name more then anything else. the rest is just getting them out to vote and having yet another loser liberal canidate like christie isn't going to swing anything in the deep south florida or ohio which is where the election is decided.


Yea... there's more to policies than just obamacare and gun control.

And commending Obama on his support during a horrible crisis is obviously just a completely unforgivable crime. It's Obama, therefore as a republican he can never say anything nice about him and he should never ever try to work with him, even during a horrible crisis that completely ravaged his state.

(by the way, that was sarcastic.)

You're silly.
Sermokala
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States14220 Posts
August 11 2013 22:31 GMT
#7563
On August 12 2013 07:10 DoubleReed wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2013 07:01 Sermokala wrote:
On August 12 2013 06:12 DoubleReed wrote:
On August 12 2013 05:27 Sermokala wrote:
Christie is the worst possible candidate for the GOP. hes just another liberal from the north western states that republicans won't go out to vote for and the democrats can find any reason to vote for the democrat. He has no chance of winning any real primary without the support of even the most moderate republican factions.


Uhh... what? Where did you get that Christie is liberal?

Did you think Romney was liberal because he ran in Massachusetts??

hes a liberal based on the policies that he preaches. Like obamacare pro gun control anti national republican pro obama. stuff like what people actualy vote for and what he says.

People are going to vote for mostly what the letter is next to a persons name more then anything else. the rest is just getting them out to vote and having yet another loser liberal canidate like christie isn't going to swing anything in the deep south florida or ohio which is where the election is decided.


Yea... there's more to policies than just obamacare and gun control.

And commending Obama on his support during a horrible crisis is obviously just a completely unforgivable crime. It's Obama, therefore as a republican he can never say anything nice about him and he should never ever try to work with him, even during a horrible crisis that completely ravaged his state.

(by the way, that was sarcastic.)

You're silly.

He gave obama a critical photo op in the straight of the election. While other local leaders where asking him to stay out so they could put all their attention on their job of helping their people he decided to just take critical resources to have the president come around and look at things, not helping anyone at all.
A wise man will say that he knows nothing. We're gona party like its 2752 Hail Dark Brandon
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States44398 Posts
August 11 2013 23:43 GMT
#7564
The President was involved in dealing with the disaster, he was supporting the efforts to help people. You want the governor to send the President and his aid away from his people in the middle of a disaster to make the President look bad for the good of the Republican party?
ModeratorThe angels have the phone box
Stratos_speAr
Profile Joined May 2009
United States6959 Posts
August 12 2013 00:09 GMT
#7565
On August 12 2013 07:31 Sermokala wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2013 07:10 DoubleReed wrote:
On August 12 2013 07:01 Sermokala wrote:
On August 12 2013 06:12 DoubleReed wrote:
On August 12 2013 05:27 Sermokala wrote:
Christie is the worst possible candidate for the GOP. hes just another liberal from the north western states that republicans won't go out to vote for and the democrats can find any reason to vote for the democrat. He has no chance of winning any real primary without the support of even the most moderate republican factions.


Uhh... what? Where did you get that Christie is liberal?

Did you think Romney was liberal because he ran in Massachusetts??

hes a liberal based on the policies that he preaches. Like obamacare pro gun control anti national republican pro obama. stuff like what people actualy vote for and what he says.

People are going to vote for mostly what the letter is next to a persons name more then anything else. the rest is just getting them out to vote and having yet another loser liberal canidate like christie isn't going to swing anything in the deep south florida or ohio which is where the election is decided.


Yea... there's more to policies than just obamacare and gun control.

And commending Obama on his support during a horrible crisis is obviously just a completely unforgivable crime. It's Obama, therefore as a republican he can never say anything nice about him and he should never ever try to work with him, even during a horrible crisis that completely ravaged his state.

(by the way, that was sarcastic.)

You're silly.

He gave obama a critical photo op in the straight of the election. While other local leaders where asking him to stay out so they could put all their attention on their job of helping their people he decided to just take critical resources to have the president come around and look at things, not helping anyone at all.


This is exactly the childish attitude that makes the GOP look so bad nowadays.
A sound mind in a sound body, is a short, but full description of a happy state in this World: he that has these two, has little more to wish for; and he that wants either of them, will be little the better for anything else.
Sermokala
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States14220 Posts
August 12 2013 00:13 GMT
#7566
On August 12 2013 08:43 KwarK wrote:
The President was involved in dealing with the disaster, he was supporting the efforts to help people. You want the governor to send the President and his aid away from his people in the middle of a disaster to make the President look bad for the good of the Republican party?

No I just don't want him to stop being involved with dealing with the disaster so that they can have a photo op in the middle of the election to keep each of them in office instead of dealing with the disaster.
A wise man will say that he knows nothing. We're gona party like its 2752 Hail Dark Brandon
aksfjh
Profile Joined November 2010
United States4853 Posts
August 12 2013 00:22 GMT
#7567
On August 12 2013 08:43 KwarK wrote:
The President was involved in dealing with the disaster, he was supporting the efforts to help people. You want the governor to send the President and his aid away from his people in the middle of a disaster to make the President look bad for the good of the Republican party?

With the whole Medicaid expansion nonsense in Red states, this wouldn't surprise me.
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States44398 Posts
August 12 2013 06:31 GMT
#7568
On August 12 2013 09:13 Sermokala wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2013 08:43 KwarK wrote:
The President was involved in dealing with the disaster, he was supporting the efforts to help people. You want the governor to send the President and his aid away from his people in the middle of a disaster to make the President look bad for the good of the Republican party?

No I just don't want him to stop being involved with dealing with the disaster so that they can have a photo op in the middle of the election to keep each of them in office instead of dealing with the disaster.

You realise that the President doesn't personally hand out the aid, right? His role is as a leader. You are aware of this? That no less aid was handed out because he was busy shaking hands with important people in the process of doing it? Like seriously, I don't even know where to begin with this.
ModeratorThe angels have the phone box
sc2superfan101
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
3583 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-12 09:26:51
August 12 2013 09:25 GMT
#7569
On August 12 2013 15:31 KwarK wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2013 09:13 Sermokala wrote:
On August 12 2013 08:43 KwarK wrote:
The President was involved in dealing with the disaster, he was supporting the efforts to help people. You want the governor to send the President and his aid away from his people in the middle of a disaster to make the President look bad for the good of the Republican party?

No I just don't want him to stop being involved with dealing with the disaster so that they can have a photo op in the middle of the election to keep each of them in office instead of dealing with the disaster.

You realise that the President doesn't personally hand out the aid, right? His role is as a leader. You are aware of this? That no less aid was handed out because he was busy shaking hands with important people in the process of doing it? Like seriously, I don't even know where to begin with this.

The President costs money. It costs time. It costs security.

There was no reason other than political gain for him to show up for a photo-op.

edit: if Obama really would have pulled all federal aid unless he got a photo-op... then that's fucking terrible.
My fake plants died because I did not pretend to water them.
DoubleReed
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States4130 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-12 13:01:27
August 12 2013 12:53 GMT
#7570
Surely not all republicans are this petty? Christie has been a vocal critic of Obama throughout his presidency. As far as Sandy, he was just trying to give credit where credit is due. Apparently, crossing party lines makes somebody a weak candidate to you? And now you're making me defend Christie? Ugh.

Anyway, my point still stands that it seems like nobody has any kind of memory about this stuff. Not to mention that we have three years...

Oh god can we not talk 2016 please? We just did this a year ago. Let's have a bit of election downtime...
aksfjh
Profile Joined November 2010
United States4853 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-12 14:26:50
August 12 2013 14:26 GMT
#7571
As bad as things get for Republicans -- with women, with minorities, with youths -- there's always been one group they can count on: the old. But now one Democratic pollster sees evidence that even seniors are starting to turn on the GOP.

Just 28 percent of voters 65 and older had a favorable view of the Republican Party in a national survey conducted last month by the Democratic pollster Stan Greenberg, versus 40 percent who had a positive view of the Democrats. That's a reversal from a poll Greenberg conducted in early 2011, when 43 percent of seniors saw Republicans favorably and 37 percent saw Democrats that way.

"It is now strikingly clear that [seniors] have turned sharply against the GOP," Erica Seifert, a senior associate at Greenberg's firm, wrote on the company's website this week. "We have seen other voters pull back from the GOP, but among no group has this shift been as sharp as it is among senior citizens."

...

The economy is the biggest underlying factor in the shift, Seifert said. In November 2010, 49 percent of seniors said Republicans were the better party on the economy; just 34 percent said Democrats were. In the July 2013 poll, the parties were essentially tied on this metric, with 43 percent saying Democrats and 42 percent saying Republicans.

Seniors' approval of the GOP-led House has dropped from 45 percent in early 2011 to 22 percent today. They have gone from identifying more as Republicans than Democrats by a 10-point margin to identifying more as Democrats than Republicans by a 6-point margin. Fifty-five percent say the GOP is too extreme, and 52 percent say it is "out of touch" and "dividing the country."

In the July survey, large majorities of seniors agreed with progressive economic proposals, including protecting Medicare benefits (89 percent), raising working women's pay (87 percent) and expanding access to child care for working parents (77 percent). But seniors also took issue with the GOP on social concerns: slim majorities called the Republican Party "extreme" on aid to the poor (53 percent), immigration (53 percent), gay rights (52 percent), and gun violence (51 percent).

Greenberg is a Democratic pollster, to be sure. But his work is widely respected on both sides of the aisle. Republican pollster Whit Ayres didn't question the idea that seniors are souring on the GOP. "I don't think any Republican pollster who's looking at the numbers is sanguine about the state of the Republican brand at this point," he said. "You are going to see the impact of the damaged brand in every demographic group."


Source

That's not a good sign for the GOP. Hardly damning (especially given the source), but not good nonetheless.
farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18870 Posts
August 12 2013 18:16 GMT
#7572
I guess it's a start.....
Attorney General Eric H. Holder Jr. announced Monday that low-level, nonviolent drug offenders with no ties to gangs or large-scale drug organizations will no longer be charged with offenses that impose severe mandatory sentences.

The new Justice Department policy is part of a comprehensive prison reform package that Holder unveiled in a speech to the American Bar Association in San Francisco. He also introduced a policy to reduce sentences for elderly, nonviolent inmates and find alternatives to prison for nonviolent criminals.

Justice Department lawyers have worked for months on the proposals, which Holder wants to make the cornerstone of the rest of his tenure.

“We must face the reality that, as it stands, our system is, in too many ways, broken,” Holder said. “And with an outsized, unnecessarily large prison population, we need to ensure that incarceration is used to punish, to deter and to rehabilitate — not merely to warehouse and to forget.”

“A vicious cycle of poverty, criminality and incarceration traps too many Americans and weakens too many communities,” Holder said Monday. (Excerpts of his ­prepared remarks were provided Sunday to The Washington Post.) He added that “many aspects of our criminal justice system may actually exacerbate these problems rather than alleviate them.”

It is clear that “too many Americans go to too many prisons for far too long and for no truly good law enforcement reason,” Holder said. “We cannot simply prosecute or incarcerate our way to becoming a safer nation,” he added later in the speech.

Holder is calling for a change in Justice Department policies to reserve the most severe penalties for drug offenses for serious, high-level or violent drug traffickers. He has directed his 94 U.S. attorneys across the country to develop specific, locally tailored guidelines for determining when federal charges should be filed and when they should not.

He also said the Justice Department would work with the Department of Education and other allies “to confront the ‘school-to-prison pipeline’ and those zero-tolerance school discipline policies that do not promote safety,” but instead serve as gateways to the criminal justice system.


Holder seeks to avert mandatory minimum sentences for some low-level drug offenders
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
DoubleReed
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States4130 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-12 19:03:09
August 12 2013 19:01 GMT
#7573
The ACLU has a very positive response on their blog about it.

How To Process Eric Holder's Major Criminal Law Speech

First off, we should acknowledge that this is a big deal! This is the first speech by any Attorney General calling for such massive criminal justice reforms. This is the first major address from the Obama Administration calling for action to end the mass incarceration crisis and reduce the racial disparities that plague our criminal justice system. In the same speech, the Attorney General committed to take on the school-to-prison pipeline and called on Congress to end the forced budget cuts that have decimated public defenders nationwide. This is great news.

The ACLU can proudly say that it has been deeply engaged in policy discussions with this administration, and Democrats and Republicans in Congress. Many of the reforms that we have long championed made it into the Attorney General’s speech, including:

1. Developing guidelines to file fewer cases

2. Directing a group of U.S. Attorneys to examine sentencing disparities and develop recommendations to address them

3. Directing every U.S. Attorney to designate a Prevention and Reentry Coordinator

4. Directing every DOJ component to consider whether regulations have collateral consequences that impair reentry

5. Reducing mandatory minimum charging for low-level drug offenses

6. Expanding eligibility for compassionate release; and

7. Identifying and sharing best practices for diversion programs

8. Calling into question zero tolerance policies and other policies that lead to the school to prison pipeline

9. Challenging the legal community to make the promise of Gideon (right to counsel) more of a reality

The Attorney General has assured us that this is just the beginning, and he is taking on the bipartisan spirit that has produced state level reforms and has fueled the reduction in state prison populations.  These changes are long overdue because the federal prison population continues to grow and is 40% overcapacity. What’s worse, as a soon to be released ACLU report will show, a stunning 2,074 federal inmates are serving sentences of life without the possibility of parole for nonviolent crimes.
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
August 12 2013 19:07 GMT
#7574
Rep. Dana Rohrabacher (R-Calif.), a longtime member of the House Committee on Science, Space and Technology, recently brushed aside concern that the wildfires currently scorching across his state and causing millions of dollars of damage have anything to do with climate change. In fact, he told constituents at a town hall that "global warming is a total fraud," employed by liberals to "create global government."

In a video captured by Lee Fang of The Nation, Rohrabacher laughed off a claim made last week by Sen. Barbara Boxer (D-Calif.) that the unusual intensity of this year's wildfire season should give rise to a more serious debate about how climate change is affecting the temperature and length of the dry season.

"Just so you'll know, global warming is a total fraud and it's being designed because what you’ve got is you’ve got liberals who get elected at the local level want state government to do the work and let them make the decisions," Rohrabacher said. "Then, at the state level, they want the federal government to do it. And at the federal government, they want to create global government to control all of our lives."

The friendly town hall audience seemed to agree with Rohrabacher's contention that humans were incapable of changing earth's climate, giving a collective chuckle. The congressman then appeared to make an offhand reference to Agenda 21, a set of UN-created sustainable development recommendations that the tea party and other Republicans have put forth as an example of how the government will use the threat of climate change to seize property and control the lives of its citizens.


Source
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darthfoley
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States8004 Posts
August 12 2013 19:20 GMT
#7575
On August 12 2013 21:53 DoubleReed wrote:
Surely not all republicans are this petty? Christie has been a vocal critic of Obama throughout his presidency. As far as Sandy, he was just trying to give credit where credit is due. Apparently, crossing party lines makes somebody a weak candidate to you? And now you're making me defend Christie? Ugh.

Anyway, my point still stands that it seems like nobody has any kind of memory about this stuff. Not to mention that we have three years...

Oh god can we not talk 2016 please? We just did this a year ago. Let's have a bit of election downtime...


Sorry, I'm just excited for 2016 because it's my first presidential election i'll be able to vote in

point taken!
watch the wall collide with my fist, mostly over problems that i know i should fix
Danglars
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States12133 Posts
August 12 2013 20:25 GMT
#7576
On August 13 2013 04:07 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Show nested quote +
Rep. Dana Rohrabacher (R-Calif.), a longtime member of the House Committee on Science, Space and Technology, recently brushed aside concern that the wildfires currently scorching across his state and causing millions of dollars of damage have anything to do with climate change. In fact, he told constituents at a town hall that "global warming is a total fraud," employed by liberals to "create global government."

In a video captured by Lee Fang of The Nation, Rohrabacher laughed off a claim made last week by Sen. Barbara Boxer (D-Calif.) that the unusual intensity of this year's wildfire season should give rise to a more serious debate about how climate change is affecting the temperature and length of the dry season.

"Just so you'll know, global warming is a total fraud and it's being designed because what you’ve got is you’ve got liberals who get elected at the local level want state government to do the work and let them make the decisions," Rohrabacher said. "Then, at the state level, they want the federal government to do it. And at the federal government, they want to create global government to control all of our lives."

The friendly town hall audience seemed to agree with Rohrabacher's contention that humans were incapable of changing earth's climate, giving a collective chuckle. The congressman then appeared to make an offhand reference to Agenda 21, a set of UN-created sustainable development recommendations that the tea party and other Republicans have put forth as an example of how the government will use the threat of climate change to seize property and control the lives of its citizens.


Source

Right on Dana! If politicians want the science, they've gotta learn not to leap at every opportunity to label a natural disaster or hot day on climate change. It just backs up even more that climate change is a vehicle for a political agenda first and foremost. Concern about the long term trend comes in second.
Great armies come from happy zealots, and happy zealots come from California!
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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
August 12 2013 21:03 GMT
#7577
WASHINGTON -- Midway between the 2012 and 2014 election campaigns, moderate Republican conservatives are beginning to foment a revolt of their own – a backlash to anti-spending tea party shrillness as budget cuts begin to significantly shrink defense and domestic programs.

Tea party forces may have dominated the House GOP's approach to the budget so far, but pragmatists in the party have served notice they won't stand idly by for indiscriminate spending cuts to politically popular community development grants, education programs and even Amtrak.

Voting in the spring for the tea party budget developed by Rep. Paul Ryan, R-Wis., who was Mitt Romney's vice presidential running mate last year, was one thing. But as long as a Democrat occupies the White House, Ryan's budget is little more than a nonbinding wish list – cutting Medicaid, Medicare and food stamps and slashing budgets for domestic agencies funded annually through appropriations bills.

Many tenured Republicans, particularly members of the House Appropriations Committee, have viewed Ryan's sweeping cuts as unworkable all along. When more than $4 billion in entirely new cuts came to the House floor in the form of an actual bill for funding transportation and housing programs, House Speaker John Boehner, R-Ohio, confronted shaky support from less ardently conservative Republicans and decided to pull the $44 billion package on July 31.

That sparked a frustrated outburst from the committee chairman, Rep. Harold Rogers, R-Ky. He called for abandoning the Ryan budget and starting bipartisan negotiations that would provide appropriators with "a realistic spending level to fund the government in a responsible – and attainable – way."

"Attainable" is code for something that can pass the Senate and get signed by President Barack Obama. That's rarely a recipe for tea party fun.


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Stratos_speAr
Profile Joined May 2009
United States6959 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-12 23:36:42
August 12 2013 23:31 GMT
#7578
On August 13 2013 05:25 Danglars wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 13 2013 04:07 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Rep. Dana Rohrabacher (R-Calif.), a longtime member of the House Committee on Science, Space and Technology, recently brushed aside concern that the wildfires currently scorching across his state and causing millions of dollars of damage have anything to do with climate change. In fact, he told constituents at a town hall that "global warming is a total fraud," employed by liberals to "create global government."

In a video captured by Lee Fang of The Nation, Rohrabacher laughed off a claim made last week by Sen. Barbara Boxer (D-Calif.) that the unusual intensity of this year's wildfire season should give rise to a more serious debate about how climate change is affecting the temperature and length of the dry season.

"Just so you'll know, global warming is a total fraud and it's being designed because what you’ve got is you’ve got liberals who get elected at the local level want state government to do the work and let them make the decisions," Rohrabacher said. "Then, at the state level, they want the federal government to do it. And at the federal government, they want to create global government to control all of our lives."

The friendly town hall audience seemed to agree with Rohrabacher's contention that humans were incapable of changing earth's climate, giving a collective chuckle. The congressman then appeared to make an offhand reference to Agenda 21, a set of UN-created sustainable development recommendations that the tea party and other Republicans have put forth as an example of how the government will use the threat of climate change to seize property and control the lives of its citizens.


Source

Right on Dana! If politicians want the science, they've gotta learn not to leap at every opportunity to label a natural disaster or hot day on climate change. It just backs up even more that climate change is a vehicle for a political agenda first and foremost. Concern about the long term trend comes in second.


Right. He didn't just call her out for supposedly using global warming as a political tool (when she didn't even say that global warming did cause the outbreak, just that there should be more discussion about it). The man specifically said that global warming is a fraud, when there is broad scientific consensus that global warming is in fact occurring. You're looking less and less like an intellectual conservative and more like just another anti-scientific conservative nutjob, Danglars.
A sound mind in a sound body, is a short, but full description of a happy state in this World: he that has these two, has little more to wish for; and he that wants either of them, will be little the better for anything else.
Leporello
Profile Joined January 2011
United States2845 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-13 00:04:10
August 12 2013 23:34 GMT
#7579
On August 13 2013 05:25 Danglars wrote:
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On August 13 2013 04:07 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Rep. Dana Rohrabacher (R-Calif.), a longtime member of the House Committee on Science, Space and Technology, recently brushed aside concern that the wildfires currently scorching across his state and causing millions of dollars of damage have anything to do with climate change. In fact, he told constituents at a town hall that "global warming is a total fraud," employed by liberals to "create global government."

In a video captured by Lee Fang of The Nation, Rohrabacher laughed off a claim made last week by Sen. Barbara Boxer (D-Calif.) that the unusual intensity of this year's wildfire season should give rise to a more serious debate about how climate change is affecting the temperature and length of the dry season.

"Just so you'll know, global warming is a total fraud and it's being designed because what you’ve got is you’ve got liberals who get elected at the local level want state government to do the work and let them make the decisions," Rohrabacher said. "Then, at the state level, they want the federal government to do it. And at the federal government, they want to create global government to control all of our lives."

The friendly town hall audience seemed to agree with Rohrabacher's contention that humans were incapable of changing earth's climate, giving a collective chuckle. The congressman then appeared to make an offhand reference to Agenda 21, a set of UN-created sustainable development recommendations that the tea party and other Republicans have put forth as an example of how the government will use the threat of climate change to seize property and control the lives of its citizens.


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Right on Dana! If politicians want the science, they've gotta learn not to leap at every opportunity to label a natural disaster or hot day on climate change. It just backs up even more that climate change is a vehicle for a political agenda first and foremost. Concern about the long term trend comes in second.


"If politicians want the science", what the hell does that even mean?

This is the problem with the GOP. You talk about every single thing like it's a game. Those Democrats with their science cards.

Science has a level of scrutiny that never has and never will exist in the political culture. Scientists, unlike politicians, are very beholden to verifiable data. Climate change isn't a "card" in the liberals hand made just to give a Californian Republican politician a hard time. Climate change is something built upon centuries of culminating research.


If Dana doesn't "want the science" (seriously?), I'm sure there are plenty of other voters who share his arrogance. Claiming the entire scientific community is committing fraud is arrogant. Thinking we can burn every fossil-fuel we can dig-up, materials that can only be created by millions of years of slow exposure, without there being environmental consequences is arrogant.

We're supposed to believe that science is an "agenda", a playing-card for someone's profit, but Dana's beliefs of maintaining the status-quo have no agenda or profit to them. And sadly some people really are stupid enough and politically-absorbed enough to believe that.
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On August 13 2013 08:31 Stratos_speAr wrote:
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On August 13 2013 05:25 Danglars wrote:
On August 13 2013 04:07 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Rep. Dana Rohrabacher (R-Calif.), a longtime member of the House Committee on Science, Space and Technology, recently brushed aside concern that the wildfires currently scorching across his state and causing millions of dollars of damage have anything to do with climate change. In fact, he told constituents at a town hall that "global warming is a total fraud," employed by liberals to "create global government."

In a video captured by Lee Fang of The Nation, Rohrabacher laughed off a claim made last week by Sen. Barbara Boxer (D-Calif.) that the unusual intensity of this year's wildfire season should give rise to a more serious debate about how climate change is affecting the temperature and length of the dry season.

"Just so you'll know, global warming is a total fraud and it's being designed because what you’ve got is you’ve got liberals who get elected at the local level want state government to do the work and let them make the decisions," Rohrabacher said. "Then, at the state level, they want the federal government to do it. And at the federal government, they want to create global government to control all of our lives."

The friendly town hall audience seemed to agree with Rohrabacher's contention that humans were incapable of changing earth's climate, giving a collective chuckle. The congressman then appeared to make an offhand reference to Agenda 21, a set of UN-created sustainable development recommendations that the tea party and other Republicans have put forth as an example of how the government will use the threat of climate change to seize property and control the lives of its citizens.


Source

Right on Dana! If politicians want the science, they've gotta learn not to leap at every opportunity to label a natural disaster or hot day on climate change. It just backs up even more that climate change is a vehicle for a political agenda first and foremost. Concern about the long term trend comes in second.


Right. He didn't just call her out for supposedly using global warming as a political tool. The man specifically said that global warming is a fraud, when there is broad scientific consensus that global warming is in fact occurring. And you conservatives wonder why we mock you so much.


Danglars isn't cheering a climate denier, but a conspiracy nut. Do you really want him to respond to you with how lizard people are the real ones in control? I wouldn't address him directly like that. You might just find out how deep the rabbit hole goes.
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