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Sermokala
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States14220 Posts
April 15 2016 00:39 GMT
#72181
On April 15 2016 09:23 puerk wrote:
the number of unique posters following this thread is actually quite low, so everyone knows everyones position already quite well and most political problems have been talked about

now only watching the GOP failure cascade is left to do

They've been calling for the GOP failure cascade for 8 years. Bush was suppose to have killed the right in america.
A wise man will say that he knows nothing. We're gona party like its 2752 Hail Dark Brandon
farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18874 Posts
April 15 2016 00:40 GMT
#72182
Only fools suggested that the death would be quick
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
April 15 2016 00:40 GMT
#72183
On April 15 2016 08:55 farvacola wrote:
Y'all should check out the 2012 election thread. I think you'll find that we've all calmed down quite a bit since then lol


iirc quite a few ppl got perm'd
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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
April 15 2016 00:45 GMT
#72184
County officials across Mississippi are warning of job losses and deep deficits as local jails are being deprived of the state inmates needed to keep them afloat. The culprit, say local officials, is state government and private prisons, which are looking to boost their own revenue as sentencing and drug-policy reforms are sending fewer bodies into the correctional system.

In the late 1990s, as the overcrowded Mississippi prison system buckled under the weight of mass incarceration, the state asked local governments to build local correctional institutions to house state prisoners. It was billed as a win-win: The Mississippi Department of Correction would foot the bill for each prisoner, and the counties would get good jobs guarding them. The state guaranteed that the local jails would never be less than 80 percent occupied, and the locals would get a 3 percent boost in compensation each year.

After a few years, say local officials, the state offered a new deal: Instead of the 3 percent bump, they would give the locals more and more prisoners, thus boosting total revenue. Today, the state pays $29.74 per day per prisoner to the regional facilities, a deal that worked for everybody as long as the buildings were stuffed full with bodies.

Scott Strickland, president of the Stone County Board of Supervisors, said reforms at the state and local levels have shrunk the prison population. “Federal laws took some part in that — allowing prisoners to serve only a certain percentage of their term,” he said. “Also, they’ve reduced prison sentences for certain drug-related offenses.”

As the wave of mass incarceration begins to recede, the Mississippi controversy has local and state officials talking openly about how harmful locking up fewer people up will be for the economy, confirming the suspicions of those who have argued that mass incarceration is not merely a strategy directed at crime prevention. “Under the administrations of Reagan and Clinton, incarceration, a social tool used for punishment, also became a major job creator,” Antonio Moore, a producer of the documentary “Crack in the System,” wrote recently.


Source
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Wolfstan
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada605 Posts
April 15 2016 00:50 GMT
#72185
On April 15 2016 09:45 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Show nested quote +
County officials across Mississippi are warning of job losses and deep deficits as local jails are being deprived of the state inmates needed to keep them afloat. The culprit, say local officials, is state government and private prisons, which are looking to boost their own revenue as sentencing and drug-policy reforms are sending fewer bodies into the correctional system.

In the late 1990s, as the overcrowded Mississippi prison system buckled under the weight of mass incarceration, the state asked local governments to build local correctional institutions to house state prisoners. It was billed as a win-win: The Mississippi Department of Correction would foot the bill for each prisoner, and the counties would get good jobs guarding them. The state guaranteed that the local jails would never be less than 80 percent occupied, and the locals would get a 3 percent boost in compensation each year.

After a few years, say local officials, the state offered a new deal: Instead of the 3 percent bump, they would give the locals more and more prisoners, thus boosting total revenue. Today, the state pays $29.74 per day per prisoner to the regional facilities, a deal that worked for everybody as long as the buildings were stuffed full with bodies.

Scott Strickland, president of the Stone County Board of Supervisors, said reforms at the state and local levels have shrunk the prison population. “Federal laws took some part in that — allowing prisoners to serve only a certain percentage of their term,” he said. “Also, they’ve reduced prison sentences for certain drug-related offenses.”

As the wave of mass incarceration begins to recede, the Mississippi controversy has local and state officials talking openly about how harmful locking up fewer people up will be for the economy, confirming the suspicions of those who have argued that mass incarceration is not merely a strategy directed at crime prevention. “Under the administrations of Reagan and Clinton, incarceration, a social tool used for punishment, also became a major job creator,” Antonio Moore, a producer of the documentary “Crack in the System,” wrote recently.


Source


Please no one take labour's side on this one. Downsizing is needed when industry changes or dies.
EG - ROOT - Gambit Gaming
Kipsate
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Netherlands45349 Posts
April 15 2016 00:51 GMT
#72186
On April 15 2016 08:55 puerk wrote:
i hope it was clear that i was only taking part in the fun, by extending the joke

also there seems to be a lull in the thread since the last "socialism leads to bolchevik genocide"-detour

i just watched an obama clip and am fascinated how he kept his oratory style in tact.. current (motion picture) media is all about soundbites, fanfare, and general trumpness, while he works that long winded, slow oration of an academic, with well presented pauses. all the other candidates look so unpresidential to me in comparison. even hillary, yeah she has some snark, a sharp wit (see benghazi hearing) and in general the right direction, but she (to me) tries too hard to be forceful and energizing (going with the times).

edit: @ farvacola, yeah somehow people got over the black president pretty fast.. have not seen "they are culturally inferior" in a long time in a political discussion on TL

Obama's charisma is off the charts, none of the canidates currently on either side can hold a candle to him when it comes to speeching.
WriterXiao8~~
puerk
Profile Joined February 2015
Germany855 Posts
April 15 2016 00:52 GMT
#72187
On April 15 2016 09:28 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Universal daycare, paid family leave, minimum wage, universal healthcare, global warming, the environment, campaign finance, criminal justice reform, pharmaceutical prices etc. All are topics that are still being/up for debate.

i am pretty sure you did not mean it that way, but for most of the world "global warming" is not up for debate

regarding daycare: i went to daycare in an actual oppressive socialist state (GDR), and still think the system was better than the current one... it is a great externality, people can work/study, children get exposed to each other and society..

regarding paid family leave: we need more openmindedness how to share the leave time, or introduce the option for subventioned part-time for both parents so they can make good choices for their family

minimum wage: i am not sure if that model is the best, compared to a guaranteed basic income, but in absence of one it should be high enough for a dignified life, and adjusted upwards according to productivity gains and inflation on housing/food/energy

universal healthcare: take the profit motive out of it more, for instance set criteria what policies have to cover, how large insurance rates can be, and open up the market to all insurers country wide that fit those 2 groups of criteria. i am not sure about it but the american system also seems to be severely lacking in government mediated negotiations between providers and insurances on pay for procedures.

the environment is the hardest of the open topics... (not in actual political terms but in objective measures, for instance is it beneficial if my gf (ecologist) flies to a conference to scotland to advance the body of knowledge, does it outweigh pollution from flying, is there a better way.. etc, ecological impact on societal scales is actually really difficult)

campaign finance: i like the german system, americans will say it is impossible to implement...

criminal justice reform: i think there is pretty wide concensus that mandatory minimums and war on drugs are stupid and will be repelled with time and effort... it seems quite inevetible

GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States24492 Posts
April 15 2016 01:07 GMT
#72188
Dem debate is on

http://www.livenewschat.eu/democratic-debate-live-stream/

It's hot
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
April 15 2016 01:08 GMT
#72189
Oh man I wish I had popcorn right now
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Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15743 Posts
April 15 2016 01:09 GMT
#72190
Clinton basically opening up with a body slam.
Wolfstan
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada605 Posts
April 15 2016 01:09 GMT
#72191
On April 15 2016 09:52 puerk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 15 2016 09:28 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Universal daycare, paid family leave, minimum wage, universal healthcare, global warming, the environment, campaign finance, criminal justice reform, pharmaceutical prices etc. All are topics that are still being/up for debate.

i am pretty sure you did not mean it that way, but for most of the world "global warming" is not up for debate

regarding daycare: i went to daycare in an actual oppressive socialist state (GDR), and still think the system was better than the current one... it is a great externality, people can work/study, children get exposed to each other and society..

regarding paid family leave: we need more openmindedness how to share the leave time, or introduce the option for subventioned part-time for both parents so they can make good choices for their family

minimum wage: i am not sure if that model is the best, compared to a guaranteed basic income, but in absence of one it should be high enough for a dignified life, and adjusted upwards according to productivity gains and inflation on housing/food/energy

universal healthcare: take the profit motive out of it more, for instance set criteria what policies have to cover, how large insurance rates can be, and open up the market to all insurers country wide that fit those 2 groups of criteria. i am not sure about it but the american system also seems to be severely lacking in government mediated negotiations between providers and insurances on pay for procedures.

the environment is the hardest of the open topics... (not in actual political terms but in objective measures, for instance is it beneficial if my gf (ecologist) flies to a conference to scotland to advance the body of knowledge, does it outweigh pollution from flying, is there a better way.. etc, ecological impact on societal scales is actually really difficult)

campaign finance: i like the german system, americans will say it is impossible to implement...

criminal justice reform: i think there is pretty wide concensus that mandatory minimums and war on drugs are stupid and will be repelled with time and effort... it seems quite inevetible



The solution of global warming is definitely up for debate.

Minimum wage should be left up to the states. Every state has different economies and different lifestyles.

Universal Healthcare should be funded and administered by the states.

Daycare/Family Leave should be funded and decided by private and individuals. I'd be willing to change my opinion based on profit motive being terrible for the service. I have no children but haven't been convinced that childcare the public responsibility like prisons and healthcare.

Campaign finance is incredibly hard and full of nuance.
EG - ROOT - Gambit Gaming
m4ini
Profile Joined February 2014
4215 Posts
April 15 2016 01:14 GMT
#72192
I really, really dislike politicians that read off of notes and scripts in debates.
On track to MA1950A.
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15743 Posts
April 15 2016 01:17 GMT
#72193
He can not come up with an example because there is no example. R E K T
m4ini
Profile Joined February 2014
4215 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-04-15 01:20:06
April 15 2016 01:19 GMT
#72194
On April 15 2016 10:17 Mohdoo wrote:
He can not come up with an example because there is no example. R E K T


"Why don't you release the transcripts though?"

- "Investment banks, he did, and i totally did, and stuff!"

Who can't come up with what now?
On track to MA1950A.
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18487 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-04-15 01:23:34
April 15 2016 01:22 GMT
#72195
How come she still doesn't have an answer to that question?

And are people really interested in Bernie's tax statements?
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15743 Posts
April 15 2016 01:23 GMT
#72196
On April 15 2016 10:22 Acrofales wrote:
How come she still doesn't have an answer to that question?


I think it's a weak enough question that it just makes no sense. She can just refuse and not give a fuck.
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States24492 Posts
April 15 2016 01:23 GMT
#72197
On April 15 2016 10:22 Acrofales wrote:
How come she still doesn't have an answer to that question?


Because there isn't one besides "They undermine what I'm claiming I told them in 2008 that I keep pointing at"
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
m4ini
Profile Joined February 2014
4215 Posts
April 15 2016 01:24 GMT
#72198
On April 15 2016 10:23 Mohdoo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 15 2016 10:22 Acrofales wrote:
How come she still doesn't have an answer to that question?


I think it's a weak enough question that it just makes no sense. She can just refuse and not give a fuck.


But "but Senator Sanders, your tax returns, to be clear, get released tomorrow?"

- "yes"

"But why not earlier?"

Is.. somehow not weak?

I certainly do think it'd be interesting to see those transcripts.
On track to MA1950A.
Introvert
Profile Joined April 2011
United States5082 Posts
April 15 2016 01:25 GMT
#72199
These two are both so terrible at this LMAO. Man, just imagine if Trump wasn't in the race...

I'm just glad they are actually hitting each other. Maybe Sanders decided he actually wants to win. May be too late!
"But, as the conservative understands it, modification of the rules should always reflect, and never impose, a change in the activities and beliefs of those who are subject to them, and should never on any occasion be so great as to destroy the ensemble."
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18487 Posts
April 15 2016 01:25 GMT
#72200
On April 15 2016 10:23 Mohdoo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 15 2016 10:22 Acrofales wrote:
How come she still doesn't have an answer to that question?


I think it's a weak enough question that it just makes no sense. She can just refuse and not give a fuck.

That would be an actual answer. Rather than waffling around it.
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