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Kipsate
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Netherlands45349 Posts
April 14 2016 17:25 GMT
#72141
The alternative is that they are both wrong and just are trying to advance their own agenda

But that would be wrong!
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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
April 14 2016 17:28 GMT
#72142
On April 15 2016 02:25 Kipsate wrote:
The alternative is that they are both wrong and just are trying to advance their own agenda

But that would be wrong!

I would say that "right and wrong" is a bad way to look at any labor dispute. Both sides pushing own best interests. I just can't feel bad for Verizon or any cable/cell phone service provider.
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ShoCkeyy
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
7815 Posts
April 14 2016 17:38 GMT
#72143
McAdam added, “I challenge Sen. Sanders to show me a company that’s done more to invest in America than Verizon.”

Kekekeke, you haven't invested in America, you invested in Verizon to fuck Americans.
Life?
farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18874 Posts
April 14 2016 17:50 GMT
#72144
Verizon is a scumbag company, like all telecoms are, but that doesn't make Sanders' statements more accurate. The only way Verizon gets to a 35% rate is if they're sneakily including employment and sales taxes, and as for effective rate, well God only knows there. Tax transparency is definitely something to work toward.
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States44428 Posts
April 14 2016 18:09 GMT
#72145
I would be amazed if they included all the tax discounts, rebates, subsidies and cofunding partnerships with local and state governments in that figure too. While not strictly speaking part of the tax figure it's certainly part of the "how much are they contributing" discussion.
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ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-04-14 18:14:13
April 14 2016 18:09 GMT
#72146
We all know our tax system is screwed

But actually if you look at Verizon's income statement they paid about 10b in taxes on 33b in profit 2015. the cash expense is actually a lot less and they have a long term deferred tax liability which i'm not sure what happens to. paging kwark on this one. i think its something to do with capex or long term revenue recognition?

Sanders also cherrypicks a very specific period where tax is low (aka the recession). if you look at pretty much any other period verizon is paying a couple billion in taxes

and the 600m is offshored because verizon wireless is partly owned by vodaphone which is a british company
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cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
April 14 2016 18:16 GMT
#72147
On April 14 2016 10:07 oneofthem wrote:
how heavy is experimental design and statistics in a bio program?

ive actually helped my dad edit some of his medical research papers it seems pretty heavy on the statistical and design aspects. this is in molecular cardiology


Its kind of involved from what I've seen. But IMO in a bad way, because all the options gives them too many chances to massage stats to get the result they need to be "significant".

When I worked in a lab we actually just submitted our work to the university stats department because our principal hated stats (despite being pretty bright mostly) and she trusted no one with them. This, however, also led to her aggravation when we would do 160 hours of experimentation to achieve no significance (and some of them I know we could have gotten with the 2 tailed tests you learn in Bio 101).
Freeeeeeedom
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States44428 Posts
April 14 2016 18:17 GMT
#72148
I'll get back to you in a year or so regarding corporate taxes. Not studied it yet.
ModeratorThe angels have the phone box
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15743 Posts
April 14 2016 18:50 GMT
#72149
Oh look, Lewandowski won't be prosecuted. Color me shocked. What a silly story that was.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
April 14 2016 18:55 GMT
#72150
I'm not surprised, but I also don't take the "insufficient evidence" reason at face value either.
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BallinWitStalin
Profile Joined July 2008
1177 Posts
April 14 2016 18:57 GMT
#72151
On April 15 2016 03:16 cLutZ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 14 2016 10:07 oneofthem wrote:
how heavy is experimental design and statistics in a bio program?

ive actually helped my dad edit some of his medical research papers it seems pretty heavy on the statistical and design aspects. this is in molecular cardiology


Its kind of involved from what I've seen. But IMO in a bad way, because all the options gives them too many chances to massage stats to get the result they need to be "significant".

When I worked in a lab we actually just submitted our work to the university stats department because our principal hated stats (despite being pretty bright mostly) and she trusted no one with them. This, however, also led to her aggravation when we would do 160 hours of experimentation to achieve no significance (and some of them I know we could have gotten with the 2 tailed tests you learn in Bio 101).


Yeah but two-tailed tests can often be very, very inappropriate for many experimental designs. Kudos to your principal for integrity. No results are still results, although this is probably worse of an issue in the medical field than in ecology/evolution where null results (while still less publishable), are still potentially quite interesting.
I await the reminiscent nerd chills I will get when I hear a Korean broadcaster yell "WEEAAAAVVVVVUUUHHH" while watching Dota
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15743 Posts
April 14 2016 19:08 GMT
#72152
My understanding is that bio tends to rely a lot on statistics because the spectroscopic methods you can use are severely limited by bond energies in biological systems. If you used some of the more helpful techniques, you'd accidentally ionize a bunch of places you don't want to and distort your data. So responses are very indirectly measured.
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States24492 Posts
April 14 2016 19:25 GMT
#72153
Hillary did try to #StealTheBern and get a photo-op with the strikers...



Tonight's debate should be good. I'm interested to see if Clinton keeps trying with that dumb Vermont guns attack with a chance PA is watching or what she has planned.

I'm not thinking the new Anita Hill story is going to look good for Brock or Hillary after she hired him to do the same to Bernie.
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
April 14 2016 19:33 GMT
#72154
Microsoft sued the US government on Thursday for the right to tell customers when authorities search their email inboxes.

In a federal complaint that names the US attorney general, Loretta Lynch, the company argues the government has taken advantage of the consumer trend for storing their private data on tech companies’ servers, rather than storing it on their own devices. This shouldn’t let the government search the digital equivalent of a person’s desk without telling them, Microsoft argues.

The government counters that doing so may tip off suspects of a criminal investigation.

The salvo marks the latest effort by a major US technology firm to lift the veil of secrecy surrounding modern electronic surveillance. It comes after several attempts in recent years by Twitter, Google and Microsoft to have gag orders about surveillance requests removed. The industry has a renewed confidence in taking on the government following Apple’s recent stare-down with the Federal Bureau of Investigation.

In this case, Microsoft wants a judge to rule a statute unconstitutional that allows the government to request indefinite gag orders on warrants for suspects’ emails. With traditional searches or wiretaps, the government is often required to notify people they have been searched after some period of time.

That’s not the case with digital communications like email, which is covered by legislation including the Electronic Communications Privacy Act (ECPA).


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oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
April 14 2016 19:38 GMT
#72155
http://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2016/4/14/11421744/bernie-sanders-tax-revolution

gee i wonder why these highly informed voters would do this
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
April 14 2016 19:41 GMT
#72156
Sen. Ted Cruz (R-TX) has decided he may want some help from Washington after all to stop Trump.

But alas, his entreaties to his Senate colleagues aren't going very well.

Cruz is facing varied and dynamic obstacles in his quest to build support on the Hill. Some senators are stubbornly nursing grudges against the freshman senator's 2013 government shutdown gambit or any other number of slights and affronts he committed as a freshman senator that made him deeply unpopular. Other senators endorsed candidates who already dropped out of the race and are unwilling to repeat that mistake with Donald Trump the clear frontrunner and Cruz likely needing a contested convention to win the nomination.

Ultimately, Cruz is little more than a polarizing colleague asking individual senators to go out on a limb for him on his long-shot bid to deny Trump the nomination. It's a request that makes for sometimes awkward private conversations.

According to one Republican senator, who was given anonymity to disclose details about the conversation with Cruz he had, Cruz's pitch went beyond a standard courtesy call.

"It wasn't a short phone call," the Republican senator said. "It wasn't a hello, help me phone call."

The senator said Cruz's pitch is that even though he had disagreements with the conference on strategy, he and his colleagues had shared the same goals.

Cruz has been reaching out both by phone and in person to make appeals to senators. He spoke directly with Sen. Cory Gardner (R-CO) when he was in Colorado last weekend and talked on the telephone with freshman South Carolina Sen. Tim Scott last week. He's also dispatched his only two Senate supporters so far Sens. Mike Lee (R-Utah) and onetime adversary Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.) to make appeals on the Hill in his stead.


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"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
OtherWorld
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
France17333 Posts
April 14 2016 19:57 GMT
#72157
On April 15 2016 04:33 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Show nested quote +
Microsoft sued the US government on Thursday for the right to tell customers when authorities search their email inboxes.

In a federal complaint that names the US attorney general, Loretta Lynch, the company argues the government has taken advantage of the consumer trend for storing their private data on tech companies’ servers, rather than storing it on their own devices. This shouldn’t let the government search the digital equivalent of a person’s desk without telling them, Microsoft argues.

The government counters that doing so may tip off suspects of a criminal investigation.

The salvo marks the latest effort by a major US technology firm to lift the veil of secrecy surrounding modern electronic surveillance. It comes after several attempts in recent years by Twitter, Google and Microsoft to have gag orders about surveillance requests removed. The industry has a renewed confidence in taking on the government following Apple’s recent stare-down with the Federal Bureau of Investigation.

In this case, Microsoft wants a judge to rule a statute unconstitutional that allows the government to request indefinite gag orders on warrants for suspects’ emails. With traditional searches or wiretaps, the government is often required to notify people they have been searched after some period of time.

That’s not the case with digital communications like email, which is covered by legislation including the Electronic Communications Privacy Act (ECPA).


Source

I fully support Microsoft on this one
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CannonsNCarriers
Profile Joined April 2010
United States638 Posts
April 14 2016 20:30 GMT
#72158
On April 15 2016 04:38 oneofthem wrote:
http://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2016/4/14/11421744/bernie-sanders-tax-revolution

gee i wonder why these highly informed voters would do this


These results are entirely consistent with the history of America, where political revolutions are profoundly rare and only tend to occur during devastating wars. LBJ's Medicare and Obama's ACA were departures from the norm of limited change. Yet here we have Bernie running on a radical revolution that will convince even Republicans to support single payer.
Dun tuch my cheezbrgr
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-04-14 21:49:29
April 14 2016 21:49 GMT
#72159
Sen. Mark Kirk isn’t just distancing himself from the rest of the GOP — he’s fleeing from it.

From the Supreme Court vacancy battle to gay rights to criminal justice reform, the moderate Illinois Republican is sounding more like a Democrat with each passing day as he fights to save his political life in an overwhelmingly blue state this fall.

Kirk is one of just two outliers in the Senate GOP Conference on whether the chamber should vote on Merrick Garland for the Supreme Court this year and has bent over backward to show he disagrees with his fellow Republicans. Aside from telling other Republicans to “man up” and vote on President Barack Obama’s nominee, Kirk has circulated memos to Republicans touting Garland and boasted about a personal note from Obama thanking Kirk for advocating for his nominee.

Just this week, Kirk co-sponsored a criminal justice reform bill that would loosen some mandatory minimum sentences, despite complaints within the GOP that it would unwittingly release violent criminals early from prison. And he joined with five of the most liberal senators to urge the NBA to move its 2017 All-Star Game out of Charlotte, North Carolina, in response to the state’s controversial new law that bans anti-discrimination protections for gay and transgender people.

Kirk’s strategy is dictated by his home state’s leftward bent: His Democratic challenger, Tammy Duckworth, may need to do little more than emphasize her party label to oust him in November. Kirk has long been considered the most endangered GOP incumbent in an awful year for Republican senators trying to get reelected. The party is defending 24 seats, and one of two divisive figures, Donald Trump or Ted Cruz, is likely to be leading its ticket.

“For me, it’s just Mark Kirk being Mark Kirk, because I was always very independent of my party in the House, as well as in the Senate,” Kirk, a former House member, said in an interview with Politico on Wednesday. “I think for Illinois, they want a thoughtful, independent voice and not just a party Xerox.”

There has been little public polling in the Illinois Senate race; the most recent was in July from the Democratic firm Public Policy Polling, and it showed Duckworth defeating Kirk, 42 percent to 36 percent. Though she faced an intraparty challenge from former Chicago Urban League CEO Andrea Zopp, Duckworth left the March primary mostly unscathed.


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"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Yoav
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1874 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-04-14 23:11:16
April 14 2016 22:59 GMT
#72160
Can we all reflect for a moment on the indignity of the last remaining moderate Republican in the Senate's likely loss to a somebody named "Tammy Duckworth?"
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