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oneofthem
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
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Soularion
Canada2764 Posts
On March 23 2016 23:22 Kipsate wrote: Not sure how the polls look(or whether they should be trusted) but Clinton is a two-time New York Senator and NY has a significant minority, would be a HUGE upset if she doesn't win this (if any she might win this by a landslide). She's leading by about ~50 points in the one poll made, but it's not really accurate. The one poll out for Utah had Sanders tied with Clinton and Sanders ended up leading by about 60 points. Still, it'd be the biggest upset of the race (and potentially one of the biggest upsets ever) if Sanders won. He'll need a lot of momentum with these states, but it's probably not impossible. | ||
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WhiteDog
France8650 Posts
On March 23 2016 22:40 oneofthem wrote: sandernistas is really strong in rural white places with not much contact with modern world Those damn poors, it's way better when they don't vote. | ||
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farvacola
United States18845 Posts
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Soularion
Canada2764 Posts
Just for clarity- there is a lot of very concrete evidence for voter suppression. For example, 60 polling places vs 200 in 2008 despite increased turnout, lines going until midnight, no exit polls, etc. A lot of this doesn't point to 'oh Clinton didn't deserve to win the state', but it does point to general fishiness without reason. | ||
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jcarlsoniv
United States27922 Posts
On March 23 2016 23:25 Soularion wrote: She's leading by about ~50 points in the one poll made, but it's not really accurate. The one poll out for Utah had Sanders tied with Clinton and Sanders ended up leading by about 60 points. Still, it'd be the biggest upset of the race (and potentially one of the biggest upsets ever) if Sanders won. He'll need a lot of momentum with these states, but it's probably not impossible. The thing that will hurt Sanders most will be the fact that the deadline for New York party switching was back in October. New voter registration ends not too far from now, and I know a fair amount of volunteering has been going towards that recently. | ||
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Soularion
Canada2764 Posts
On March 23 2016 23:44 jcarlsoniv wrote: The thing that will hurt Sanders most will be the fact that the deadline for New York party switching was back in October. New voter registration ends not too far from now, and I know a fair amount of volunteering has been going towards that recently. Yeah, it's gonna be hard. A win for Sanders in New York makes him the frontrunner in my eyes, but it's a shot that might even be smaller than Michigan. Does that mean it's worth giving up? Nope. Can he win the election without New York? ... Probably not. It'd be one-in-a-hundred odds of him either winning New York or winning without New York, but hey. Crazy shit happens. | ||
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farvacola
United States18845 Posts
On March 23 2016 23:43 Soularion wrote: I predict we'll see a good amount of backlash against the entire Arizona democratic primary stuff as a lot of it does seem suspect. I'm not much of a conspiracy theorist - like, I didn't get into the Iowa stuff at all - but some of it does seem quite fishy and very voter-suppression-y. Doesn't mean that the election was stolen from Bernie or anything like that, but the presence of such measures comes off as deceitful and gross-feeling whether it helps Bernie or Clinton, and should probably be investigated or at least brought up especially by Bernie who has the most to gain. Just for clarity- there is a lot of very concrete evidence for voter suppression. For example, 60 polling places vs 200 in 2008 despite increased turnout, lines going until midnight, no exit polls, etc. A lot of this doesn't point to 'oh Clinton didn't deserve to win the state', but it does point to general fishiness without reason. Yes, I think so too. Hillary and her fans would do well to not pretend otherwise. | ||
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oneofthem
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
the kind of wish fulfillment driven fantasy espoused by sanders is counterproductive. his supporters are also the more privileged but dumb and detached millenials | ||
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farvacola
United States18845 Posts
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corumjhaelen
France6884 Posts
 Also lol at the socialist policies I have a hard time finding on Bernie's platform (a pity btw :p ), let's add a bit of dishonesty. I'll add I find it equally "dumb" to lump Trump supporters under the same dumb adjective to be clear It's not about getting personnal or whatever. | ||
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Mohdoo
United States15726 Posts
On March 24 2016 00:04 corumjhaelen wrote: U dumb, and certainly priviliged and millenial. But it must be the other camp Also lol at the socialist policies I have a hard time finding on Bernie's platform (a pity btw :p ), let's add a bit of dishonesty. I'll add I find it equally "dumb" to lump Trump supporters under the same dumb adjective to be clear It's not about getting personnal or whatever. I do not understand your post. | ||
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jcarlsoniv
United States27922 Posts
Generalizations are bad, mmkay? That's what I got out of it at least. Although at this point I'm strongly disregarding oneofthem's posts entirely | ||
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oneofthem
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
if sandernistas think this stuff will save the country they are plain misinformed. as far as my idea of the representative sanders voter, it's not reddit obviously but small town, conservative leaning whites with a lot of frustration and misunderstandings about newfangled institutions. i've made this plenty clear in the past. it's just more fun to laugh at the reddit millennial ones. | ||
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corumjhaelen
France6884 Posts
On March 24 2016 00:16 oneofthem wrote: the big item sanders expansions in government benefits, healthcare/college, are mostly for the lower middle class. poor people have medicaid and would not receive most of the benefit from free public colleges. the reason why sanders chose healthcare and education as the two big items is his longtime fascination with the socialist model, including places like cuba. he always would cite literacy rate and healthcare coverage as the pros of the socialist system. so it is not all that unfair to him to call his own platform socialist as this is the way he would see it. the nationalist oriented policy on trade is also severely detrimental to the poor. if sandernistas think this stuff will save the country they are plain misinformed. as far as my idea of the representative sanders voter, it's not reddit obviously but small town, conservative leaning whites with a lot of frustration and misunderstandings about newfangled institutions. i've made this plenty clear in the past. it's just more fun to laugh at the reddit millennial ones. And professors of philosophy too ! Healthcare and education are socialist, because Cuba is too, mmmmh, I think we have a great syllogism right here. | ||
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Kipsate
Netherlands45349 Posts
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corumjhaelen
France6884 Posts
I also love the anti trade label oneofthem as forged. Guys, Bernie doesn't want you to buy tomatoes. | ||
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farvacola
United States18845 Posts
FLINT, MI – Primary responsibility for the Flint water crisis lies with the Michigan Department of Environmental Quality, according to the final report of a governor-appointed task force examining the city's water woes. The report, released Wednesday, March 23, includes 36 findings and 44 recommendations for state and local officials following the crisis. The 62-page report chides the DEQ's handling of the crisis, and knocks the ongoing effort of state officials to place blame for the crisis at multiple levels of government. "Even as the state is aggressively engaged in mitigation efforts in Flint, the statement that the Flint water crisis was a local, state, and federal failure implies that blame is attributable equally to all three levels of government," the report claims. "Primary responsibility for the water contamination in Flint lies with MDEQ." The report also blames the Environmental Protection Agency of delaying enforcement of the Safe Drinking Water Act and Lead and Copper Rule, which prolonged the effects of the water crisis. Ultimately, accountability for executive office decisions rests with Gov. Rick Snyder, the report concludes. Snyder is expected to meet Thursday morning with media members at Mott Community College to discuss the report's findings. The report goes on to acknowledge the steps the governor's office has taken to rectify the situation, including the state declaration of emergency, the establishment of both the Flint Water Inter-Agency Coordinating Council and Mission Flint, additional funding for addressing the health issues faced by lead-poisoned children in Flint, partial reimbursement for water bills paid during the time of lead contamination and progress on a plan to replace lead service lines. Flint water task force places blame for crisis with the state | ||
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puerk
Germany855 Posts
On March 23 2016 23:50 oneofthem wrote: not supporting socialist policies doesnt mean a disregard for poor or left behind people. it is actually the opposite. you need sustainable solution in the new global system. the kind of wish fulfillment driven fantasy espoused by sanders is counterproductive. his supporters are also the more privileged but dumb and detached millenials what policies regarding the poor do you actually support? what is that "sustainable solution"? | ||
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ticklishmusic
United States15977 Posts
A pattern that has grown very, very irritating for me is for some Bernie supporters to seed the idea that there's irregularities with voting, and depending on how favorable the results, for that to either quietly disappear or turn into cries of full blown voter suppression. It's even worse now the official campaign (Jeff Weaver) is towing the line. It's like having to listen to Karl Rove complain about Ohio every week, except it's annoying instead of funny. Also you are completely delusional to think Sanders is going to win New York. Unless NYC suddenly decides to not vote en masse (with the exception of NYU), Sanders is gonna get blown out. Unless you've forgotten, Wall Street is in New York. Also to all the Europeans in this thread, it's nice to have you but if you don't understand that the US is a vastly different place from wherever you're from and as a result has vastly different policies and potential policies then please do your reading before commenting. | ||
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