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GreenHorizons
United States24504 Posts
On March 23 2016 15:35 kwizach wrote: Utah called for Cruz! Clinton looking to be ahead of her targets for the night  Only if you ignore that they are totally misreporting the results of Arizona and have been all night. | ||
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kwizach
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GreenHorizons
United States24504 Posts
On March 23 2016 15:38 kwizach wrote: Rolling Stones is apparently endorsing Clinton for president in their next issue: + Show Spoiler + This is hilarious. | ||
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Slaughter
United States20255 Posts
On March 23 2016 15:36 GreenHorizons wrote: Only if you ignore that they are totally misreporting the results of Arizona and have been all night. So you think the final vote will be closer in Arizona? | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States24504 Posts
On March 23 2016 15:47 Slaughter wrote: So you think the final vote will be closer in Arizona? Undoubtedly. On both sides. | ||
Kipsate
Netherlands45349 Posts
how much is Utah worth? | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States24504 Posts
On March 23 2016 15:56 Kipsate wrote: 4 delegates win for Bernie, thats not really a win how much is Utah worth? 23 in ID 33 UT He was supposed to get 14 and 19 | ||
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ZigguratOfUr
Iraq16955 Posts
On March 23 2016 15:56 Kipsate wrote: 4 delegates win for Bernie, thats not really a win how much is Utah worth? 33. So 10 still undecided. | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States24504 Posts
People are still in line in Arizona after midnight... Democrats need to unite around fixing this. We can NOT allow this to happen in NY and CA that would be a disaster at that scale. People have spent 5+ hours in line. Keep in mind you would legally get a lunch break if it was a job. EDIT: I'm just wondering if the Hillary supporters are ignoring it because they know it reflects poorly or if they are genuinely denying it's a problem? | ||
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On_Slaught
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GreenHorizons
United States24504 Posts
On March 23 2016 16:35 On_Slaught wrote: Even if Hillary loses a few in the delegate lead, she increases her popular vote lead, which will be just as important come convention. It looks like there's pretty clear it wasn't just rolls not being updated but election fraud. https://vid.me/KKWP You can see the signature is identical on 2 different documents. I'm sure someone will call it some conspiracy, but it's beyond obvious at this point. _______________________________________________________________________________________________________ Bernie is coming back to Seattle to embarrass Hillary's pep rally at that high school up north. He's coming to Safeco Field (capacity 54,000+) Ded campaign is ded. | ||
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iPlaY.NettleS
Australia4462 Posts
On March 23 2016 15:38 kwizach wrote: Rolling Stones is apparently endorsing Clinton for president in their next issue: Aww thats cute They think they're relevant | ||
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On_Slaught
United States12190 Posts
On March 23 2016 16:38 GreenHorizons wrote: It looks like there's pretty clear it wasn't just rolls not being updated but election fraud. https://vid.me/KKWP You can see the signature is identical on 2 different documents. I'm sure someone will call it some conspiracy, but it's beyond obvious at this point. _______________________________________________________________________________________________________ Bernie is coming back to Seattle to embarrass Hillary's pep rally at that high school up north. He's coming to Safeco Field (capacity 54,000+) Ded campaign is ded. Not sure what you want us to say. If there is obvious evidence of electoral fraud then Sanders has legal recourse. | ||
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Kipsate
Netherlands45349 Posts
Bernie's campaign is dead insofar of getting the democratic nomination, insofar as spreading his message it most certainly is not. With a bit of luck this will influence people when Congress is up for rellection but I somehow doubt it. | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States24504 Posts
On March 23 2016 17:26 On_Slaught wrote: Not sure what you want us to say. If there is obvious evidence of electoral fraud then Sanders has legal recourse. At least something like kip. If people were being disenfranchised, I'd expect either candidate to stand up for the other. On March 23 2016 17:30 Kipsate wrote: That people have to wait in line so long is stupid but also exists on both sides, has been a problem not just in Arizona. Thats not electoral fraud thats incompetence in general, if real ground for electroral fraud exists then something will be done about it. Bernie's campaign is dead insofar of getting the democratic nomination, insofar as spreading his message it most certainly is not. With a bit of luck this will influence people when Congress is up for rellection but I somehow doubt it. Well neither is likely to get enough for the nomination through pledged delegates. Maybe Bernie if he gets more blow outs like he did tonight despite the problems across the contests. Are we still just chalking all these repeated problems up to coincidence incompetence and such? | ||
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Kipsate
Netherlands45349 Posts
Are we still just chalking all these repeated problems up to coincidence incompetence and such? It exists on all sides, not just democratic but also Republican, it has been existing through the primaries, not just Arizona. | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States24504 Posts
On March 23 2016 17:41 Kipsate wrote: For the record I find the whole primary system to be odd and the incompetence of voting machines, processing, registering to vote if not locked out etc to be ridicilous but unfortunately that won't change this election. The higher turnout has esp been a problem among independents and Republicans from what I know, too many people want to vote but not enough stations etc are ready for it. Granted America has a much higher population and geographical divide then Europe but the "bastion" of democracy shouldn't have these problems to this degree, it makes you wonder how much influence it has. How many people you think saw a 4-5 hour line on their local news and thought to themselves "I should go wait in that!"? Especially after a long day at work...? Possibly an early day again tomorrow? I don't think I can take anyone seriously who suggests that doesn't have a significant impact. Yes it's happening on both sides and there's reasons for overlap but some significant differences as well. | ||
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kwizach
3658 Posts
On March 23 2016 17:30 Kipsate wrote: That people have to wait in line so long is stupid but also exists on both sides, has been a problem not just in Arizona. Thats not electoral fraud thats incompetence in general, if real ground for electroral fraud exists then something will be done about it. Bernie's campaign is dead insofar of getting the democratic nomination, insofar as spreading his message it most certainly is not. With a bit of luck this will influence people when Congress is up for rellection but I somehow doubt it. Exactly. The problem, though, is that even though it's Sanders who's been calling for a "political revolution", it's actually Clinton who's been doing the work of supporting Democrats down-ballot for November. She's raised more than 20,000,000$ so far (and given about 10 million already) to help local Democrats in their elections. Sanders has done none of that. That's why Hillary is really the better candidate to win big in November, so it's great that she's indeed going to be the nominee. And yeah, the long lines are ridiculous. Come general election, it's virtually always the Republicans who try to limit early voting days to make it harder for the Democrat electorate to go vote. In this case, in Arizona, it probably benefited Bernie considering I'm guessing young voters were more likely to stay in line than older voters, especially after Arizona was called for Hillary. | ||
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Kipsate
Netherlands45349 Posts
On March 23 2016 17:44 GreenHorizons wrote: How many people you think saw a 4-5 hour line on their local news and thought to themselves "I should go wait in that!"? Especially after a long day at work...? Possibly an early day again tomorrow? I don't think I can take anyone seriously who suggests that doesn't have a significant impact. Yes it's happening on both sides and there's reasons for overlap but some significant differences as well. What I mean is that yes it sucks yes its stupid but its not some conspiracy by Clinton, she too suffers from this, if not now then during the General/National. Also not sure what you mean by blow out, presumably that means a victory. Sanders has to win each state really hard to actually win, upholding the status quo in terms of number of delegates favours Clinton, esp given the amount of pledged superdelegates she has too. The end result of today is a marginal amount of more delegates for Bernie then Clinton, thats not nearly enough, thats a loss. | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States24504 Posts
Yeah this time it probably hurt her a bit, but there was still a huge early vote (indicated by the media misreporting results) that was unaffected. But beyond the basic voting problems there were and have been in several states many other issues that just keep getting blown off and at some point it just gets ridiculous. ________________________________________________________________________________________________________ In a surprise announcement, Jeb Bush will endorse Ted Cruz on Wednesday as an antidote to the “divisiveness and vulgarity” of Donald Trump, providing a badly needed boost to the Texas senator – but it’s one that comes dangerously late in a game that Trump is dominating. Cruz, in New York City on Wednesday, planned to celebrate with a victory lap of three network morning shows. The endorsement comes 32 days after a beaten Bush dropped out of the GOP presidential race, and eight days since Sen. Marco Rubio abandoned his own quest after being rebuffed by Bush, his fellow Floridian and one-time mentor. Bush says in a statement to be released by the Cruz campaign: “Ted is a consistent, principled conservative who has demonstrated the ability to appeal to voters and win primary contests.” “For the sake of our party and country, we must move to overcome the divisiveness and vulgarity Donald Trump has brought into the political arena, or we will certainly lose our chance to defeat the Democratic nominee and reverse President Obama’s failed policies,” the statement continues. Source So that's happening... | ||
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