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On March 17 2016 21:21 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2016 10:05 wei2coolman wrote:
Can't wait for Trump in the general election debates to toss out this line:
"If Hillary can't even satisfy Bill, how can she satisfy America?" How about a picture of Monica Lewinski deepthroating Florida. But really, that first attack ad was pathetic. I didn't think it was at all an attack, because it's very obvious that Hilary is completely not-serious. In fact, if I were in the business of making attack ads for Hilary, I would simply copypaste that entire ads and find a clip of Drumpf saying something moronic (plenty of choice)... such as "I have the very best words!" and then cut back to Putin laughing.
Doesn't matter whether or not you think that she is serious or not, it all depends on the majority viewer's perception.
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On March 17 2016 12:21 SK.Testie wrote:
Again, the excuse you used was for a protester who was about to commit an aggressive act. Throwing something at a candidate. Retaliation is not the same as initiation. If you're going to be willing to go to Trumps rallies and start swinging, don't be surprised if someone swings back.
You keep moving between "he's not inciting violence" and "he's right to incite violence". That's kettle logic. It's impossible for you to be right on both fronts. Either he doesn't incite violence, and you can't say he's justified in doing so as you do here, or he does incite violence, and you can't criticize others for saying he does. It's that simple.
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On March 17 2016 15:12 GreenHorizons wrote:
I have a feeling while Hillary is going to be losing states and taking shots from Trump, Hillary supporters are going to miss Bernie Sanders supporters and our "artful smears".
I just hope Trump hops on the #ReleaseTheTranscripts train and pushes her to shut down her superPAC since she's the only contender who still has one at this point.
Y'all thought we had a tenuous relationship with reality, we got nothing on Trump supporters.
Bernie is running as a democrat. Comparing Trump to the Bernie campaign is kind of proving the point. We aren't enemies.
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On March 17 2016 22:24 Mohdoo wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2016 15:12 GreenHorizons wrote:
I have a feeling while Hillary is going to be losing states and taking shots from Trump, Hillary supporters are going to miss Bernie Sanders supporters and our "artful smears".
I just hope Trump hops on the #ReleaseTheTranscripts train and pushes her to shut down her superPAC since she's the only contender who still has one at this point.
Y'all thought we had a tenuous relationship with reality, we got nothing on Trump supporters. Bernie is running as a democrat. Comparing Trump to the Bernie campaign is kind of proving the point. We aren't enemies.
Look I really wish Hillary manages to beat Trump, I have concerns that she won't but I do hope so, just as I hoped Chirac would beat Le Pen at that time even though I have no love for Chirac. But you really need to spend some time in a non-warped political party system if you really believe moderate left and moderate right are on the same side because they're both democrats.
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On March 17 2016 15:12 GreenHorizons wrote:
I have a feeling while Hillary is going to be losing states and taking shots from Trump, Hillary supporters are going to miss Bernie Sanders supporters and our "artful smears".
I just hope Trump hops on the #ReleaseTheTranscripts train and pushes her to shut down her superPAC since she's the only contender who still has one at this point.
Y'all thought we had a tenuous relationship with reality, we got nothing on Trump supporters.
TBH I personally just expected better from Bernie and supporters. Maybe I shouldn't have?
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On March 17 2016 22:49 ticklishmusic wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2016 15:12 GreenHorizons wrote:
I have a feeling while Hillary is going to be losing states and taking shots from Trump, Hillary supporters are going to miss Bernie Sanders supporters and our "artful smears".
I just hope Trump hops on the #ReleaseTheTranscripts train and pushes her to shut down her superPAC since she's the only contender who still has one at this point.
Y'all thought we had a tenuous relationship with reality, we got nothing on Trump supporters. TBH I personally just expected better from Bernie and supporters. Maybe I shouldn't have?
This is a revolution, man, didn't you hear? REVOLUTION! KEEP FIGHTING! STILLBERNIE! Why would they ease up when corporate oligarchs don't ease up on the middle class? If they don't fight, the planet will be lost to lobbyists and superpacs. The fate of the fucking UNIVERSE is in their hands and you are asking for "better" from them!? Do you WANT banks ruling your children's lives?
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i think leftists have some sort of heightened expectations when it comes to the purity of leftleaning politicians. then they allow that to spill over outside of the bubble of internal democratic party politics.
it's a pattern of behavior common to these revolutionary groups and pretty dumb.
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^that's not unique to the left at all.......
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On March 17 2016 23:07 farvacola wrote:
^that's not unique to the left at all.......
Not sure he's saying it is. But he's right about it happening, and it being kinda dumb.
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On March 17 2016 22:49 ticklishmusic wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2016 15:12 GreenHorizons wrote:
I have a feeling while Hillary is going to be losing states and taking shots from Trump, Hillary supporters are going to miss Bernie Sanders supporters and our "artful smears".
I just hope Trump hops on the #ReleaseTheTranscripts train and pushes her to shut down her superPAC since she's the only contender who still has one at this point.
Y'all thought we had a tenuous relationship with reality, we got nothing on Trump supporters. TBH I personally just expected better from Bernie and supporters. Maybe I shouldn't have?
Does it bother you that the post in which you're disappointed in Bernie supporters because you thought they would stay civil and not attack her over legitimate concerns is located in the middle of a string of posts in which your camp mocks and smears ours generally for wanting good things?
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On March 17 2016 23:14 Nebuchad wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2016 22:49 ticklishmusic wrote:On March 17 2016 15:12 GreenHorizons wrote:
I have a feeling while Hillary is going to be losing states and taking shots from Trump, Hillary supporters are going to miss Bernie Sanders supporters and our "artful smears".
I just hope Trump hops on the #ReleaseTheTranscripts train and pushes her to shut down her superPAC since she's the only contender who still has one at this point.
Y'all thought we had a tenuous relationship with reality, we got nothing on Trump supporters. TBH I personally just expected better from Bernie and supporters. Maybe I shouldn't have? Does it bother you that the post in which you're disappointed in Bernie supporters because you thought they would stay civil and not attack her is located in the middle of a string of posts in which your camp mocks and smears ours generally for wanting good things?
What? Fairly certain the last 20 pages or so are TRUMP TRUMP TRUMP TRUMP. Maybe the odd Kwizach is lamenting why Bernie hasn't dropped out yet, but haven't read any smears other than calling most Bernie supporters somewhat delusional, which is probably true given the state of the primary.
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On March 17 2016 23:14 Nebuchad wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2016 22:49 ticklishmusic wrote:On March 17 2016 15:12 GreenHorizons wrote:
I have a feeling while Hillary is going to be losing states and taking shots from Trump, Hillary supporters are going to miss Bernie Sanders supporters and our "artful smears".
I just hope Trump hops on the #ReleaseTheTranscripts train and pushes her to shut down her superPAC since she's the only contender who still has one at this point.
Y'all thought we had a tenuous relationship with reality, we got nothing on Trump supporters. TBH I personally just expected better from Bernie and supporters. Maybe I shouldn't have? Does it bother you that the post in which you're disappointed in Bernie supporters because you thought they would stay civil and not attack her is located in the middle of a string of posts in which your camp mocks and smears ours generally for wanting good things?
Wanting good things is different from blindly attacking the nominee. Hilary Clinton is the nominee and Sanders does not have a chance. It's truly bizarre watching gh and others say it isn't true. This is some kinda suicide bombing nonsense. The campaign is dead, but Sanders keeps attacking Clinton. The good thing to do would be to make the campaign all about spreading the message at this point. Going on and on about wall st does nothing for spreading his message. Bernie only exists to lower turnout at this point.
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On March 17 2016 23:14 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2016 23:07 farvacola wrote:
^that's not unique to the left at all....... Not sure he's saying it is. But he's right about it happening, and it being kinda dumb.
I'm not sure it's fair to regard the tendency of the more ideologically fervent segments of a party as "dumb" because they desire a more "pure" candidate. Sure, that can harm that party's chances of electing a candidate, but that's how consensus works, though that fact seems to elude many of this threads democrats.
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Mainstream democrats' expectation that Bernie supporters will simply tow the party line and fully support Hillary at this point are misplaced and unreasonable. Hillary represents much of what Bernie is diametrically opposed to.
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Voters don't think nor vote diametrically.
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On March 17 2016 23:20 xDaunt wrote:
Mainstream democrats' expectation that Bernie supporters will simply tow the party line and fully support Hillary at this point are misplaced and unreasonable. Hillary represents much of what Bernie is diametrically opposed to.
You came around from whatever conservative you were supporting to stumping for Trump...
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On March 17 2016 23:20 xDaunt wrote:
Mainstream democrats' expectation that Bernie supporters will simply tow the party line and fully support Hillary at this point are misplaced and unreasonable. Hillary represents much of what Bernie is diametrically opposed to.
It made sense to go ham on her up until the math stopped being feasible. When he crossed the line of needing a 57-43 average win across *every state*, including (large) states she is currently positioned to win, it became madness. If he had even a glimmer of hope, maybe. But when the campaign is being run for symbolic reasons, it doesn't make sense to keep attacking the winner.
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On March 17 2016 23:22 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2016 23:20 xDaunt wrote:
Mainstream democrats' expectation that Bernie supporters will simply tow the party line and fully support Hillary at this point are misplaced and unreasonable. Hillary represents much of what Bernie is diametrically opposed to. You came around from whatever conservative you were supporting to stumping for Trump...
Yes, because I'm not a pure ideologue.
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On March 17 2016 23:18 Mohdoo wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2016 23:14 Nebuchad wrote:On March 17 2016 22:49 ticklishmusic wrote:On March 17 2016 15:12 GreenHorizons wrote:
I have a feeling while Hillary is going to be losing states and taking shots from Trump, Hillary supporters are going to miss Bernie Sanders supporters and our "artful smears".
I just hope Trump hops on the #ReleaseTheTranscripts train and pushes her to shut down her superPAC since she's the only contender who still has one at this point.
Y'all thought we had a tenuous relationship with reality, we got nothing on Trump supporters. TBH I personally just expected better from Bernie and supporters. Maybe I shouldn't have? Does it bother you that the post in which you're disappointed in Bernie supporters because you thought they would stay civil and not attack her is located in the middle of a string of posts in which your camp mocks and smears ours generally for wanting good things? Wanting good things is different from blindly attacking the nominee. Hilary Clinton is the nominee and Sanders does not have a chance. It's truly bizarre watching gh and others say it isn't true. This is some kinda suicide bombing nonsense. The campaign is dead, but Sanders keeps attacking Clinton. The good thing to do would be to make the campaign all about spreading the message at this point. Going on and on about wall st does nothing for spreading his message. Bernie only exists to lower turnout at this point.
If Sanders pulls out now, Clinton has no incentive to veer to the left anymore. By staying in there he can keep his message relevant longer in the campaign and force her program to the left. Even if he doesn't have a chance, which is probably right, he still shouldn't stop now.
If you don't want a low turnout, don't choose the two most disliked people as your nominees...
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On March 17 2016 23:20 farvacola wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2016 23:14 Acrofales wrote:On March 17 2016 23:07 farvacola wrote:
^that's not unique to the left at all....... Not sure he's saying it is. But he's right about it happening, and it being kinda dumb. I'm not sure it's fair to regard the tendency of the more ideologically fervent segments of a party as "dumb" because they desire a more "pure" candidate. Sure, that can harm that party's chances of electing a candidate, but that's how consensus works, though that fact seems to elude many of this threads democrats.
What would you say is *not* dumb about failing to recognize the diversity of our country? People who freak out about super "pure" candidates are not taking a moment to realize this is an election with a wide range of voters. A lot of people have heard a lot about Bernie and still do not like what he has to say. It is dumb because it is, quite frankly, ignorant. It isn't a realistic perspective. Huckabee isn't getting elected. Cruz isn't getting elected. Sanders isn't getting elected either. When a candidate is so extreme in a certain way, it is not reasonable to expect a massive range of views to support that. That's the point of being extreme, you are very far from the average. When you consider what % of our country thinks very poorly of socialism, the idea of running a campaign that says socialism is better than capitalism is just madness. I've always said Bernie's campaign was dead the moment he said socialism. The "dumb" people do not realize how true that is because of how diverse our country is. It is blind, unrealistic nonsense to have ever expected Bernie to be president.
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