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Stratos_speAr
Profile Joined May 2009
United States6959 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-03-17 05:32:12
March 17 2016 05:32 GMT
#67461
On March 17 2016 14:12 ErectedZenith wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 17 2016 14:09 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
On March 17 2016 13:42 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:
Lets get one thing clear here.
Trump is being attacked because he is a huge threat to the establishment.


That's one of the many reasons, yes.


Its the primary reason.


It has nothing to do with the blatantly racist and sexist shit he says? Or the fact that he actively advocates for violating people's human rights? Or that he advocates for borderline fascist government policies?

Nope, sure doesn't have anything to do with any of that shit. It's all just because he's anti-establishment. /s
A sound mind in a sound body, is a short, but full description of a happy state in this World: he that has these two, has little more to wish for; and he that wants either of them, will be little the better for anything else.
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
March 17 2016 05:34 GMT
#67462
On March 17 2016 14:31 JW_DTLA wrote:
Who is/are the Republican establishment? Can we get some names?

Reince Priebus.
Mitch McConnell.
Roger Ailes.
Paul Ryan.
Marco Rubio.

Who else?


The artist formerly known as Jeb
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TheTenthDoc
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9561 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-03-17 05:46:29
March 17 2016 05:43 GMT
#67463
On March 17 2016 14:26 Danglars wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 17 2016 13:20 TheTenthDoc wrote:
On March 17 2016 13:14 Danglars wrote:
On March 17 2016 12:17 TheTenthDoc wrote:
On March 17 2016 12:13 xDaunt wrote:
On March 17 2016 11:58 TheTenthDoc wrote:
I really thought you had the critical thinking not to pretzel for this guy, xDaunt.

Please. Defending Trump on these bullshit incitement of violence charges that are being recklessly thrown around by his opponents requires zero critical thinking. Y'all are the ones doing mental gymnastics trying to frame Trump as the next Hitler, complete with his own regiment of brown shirts.There are plenty of legitimate grounds on which to criticize Trump, but this isn't one of them. Unfortunately, many of you are too apoplectic to see it.


I don't think Trump is Hitler. I just think he's just a thuggish douchebag who doesn't do several things that I think decent human beings should do. I don't think I had to do any mental gymnastics to get to that point.

I mean I guess that doesn't disqualify him from being president-that has way more to do with just the moon base level policies he has-but I think it merits discussion in the thread.

Edit: I mean I don't really comprehend how people can watch his early debate performances and not conclude he's a douchebag and a bit thuggish rather than some super great guy beset by media harriers on all sides but that's just me

Edit2: For the record I watched the Apprentice for a couple years in high school and even then it was clear he was a thuggish douchebag

You don't think he's Hitler,

you just think he's a thuggish douchebag.

In fact you singled him out as such from celebrity show appearances.

Next up: Hillary supporters defend the accusation that she is a vengeful harpy. I see that also going places.


Would you rather I said "Donald Trump character"?

Because he plays the same character on the Apprentice (his brainchild, natch) that he did at the debates, I can assure you of that. The same one he plays at the rallies and ~1/2 his speeches. Unless you're counting the debates as celebrity show appearances too, which I guess they are.

And I can assure you that at some point during the debates Trump will imply Hillary is a vengeful harpy (already made a move tacitly calling her a bitch) so we have that to look forward to.

Edit: Thinking about it he was probably douchebaggier at the debates than on the show for the most part.

Edit2: Also all I'm doing is calling it like I see it. Isn't that one of the great attributes of Trump?

One more thing Trump has going for him. His opponents are easily characterized as humorless nitpickers. And they dive into the box willingly too! You can imagine the political commentators saying after the show how low-brow enjoying reality TV is and that they would never be caught watching it. Not the reality but the perception. His excesses get half the shock washed away because everybody seemed irate at the first syllable anyways.

Look at the coverage of the next Trump rally. The footage shows a guy that's clearly enjoying himself, firing off jokes everywhere, feeding off the excitement of the crowd that he doesn't really have to say anything. And they're talking about decorum and the dignity of presidential office. Jeb was gone from the first news cycle of "low energy." His TV critics fall into the same camp.

That's what came to my mind when I heard your thuggish douchebag. It telegraphs a yearning for a gentler pansified candidate, like some NPR broadcast on music. The word douchebag itself is overused by a certain crowd that you just wonder how many times racist/sexist/bigot/homophobe/misogynist will occur per sentence. (I say this knowing how disgusting some of his attacks were in later debates and rallies). I said earlier that personality charge was going nowhere in a debate thread, after some thought I now wonder why you picked those in the first place.


See, I just can't believe the only choices for him are between cartoonishly over the top taking-it-too-far oh-my-golly-gosh-did-he-really-say-that entertainer-in-chief and pansy. There's got to be a middle ground. And I don't think he'll convert to there any time soon; I'm not sure he could even if he wanted to given how much momentum the character has.

Until he does I will call out his more ridiculous antics that really highlight the excesses, and that's the context I called him a douchebag here; I view that particular interview as a spectacular opportunity to convert in a meaningful way with just a few words, but I can't help but think he knew the way he responded would get him more coverage and thus did it anyway for double the dick points.

And for the record I have tried to stay out of calling him a racist, sexist, bigot, or homophobe, if only because I think his persona is just kind of mean to everybody he doesn't want to appeal to at the moment rather than anyone in particular. Certainly I don't think Trump-as-human is any of those things, you're much better off as a businessman not being them.

(also The Apprentice was not a terrible show, even the critics liked the early seasons I think since it was the honeymoon season of reality TV alongside Survivor. CELEBRITY Apprentice, on the other hand...)
SK.Testie
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Canada11084 Posts
March 17 2016 05:59 GMT
#67464
On March 17 2016 14:32 Stratos_speAr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 17 2016 14:12 ErectedZenith wrote:
On March 17 2016 14:09 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
On March 17 2016 13:42 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:
Lets get one thing clear here.
Trump is being attacked because he is a huge threat to the establishment.


That's one of the many reasons, yes.


Its the primary reason.


It has nothing to do with the blatantly racist and sexist shit he says? Or the fact that he actively advocates for violating people's human rights? Or that he advocates for borderline fascist government policies?

Nope, sure doesn't have anything to do with any of that shit. It's all just because he's anti-establishment. /s


What racist comment did he say? It must have been pretty blatant and not taken out of context. He has a lot of black and latino endorsements now. He must have said something really bad for that to happen.
+ Show Spoiler +


Sexist? Man who hires women to head construction is sexist? I implore you to stop reading media headlines and do some research.
The man is tough, but fair. And he knows how to bring the banter and get a rise out of people. That doesn't prove sexism. A bit of a bully? Sure. But it's worked.

You don't have to worry about him being presidential in the future. He's already assured us that he has the best words.

I think he's proven over his lifetime he's not really racist. And he's not really sexist. Come on, Oprah loves the man. Get real arguments because the days of calling people racist, homophobic, and misogynists when they have real arguments to counter yours are over.
Social Justice is a fools errand. May all the adherents at its church be thwarted. Of all the religions I have come across, it is by far the most detestable.
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States23635 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-03-17 06:13:23
March 17 2016 06:12 GMT
#67465
I have a feeling while Hillary is going to be losing states and taking shots from Trump, Hillary supporters are going to miss Bernie Sanders supporters and our "artful smears".

I just hope Trump hops on the #ReleaseTheTranscripts train and pushes her to shut down her superPAC since she's the only contender who still has one at this point.

Y'all thought we had a tenuous relationship with reality, we got nothing on Trump supporters.
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
March 17 2016 06:15 GMT
#67466
https://www.reddit.com/r/casualiama/comments/41t0a1/i_gave_ted_cruz_a_blowjob_ama/

fun reading
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Doraemon
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
Australia14949 Posts
March 17 2016 06:34 GMT
#67467
oh wow. lol
Do yourself a favour and just STFU
iPlaY.NettleS
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Australia4383 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-03-17 06:50:05
March 17 2016 06:49 GMT
#67468
On March 17 2016 14:31 JW_DTLA wrote:
Who is/are the Republican establishment? Can we get some names?

Reince Priebus.
Mitch McConnell.
Roger Ailes.
Paul Ryan.
Marco Rubio.

Who else?

Koch bros.
Rupert Murdoch
Karl Rove
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7PvoI6gvQs
amazingxkcd
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
GRAND OLD AMERICA16375 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-03-17 08:06:31
March 17 2016 08:05 GMT
#67469
Clinton emails got wikileaked. It's quite scandalous

Happy digging boys and good luck in your searches!!!!

https://wikileaks.org/clinton-emails/
The world is burning and you rather be on this terrible website discussing video games and your shallow feelings
Liquid`Drone
Profile Joined September 2002
Norway28739 Posts
March 17 2016 08:31 GMT
#67470
On March 17 2016 12:21 darthfoley wrote:
What's even more funny is that Trump is a huge coward and has almost certainly never gotten into a fist fight in his life


He sucker punched Vince Mcmahon in their battle of the billionaires bit
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SK.Testie
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Canada11084 Posts
March 17 2016 09:03 GMT
#67471
On March 17 2016 17:31 Liquid`Drone wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 17 2016 12:21 darthfoley wrote:
What's even more funny is that Trump is a huge coward and has almost certainly never gotten into a fist fight in his life


He sucker punched Vince Mcmahon in their battle of the billionaires bit


This is my last trump shill for tonight, just for you. What a beautiful man.
Social Justice is a fools errand. May all the adherents at its church be thwarted. Of all the religions I have come across, it is by far the most detestable.
nojok
Profile Joined May 2011
France15845 Posts
March 17 2016 09:19 GMT
#67472
There is absolutely no fact in this video. I also think our generation is already selfish enough atm, humbleness is more important than self awarded greatness and goes a longer way in life imo.
"Back then teams that won were credited, now it's called throw. I think it's sad." - Kuroky - Flap Flap Wings!
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States23635 Posts
March 17 2016 09:37 GMT
#67473
On March 17 2016 18:03 SK.Testie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 17 2016 17:31 Liquid`Drone wrote:
On March 17 2016 12:21 darthfoley wrote:
What's even more funny is that Trump is a huge coward and has almost certainly never gotten into a fist fight in his life


He sucker punched Vince Mcmahon in their battle of the billionaires bit


This is my last trump shill for tonight, just for you. What a beautiful man.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=59aJn8Lk9zM&index=10&list=PLlbJNSc8JRlgYUoJDm_kueXC2Ls2aveht


That is some grade-A propaganda. I have to give it up to whoever put it together, it's very well done (too long, but well done).

That people are dense enough to fall for it, is a problem we can't blame on Trump. I have no doubt given a choice between America being great and him having to live poor, versus America not being great and him getting more wealthy, which he would pick.
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States45270 Posts
March 17 2016 11:07 GMT
#67474
On March 17 2016 15:15 ticklishmusic wrote:
https://www.reddit.com/r/casualiama/comments/41t0a1/i_gave_ted_cruz_a_blowjob_ama/

fun reading


"Well, I just lost a bet." LOL
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
DickMcFanny
Profile Blog Joined September 2015
Ireland1076 Posts
March 17 2016 11:12 GMT
#67475
On March 17 2016 15:15 ticklishmusic wrote:
https://www.reddit.com/r/casualiama/comments/41t0a1/i_gave_ted_cruz_a_blowjob_ama/

fun reading


First question:

Q: "Are you male or female"
F: "female"
Q: "Well, I lost a bet"
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zeo
Profile Joined October 2009
Serbia6336 Posts
March 17 2016 11:13 GMT
#67476
On March 17 2016 17:05 amazingxkcd wrote:
Clinton emails got wikileaked. It's quite scandalous

Happy digging boys and good luck in your searches!!!!

https://wikileaks.org/clinton-emails/

Are there any top secret confidential emails among them? This is everything from her private server right?
"No amount of evidence will ever persuade an idiot." - Mark Twain
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
March 17 2016 11:18 GMT
#67477
On March 17 2016 20:13 zeo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 17 2016 17:05 amazingxkcd wrote:
Clinton emails got wikileaked. It's quite scandalous

Happy digging boys and good luck in your searches!!!!

https://wikileaks.org/clinton-emails/

Are there any top secret confidential emails among them? This is everything from her private server right?

That is the best part of wikileaks, we will never know. They could even think it is everything and just be wrong.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
March 17 2016 12:00 GMT
#67478
On March 17 2016 20:13 zeo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 17 2016 17:05 amazingxkcd wrote:
Clinton emails got wikileaked. It's quite scandalous

Happy digging boys and good luck in your searches!!!!

https://wikileaks.org/clinton-emails/

Are there any top secret confidential emails among them? This is everything from her private server right?

they didnt leak anything lmao. they just put a krimlin spin on open government release from the u.s.
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18214 Posts
March 17 2016 12:21 GMT
#67479
On March 17 2016 10:05 wei2coolman wrote:
Can't wait for Trump in the general election debates to toss out this line:
"If Hillary can't even satisfy Bill, how can she satisfy America?"

How about a picture of Monica Lewinski deepthroating Florida.

But really, that first attack ad was pathetic. I didn't think it was at all an attack, because it's very obvious that Hilary is completely not-serious. In fact, if I were in the business of making attack ads for Hilary, I would simply copypaste that entire ads and find a clip of Drumpf saying something moronic (plenty of choice)... such as "I have the very best words!" and then cut back to Putin laughing.
Doublemint
Profile Joined July 2011
Austria8704 Posts
March 17 2016 12:43 GMT
#67480
trick is not to stoop to trump's level and lack of class. if you go there, he will beat you with experience. savagely. look at what he did to little marco and the rest of the gang.

an effective anti-trump ad is using trump's own words against him, just putting it in the right context. expose his bullshit positions and "solutions".

can't wait for the hillary machine to start rolling once the primary is over.
Pride goeth before destruction, and an haughty spirit before the fall.
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