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Gorsameth
Netherlands22675 Posts
On March 17 2016 01:03 Doodsmack wrote: For God and country, Paul Ryan, nominate yourself. And what will that do? there are only 2 possible scenario's left, a trump win or a brokered convention. If a brokered convention nominates Ryan, Trump is going to walk and take half the party with him. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On March 17 2016 01:09 Gorsameth wrote: And what will that do? there are only 2 possible scenario's left, a trump win or a brokered convention. If a brokered convention nominates Ryan, Trump is going to walk and take half the party with him. I think there are members of the Republican party that consider that a good plan. | ||
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Ghostcom
Denmark4783 Posts
EDIT: Well, every sensible person is probably a bit of a stretch, but it does seem like it could solve quite a few problems. | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands22675 Posts
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oneofthem
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
for those who want more coverage of socialism stuff yea form your own party then you can talk about it year round. meanwhile mainline dems will maneuver to govern with centrist republicans. overall result is probably a further rightward tilt | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On March 17 2016 01:14 Gorsameth wrote: Making more parties without reforming the entire process is pointless and will just hand the other side every win they could ever want. The primary process is based on and was created by the parties. They parties need to break up first, then the process can be changed to meet their needs. | ||
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ticklishmusic
United States15977 Posts
It's possible that in the Republican split scenario a few years down the road the Democratic party splits as well into the moderate vs. more progressive wings because it's okay to do so since the Republican party is fractured I guess. | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands22675 Posts
On March 17 2016 01:16 Plansix wrote: The primary process is based on and was created by the parties. They parties need to break up first, then the process can be changed to meet their needs. The primary process is not what creates the 2 party system. The entire election system in the US needs to change if you want to get rid of the 2 party system. | ||
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oneofthem
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
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Doodsmack
United States7224 Posts
On March 17 2016 01:08 ticklishmusic wrote: No reason for Paul Ryan to fall on the sword and ruin his promising career for a bunch of old angry white men who can't admit they lost. I'd feel a bit bad for him, but it would be great entertainment. He should do it for the country and for humanity, to torpedo Trump. | ||
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Mohdoo
United States15743 Posts
On March 17 2016 01:20 oneofthem wrote: http://www.theonion.com/article/precious-little-voter-needs-feel-inspired-candidat-52566 "I’m only going to cast a ballot for someone who actually provides real hope for the future of this country [because I need to feel all snuggly-wuggly and special]." Brilliant. Bunch of college kids jealous they didn't get to be a part of MLK's civil rights movement, so they make up their own stupid shit to feel like they are changing the world. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On March 17 2016 01:19 Gorsameth wrote: The primary process is not what creates the 2 party system. The entire election system in the US needs to change if you want to get rid of the 2 party system. ??? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_primary The series of presidential primary elections and caucuses held in each U.S. state and territory forms part of the nominating process of United States presidential elections. The United States Constitution has never specified the process; political parties have developed their own procedures over time. Some states hold only primary elections, some hold only caucuses, and others use a combination of both. Are you trying to gaslight me? The system was created by the political parties and has always been adapted around them. | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands22675 Posts
On March 17 2016 01:25 Plansix wrote: ??? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_primary Are you trying to gaslight me? The system was created by the political parties and has always been adapted around them. And again, that is not the reason that the US is a 2 party system. First To The Post elections for congress and the presidency ensures that coming second is coming last. This forces parties to consolidate together because alone they cannot win + Show Spoiler [example] + Party A get 40% of the vote, Party B gets 30%, Party C gets 20%, Party D gets 10%. If Party B and C can work together they will do so because together they can beat A but divided they both lose. So long as the general election, be it House, Senate or Presidential is Winner takes all the US will be a 2 party system. Regardless of how the primary process works. | ||
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Sbrubbles
Brazil5776 Posts
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OtherWorld
France17333 Posts
On March 17 2016 01:09 Gorsameth wrote: And what will that do? there are only 2 possible scenario's left, a trump win or a brokered convention. If a brokered convention nominates Ryan, Trump is going to walk and take half the party with him. Where will Trump's campaign money come from if he basically runs as a third man? | ||
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Mohdoo
United States15743 Posts
On March 17 2016 01:46 OtherWorld wrote: Where will Trump's campaign money come from if he basically runs as a third man? Trailer parks around the country. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
Someone read the NYT break down of his supporters. | ||
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JW_DTLA
242 Posts
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OtherWorld
France17333 Posts
On March 17 2016 01:13 Ghostcom wrote: Any sensible person would think that would be a good plan. The US desperately needs more parties to avoid the currently ongoing clown circus. EDIT: Well, every sensible person is probably a bit of a stretch, but it does seem like it could solve quite a few problems. Can't have more than 2 major parties if you don't have proportional parliamentary elections | ||
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ticklishmusic
United States15977 Posts
On March 17 2016 01:51 JW_DTLA wrote: Paul Ryan has a real shot at the white house in next 10 years. He will not be falling on his sword to save the party today, when he can certainly save it in 8. Can he though? If the Republican Congress doesn't actually get anything done, then he's worth nothing. | ||
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