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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
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frazzle
United States468 Posts
On March 17 2016 03:10 JW_DTLA wrote: There is no precedent or constitutional argument. It is brute political force. Either Obama folds, or McConnell folds. Can the Republicans maintain their blockade in the face of nominee they are on record as praising? Can they hide from the press? Can Trump even mouth a judicial philosophy to counter Clinton and Obama's clear arguments? I think the Republicans are in a much weaker position here and McConnell folds shortly after Trump wins the Republican nomination. I bet they hold their position for another week, then look for a way to save face, quickly bring it to a vote over a weekend or something and put the whole thing behind them like it never happened. Merrick is by far their best scenario. The likelihood of them winning the general is just too low to risk it, and even if they win it would likely be Trump and he is a wildcard. | ||
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Mohdoo
United States15725 Posts
On March 17 2016 03:20 SK.Testie wrote: http://www.cnbc.com/2016/03/16/we-choose-the-nominee-not-the-voters-senior-gop-official.html L O L Wow. Wow. The voters don't decide? Moment of silence for his career. | ||
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Seuss
United States10536 Posts
On March 17 2016 03:32 Mohdoo wrote: Wow. Wow. The voters don't decide? Moment of silence for his career. Don't underestimate the ivory tower effect for either party. When you're used to running things on high however you like when nobody's looking the spotlight reveals a lot of ugly truths. | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On March 17 2016 03:33 Seuss wrote: So Rick Scott endorsed Trump, and the Fox News debate on Monday is cancelled thanks to Trump and Kasich pulling out. Welp. The window to combat Trump has closed. He's too big for the GOP now. The only cards GOP really hold is sacrificing one of their own to run for independent, forever killing a career. Not sure anyone in GOP wiling to do it... | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands21963 Posts
On March 17 2016 03:32 frazzle wrote: I bet they hold their position for another week, then look for a way to save face, quickly bring it to a vote over a weekend or something and put the whole thing behind them like it never happened. Merrick is by far their best scenario. The likelihood of them winning the general is just too low to risk it, and even if they win it would likely be Trump and he is a wildcard. And it will be another slap to the face as they claimed loud and wide they would never accept a nominee. All it will do is give the Tea Party another piece of ammo against GOP leadership. | ||
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oneofthem
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
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Mohdoo
United States15725 Posts
On March 17 2016 03:34 wei2coolman wrote: The window to combat Trump has closed. He's too big for the GOP now. The only cards GOP really hold is sacrificing one of their own to run for independent, forever killing a career. Not sure anyone in GOP wiling to do it... ........ Jeb? Maybe...? | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On March 17 2016 03:38 Gorsameth wrote: And it will be another slap to the face as they claimed loud and wide they would never accept a nominee. All it will do is give the Tea Party another piece of ammo against GOP leadership. This assumes they want the Tea party in the GOP. | ||
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SK.Testie
Canada11084 Posts
Please stop. No. You can't put Jeb through that. The man is destroyed. That is beyond cruel. | ||
Liquid`Drone
Norway28714 Posts
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Mohdoo
United States15725 Posts
On March 17 2016 03:41 SK.Testie wrote: Please stop. No. You can't put Jeb through that. The man is destroyed. That is beyond cruel. First thing out if Trump's mouth at a debate: "look who decided to give it another shot. I admire this man's courage and that's about it." | ||
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writer22816
United States5775 Posts
On March 17 2016 03:44 Liquid`Drone wrote: having read some more of the thread now, let me add to my previous post that the idea of anyone justifying their hatred for Islam through Islam's stance towards homosexuality, while planning on voting for a GOP candidate, is a fucking joke. Seriously, how do some of you guys fail to see that all the progressive values you hate Islam for not sharing are also hardly shared by the party you plan on voting for? You do realize that the same logic works both ways, right? GOP candidates aren't "progressive" and yet somehow they are the ones speaking more honestly about Islam. During WWII the allies had to work with Stalin to defeat Hitler. If the regressive left continues to try and shut down constructive conversation and repeat meaningless platitudes, you can hardly be surprised if more reasonable people consider voting Republican and the far-right groups start gaining ground. See Germany for example. | ||
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xDaunt
United States17988 Posts
On March 17 2016 03:44 Liquid`Drone wrote: having read some more of the thread now, let me add to my previous post that the idea of anyone justifying their hatred for Islam through Islam's stance towards homosexuality, while planning on voting for a GOP candidate, is a fucking joke. Seriously, how do some of you guys fail to see that all the progressive values you hate Islam for not sharing are also hardly shared by the party you plan on voting for? I wasn't aware that opposition to gay marriage is equivalent to stoning (or otherwise executing) gays. (and I'm for equal rights for gays) | ||
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SK.Testie
Canada11084 Posts
On March 17 2016 03:44 Liquid`Drone wrote: having read some more of the thread now, let me add to my previous post that the idea of anyone justifying their hatred for Islam through Islam's stance towards homosexuality, while planning on voting for a GOP candidate, is a fucking joke. Seriously, how do some of you guys fail to see that all the progressive values you hate Islam for not sharing are also hardly shared by the party you plan on voting for? That's why Trump is the way. He's got NY liberal values, but is Recettear: Capitalism, Ho! style. The Republicans aren't fighting gay marriage anymore, that issue is over. What issue are you currently on about? | ||
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farvacola
United States18839 Posts
On March 17 2016 03:50 writer22816 wrote: You do realize that the same logic works both ways, right? GOP candidates aren't "progressive" and yet somehow they are the ones speaking more honestly about Islam. During WWII the allies had to work with Stalin to defeat Hitler. If the regressive left continues to try and shut down constructive conversation and repeat meaningless platitudes, you can hardly be surprised if more reasonable people consider voting Republican and the far-right groups start gaining ground. See Germany for example. The notion that GOP candidates are "speaking more honestly about Islam" is hardly well-established enough to be referenced without a great deal of qualification. In other words, you haven't proven "that the same logic works both ways," you've merely proven that you agree with the rhetoric of the GOP lol. | ||
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kwizach
3658 Posts
Trump Appears To Have Heavily Plagiarized Op-Ed From Carson An op-ed penned this month by Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump and published online appears to be blatantly plagiarized from an article written days earlier under former rival Ben Carson’s name, The Daily Caller has determined. The similar op-eds were written on the topic of America’s territories and commonwealths. Both pieces appear under the by-lines of the candidates. Carson’s piece, published Feb. 26, was published in the Marianas Variety in the Northern Mariana Islands. Trump’s op-ed — published in the Pacific Daily News in Guam, part of the USA Today Network — was published 12 days later on March 9. In some cases, full sentences and phrases — word-for-word — are lifted from Carson’s. In others, some words and phrases are changed and added. Source | ||
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SolaR-
United States2685 Posts
On March 17 2016 03:44 Liquid`Drone wrote: having read some more of the thread now, let me add to my previous post that the idea of anyone justifying their hatred for Islam through Islam's stance towards homosexuality, while planning on voting for a GOP candidate, is a fucking joke. Seriously, how do some of you guys fail to see that all the progressive values you hate Islam for not sharing are also hardly shared by the party you plan on voting for? Because i agree with republicans on a whole lot of other issues? I am never going to support anyone or any party 100%. It's the group think mentality. Also the difference between most republicans and islam is that republicans just do not believe in gay marriage but still allow the freedom to choose your lifestyle. Basically the acceptance through tolerance. Islam is on a whole other level. Being caught or even rumored to be involved in a homosexual act warrants a jail sentence or even a death sentence. With that said i dont think trump cares about gay marriage that much one way or the other. He is probably the one republican candidate that you can feel safe that he won't get rid of gay marriage. When the general electiob comes you will probably see a more liberal side of trump on similiar social issues such as gay marriage and abortion. The fact that people are comparing the republican party to islam shows that people really have no understanding of how barbaric and backwards the middle east is. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
Being “honest about Islam” is mostly followed by the most surface level understanding of the religion, region and issues facing each nation where it is the predominant religion. It is self praise for the US for being better while offering nothing of substance beyond finger wagging. | ||
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xDaunt
United States17988 Posts
On March 17 2016 03:58 SolaR- wrote: Because i agree with republicans on a whole lot of other issues? I am never going to support anyone or any party 100%. It's the group think mentality. Also the difference between most republicans and islam is that republicans just do not believe in gay marriage but still allow the freedom to choose your lifestyle. Basically the acceptance through tolerance. Islam is on a whole other level. Being caught or even rumored to be involved in a homosexual act warrants a jail sentence or even a death sentence. With that said i dont think trump cares about gay marriage that much one way or the other. He is probably the one republican candidate that you can feel safe that he won't get rid of gay marriage. When the general electiob comes you will probably see a more liberal side of trump on similiar social issues such as gay marriage and abortion. The fact that people are comparing the republican party to islam shows that people really have no understanding of how barbaric and backwards the middle east is. Exactly. Very few people are single issue voters. | ||
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