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On March 16 2016 11:48 SolaR- wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2016 11:44 Jibba wrote:On March 16 2016 11:42 SolaR- wrote:On March 16 2016 11:37 Plansix wrote:On March 16 2016 11:32 SolaR- wrote:
Lol i love how liberalism turns on itself. They support feminism and LBGT rights, but at the same time won't condemn Islam. Islam and Islamic culture is the chief enemy of feminism and gay rights. But Trump is a terrible person because he makes an inapproiate joke That's 1.5 billion people. Liberals are all about nuance and maybe like condemning specific nations or regions. Condemning all of Islam just make you sound uneducated. Not really ignorant, its realistic. Sure not all muslims are terrorists. But I would say a high majority of muslims treat women improperly. You can't argue that. Most religions are fundamentally horrible, Islam being one of the worst. And what makes it even worse is that there has been little reform in comparison to other judiac religions, actually its probably gotten worse. Cite something. What is your background/education to make any of these determinations? First get rid of your bias. You are asking me to site my background/education when there has been tons of assertions from the other side who have not provided their qualifications or facts. Just useless rhetoric and ideology. article on isis ability to make fake passports. http://www.cnn.com/2015/12/11/politics/isis-passports/
"Please forget your bias so you can agree with my enlightened point of view."
Isis can attempt to forge documents. Was anyone under the impression that they couldn't?
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On March 16 2016 11:48 SolaR- wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2016 11:44 Jibba wrote:On March 16 2016 11:42 SolaR- wrote:On March 16 2016 11:37 Plansix wrote:On March 16 2016 11:32 SolaR- wrote:
Lol i love how liberalism turns on itself. They support feminism and LBGT rights, but at the same time won't condemn Islam. Islam and Islamic culture is the chief enemy of feminism and gay rights. But Trump is a terrible person because he makes an inapproiate joke That's 1.5 billion people. Liberals are all about nuance and maybe like condemning specific nations or regions. Condemning all of Islam just make you sound uneducated. Not really ignorant, its realistic. Sure not all muslims are terrorists. But I would say a high majority of muslims treat women improperly. You can't argue that. Most religions are fundamentally horrible, Islam being one of the worst. And what makes it even worse is that there has been little reform in comparison to other judiac religions, actually its probably gotten worse. Cite something. What is your background/education to make any of these determinations? First get rid of your bias. You are asking me to site my background/education when there has been tons of assertions from the other side who have not provided their qualifications or facts. Just useless rhetoric and ideology. article on isis ability to make fake passports. http://www.cnn.com/2015/12/11/politics/isis-passports/
And this, my friends, is a perfect example of xenophobic logic at work. Dude made a variety of strong theological claims relative to Islam, was prompted for some sort of authority or citation in support of said claims, and then promptly linked a cnn article on Isis' ability to make fake passports.
lol
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On March 16 2016 11:52 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2016 11:39 kwizach wrote:
Serious question: how do the left-leaning posters who were supporting Sanders over Hillary in this thread feel about him (1) continuing his campaign and (2) continuing his attacks against Hillary?
I mean, anyone with a grasp of reality surely knows Hillary will be the nominee of the Democratic party, and will be the only left-leaning/progressive/liberal candidate fighting in the general election with a shot at winning. Even if you support Sanders getting his message across, do you not agree that it is counter-productive to keep attacking the Democratic nominee and to fend off attacks on two fronts (Trump & Sanders) instead of focusing on the Republicans? He should keep doing both, have some huge wins in upcoming states and either win or force it to the convention.
Are you saying when you look at the numbers, you conclude Bernie can win?
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not to mention of course that religion isn't mentioned in any passport I know of. So if an Indonesian Muslim wants to circumvent Trumps glorious plan of banning all Muslims all he has to do is answer the question "Sir are you a muslim?" with a "nope". I guess Trump is just going to ban all 250 million indonesians
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On March 16 2016 11:48 SolaR- wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2016 11:44 Jibba wrote:On March 16 2016 11:42 SolaR- wrote:On March 16 2016 11:37 Plansix wrote:On March 16 2016 11:32 SolaR- wrote:
Lol i love how liberalism turns on itself. They support feminism and LBGT rights, but at the same time won't condemn Islam. Islam and Islamic culture is the chief enemy of feminism and gay rights. But Trump is a terrible person because he makes an inapproiate joke That's 1.5 billion people. Liberals are all about nuance and maybe like condemning specific nations or regions. Condemning all of Islam just make you sound uneducated. Not really ignorant, its realistic. Sure not all muslims are terrorists. But I would say a high majority of muslims treat women improperly. You can't argue that. Most religions are fundamentally horrible, Islam being one of the worst. And what makes it even worse is that there has been little reform in comparison to other judiac religions, actually its probably gotten worse. Cite something. What is your background/education to make any of these determinations? First get rid of your bias. You are asking me to site my background/education when there has been tons of assertions from the other side who have not provided their qualifications or facts. Just useless rhetoric and ideology. article on isis ability to make fake passports. http://www.cnn.com/2015/12/11/politics/isis-passports/ A capability with no likelihood is meaningless. The US has been vulnerable for decades and all the while ISIS and AQ have raised rhetoric against us, they've really only attacked us on 9/11. American Muslims also has one of the lowest radicalization %'s in the world.
Beyond that, America's refugee immigration process is extremely vigorous and is one of the least vulnerable there is. Also, you do realize Christians live in Syria, too? 1) How do you expect to know whether someone is Muslim or Christian and 2) why wouldn't they just fake it. Is your proposal then to just ban brown skinned people from the Middle East?
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On March 16 2016 11:53 farvacola wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2016 11:48 SolaR- wrote:On March 16 2016 11:44 Jibba wrote:On March 16 2016 11:42 SolaR- wrote:On March 16 2016 11:37 Plansix wrote:On March 16 2016 11:32 SolaR- wrote:
Lol i love how liberalism turns on itself. They support feminism and LBGT rights, but at the same time won't condemn Islam. Islam and Islamic culture is the chief enemy of feminism and gay rights. But Trump is a terrible person because he makes an inapproiate joke That's 1.5 billion people. Liberals are all about nuance and maybe like condemning specific nations or regions. Condemning all of Islam just make you sound uneducated. Not really ignorant, its realistic. Sure not all muslims are terrorists. But I would say a high majority of muslims treat women improperly. You can't argue that. Most religions are fundamentally horrible, Islam being one of the worst. And what makes it even worse is that there has been little reform in comparison to other judiac religions, actually its probably gotten worse. Cite something. What is your background/education to make any of these determinations? First get rid of your bias. You are asking me to site my background/education when there has been tons of assertions from the other side who have not provided their qualifications or facts. Just useless rhetoric and ideology. article on isis ability to make fake passports. http://www.cnn.com/2015/12/11/politics/isis-passports/ And this, my friends, is a perfect example of xenophobic logic at work. Dude made a variety of strong theological claims relative to Islam, was prompted for some sort of authority or citation in support of said claims, and then promptly linked a cnn article on Isis' ability to make fake passports. lol
Don't call him xenophobic, you will hurt his feelings by challenging his beliefs.
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On March 16 2016 11:53 farvacola wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2016 11:48 SolaR- wrote:On March 16 2016 11:44 Jibba wrote:On March 16 2016 11:42 SolaR- wrote:On March 16 2016 11:37 Plansix wrote:On March 16 2016 11:32 SolaR- wrote:
Lol i love how liberalism turns on itself. They support feminism and LBGT rights, but at the same time won't condemn Islam. Islam and Islamic culture is the chief enemy of feminism and gay rights. But Trump is a terrible person because he makes an inapproiate joke That's 1.5 billion people. Liberals are all about nuance and maybe like condemning specific nations or regions. Condemning all of Islam just make you sound uneducated. Not really ignorant, its realistic. Sure not all muslims are terrorists. But I would say a high majority of muslims treat women improperly. You can't argue that. Most religions are fundamentally horrible, Islam being one of the worst. And what makes it even worse is that there has been little reform in comparison to other judiac religions, actually its probably gotten worse. Cite something. What is your background/education to make any of these determinations? First get rid of your bias. You are asking me to site my background/education when there has been tons of assertions from the other side who have not provided their qualifications or facts. Just useless rhetoric and ideology. article on isis ability to make fake passports. http://www.cnn.com/2015/12/11/politics/isis-passports/ And this, my friends, is a perfect example of xenophobic logic at work. Dude made a variety of strong theological claims relative to Islam, was prompted for some sort of authority or citation in support of said claims, and then promptly linked a cnn article on Isis' ability to make fake passports. lol
and told others to remove their "bias"
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On March 16 2016 11:48 Jibba wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2016 11:46 FiWiFaKi wrote:On March 16 2016 11:36 Jibba wrote:On March 16 2016 11:32 FiWiFaKi wrote:On March 16 2016 11:29 TheTenthDoc wrote:On March 16 2016 11:24 FiWiFaKi wrote:On March 16 2016 11:22 TheTenthDoc wrote:On March 16 2016 11:17 SK.Testie wrote:On March 16 2016 11:05 Plansix wrote:On March 16 2016 11:01 m4ini wrote:
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While i agree that we shouldn't derail further (i'll stop now):
We are in the stormfront thread. Just as a sidenote. Stormfront is US based. Yeah, I just liked it more when it wasn't here. But now they will bravely face the mean liberals that might call them racist. They have built up the courage to come out of the shadows and live full lives, proudly showing their faces to the world and voicing their opinions, no matter how badly their feelings might be hurt by the r-word. Ok, first off. Calling people who disagree with you users from stormfront despite showing no allegiance to said thing is retarded. It's literally, "Our argument has no legs to stand on. Must be super horrible racists". I just posted a pretty civil german father with genuine worries for his daughter. "lol stormfront". Jimmy Carter did something not entirely similar but similar during the Iranian crisis with Iranians. I think you have real people who dislike higher rates of crime in their area. That's all it is. They think, "this is my country, I should have a say on who is allowed in and who isn't". 66% of Americans apparently think they have that say. Stop attempting to take a moral high ground you do not have, and have no right of claim to. I don't have an immigration policy, because I'm not running a country. But off the top of my head if I had one and I was a rich nation, I'd take mostly those whom want to work. And those whom are rich and educated. Much like Japans immigration policy. Also, despite every Republican attempt to thwart Trump they really should just STFU and give him the nomination already. Unlike Bernie, he's winning the popular vote by a landslide. So if the Republicans try to screw him over they're going to be legitimately angry and that will just further diminish the Republican party. He's truly crashing it with no survivors. Fun fact (or at least I'm pretty sure it's a fact based on the states I can remember): Bernie has won a higher share of the popular vote than Trump. And no, barring immigration from a nation is not the same as impossibly blocking immigration of an entire religion. He wouldn't if there were more candidates running. Naturally Trump's numbers will go up now that there are fewer candidates. Also blocking a religion is not as extreme or uncommon as you'd think. USSR did just fine for a long time by eliminating religion, and many if not most countries in the world take a strong stance in ensuring things stay the way that they are desired. Its only the liberal movement in western countries that has created the present situation. They won't go up by very much-and will definitely go up less than his competitors. It's hard to win a two-person race when you have higher unfavorables than your opponents. Explain to me our Muslim blocking procedure. Go ahead. I'm all ears and have been since Trump announced the utterly stupid idea. According to who people's second choice was, Trump was up there, so I disagree that his numbers will go up less than his competitors, and if they will, it'll be by very small amounts. And think about how any nation has phased out a religion in the past. Don't encourage it, don't allow universities to provide funding the mosques, screen for immigrants, have higher qualifications for muslim immigrants to enter the country. It's not like Trump will load however many million people on a boat once he becomes president and ship them away lol. Are you willing to condemn Trump if he doesn't propose cutting funding and tax breaks for churches as well? I don't support Trump, I don't live in the US, I think you guys have a messy situation. My main goal is trying to help people look at Trump without preconceived notions. I suppose that having been doing this for so long has given me some empathy for Trump, and maybe it makes me hope that he does well, because I think he has been treated unfairly in the mind of the voters, even though he might be an awful president. You said the USSR did well banning religion. Explain that shit.
Short-term it has negative consequences, I was actually born in Slovakia and my grandpa was in prison (or whatever it was called back then) for 3-5 years for refusing to denounce being Catholic during the USSR era.
I'd attribute a distinguishable portion of the growth in the USSR due to removing religion and focusing on science to solve their problems. Anyway, I think its arguable whether the USSR came out worse or better for it, since its difficult to predict what would have happened without those campaigns, but I certainly don't think it's a black and white answer as the people are making it here. Making a radical change in policy like this could be beneficial in the long term. I've read on the topic quite far back in the past, and it was far from being all negative.
It seems like you're quite close to the issue personally, so I apologize if I was offensive, but if you haven't done any readings, maybe some of the wikipedia articles on the topic might make you see my viewpoint a bit.
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On March 16 2016 11:53 farvacola wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2016 11:48 SolaR- wrote:On March 16 2016 11:44 Jibba wrote:On March 16 2016 11:42 SolaR- wrote:On March 16 2016 11:37 Plansix wrote:On March 16 2016 11:32 SolaR- wrote:
Lol i love how liberalism turns on itself. They support feminism and LBGT rights, but at the same time won't condemn Islam. Islam and Islamic culture is the chief enemy of feminism and gay rights. But Trump is a terrible person because he makes an inapproiate joke That's 1.5 billion people. Liberals are all about nuance and maybe like condemning specific nations or regions. Condemning all of Islam just make you sound uneducated. Not really ignorant, its realistic. Sure not all muslims are terrorists. But I would say a high majority of muslims treat women improperly. You can't argue that. Most religions are fundamentally horrible, Islam being one of the worst. And what makes it even worse is that there has been little reform in comparison to other judiac religions, actually its probably gotten worse. Cite something. What is your background/education to make any of these determinations? First get rid of your bias. You are asking me to site my background/education when there has been tons of assertions from the other side who have not provided their qualifications or facts. Just useless rhetoric and ideology. article on isis ability to make fake passports. http://www.cnn.com/2015/12/11/politics/isis-passports/ And this, my friends, is a perfect example of xenophobic logic at work. Dude made a variety of strong theological claims relative to Islam, was prompted for some sort of authority or citation in support of said claims, and then promptly linked a cnn article on Isis' ability to make fake passports. lol
While i agree that that was dumb, his point about females in (especially rural, which there's alot of) islamic areas still stands.
It's not a secret either. So while i agree that he seems a bit xenophobic, there's quite a few intellectually dishonest people here as well.
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On March 16 2016 11:31 Jibba wrote:
What do you think morals are?
It's baked into the moral compass of the country that we shouldn't do what you're describing, and btw Japan's immigration policy is an utter disaster.
Americans are safer than they've been in a long time - both from internal crime and from terrorism. It's fear mongering with no data or research to back it up. That's why we call it xenophobia/racism. There is no evidence that justifies their fear.
We know you hate religion and Muslims, but you haven't made a real case in support of the policy.
I hate Islam most definitely. I don't hate all Muslims I come across because many of them are more secular and hardly "actually" Muslim. I hate many Muslims, that is true. But that's something I would still reserve special judgment for on a case by case person.
I still think they have a right to free speech. But a right to free speech and expression is not a right to freedom of movement from one country to the other. A country can say whom it deems acceptable to come in and out of its borders. I didn't say to silence Muslims, nor close down Mosques and Madrasa. I think that'd be a great benefit personally, but freedom of speech is supremely important. I just think that they've already lost the debate and it's time to pack religion up and call it a day.
As much as I'd like other people to shut up, so long as they are non violent I don't believe in shutting down freedom of speech.
Canada has a very small Muslim population, multiple large scale terror attacks were thwarted here in recent years despite the population being quite small. They wanted to cause major damage as well. So yeah, maybe when Saudi Arabia wants to attempt to build a Wahhabi Mosque I think, "... nah that's probably not a good idea".
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On March 16 2016 11:54 Mohdoo wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2016 11:52 GreenHorizons wrote:On March 16 2016 11:39 kwizach wrote:
Serious question: how do the left-leaning posters who were supporting Sanders over Hillary in this thread feel about him (1) continuing his campaign and (2) continuing his attacks against Hillary?
I mean, anyone with a grasp of reality surely knows Hillary will be the nominee of the Democratic party, and will be the only left-leaning/progressive/liberal candidate fighting in the general election with a shot at winning. Even if you support Sanders getting his message across, do you not agree that it is counter-productive to keep attacking the Democratic nominee and to fend off attacks on two fronts (Trump & Sanders) instead of focusing on the Republicans? He should keep doing both, have some huge wins in upcoming states and either win or force it to the convention. Are you saying when you look at the numbers, you conclude Bernie can win?
Yes, this was all of Hillary's strongest states with her tie/losing some of the strongest ones she was going to use to claim strength in the general.
Bernie won/tied some he wasn't supposed too and lost some bigger than he was supposed to. But the vast majority of his projections didn't have him taking the lead until CA.
He's going to need a few wins to be bigger than expected and do better in Arizona than projected but his plans haven't significantly changed since IA
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United States22883 Posts
On March 16 2016 11:57 m4ini wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2016 11:53 farvacola wrote:On March 16 2016 11:48 SolaR- wrote:On March 16 2016 11:44 Jibba wrote:On March 16 2016 11:42 SolaR- wrote:On March 16 2016 11:37 Plansix wrote:On March 16 2016 11:32 SolaR- wrote:
Lol i love how liberalism turns on itself. They support feminism and LBGT rights, but at the same time won't condemn Islam. Islam and Islamic culture is the chief enemy of feminism and gay rights. But Trump is a terrible person because he makes an inapproiate joke That's 1.5 billion people. Liberals are all about nuance and maybe like condemning specific nations or regions. Condemning all of Islam just make you sound uneducated. Not really ignorant, its realistic. Sure not all muslims are terrorists. But I would say a high majority of muslims treat women improperly. You can't argue that. Most religions are fundamentally horrible, Islam being one of the worst. And what makes it even worse is that there has been little reform in comparison to other judiac religions, actually its probably gotten worse. Cite something. What is your background/education to make any of these determinations? First get rid of your bias. You are asking me to site my background/education when there has been tons of assertions from the other side who have not provided their qualifications or facts. Just useless rhetoric and ideology. article on isis ability to make fake passports. http://www.cnn.com/2015/12/11/politics/isis-passports/ And this, my friends, is a perfect example of xenophobic logic at work. Dude made a variety of strong theological claims relative to Islam, was prompted for some sort of authority or citation in support of said claims, and then promptly linked a cnn article on Isis' ability to make fake passports. lol While i agree that that was dumb, his point about females in (especially rural, which there's alot of) islamic areas still stands. It's not a secret either. So while i agree that he seems a bit xenophobic, there's quite a few intellectually dishonest people here as well.
The greater point is that being a feminist doesn't preclude you from not wanting to ban Islam. It's possible to both support and condemn two different things at the same time. Islam does not have a monopoly on misogyny, and we continue to support plenty of other institutions that practice the latter, while also condemning them for it.
This isn't cognitive dissonance - it's seeing the grays.
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On March 16 2016 11:52 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2016 11:39 kwizach wrote:
Serious question: how do the left-leaning posters who were supporting Sanders over Hillary in this thread feel about him (1) continuing his campaign and (2) continuing his attacks against Hillary?
I mean, anyone with a grasp of reality surely knows Hillary will be the nominee of the Democratic party, and will be the only left-leaning/progressive/liberal candidate fighting in the general election with a shot at winning. Even if you support Sanders getting his message across, do you not agree that it is counter-productive to keep attacking the Democratic nominee and to fend off attacks on two fronts (Trump & Sanders) instead of focusing on the Republicans? He should keep doing both, have some huge wins in upcoming states and either win or force it to the convention. Hillary v Trump she and America lose.
I wish Bernie could win the primary, but the math doesn't work out in his favor unfortunately 
Fortunately (to respond to kwizach's question), Bernie has already said repeatedly that even though he wants to win, Hillary would be a far better president than Trump or Cruz or any other Republican running... so I hope that after Bernie eventually concedes, he'll try his best to convince his supporters to vote for Hillary. That's me too: voting for Bernie in the primary and Hillary in the general election.
I think that the shots Bernie is taking at Hillary are tactful and professional enough to not be seen as character assassination or scandal-related, and I don't really think that Bernie is instrumental in wrecking Hillary's chances in the general election. I think Hillary will be mostly to blame if she screws up the general election, and then secondarily Trump's effectiveness at dodging substance and just focusing on Hillary's weak spots.
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Also, it definitely depends on what country they come from too whether people want to hear that or not.
For instance Britain has a Pakistani Sex Gang problem. Seriously.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rotherham_child_sexual_exploitation_scandal
There's been 9 other gangs that are "Asian" (yes I know it's technically true, but most people think Oriental when they think Asian). And there's recently been another, with 25 men in Halifax.
These kinds of things happen when people are too afraid to lose their jobs over PC culture.
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America has one of the most complicated immigration vetting processes in the world. It can take years.
https://travel.state.gov/content/visas/en/immigrate/immigrant-process.html
in regards to Islamic views on women who cares. If their willing to come here and follow our laws isn't that the only important thing? and compared to some of the traditionalist Christian views in America I don't see how its any worse than what we already have
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On March 16 2016 11:57 m4ini wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2016 11:53 farvacola wrote:On March 16 2016 11:48 SolaR- wrote:On March 16 2016 11:44 Jibba wrote:On March 16 2016 11:42 SolaR- wrote:On March 16 2016 11:37 Plansix wrote:On March 16 2016 11:32 SolaR- wrote:
Lol i love how liberalism turns on itself. They support feminism and LBGT rights, but at the same time won't condemn Islam. Islam and Islamic culture is the chief enemy of feminism and gay rights. But Trump is a terrible person because he makes an inapproiate joke That's 1.5 billion people. Liberals are all about nuance and maybe like condemning specific nations or regions. Condemning all of Islam just make you sound uneducated. Not really ignorant, its realistic. Sure not all muslims are terrorists. But I would say a high majority of muslims treat women improperly. You can't argue that. Most religions are fundamentally horrible, Islam being one of the worst. And what makes it even worse is that there has been little reform in comparison to other judiac religions, actually its probably gotten worse. Cite something. What is your background/education to make any of these determinations? First get rid of your bias. You are asking me to site my background/education when there has been tons of assertions from the other side who have not provided their qualifications or facts. Just useless rhetoric and ideology. article on isis ability to make fake passports. http://www.cnn.com/2015/12/11/politics/isis-passports/ And this, my friends, is a perfect example of xenophobic logic at work. Dude made a variety of strong theological claims relative to Islam, was prompted for some sort of authority or citation in support of said claims, and then promptly linked a cnn article on Isis' ability to make fake passports. lol While i agree that that was dumb, his point about females in (especially rural, which there's alot of) islamic areas still stands. It's not a secret either. So while i agree that he seems a bit xenophobic, there's quite a few intellectually dishonest people here as well.
It isn't intellectually dishonest to question the relevancy of the fact that some (rural) Muslims treat women improperly when discussing immigration policy. The substantive character of Islam has little to nothing to do with the incredibly difficult problems inherent to customs/border crossing screening for religious identification, Constitutionality notwithstanding.
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On March 16 2016 11:57 m4ini wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2016 11:53 farvacola wrote:On March 16 2016 11:48 SolaR- wrote:On March 16 2016 11:44 Jibba wrote:On March 16 2016 11:42 SolaR- wrote:On March 16 2016 11:37 Plansix wrote:On March 16 2016 11:32 SolaR- wrote:
Lol i love how liberalism turns on itself. They support feminism and LBGT rights, but at the same time won't condemn Islam. Islam and Islamic culture is the chief enemy of feminism and gay rights. But Trump is a terrible person because he makes an inapproiate joke That's 1.5 billion people. Liberals are all about nuance and maybe like condemning specific nations or regions. Condemning all of Islam just make you sound uneducated. Not really ignorant, its realistic. Sure not all muslims are terrorists. But I would say a high majority of muslims treat women improperly. You can't argue that. Most religions are fundamentally horrible, Islam being one of the worst. And what makes it even worse is that there has been little reform in comparison to other judiac religions, actually its probably gotten worse. Cite something. What is your background/education to make any of these determinations? First get rid of your bias. You are asking me to site my background/education when there has been tons of assertions from the other side who have not provided their qualifications or facts. Just useless rhetoric and ideology. article on isis ability to make fake passports. http://www.cnn.com/2015/12/11/politics/isis-passports/ And this, my friends, is a perfect example of xenophobic logic at work. Dude made a variety of strong theological claims relative to Islam, was prompted for some sort of authority or citation in support of said claims, and then promptly linked a cnn article on Isis' ability to make fake passports. lol While i agree that that was dumb, his point about females in (especially rural, which there's alot of) islamic areas still stands. It's not a secret either. So while i agree that he seems a bit xenophobic, there's quite a few intellectually dishonest people here as well.
Sure, but when he said "I would say a high majority of muslims treat women improperly", I would point out that it's really the case that "a high majority of all people treat women improperly". Just because women can vote doesn't mean that women are equal or treated fairly, especially in America. Granted, Muslim extremists are particularly shitty when it comes to respecting women, but even American culture continuously objectifies and disrespects women... and we don't even need Muslims to do that.
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On March 16 2016 12:01 Karis Vas Ryaar wrote:America has one of the most complicated immigration vetting processes in the world. It can take years. https://travel.state.gov/content/visas/en/immigrate/immigrant-process.htmlin regards to Islamic views on women who cares. If their willing to come here and follow our laws isn't that the only important thing? and compared to some of the traditionalist Christian views in America I don't see how its any worse than what we already have
Following laws is never enough.
What I mean is that there is a big difference between working to make the nation a better place because your truly believe that the country is doing the right thing, making the world a better place, etc.
Versus not liking this country, but following the laws only to the extent to prevent you from getting in trouble, taking advantage of the system when you can, having little moral regard for what the country stands for, etc.
Laws cannot be made in a way that makes people behave exactly how we want them to. It's up to the people to align their minds with what the country stands up for, and that's why back in the day nationalism was such an important thing, and why having a unified country is way better than having a divided nation, just like the USA is now, even though more or less everyone is following the laws.
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On March 16 2016 11:54 Mohdoo wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2016 11:52 GreenHorizons wrote:On March 16 2016 11:39 kwizach wrote:
Serious question: how do the left-leaning posters who were supporting Sanders over Hillary in this thread feel about him (1) continuing his campaign and (2) continuing his attacks against Hillary?
I mean, anyone with a grasp of reality surely knows Hillary will be the nominee of the Democratic party, and will be the only left-leaning/progressive/liberal candidate fighting in the general election with a shot at winning. Even if you support Sanders getting his message across, do you not agree that it is counter-productive to keep attacking the Democratic nominee and to fend off attacks on two fronts (Trump & Sanders) instead of focusing on the Republicans? He should keep doing both, have some huge wins in upcoming states and either win or force it to the convention. Are you saying when you look at the numbers, you conclude Bernie can win?
After tonight, there are 2053 delegates left, with Clinton around 300 delegates ahead. Technically Sanders just needs an average margin of about 65% of the vote in the remaining states to reach 2026 of the 4051 people's delegates. And hope super delegates switch allegiance.
Such a Margin is possible according to demographics in Idaho (23 delegates), Utah (33 delegates), Washington (101 delegates), Wyoming (14 delgates), Oregon (61 delegates), Montana (21 delegates). And then there's the other 23 states yet to vote.
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In other news, Trump is leading by 0.3% with 76% votes counted in Missouri.
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