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On March 16 2016 11:40 ErectedZenith wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2016 11:37 Plansix wrote:On March 16 2016 11:32 SolaR- wrote:
Lol i love how liberalism turns on itself. They support feminism and LBGT rights, but at the same time won't condemn Islam. Islam and Islamic culture is the chief enemy of feminism and gay rights. But Trump is a terrible person because he makes an inapproiate joke That's 1.5 billion people. Liberals are all about nuance and maybe like condemning specific nations or regions. Condemning all of Islam just make you sound uneducated. What's the % of Islam don't agree with LGBT lifestyle? Do we have number on that? If the number is high enough, then the Leftists are full of shit and if they know about this and STILL go forward? They are only doing this to continue pitting people against each other which is to be expected with their fields of education.
No? It's the same fucking reason we think the KKK should still have a voice. Do you really not have the nuance needed to process this shit?
Just because we disagree with something doesn't mean we ban it.
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On March 16 2016 11:37 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2016 11:32 SolaR- wrote:
Lol i love how liberalism turns on itself. They support feminism and LBGT rights, but at the same time won't condemn Islam. Islam and Islamic culture is the chief enemy of feminism and gay rights. But Trump is a terrible person because he makes an inapproiate joke That's 1.5 billion people. Liberals are all about nuance and maybe like condemning specific nations or regions. Condemning all of Islam just make you sound uneducated.
Not really ignorant, its realistic. Sure not all muslims are terrorists. But I would say a high majority of muslims treat women improperly. You can't argue that. Most religions are fundamentally horrible, Islam being one of the worst. And what makes it even worse is that there has been little reform in comparison to other judiac religions, actually its probably gotten worse.
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On March 16 2016 11:32 SolaR- wrote:
Lol i love how liberalism turns on itself. They support feminism and LBGT rights, but at the same time won't condemn Islam. Islam and Islamic culture is the chief enemy of feminism and gay rights. But Trump is a terrible person because he makes an inapproiate joke
I think you're using "liberalism" way too... Liberally? Most liberals I know (including myself) are happy to condemn fundamentalist Islam and fundamentalist Christianity and pretty much any other extremist faction (including the small subset of feminists who are really over-the-top and basically anti-male and give general feminism a bad name) that works to infringe upon the rights of others.
Just keep in mind that you probably don't want to draw parallels between our expectations of extremist hate groups and our expectations for presidential candidates. Shouldn't we expect a little more tact, professionalism, diplomacy, maturity, and thoughtfulness from the potential leader of our country? Surely we should demand more from Trump (and the other candidates) than what we receive from the token layman bigoted nutjob?
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On March 16 2016 11:42 SolaR- wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2016 11:37 Plansix wrote:On March 16 2016 11:32 SolaR- wrote:
Lol i love how liberalism turns on itself. They support feminism and LBGT rights, but at the same time won't condemn Islam. Islam and Islamic culture is the chief enemy of feminism and gay rights. But Trump is a terrible person because he makes an inapproiate joke That's 1.5 billion people. Liberals are all about nuance and maybe like condemning specific nations or regions. Condemning all of Islam just make you sound uneducated. Not really ignorant, its realistic. Sure not all muslims are terrorists. But I would say a high majority of muslims treat women improperly. You can't argue that. Most religions are fundamentally horrible, Islam being one of the worst. And what makes it even worse is that there has been little reform in comparison to other judiac religions, actually its probably gotten worse.
Cite something. What is your background/education to make any of these determinations?
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On March 16 2016 11:34 TheTenthDoc wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2016 11:32 FiWiFaKi wrote:On March 16 2016 11:29 TheTenthDoc wrote:On March 16 2016 11:24 FiWiFaKi wrote:On March 16 2016 11:22 TheTenthDoc wrote:On March 16 2016 11:17 SK.Testie wrote:On March 16 2016 11:05 Plansix wrote:On March 16 2016 11:01 m4ini wrote:On March 16 2016 10:57 Plansix wrote:On March 16 2016 10:56 kwizach wrote:
Can you guys please keep your posts about refugees in Germany and Sweden to the European politics thread? Yes, please return to the Stormfront thread. While i agree that we shouldn't derail further (i'll stop now): We are in the stormfront thread. Just as a sidenote. Stormfront is US based. Yeah, I just liked it more when it wasn't here. But now they will bravely face the mean liberals that might call them racist. They have built up the courage to come out of the shadows and live full lives, proudly showing their faces to the world and voicing their opinions, no matter how badly their feelings might be hurt by the r-word. Ok, first off. Calling people who disagree with you users from stormfront despite showing no allegiance to said thing is retarded. It's literally, "Our argument has no legs to stand on. Must be super horrible racists". I just posted a pretty civil german father with genuine worries for his daughter. "lol stormfront". Jimmy Carter did something not entirely similar but similar during the Iranian crisis with Iranians. I think you have real people who dislike higher rates of crime in their area. That's all it is. They think, "this is my country, I should have a say on who is allowed in and who isn't". 66% of Americans apparently think they have that say. Stop attempting to take a moral high ground you do not have, and have no right of claim to. I don't have an immigration policy, because I'm not running a country. But off the top of my head if I had one and I was a rich nation, I'd take mostly those whom want to work. And those whom are rich and educated. Much like Japans immigration policy. Also, despite every Republican attempt to thwart Trump they really should just STFU and give him the nomination already. Unlike Bernie, he's winning the popular vote by a landslide. So if the Republicans try to screw him over they're going to be legitimately angry and that will just further diminish the Republican party. He's truly crashing it with no survivors. Fun fact (or at least I'm pretty sure it's a fact based on the states I can remember): Bernie has won a higher share of the popular vote than Trump. And no, barring immigration from a nation is not the same as impossibly blocking immigration of an entire religion. He wouldn't if there were more candidates running. Naturally Trump's numbers will go up now that there are fewer candidates. Also blocking a religion is not as extreme or uncommon as you'd think. USSR did just fine for a long time by eliminating religion, and many if not most countries in the world take a strong stance in ensuring things stay the way that they are desired. Its only the liberal movement in western countries that has created the present situation. They won't go up by very much-and will definitely go up less than his competitors. It's hard to win a two-person race when you have higher unfavorables than your opponents. Explain to me our Muslim blocking procedure. Go ahead. I'm all ears and have been since Trump announced the utterly stupid idea. According to who people's second choice was, Trump was up there, so I disagree that his numbers will go up less than his competitors, and if they will, it'll be by very small amounts. And think about how any nation has phased out a religion in the past. Don't encourage it, don't allow universities to provide funding the mosques, screen for immigrants, have higher qualifications for muslim immigrants to enter the country. It's not like Trump will load however many million people on a boat once he becomes president and ship them away lol. Do you just invent policies for Trump to have? Because his policy was clearly enumerated not to be any of those things. It was no non-citizen Muslims entering the country period and it had nothing to do with culture or rape.
Every Trump supporter knows 70%+ of what Trump says is either not true on unrealistic. He sets an ideological goal, and little things would be done to follow suit. I personally have Muslim friends, I think they are good people... But if you ask me, do I think the world would be a better place without organized religion? I'd say yes.
I brought up the wall he wants to build, people please, stop picturing the great wall of china, picture a barbed wire fence or increased border security.
Anyway, I know that the liberal perspective can be hard to shed, its desirable to have tolerance and have everyone get along together. But I think its a system that can be easily abused, and then you have to have a million laws for everything (like what question you can ask for an interview, just cause for termination, etc, etc)... That it can just create so many hassles.
One university in my province recently made it mandatory to take an aboriginal studies class for all student... In the name of tolerance and acceptance - this is just one example of a cost associated with getting along with everyone and having a multicultural society (which we do very well here imo).
In my opinion, its not always a bad idea to say "fuck it", and set these to prevent these hassles. From personal experience, the one that most people can relate to is doing a group project. When you have 6 people working on one thing, things take so long to get done since so much discussion has to get done to do a single thing. On the other hand, you could do all of this yourself and achieve the end result much quicker.
So to extend the analogy, I'm definitely not saying that all muslims are bad people, and I'm not even saying I support the argument, but what I am saying is that maybe making a society that caters to this many belief and value systems isn't ideal, and saying that making you guys work with our society is not worth the difficulty of making it work. You don't have to cause a holocaust to make it so your country has a similar belief and value system.
Take a look at Japan or S.Korea... A certain policy that results in what I can tell from a outsiders point of view a relative united society.
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On March 16 2016 11:42 SolaR- wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2016 11:37 Plansix wrote:On March 16 2016 11:32 SolaR- wrote:
Lol i love how liberalism turns on itself. They support feminism and LBGT rights, but at the same time won't condemn Islam. Islam and Islamic culture is the chief enemy of feminism and gay rights. But Trump is a terrible person because he makes an inapproiate joke That's 1.5 billion people. Liberals are all about nuance and maybe like condemning specific nations or regions. Condemning all of Islam just make you sound uneducated. But I would say a high majority of muslims treat women improperly. You can't argue that.
wtf?
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On March 16 2016 11:42 Jibba wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2016 11:40 ErectedZenith wrote:On March 16 2016 11:37 Plansix wrote:On March 16 2016 11:32 SolaR- wrote:
Lol i love how liberalism turns on itself. They support feminism and LBGT rights, but at the same time won't condemn Islam. Islam and Islamic culture is the chief enemy of feminism and gay rights. But Trump is a terrible person because he makes an inapproiate joke That's 1.5 billion people. Liberals are all about nuance and maybe like condemning specific nations or regions. Condemning all of Islam just make you sound uneducated. What's the % of Islam don't agree with LGBT lifestyle? Do we have number on that? If the number is high enough, then the Leftists are full of shit and if they know about this and STILL go forward? They are only doing this to continue pitting people against each other which is to be expected with their fields of education. No? It's the same fucking reason we think the KKK should still have a voice. Do you really not have the nuance needed to process this shit? Just because we disagree with something doesn't mean we ban it.
Yeah KKK needs to go too.
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On March 16 2016 11:44 Doraemon wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2016 11:42 SolaR- wrote:On March 16 2016 11:37 Plansix wrote:On March 16 2016 11:32 SolaR- wrote:
Lol i love how liberalism turns on itself. They support feminism and LBGT rights, but at the same time won't condemn Islam. Islam and Islamic culture is the chief enemy of feminism and gay rights. But Trump is a terrible person because he makes an inapproiate joke That's 1.5 billion people. Liberals are all about nuance and maybe like condemning specific nations or regions. Condemning all of Islam just make you sound uneducated. But I would say a high majority of muslims treat women improperly. You can't argue that. wtf?
More than 50% of the world's Muslim population believe a wife is subordinate to a husband.
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On March 16 2016 11:32 SolaR- wrote:
Lol i love how liberalism turns on itself. They support feminism and LBGT rights, but at the same time won't condemn Islam. Islam and Islamic culture is the chief enemy of feminism and gay rights. But Trump is a terrible person because he makes an inapproiate joke
We don't celebrate our own bigots just because there are worse bigots out there
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On March 16 2016 11:25 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2016 11:23 Nyxisto wrote:On March 16 2016 11:17 xDaunt wrote:On March 16 2016 11:13 Liquid`Drone wrote:On March 16 2016 10:59 xDaunt wrote:On March 16 2016 10:57 SK.Testie wrote:On March 16 2016 10:54 Liquid`Drone wrote:On March 16 2016 10:15 SK.Testie wrote:![[image loading]](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B5pwOrYIEAANU0K.jpg) ![[image loading]](http://www.teamliquid.net/staff/LiquidDrone/gopvoters.png) We should celebrate and tolerate 7th century ideas that are completely diametrically opposed to western secularism? Liberals have always had defective self-preservation instincts. Good thing we have people with a more violent and militaristic disposition to protect us from the more violent and militaristicly disposed people?  For some reason, the phrase "dicks fuck assholes" is ringing in my brain.... Hey, the UK eventually wisened up and threw Chamberlain overboard for Churchill. Pure liberal idealism and naïveté are luxuries that cannot always be afforded. If you're looking for fascists to fight I'd start with the one currently winning the GOP nomination You self-righteous and self-absorbed liberals don't even know who the real enemy is anymore. It'd be cute if it weren't so serious.
I mean, if I'm going to take a source on which presidential candidate is a facist, I'm pretty sure the German would know best
On March 16 2016 11:32 oneofthem wrote:
i mean the cia would tell you to stop talking about blocking muslims.
I mean, if Trump just worded blocking travel from certain countries, it would be a lot less controversial, and he never suggested it was a permanent solution. IIRC the quote was like temporary ban until there was a policy regarding immigration and visa allocation from those in the middle east.
On March 16 2016 11:37 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2016 11:32 SolaR- wrote:
Lol i love how liberalism turns on itself. They support feminism and LBGT rights, but at the same time won't condemn Islam. Islam and Islamic culture is the chief enemy of feminism and gay rights. But Trump is a terrible person because he makes an inapproiate joke That's 1.5 billion people. Liberals are all about nuance and maybe like condemning specific nations or regions. Condemning all of Islam just make you sound uneducated.
Remember, condemning all Trump supporters just makes you sound uneducated.
On March 16 2016 11:39 kwizach wrote:
Serious question: how do the left-leaning posters who were supporting Sanders over Hillary in this thread feel about him (1) continuing his campaign and (2) continuing his attacks against Hillary?
I mean, anyone with a grasp of reality surely knows Hillary will be the nominee of the Democratic party, and will be the only left-leaning/progressive/liberal candidate fighting in the general election with a shot at winning. Even if you support Sanders getting his message across, do you not agree that it is counter-productive to keep attacking the Democratic nominee and to fend off attacks on two fronts (Trump & Sanders) instead of focusing on the Republicans?
On one hand, it'd be cool to see a possible 4 way race if Trump loses to convention, and runs independent, along with Sanders going independent.
On another, Sanders is too much of an "holier than you" to quit. IMO, he should continue his campaign, and burn as many establishment bridges as possible. Just to enlighten the public about how fucking disgusting establishment politics is.
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On March 16 2016 11:36 Jibba wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2016 11:32 FiWiFaKi wrote:On March 16 2016 11:29 TheTenthDoc wrote:On March 16 2016 11:24 FiWiFaKi wrote:On March 16 2016 11:22 TheTenthDoc wrote:On March 16 2016 11:17 SK.Testie wrote:On March 16 2016 11:05 Plansix wrote:On March 16 2016 11:01 m4ini wrote:On March 16 2016 10:57 Plansix wrote:On March 16 2016 10:56 kwizach wrote:
Can you guys please keep your posts about refugees in Germany and Sweden to the European politics thread? Yes, please return to the Stormfront thread. While i agree that we shouldn't derail further (i'll stop now): We are in the stormfront thread. Just as a sidenote. Stormfront is US based. Yeah, I just liked it more when it wasn't here. But now they will bravely face the mean liberals that might call them racist. They have built up the courage to come out of the shadows and live full lives, proudly showing their faces to the world and voicing their opinions, no matter how badly their feelings might be hurt by the r-word. Ok, first off. Calling people who disagree with you users from stormfront despite showing no allegiance to said thing is retarded. It's literally, "Our argument has no legs to stand on. Must be super horrible racists". I just posted a pretty civil german father with genuine worries for his daughter. "lol stormfront". Jimmy Carter did something not entirely similar but similar during the Iranian crisis with Iranians. I think you have real people who dislike higher rates of crime in their area. That's all it is. They think, "this is my country, I should have a say on who is allowed in and who isn't". 66% of Americans apparently think they have that say. Stop attempting to take a moral high ground you do not have, and have no right of claim to. I don't have an immigration policy, because I'm not running a country. But off the top of my head if I had one and I was a rich nation, I'd take mostly those whom want to work. And those whom are rich and educated. Much like Japans immigration policy. Also, despite every Republican attempt to thwart Trump they really should just STFU and give him the nomination already. Unlike Bernie, he's winning the popular vote by a landslide. So if the Republicans try to screw him over they're going to be legitimately angry and that will just further diminish the Republican party. He's truly crashing it with no survivors. Fun fact (or at least I'm pretty sure it's a fact based on the states I can remember): Bernie has won a higher share of the popular vote than Trump. And no, barring immigration from a nation is not the same as impossibly blocking immigration of an entire religion. He wouldn't if there were more candidates running. Naturally Trump's numbers will go up now that there are fewer candidates. Also blocking a religion is not as extreme or uncommon as you'd think. USSR did just fine for a long time by eliminating religion, and many if not most countries in the world take a strong stance in ensuring things stay the way that they are desired. Its only the liberal movement in western countries that has created the present situation. They won't go up by very much-and will definitely go up less than his competitors. It's hard to win a two-person race when you have higher unfavorables than your opponents. Explain to me our Muslim blocking procedure. Go ahead. I'm all ears and have been since Trump announced the utterly stupid idea. According to who people's second choice was, Trump was up there, so I disagree that his numbers will go up less than his competitors, and if they will, it'll be by very small amounts. And think about how any nation has phased out a religion in the past. Don't encourage it, don't allow universities to provide funding the mosques, screen for immigrants, have higher qualifications for muslim immigrants to enter the country. It's not like Trump will load however many million people on a boat once he becomes president and ship them away lol. Are you willing to condemn Trump if he doesn't propose cutting funding and tax breaks for churches as well?
I don't support Trump, I don't live in the US, I think you guys have a messy situation.
My main goal is trying to help people look at Trump without preconceived notions. I suppose that having been doing this for so long has given me some empathy for Trump, and maybe it makes me hope that he does well, because I think he has been treated unfairly in the mind of the voters, even though he might be an awful president.
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Cruz in the lead in Missouri for the first time: 41.7% vs 41.6% !
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On March 16 2016 11:44 FiWiFaKi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2016 11:34 TheTenthDoc wrote:On March 16 2016 11:32 FiWiFaKi wrote:On March 16 2016 11:29 TheTenthDoc wrote:On March 16 2016 11:24 FiWiFaKi wrote:On March 16 2016 11:22 TheTenthDoc wrote:On March 16 2016 11:17 SK.Testie wrote:On March 16 2016 11:05 Plansix wrote:On March 16 2016 11:01 m4ini wrote:On March 16 2016 10:57 Plansix wrote:
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Yes, please return to the Stormfront thread. While i agree that we shouldn't derail further (i'll stop now): We are in the stormfront thread. Just as a sidenote. Stormfront is US based. Yeah, I just liked it more when it wasn't here. But now they will bravely face the mean liberals that might call them racist. They have built up the courage to come out of the shadows and live full lives, proudly showing their faces to the world and voicing their opinions, no matter how badly their feelings might be hurt by the r-word. Ok, first off. Calling people who disagree with you users from stormfront despite showing no allegiance to said thing is retarded. It's literally, "Our argument has no legs to stand on. Must be super horrible racists". I just posted a pretty civil german father with genuine worries for his daughter. "lol stormfront". Jimmy Carter did something not entirely similar but similar during the Iranian crisis with Iranians. I think you have real people who dislike higher rates of crime in their area. That's all it is. They think, "this is my country, I should have a say on who is allowed in and who isn't". 66% of Americans apparently think they have that say. Stop attempting to take a moral high ground you do not have, and have no right of claim to. I don't have an immigration policy, because I'm not running a country. But off the top of my head if I had one and I was a rich nation, I'd take mostly those whom want to work. And those whom are rich and educated. Much like Japans immigration policy. Also, despite every Republican attempt to thwart Trump they really should just STFU and give him the nomination already. Unlike Bernie, he's winning the popular vote by a landslide. So if the Republicans try to screw him over they're going to be legitimately angry and that will just further diminish the Republican party. He's truly crashing it with no survivors. Fun fact (or at least I'm pretty sure it's a fact based on the states I can remember): Bernie has won a higher share of the popular vote than Trump. And no, barring immigration from a nation is not the same as impossibly blocking immigration of an entire religion. He wouldn't if there were more candidates running. Naturally Trump's numbers will go up now that there are fewer candidates. Also blocking a religion is not as extreme or uncommon as you'd think. USSR did just fine for a long time by eliminating religion, and many if not most countries in the world take a strong stance in ensuring things stay the way that they are desired. Its only the liberal movement in western countries that has created the present situation. They won't go up by very much-and will definitely go up less than his competitors. It's hard to win a two-person race when you have higher unfavorables than your opponents. Explain to me our Muslim blocking procedure. Go ahead. I'm all ears and have been since Trump announced the utterly stupid idea. According to who people's second choice was, Trump was up there, so I disagree that his numbers will go up less than his competitors, and if they will, it'll be by very small amounts. And think about how any nation has phased out a religion in the past. Don't encourage it, don't allow universities to provide funding the mosques, screen for immigrants, have higher qualifications for muslim immigrants to enter the country. It's not like Trump will load however many million people on a boat once he becomes president and ship them away lol. Do you just invent policies for Trump to have? Because his policy was clearly enumerated not to be any of those things. It was no non-citizen Muslims entering the country period and it had nothing to do with culture or rape. Every Trump supporter knows 70%+ of what Trump says is either not true on unrealistic. He sets an ideological goal, and little things would be done to follow suit. I personally have Muslim friends, I think they are good people... But if you ask me, do I think the world would be a better place without organized religion? I'd say yes. I brought up the wall he wants to build, people please, stop picturing the great wall of china, picture a barbed wire fence or increased border security. Anyway, I know that the liberal perspective can be hard to shed, its desirable to have tolerance and have everyone get along together. But I think its a system that can be easily abused, and then you have to have a million laws for everything (like what question you can ask for an interview, just cause for termination, etc, etc)... That it can just create so many hassles. One university in my province recently made it mandatory to take an aboriginal studies class for all student... In the name of tolerance and acceptance - this is just one example of a cost associated with getting along with everyone and having a multicultural society (which we do very well here imo). In my opinion, its not always a bad idea to say "fuck it", and set these to prevent these hassles. From personal experience, the one that most people can relate to is doing a group project. When you have 6 people working on one thing, things take so long to get done since so much discussion has to get done to do a single thing. On the other hand, you could do all of this yourself and achieve the end result much quicker. So to extend the analogy, I'm definitely not saying that all muslims are bad people, and I'm not even saying I support the argument, but what I am saying is that maybe making a society that caters to this many belief and value systems isn't ideal, and saying that making you guys work with our society is not worth the difficulty of making it work. You don't have to cause a holocaust to make it so your country has a similar belief and value system. Take a look at Japan or S.Korea... A certain policy that results in what I can tell from a outsiders point of view a relative united society.
South Korea has a long history of protest and Japan is literally running out of people. not sure their the best examples
also South Korea has a stupidly high suicide rate and people who live there aren't exactly happy
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On March 16 2016 11:46 FiWiFaKi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2016 11:36 Jibba wrote:On March 16 2016 11:32 FiWiFaKi wrote:On March 16 2016 11:29 TheTenthDoc wrote:On March 16 2016 11:24 FiWiFaKi wrote:On March 16 2016 11:22 TheTenthDoc wrote:On March 16 2016 11:17 SK.Testie wrote:On March 16 2016 11:05 Plansix wrote:On March 16 2016 11:01 m4ini wrote:On March 16 2016 10:57 Plansix wrote:
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Yes, please return to the Stormfront thread. While i agree that we shouldn't derail further (i'll stop now): We are in the stormfront thread. Just as a sidenote. Stormfront is US based. Yeah, I just liked it more when it wasn't here. But now they will bravely face the mean liberals that might call them racist. They have built up the courage to come out of the shadows and live full lives, proudly showing their faces to the world and voicing their opinions, no matter how badly their feelings might be hurt by the r-word. Ok, first off. Calling people who disagree with you users from stormfront despite showing no allegiance to said thing is retarded. It's literally, "Our argument has no legs to stand on. Must be super horrible racists". I just posted a pretty civil german father with genuine worries for his daughter. "lol stormfront". Jimmy Carter did something not entirely similar but similar during the Iranian crisis with Iranians. I think you have real people who dislike higher rates of crime in their area. That's all it is. They think, "this is my country, I should have a say on who is allowed in and who isn't". 66% of Americans apparently think they have that say. Stop attempting to take a moral high ground you do not have, and have no right of claim to. I don't have an immigration policy, because I'm not running a country. But off the top of my head if I had one and I was a rich nation, I'd take mostly those whom want to work. And those whom are rich and educated. Much like Japans immigration policy. Also, despite every Republican attempt to thwart Trump they really should just STFU and give him the nomination already. Unlike Bernie, he's winning the popular vote by a landslide. So if the Republicans try to screw him over they're going to be legitimately angry and that will just further diminish the Republican party. He's truly crashing it with no survivors. Fun fact (or at least I'm pretty sure it's a fact based on the states I can remember): Bernie has won a higher share of the popular vote than Trump. And no, barring immigration from a nation is not the same as impossibly blocking immigration of an entire religion. He wouldn't if there were more candidates running. Naturally Trump's numbers will go up now that there are fewer candidates. Also blocking a religion is not as extreme or uncommon as you'd think. USSR did just fine for a long time by eliminating religion, and many if not most countries in the world take a strong stance in ensuring things stay the way that they are desired. Its only the liberal movement in western countries that has created the present situation. They won't go up by very much-and will definitely go up less than his competitors. It's hard to win a two-person race when you have higher unfavorables than your opponents. Explain to me our Muslim blocking procedure. Go ahead. I'm all ears and have been since Trump announced the utterly stupid idea. According to who people's second choice was, Trump was up there, so I disagree that his numbers will go up less than his competitors, and if they will, it'll be by very small amounts. And think about how any nation has phased out a religion in the past. Don't encourage it, don't allow universities to provide funding the mosques, screen for immigrants, have higher qualifications for muslim immigrants to enter the country. It's not like Trump will load however many million people on a boat once he becomes president and ship them away lol. Are you willing to condemn Trump if he doesn't propose cutting funding and tax breaks for churches as well? I don't support Trump, I don't live in the US, I think you guys have a messy situation. My main goal is trying to help people look at Trump without preconceived notions. I suppose that having been doing this for so long has given me some empathy for Trump, and maybe it makes me hope that he does well, because I think he has been treated unfairly in the mind of the voters, even though he might be an awful president.
You said the USSR did well banning religion. Explain that shit.
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On March 16 2016 11:44 Jibba wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2016 11:42 SolaR- wrote:On March 16 2016 11:37 Plansix wrote:On March 16 2016 11:32 SolaR- wrote:
Lol i love how liberalism turns on itself. They support feminism and LBGT rights, but at the same time won't condemn Islam. Islam and Islamic culture is the chief enemy of feminism and gay rights. But Trump is a terrible person because he makes an inapproiate joke That's 1.5 billion people. Liberals are all about nuance and maybe like condemning specific nations or regions. Condemning all of Islam just make you sound uneducated. Not really ignorant, its realistic. Sure not all muslims are terrorists. But I would say a high majority of muslims treat women improperly. You can't argue that. Most religions are fundamentally horrible, Islam being one of the worst. And what makes it even worse is that there has been little reform in comparison to other judiac religions, actually its probably gotten worse. Cite something. What is your background/education to make any of these determinations?
First get rid of your bias. You are asking me to site my background/education when there has been tons of assertions from the other side who have not provided their qualifications or facts. Just useless rhetoric and ideology.
article on isis ability to make fake passports.
http://www.cnn.com/2015/12/11/politics/isis-passports/
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On March 16 2016 11:36 ErectedZenith wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2016 11:34 TheTenthDoc wrote:On March 16 2016 11:32 FiWiFaKi wrote:On March 16 2016 11:29 TheTenthDoc wrote:On March 16 2016 11:24 FiWiFaKi wrote:On March 16 2016 11:22 TheTenthDoc wrote:On March 16 2016 11:17 SK.Testie wrote:On March 16 2016 11:05 Plansix wrote:On March 16 2016 11:01 m4ini wrote:On March 16 2016 10:57 Plansix wrote:
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Yes, please return to the Stormfront thread. While i agree that we shouldn't derail further (i'll stop now): We are in the stormfront thread. Just as a sidenote. Stormfront is US based. Yeah, I just liked it more when it wasn't here. But now they will bravely face the mean liberals that might call them racist. They have built up the courage to come out of the shadows and live full lives, proudly showing their faces to the world and voicing their opinions, no matter how badly their feelings might be hurt by the r-word. Ok, first off. Calling people who disagree with you users from stormfront despite showing no allegiance to said thing is retarded. It's literally, "Our argument has no legs to stand on. Must be super horrible racists". I just posted a pretty civil german father with genuine worries for his daughter. "lol stormfront". Jimmy Carter did something not entirely similar but similar during the Iranian crisis with Iranians. I think you have real people who dislike higher rates of crime in their area. That's all it is. They think, "this is my country, I should have a say on who is allowed in and who isn't". 66% of Americans apparently think they have that say. Stop attempting to take a moral high ground you do not have, and have no right of claim to. I don't have an immigration policy, because I'm not running a country. But off the top of my head if I had one and I was a rich nation, I'd take mostly those whom want to work. And those whom are rich and educated. Much like Japans immigration policy. Also, despite every Republican attempt to thwart Trump they really should just STFU and give him the nomination already. Unlike Bernie, he's winning the popular vote by a landslide. So if the Republicans try to screw him over they're going to be legitimately angry and that will just further diminish the Republican party. He's truly crashing it with no survivors. Fun fact (or at least I'm pretty sure it's a fact based on the states I can remember): Bernie has won a higher share of the popular vote than Trump. And no, barring immigration from a nation is not the same as impossibly blocking immigration of an entire religion. He wouldn't if there were more candidates running. Naturally Trump's numbers will go up now that there are fewer candidates. Also blocking a religion is not as extreme or uncommon as you'd think. USSR did just fine for a long time by eliminating religion, and many if not most countries in the world take a strong stance in ensuring things stay the way that they are desired. Its only the liberal movement in western countries that has created the present situation. They won't go up by very much-and will definitely go up less than his competitors. It's hard to win a two-person race when you have higher unfavorables than your opponents. Explain to me our Muslim blocking procedure. Go ahead. I'm all ears and have been since Trump announced the utterly stupid idea. According to who people's second choice was, Trump was up there, so I disagree that his numbers will go up less than his competitors, and if they will, it'll be by very small amounts. And think about how any nation has phased out a religion in the past. Don't encourage it, don't allow universities to provide funding the mosques, screen for immigrants, have higher qualifications for muslim immigrants to enter the country. It's not like Trump will load however many million people on a boat once he becomes president and ship them away lol. Do you just invent policies for Trump to have? Because his policy was clearly enumerated not to be any of those things. It was no non-citizen Muslims entering the country period and it had nothing to do with culture or rape. There's a reason it only came up after San Bernardino and ISIS became a thing...it's 100% fear of terrorists driven. The subject at hand is to decide whether or not the move to ban Muslisms from entering the USA will be beneficial to the USA or not. There definitely needs some form of cost benefit analysis.
Pretty much this. People are jumping to conclusions based on their emotions. If I said the earth was round back in the day, you guys would probably be the ones to disprove my point in 2 seconds.
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On March 16 2016 11:13 GreenHorizons wrote:
Bernie has been talking since before Kasich and they haven't even mentioned it. The media has just completely given up on doing anything but making money.
I'd just like to point out that there are good reasons why there are voters who choose between Trump and Sanders. One is contempt for free press:
The presidential campaign of Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) is demanding more equitable coverage from the “corporate network news,” which it says has engaged in a “Bernie blackout.”
The campaign pointed to data showing that flagship news programs on ABC, CBS and NBC devote paltry air time to Sanders compared to other similarly positioned candidates.
“The corporately-owned media may not like Bernie’s anti-establishment views but for the sake of American democracy they must allow for a fair debate in this presidential campaign,” Sanders campaign manager Jeff Weaver said in a statement Friday.
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On March 16 2016 11:48 SolaR- wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2016 11:44 Jibba wrote:On March 16 2016 11:42 SolaR- wrote:On March 16 2016 11:37 Plansix wrote:On March 16 2016 11:32 SolaR- wrote:
Lol i love how liberalism turns on itself. They support feminism and LBGT rights, but at the same time won't condemn Islam. Islam and Islamic culture is the chief enemy of feminism and gay rights. But Trump is a terrible person because he makes an inapproiate joke That's 1.5 billion people. Liberals are all about nuance and maybe like condemning specific nations or regions. Condemning all of Islam just make you sound uneducated. Not really ignorant, its realistic. Sure not all muslims are terrorists. But I would say a high majority of muslims treat women improperly. You can't argue that. Most religions are fundamentally horrible, Islam being one of the worst. And what makes it even worse is that there has been little reform in comparison to other judiac religions, actually its probably gotten worse. Cite something. What is your background/education to make any of these determinations? First get rid of your bias. You are asking me to site my background/education when there has been tons of assertions from the other side who have not provided their qualifications or facts. Just useless rhetoric and ideology. article on isis ability to make fake passports. http://www.cnn.com/2015/12/11/politics/isis-passports/
You know what's even easier to do than make a fake passport?
Telling people at the airport you aren't a Muslim.
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Oh god, so now Bernie is just going down with the ship? Blame media bias? Sure Bernie, that'll help. That will transfer delegates from Clinton. The math doesn't add up. Bernie can't win anymore.
edit: Pretty fucking close in Missouri O_O
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On March 16 2016 11:39 kwizach wrote:
Serious question: how do the left-leaning posters who were supporting Sanders over Hillary in this thread feel about him (1) continuing his campaign and (2) continuing his attacks against Hillary?
I mean, anyone with a grasp of reality surely knows Hillary will be the nominee of the Democratic party, and will be the only left-leaning/progressive/liberal candidate fighting in the general election with a shot at winning. Even if you support Sanders getting his message across, do you not agree that it is counter-productive to keep attacking the Democratic nominee and to fend off attacks on two fronts (Trump & Sanders) instead of focusing on the Republicans?
He should keep doing both, have some huge wins in upcoming states and either win or force it to the convention.
Hillary v Trump she and America lose.
On March 16 2016 11:51 Mohdoo wrote:
Oh god, so now Bernie is just going down with the ship? Blame media bias? Sure Bernie, that'll help. That will transfer delegates from Clinton. The math doesn't add up. Bernie can't win anymore.
edit: Pretty fucking close in Missouri O_O
Media may not be the end all be all but ignoring the bias coverage is just asinine.
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