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On_Slaught
Profile Joined August 2008
United States12190 Posts
March 09 2016 02:48 GMT
#64661
On March 09 2016 11:37 xDaunt wrote:
This Trump press conference is fucking awesome.


Sarcasm?

I will say though that his rambling stream of consciousness style he uses is both fascinating and hilarious.
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
March 09 2016 02:49 GMT
#64662
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
GoTuNk!
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
Chile4591 Posts
March 09 2016 02:49 GMT
#64663
How good is winning everything for trump as it seems now?
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States23486 Posts
March 09 2016 02:49 GMT
#64664
On March 09 2016 11:36 strongwind wrote:
Are there any black protestants from the Bible Belt on here? I'm seriously curious how Hillary can win by 50 to 60 point margins in the South. I so earnestly want to understand how so many people can be so on board any one candidate (that isn't an elected official from the state).

I ask because I want to dispel the bad notions that form in my brain whenever I think about the South. I seriously don't know anything about Southern Democrats and what's important to them. I truly want to believe that the reason they're voting for Hillary is not because Bill was "the cool black guy" and that they're only voting on nostalgia. I can understand her support because she's had a presence in the South for a long time, but those margins are too vast for me to think that that's the only reason. Dispel my monolithic notions please, oh someone from the South...



The general impression I've gotten from talking to people I know down there is that Clinton is basically political royalty down there, they had nearly every black elected official in their pocket from the network they've long established across the south and most black elected officials got there because they had the support of the establishment (now fully under Hillary's control).

So it's loyalty #1 (voters loyal to their particular black official) but there's a lot of factors and Bernie pretty much gave up on it when he realized how impossible it was to reach folks (logistically).

He needed to be there when he was doing his big rallies across the country but there was no internet base there and when he went, the small crowds did more damage elsewhere than he was gaining locally.

Like I mentioned earlier upwards of 20% of the calls made went to people who didn't even know the name Bernie Sanders. that was THIS WEEK. so there's that. I can't explain that without sounding rude.
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
March 09 2016 02:50 GMT
#64665
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States23486 Posts
March 09 2016 02:52 GMT
#64666
On March 09 2016 11:42 Introvert wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 09 2016 11:41 GreenHorizons wrote:
On March 09 2016 11:34 Introvert wrote:
Question is, will the party go to Cruz or Trump? A month ago I said it would be Trump, but it's possible they fear his prospects in November too much. Kasich still playing for VP. Rubio has to be out now. Even if he sticks around for Florida, he's done, win or no win.


It's Trump. A bunch of billionaires (the ones funding other candidates for example) offer him a ridiculously sweet deal to just be a figure head.

Cruz is a dead end for the establishment. Kasich could win if they went with the block Trump at all cost and negotiate with party loyal delegates that were elected by Trump people who don't understand the process route, but anything other than giving Trump the nomination or everyone actually rallying around Ted to give him a majority of delegates and the party falls apart.


I would have agreed a month ago, but I'm not so sure anymore.


Like was said about the more liberal states Cruz is toast they would need Kasich to be the guy and have Ted somehow lock down every delegate he's won and MAKE them support Kasich at a brokered convention, then throw Cruz on as VP (yeah that's as impossible as it sounds).
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
March 09 2016 02:55 GMT
#64667
NBC decides to record and show the Clinton speech after Trump finishes. Bet she's pissed.
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Jibba
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States22883 Posts
March 09 2016 02:56 GMT
#64668
When did The Guardian develop so much US coverage? I really like their elections site.

http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/ng-interactive/2016/mar/08/primary-caucus-live-results-michigan-mississippi-idaho-hawaii-election-2016
ModeratorNow I'm distant, dark in this anthrobeat
synapse
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
China13814 Posts
March 09 2016 02:56 GMT
#64669
42% reporting with sanders up 51-46... looked like Clinton was going to do better based on this morning's polls.

I wonder how much the Flint debate had to do with this.

also: + Show Spoiler +
[image loading]
:)
Adreme
Profile Joined June 2011
United States5574 Posts
March 09 2016 02:57 GMT
#64670
On March 09 2016 11:55 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
NBC decides to record and show the Clinton speech after Trump finishes. Bet she's pissed.


Getting to follow that rambling incoherent nonsense would make me ecstatic. This is probably the best gift she could have been given.
oBlade
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States5769 Posts
March 09 2016 02:58 GMT
#64671
This must be the Trump attack ad that he said tonight helps him more than hurts him. I hadn't seen it before so I didn't know what they were talking about:

"I read it. You know how to read, you ignorant fuck?" - Andy Dufresne
oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
March 09 2016 02:58 GMT
#64672
only thing sanders achieved is to show how stupid young people are. all these terrible policies actually get people excited
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
March 09 2016 02:59 GMT
#64673
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States23486 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-03-09 03:01:21
March 09 2016 02:59 GMT
#64674
Well...



On March 09 2016 11:58 oneofthem wrote:
only thing sanders achieved is to show how stupid young people are. all these terrible policies actually get people excited


Bout time I got some salt over here.
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
Souma
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
2nd Worst City in CA8938 Posts
March 09 2016 03:00 GMT
#64675
On March 09 2016 11:58 oneofthem wrote:
only thing sanders achieved is to show how stupid young people are. all these terrible policies actually get people excited

So much salt. I can bathe in it mmm.
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TheTenthDoc
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9561 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-03-09 03:09:58
March 09 2016 03:01 GMT
#64676
On March 09 2016 11:59 GreenHorizons wrote:
Well...

https://twitter.com/NateSilver538/status/707392312700248067


I think even if he loses it'll still almost certainly be one of the largest upsets.

The scary thing is if he totally fumbles MI Mississippi though...
Introvert
Profile Joined April 2011
United States4862 Posts
March 09 2016 03:01 GMT
#64677
On March 09 2016 11:52 GreenHorizons wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 09 2016 11:42 Introvert wrote:
On March 09 2016 11:41 GreenHorizons wrote:
On March 09 2016 11:34 Introvert wrote:
Question is, will the party go to Cruz or Trump? A month ago I said it would be Trump, but it's possible they fear his prospects in November too much. Kasich still playing for VP. Rubio has to be out now. Even if he sticks around for Florida, he's done, win or no win.


It's Trump. A bunch of billionaires (the ones funding other candidates for example) offer him a ridiculously sweet deal to just be a figure head.

Cruz is a dead end for the establishment. Kasich could win if they went with the block Trump at all cost and negotiate with party loyal delegates that were elected by Trump people who don't understand the process route, but anything other than giving Trump the nomination or everyone actually rallying around Ted to give him a majority of delegates and the party falls apart.


I would have agreed a month ago, but I'm not so sure anymore.


Like was said about the more liberal states Cruz is toast they would need Kasich to be the guy and have Ted somehow lock down every delegate he's won and MAKE them support Kasich at a brokered convention, then throw Cruz on as VP (yeah that's as impossible as it sounds).


My post didn't have anything to do with winning. The question is, what will they try?
"But, as the conservative understands it, modification of the rules should always reflect, and never impose, a change in the activities and beliefs of those who are subject to them, and should never on any occasion be so great as to destroy the ensemble."
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-03-09 03:03:36
March 09 2016 03:02 GMT
#64678
It should be really worrying to Democrats that Trump won Michigan an now Sanders showed, win or lose, how wrong Polling was. They are both anti NAFTA/Free trade.

EDIT: Looks like Clinton camp read the tea leaves and is switching to a more populist argument on free trade.
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Slaughter
Profile Blog Joined November 2003
United States20254 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-03-09 03:04:30
March 09 2016 03:04 GMT
#64679
Clinton has surged 49 to 48 now.
Never Knows Best.
Adreme
Profile Joined June 2011
United States5574 Posts
March 09 2016 03:04 GMT
#64680
On March 09 2016 12:02 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
It should be really worrying to Democrats that Trump won Michigan an now Sanders showed, win or lose, how wrong Polling was. They are both anti NAFTA/Free trade.

EDIT: Looks like Clinton camp read the tea leaves and is switching to a more populist argument on free trade.


Wasnt Trump just talking about how much he loved Free Trade in his ramblings...
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