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{CC}StealthBlue
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The_Templar
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oBlade
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RenSC2
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On March 09 2016 10:45 Sermokala wrote: This makes no sense at all. Winning is the only thing in an election. Americans will forgive anything for a winner. Actually, many candidates are in an election for the purpose of putting a spotlight on an agenda and forcing the other candidates to talk about that agenda more than they otherwise would. Typically, those candidates don't last past New Hampshire, but sometimes they gain some momentum and become legitimate. Sanders has one main talking point (Wall Street is evil!) and a few other mostly unrealistic plans (healthcare and education) in the current political environment and could have very easily been a one hit wonder in a more crowded field. Instead, all the other major players decided it was Hillary's turn and backed away. That left Sanders to be the voice of those who were against Hillary within the democratic party. Even if he loses, he has achieved much more than any political analyst thought he would and he has pushed the conversation in a way that he wanted to push it. | ||
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{CC}StealthBlue
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LegalLord
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On March 09 2016 11:27 {CC}StealthBlue wrote: Watching Donald Trump.... wtf am I watching. I know, it's hilarious.10/10 would watch again. | ||
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GreenHorizons
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On March 09 2016 11:20 {CC}StealthBlue wrote: https://twitter.com/costareports/status/707390351489802240 Pretty sure I gamed this out a month ago. Trump will use Cruz's "I'm more conservative" shtick to shift to the center. Every attack will make Trump look like the reasonable one the establishment has to get behind when it's too late for voters to do anything about getting sold out. Then you get epic low turnout and Trump loses in a landslide to Sanders. Unless Dems pick Hillary in which case the shit fest being thrown at Hillary (along with her shady primary campaign) depresses Dem turnout and keeps republicans interested enough to turnout to vote against a low turnout Hillary (still remarkably low turnout). Kasich doing well in MI messes things up slightly but Trump gets helped by Rubio being a disaster and giving Trump Florida. If Kasich falls behind in Ohio he might drop out for a VP slot and run again in 4 or 8 depending on what happens in the general. That's my hallucinating from lack of sleep guess. On March 09 2016 11:27 {CC}StealthBlue wrote: Donald Trump speech.... wtf am I watching. Wasn't sure if that was just the hallucinations I heard about lions and elephants? | ||
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Adreme
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Introvert
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Exit polls say 7% of GOP primary voters are Democrats, lol. | ||
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Mohdoo
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On March 09 2016 11:34 Introvert wrote: Question is, will the party go to Cruz or Trump? A month ago I said it would be Trump, but it's possible they fear his prospects in November too much. Kasich still playing for VP. Rubio has to be out now. Even if he sticks around for Florida, he's done, win or no win. Trump's shift to center in recent debates says to me that he is making sure he can rip Cruz to shreds in more liberal states. I don't think Cruz has a chance in hell without sweeping the south entirely. Which he isn't so far. | ||
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strongwind
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I ask because I want to dispel the bad notions that form in my brain whenever I think about the South. I seriously don't know anything about Southern Democrats and what's important to them. I truly want to believe that the reason they're voting for Hillary is not because they think Bill was "the first black president" and that they're only voting on nostalgia. I can understand her support because she's had a presence in the South for a long time, but those margins are too vast for me to think that that's the only reason. Dispel my monolithic notions please, oh someone from the South... | ||
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Slaughter
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Seems like the % of the vote doesn't really matter and it goes by precinct or something? Why not just give whatever % of delegates corresponding to the % of the vote you got. | ||
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Introvert
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On March 09 2016 11:36 Mohdoo wrote: Trump's shift to center in recent debates says to me that he is making sure he can rip Cruz to shreds in more liberal states. I don't think Cruz has a chance in hell without sweeping the south entirely. Which he isn't so far. Trump is, however, so disliked. But my question wasn't about who would win, but who would the party go to after this. | ||
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xDaunt
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TheTenthDoc
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On March 09 2016 11:37 Slaughter wrote: Looking at the votes and delegates awarded...How is it that with 58% of the vote in Colorado Sanders still tied on delegates? Also in Minnesota he won 61% of the vote yet only was up 7 or even worse when he went 60% to 38% and tied delegate count? Seems like the % of the vote doesn't really matter and it goes by precinct or something? Why not just give whatever % of delegates corresponding to the % of the vote you got. Many states have two pools of delegates. One, the larger pool, is split proportionally. The other is given to candidates based on their performance in districts. | ||
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Clonester
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I have alot of fun watching the primaries. Wild guess for the runners for the vice? I bet my dollars on chris christy. | ||
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GreenHorizons
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On March 09 2016 11:34 Introvert wrote: Question is, will the party go to Cruz or Trump? A month ago I said it would be Trump, but it's possible they fear his prospects in November too much. Kasich still playing for VP. Rubio has to be out now. Even if he sticks around for Florida, he's done, win or no win. It's Trump. A bunch of billionaires (the ones funding other candidates for example) offer him a ridiculously sweet deal to just be a figure head. Cruz is a dead end for the establishment. Kasich could win if they went with the block Trump at all cost and negotiate with party loyal delegates that were elected by Trump people who don't understand the process route, but anything other than giving Trump the nomination or everyone actually rallying around Ted to give him a majority of delegates and the party falls apart. | ||
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Introvert
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On March 09 2016 11:41 GreenHorizons wrote: It's Trump. A bunch of billionaires (the ones funding other candidates for example) offer him a ridiculously sweet deal to just be a figure head. Cruz is a dead end for the establishment. Kasich could win if they went with the block Trump at all cost and negotiate with party loyal delegates that were elected by Trump people who don't understand the process route, but anything other than giving Trump the nomination or everyone actually rallying around Ted to give him a majority of delegates and the party falls apart. I would have agreed a month ago, but I'm not so sure anymore. | ||
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