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On March 08 2016 06:45 GreenHorizons wrote:


Is that when you tell them you're supporting the candidate that's been paid a millions of dollars by that health insurance lobby instead of the one who isn't and is for universal healthcare?

On March 08 2016 06:45 GreenHorizons wrote:


Is that when you tell them you're supporting the candidate that's been paid a millions of dollars by that health insurance lobby instead of the one who isn't and is for universal healthcare?

On March 08 2016 06:45 GreenHorizons wrote:


Is that when you tell them you're supporting the candidate that's been paid a millions of dollars by that health insurance lobby instead of the one who isn't and is for universal healthcare?

On March 08 2016 06:52 Plansix wrote:

Because I have bigger fish to fry and both myself and my fiancée are covered. I just survived the 8 year battle for the ACA and I’m done. We can slowly repair healthcare within that system going forward.

And these constant question about why I didn’t vote for your guy is making me a real fan if him. Let me tell you, its huge. The Bernie supporters of facebook constantly posting things about Hilary, attacking her, really productive stuff. Makes me love Bernie more and more.

Bernie seems like a great guy, but man do his supporters suck. And head to head polls are garbage. Always have been.

On March 08 2016 07:02 ticklishmusic wrote:


Lobbying is kind of a fundamental right and whatnot.

Health insurers are part of the problem (they're a smaller part than you would think too) but also part of the solution. Same applies to Wall Street, the oil and gas companies and everyone else. If you view the other side as the enemy, it's going to make change much more difficult.

That viewpoint results in Sanders having the lowest bipartisanship score in the Senate and =28]3 bills passed while in Congress.

On March 08 2016 07:05 GreenHorizons wrote:



Wasn't there recently a conversation on the "I got mine" mentality?

Bernie supporters are trying to get through to people that by voting for Hillary they are embracing so many of the things they say they don't like about politics for the sake of a victory that is hopeful at best.

Money in politics, lying leaders, inadequate healthcare, less than a living wage, corporate welfare, fracking, O&G, pipelines, Hawkish FP, arming dictators and/or terrorists, and that's just a short list of some of the stuff she has openly admitted to supporting.

None of which Hillary supporters will be able to say they didn't vote for. I agree though, things would be more productive if Hillary dropped out and focused on the investigations into her and her foundation.

On March 08 2016 07:05 GreenHorizons wrote:



Wasn't there recently a conversation on the "I got mine" mentality?

Bernie supporters are trying to get through to people that by voting for Hillary they are embracing so many of the things they say they don't like about politics for the sake of a victory that is hopeful at best.

Money in politics, lying leaders, inadequate healthcare, less than a living wage, corporate welfare, fracking, O&G, pipelines, Hawkish FP, arming dictators and/or terrorists, and that's just a short list of some of the stuff she has openly admitted to supporting.

None of which Hillary supporters will be able to say they didn't vote for. I agree though, things would be more productive if Hillary dropped out and focused on the investigations into her and her foundation.

On March 08 2016 07:08 Plansix wrote:

GH, you are a broken record that says nothing new. The only thing you have managed to do in this thread is make me hate Bernie Sanders and his shitbird supporters.

On March 08 2016 07:08 Naracs_Duc wrote:


College aged kids being happy about a candidate wanting to make college free feels a bit... exactly what the system is intended to do. Those same college kids getting upset that someone who's target audience is the rest of america feels a bit... sad.

On March 08 2016 07:09 GreenHorizons wrote:


lol Must be working then. Rather than point the anger at the broken system and corrupt candidate you're supporting you are on the last leg of defense by pushing that anger toward those who are pointing out that you're anger is misplaced.

On March 08 2016 07:16 Plansix wrote:

I bet that is it. That must be it. This system is so broken it has turned me against you. Its not that you’re obnoxious. That could be it.

I once asked my father who the worst Christians were(he is Catholic), he said “The converted, ” with absolute conviction, are without doubt.

On March 08 2016 07:14 ticklishmusic wrote:
It's not a "I got mine" mentality. It's a "we fought really hard to get this and now we don't want to let good be the enemy of great".

Healthcare. When Obama and Clinton were running for the nomination, Clinton called Obama naive for thinking healthcare reform would work without a individual mandate (she was right). The public option didn't make it through (Ted Kennedy died). Obama had 59! senators, and the ACA was the best he could get done. Where we stand today, single payer is a pipe dream. Dreams are nice, but they're dreams. They are no more real than the nightmare perpetuated by some of the right.

I think we've gone over most of the other points a million times. It's quite unnecessary for us to go over them again, especially on Monday evening.

I'm excited for millions in Mississippi and Michigan to vote against their interests tomorrow.

On March 08 2016 06:56 RvB wrote:

Mr Modi is more talk than actual change. He can't even get his proposal for a nationwide goods and services tax trough parliament which was supposed to be his biggest reform.

Pick a farm trend in the past decade and urban agriculture is likely to top the list. But for all the timely appeal of having a little house on the urban prairie, the practice often raises a simple question: Can anyone earn a living doing it?

The answer: Not by much, according to a new survey of 370 urban farmers across the U.S., published this month in the British Food Journal. But researchers suggest that the modest profit to be had might not be as big of a downside as you think.

The average urban farm sees sales of just under $54,000 a year, according to the survey, although hydroponic operations earn more than double that and rooftop farms one-sixth of it. That modest paycheck may be why 1 in 3 urban farmers reported earning their living from their farms. And keep in mind that "this does not provide information about standard of living," study co-author Carolyn Dimitri, an economist in New York University's food studies department, said in an email.

That doesn't necessarily mean urban farms are outliers for American agriculture. Seventy-five percent of all farms in the U.S. post less than $50,000 a year in sales, according to the U.S. Department of Agriculture; the bulk of American agricultural output comes from farms with sales of $1 million or more. What's more, many American farmers hold a second job, off-farm. Recent USDA data suggests that American farmers depend on second jobs for anywhere from 10 to 83 percent of their incomes, depending on what they raise.

Many urban farmers, however, see themselves less as profit-driven businesses and more as social enterprises addressing concerns like food insecurity, education and community-building. Two-thirds of the farms surveyed identified those three concerns as their primary focus, while about a quarter said they were driven by market concerns. (The remaining 10 percent of farmers indicated missions that could not be neatly classified in those four categories; Dimitri said these farms were generally occupied with a social mission other than those listed.)

On March 08 2016 07:09 GreenHorizons wrote:


lol Must be working then. Rather than point the anger at the broken system and corrupt candidate you're supporting you are on the last leg of defense by pushing that anger toward those who are pointing out that your anger is misplaced.



Most everyone in college is smart enough to know their college wouldn't likely be free. They are just still close enough to not be bitter and want others to suffer through crushing debt out of some sort of retributive equality of suffering.

The whole "it's college kids" thing is way played out too. He's winning everyone under 65, pretty sure it's not just college folks. Not to mention my local meeting had maybe 20 out of 200 that were under 45.

People are clearly forming their opinions based almost exclusively on repeating what the MSM is saying rather than any sort of deep look at Bernie's support (beyond the internet).

On March 08 2016 07:27 ticklishmusic wrote:
Bloomberg confirms he's not gonna make a run

On March 08 2016 07:31 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
Urban farming not as profitable as rural farming shocker. How is that noteworthy news?