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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
March 07 2016 19:20 GMT
#64281
"If we didn't lose to this guy constantly and promise our base shit he would never let us have, there would be no Trump" - Graham.
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IgnE
Profile Joined November 2010
United States7681 Posts
March 07 2016 19:42 GMT
#64282
On March 08 2016 00:26 oneofthem wrote:
dont think the damper on job creation and new businesses/expansions is primarily a short run demand side problem.( a long
run demand thing like demographics is real) growth is strong in some of the more tech driven areas and corp profit is persistently high in an environment of very active m&a but no new entrants to traditional sectors.

it is a mix between demand, outsourcing and higher complexity of global mkt representing barrier to entry. some shortterm focus of management too.
weve talked about this previously. temporary slack caused by low aggregate demand isnt that big right now. problem is more structural

NYT Too Many Young People

Demographics are the issue? Seems more like technology-based structural problems (robotization, market disruptions) that are responsible for increasingly intensive production gains. World doesn't lack young people.
The unrealistic sound of these propositions is indicative, not of their utopian character, but of the strength of the forces which prevent their realization.
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
March 07 2016 20:09 GMT
#64283
Marco Rubio trails Donald Trump in his home state of Florida, where he has all but guaranteed victory, according to the results of the latest Monmouth University poll out Monday — and his support appears to be collapsing among those yet to vote.

Trump earned the support of 38 percent of likely Republican primary voters, while Rubio drew 30 percent. The gulf between the top two candidates and the rest of the field is wider — Texas Sen. Ted Cruz finished third with 17 percent, while Ohio Gov. John Kasich took just 10 percent, and 1 percent chose Ben Carson, though his name was only included on the first day of the Thursday-to-Sunday survey period. Just 5 percent remain undecided among those candidates.

The Florida senator holds an 11-point lead over Trump (41 percent to 30 percent) in the southern part of the state, while Trump has run up a 22-point advantage in the central region (44 percent to 22 percent). The race is closest in the northern regions of the state, with Trump leading 36 percent to 32 percent.

Roughly four-in-10 (38 percent) of likely voters said they are completely decided on their choice, while 25 percent said they have a strong preference. Another 9 percent said they have a slight preference, while 10 percent said they are truly undecided. Among Trump voters, 67 percent said they have decided to vote for the real-estate magnate, while smaller shares said they have made up their minds on Kasich (59 percent), Rubio (55 percent) or Cruz (48 percent).

Rubio leads considerably among the 19 percent who said they have already voted, grabbing 48 percent to Trump's 23 percent. Among those who have not yet voted, however, Trump leads Rubio 42 percent to 26 percent. As of Monday morning, about 600,000 Florida Republicans had cast absentee ballots by mail or in-person early votes. That’s more than a quarter of the expected GOP electorate of 2 million in the closed primary state.


Source
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RvB
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Netherlands6263 Posts
March 07 2016 20:16 GMT
#64284
On March 08 2016 03:32 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Show nested quote +
The full scale of the financial rout facing millennials is revealed today in exclusive new data that points to a perfect storm of factors besetting an entire generation of young adults around the world.

A combination of debt, joblessness, globalisation, demographics and rising house prices is depressing the incomes and prospects of millions of young people across the developed world, resulting in unprecedented inequality between generations.

A Guardian investigation into the prospects of millennials – those born between 1980 and the mid-90s, and often otherwise known as Generation Y – has found they are increasingly being cut out of the wealth generated in western societies.

Where 30 years ago young adults used to earn more than national averages, now in many countries they have slumped to earning as much as 20% below their average compatriot. Pensioners by comparison have seen income soar.

In seven major economies in North America and Europe, the growth in income of the average young couple and families in their 20s has lagged dramatically behind national averages over the past 30 years.

In two of these countries – the US and Italy – disposable incomes for millennials are scarcely higher in real terms than they were 30 years ago, while the rest of the population has experienced handsome gains.

It is likely to be the first time in industrialised history, save for periods of war or natural disaster, that the incomes of young adults have fallen so far when compared with the rest of society.


Source

We don't vote while old people do and so we're basically screwed. The Economist had a special report about the problems of millenials a while ago. Imo the political system at the moment doesn't work for the young it works for the old and the entrenched interests.
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
March 07 2016 20:24 GMT
#64285
One of Ted Cruz’s super PACs says it is aiming to take out Marco Rubio in his home state of Florida.

And the super PAC has prepared an array of new attack ads hitting Rubio — on sugar subsidies, on his tax plan, on amnesty and on national defense — with plans to air them in the Sunshine State.

“We had so much fun winning Sen. Cruz’s home state by 17 points, we thought why not repeat that in Sen. Rubio’s home state?” said Kellyanne Conway, the Republican strategist who heads Keep the Promise I, which created the ads. The group is funded mostly by $11 million from hedge fund magnate Robert Mercer, and had $2.75 million in the bank at the end of January.

The spots, which are 30 seconds long, were posted late Sunday to the YouTube channel of Keep The Promise I, one of the main pro-Cruz super PACs.

“They’ll be on the air, including if not especially in FL,” Conway said in an email.

The ads are especially notable because on the trail Cruz and Rubio have struck a bit of a truce, even as Cruz has tried to nudge Rubio out of the race. At last week’s debate in Detroit, the two senators refrained from jabbing each other and instead hit front-runner Donald Trump in unison.

Some Republican strategists who believe that the only way to stop Trump is through a contested convention have argued that Cruz, Rubio and John Kasich should work together in a delegate-denial strategy. That would involve Cruz essentially ceding Florida and its 99, winner-take-all delegates to Rubio. Cruz has publicly rebuked that notion, and his campaign says he is the only non-Trump candidate still with a path to the nomination.


Source

The best part?

A third ad hits Rubio on national defense and his Senate attendance, saying he skipped “18 defense votes.” It includes a past clip of Rubio saying skipping a vote is the equivalent of a “no” vote and then asks, "So if not voting is voting against it, was Rubio voting against defense spending and fighting ISIS?"

"Marco Rubio: Absent on national defense,” the ad ends.

In response, Rubio's campaign said voters in Florida believe Rubio is the best bet against Hillary Clinton.


Sign of resignation perhaps?
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
March 07 2016 20:33 GMT
#64286
On March 08 2016 04:42 IgnE wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 08 2016 00:26 oneofthem wrote:
dont think the damper on job creation and new businesses/expansions is primarily a short run demand side problem.( a long
run demand thing like demographics is real) growth is strong in some of the more tech driven areas and corp profit is persistently high in an environment of very active m&a but no new entrants to traditional sectors.

it is a mix between demand, outsourcing and higher complexity of global mkt representing barrier to entry. some shortterm focus of management too.
weve talked about this previously. temporary slack caused by low aggregate demand isnt that big right now. problem is more structural

NYT Too Many Young People

Demographics are the issue? Seems more like technology-based structural problems (robotization, market disruptions) that are responsible for increasingly intensive production gains. World doesn't lack young people.
was talking about the u.s. and other wealthy mkts having aging population
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15737 Posts
March 07 2016 21:22 GMT
#64287
On March 08 2016 05:24 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Show nested quote +
One of Ted Cruz’s super PACs says it is aiming to take out Marco Rubio in his home state of Florida.

And the super PAC has prepared an array of new attack ads hitting Rubio — on sugar subsidies, on his tax plan, on amnesty and on national defense — with plans to air them in the Sunshine State.

“We had so much fun winning Sen. Cruz’s home state by 17 points, we thought why not repeat that in Sen. Rubio’s home state?” said Kellyanne Conway, the Republican strategist who heads Keep the Promise I, which created the ads. The group is funded mostly by $11 million from hedge fund magnate Robert Mercer, and had $2.75 million in the bank at the end of January.

The spots, which are 30 seconds long, were posted late Sunday to the YouTube channel of Keep The Promise I, one of the main pro-Cruz super PACs.

“They’ll be on the air, including if not especially in FL,” Conway said in an email.

The ads are especially notable because on the trail Cruz and Rubio have struck a bit of a truce, even as Cruz has tried to nudge Rubio out of the race. At last week’s debate in Detroit, the two senators refrained from jabbing each other and instead hit front-runner Donald Trump in unison.

Some Republican strategists who believe that the only way to stop Trump is through a contested convention have argued that Cruz, Rubio and John Kasich should work together in a delegate-denial strategy. That would involve Cruz essentially ceding Florida and its 99, winner-take-all delegates to Rubio. Cruz has publicly rebuked that notion, and his campaign says he is the only non-Trump candidate still with a path to the nomination.


Source

The best part?

Show nested quote +
A third ad hits Rubio on national defense and his Senate attendance, saying he skipped “18 defense votes.” It includes a past clip of Rubio saying skipping a vote is the equivalent of a “no” vote and then asks, "So if not voting is voting against it, was Rubio voting against defense spending and fighting ISIS?"

"Marco Rubio: Absent on national defense,” the ad ends.

In response, Rubio's campaign said voters in Florida believe Rubio is the best bet against Hillary Clinton.


Sign of resignation perhaps?


Who resigning? Rubio?

This whole idea of hoping for a brokered convention baffles me. Let's say Trump barely doesn't hit the needed delegate count. What then? It's not like he's not a problem at that point. I don't understand the end game here.
IgnE
Profile Joined November 2010
United States7681 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-03-07 21:25:36
March 07 2016 21:22 GMT
#64288
@oneofthem

Even those markets still have an un(der)employed youth problem.

As for your trade-hawking, Modi's pro-trade policies in India aren't doing so well, what with the unemployed youth riots. Maybe Modi just needs an Indian subcontinent TPP to turn things around. More IP protection for Bollywood and smog masks.
The unrealistic sound of these propositions is indicative, not of their utopian character, but of the strength of the forces which prevent their realization.
kwizach
Profile Joined June 2011
3658 Posts
March 07 2016 21:28 GMT
#64289
On March 08 2016 06:22 Mohdoo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 08 2016 05:24 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
One of Ted Cruz’s super PACs says it is aiming to take out Marco Rubio in his home state of Florida.

And the super PAC has prepared an array of new attack ads hitting Rubio — on sugar subsidies, on his tax plan, on amnesty and on national defense — with plans to air them in the Sunshine State.

“We had so much fun winning Sen. Cruz’s home state by 17 points, we thought why not repeat that in Sen. Rubio’s home state?” said Kellyanne Conway, the Republican strategist who heads Keep the Promise I, which created the ads. The group is funded mostly by $11 million from hedge fund magnate Robert Mercer, and had $2.75 million in the bank at the end of January.

The spots, which are 30 seconds long, were posted late Sunday to the YouTube channel of Keep The Promise I, one of the main pro-Cruz super PACs.

“They’ll be on the air, including if not especially in FL,” Conway said in an email.

The ads are especially notable because on the trail Cruz and Rubio have struck a bit of a truce, even as Cruz has tried to nudge Rubio out of the race. At last week’s debate in Detroit, the two senators refrained from jabbing each other and instead hit front-runner Donald Trump in unison.

Some Republican strategists who believe that the only way to stop Trump is through a contested convention have argued that Cruz, Rubio and John Kasich should work together in a delegate-denial strategy. That would involve Cruz essentially ceding Florida and its 99, winner-take-all delegates to Rubio. Cruz has publicly rebuked that notion, and his campaign says he is the only non-Trump candidate still with a path to the nomination.


Source

The best part?

A third ad hits Rubio on national defense and his Senate attendance, saying he skipped “18 defense votes.” It includes a past clip of Rubio saying skipping a vote is the equivalent of a “no” vote and then asks, "So if not voting is voting against it, was Rubio voting against defense spending and fighting ISIS?"

"Marco Rubio: Absent on national defense,” the ad ends.

In response, Rubio's campaign said voters in Florida believe Rubio is the best bet against Hillary Clinton.


Sign of resignation perhaps?

This whole idea of hoping for a brokered convention baffles me. Let's say Trump barely doesn't hit the needed delegate count. What then? It's not like he's not a problem at that point. I don't understand the end game here.

I think the idea is either to sacrifice the general election by picking someone else than Trump (but that's unlikely considering that it would mean many voters would turn away from the Republican party, even for Congressional elections) or have more leverage over Trump with regards to his running-mate and what he would be "allowed to say/do" as the Republican nominee between the Convention and the general election.
"Oedipus ruined a great sex life by asking too many questions." -- Stephen Colbert
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
March 07 2016 21:31 GMT
#64290
On March 08 2016 06:22 Mohdoo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 08 2016 05:24 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
One of Ted Cruz’s super PACs says it is aiming to take out Marco Rubio in his home state of Florida.

And the super PAC has prepared an array of new attack ads hitting Rubio — on sugar subsidies, on his tax plan, on amnesty and on national defense — with plans to air them in the Sunshine State.

“We had so much fun winning Sen. Cruz’s home state by 17 points, we thought why not repeat that in Sen. Rubio’s home state?” said Kellyanne Conway, the Republican strategist who heads Keep the Promise I, which created the ads. The group is funded mostly by $11 million from hedge fund magnate Robert Mercer, and had $2.75 million in the bank at the end of January.

The spots, which are 30 seconds long, were posted late Sunday to the YouTube channel of Keep The Promise I, one of the main pro-Cruz super PACs.

“They’ll be on the air, including if not especially in FL,” Conway said in an email.

The ads are especially notable because on the trail Cruz and Rubio have struck a bit of a truce, even as Cruz has tried to nudge Rubio out of the race. At last week’s debate in Detroit, the two senators refrained from jabbing each other and instead hit front-runner Donald Trump in unison.

Some Republican strategists who believe that the only way to stop Trump is through a contested convention have argued that Cruz, Rubio and John Kasich should work together in a delegate-denial strategy. That would involve Cruz essentially ceding Florida and its 99, winner-take-all delegates to Rubio. Cruz has publicly rebuked that notion, and his campaign says he is the only non-Trump candidate still with a path to the nomination.


Source

The best part?

A third ad hits Rubio on national defense and his Senate attendance, saying he skipped “18 defense votes.” It includes a past clip of Rubio saying skipping a vote is the equivalent of a “no” vote and then asks, "So if not voting is voting against it, was Rubio voting against defense spending and fighting ISIS?"

"Marco Rubio: Absent on national defense,” the ad ends.

In response, Rubio's campaign said voters in Florida believe Rubio is the best bet against Hillary Clinton.


Sign of resignation perhaps?


Who resigning? Rubio?

This whole idea of hoping for a brokered convention baffles me. Let's say Trump barely doesn't hit the needed delegate count. What then? It's not like he's not a problem at that point. I don't understand the end game here.

Every political reporters dream, a brokered convention. The nightmare of the fractured GOP giving form and forced to pick a candidate for themselves without the public’s mandate.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-03-07 21:32:18
March 07 2016 21:31 GMT
#64291
Sen. Ted Cruz (R-TX) is set to unveil his first endorsements from colleagues in the Senate this week, according to a report from the National Review.

As Republican frontrunner Donald Trump continues to rack up primary wins, more than four senators are slated to endorse Cruz's presidential bid, an unnamed source with knowledge of the situation told the magazine.

Cruz has yet to announce a single endorsement from another senator, a fact critics have pointed to as evidence of the candidate's unlikability.

But the endorsements could signal Republicans beginning to rally behind Cruz as their best chance to stop Trump from securing the party's nomination.


Source
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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
March 07 2016 21:36 GMT
#64292
An announcement of an announcement, Ted Cruz has a friend in the senate. Just one. This only friend.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
oBlade
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States5896 Posts
March 07 2016 21:37 GMT
#64293
We're talking about one of the top 2 senators from Texas.
"I read it. You know how to read, you ignorant fuck?" - Andy Dufresne
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
March 07 2016 21:38 GMT
#64294
Every state only has two senators. There can be only one top senator from a given state.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
oBlade
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States5896 Posts
March 07 2016 21:39 GMT
#64295
On March 08 2016 06:38 Plansix wrote:
Every state only has two senators. There can be only one top senator from a given state.

Did you really not get that joke or are you trying to go further with it here?
"I read it. You know how to read, you ignorant fuck?" - Andy Dufresne
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
March 07 2016 21:42 GMT
#64296
Honestly, I can’t tell if you are joking or being indignant most of the time.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
March 07 2016 21:42 GMT
#64297
Soon Ted Cruz will have more Senate endorsements than Bernie Sanders.
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Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15737 Posts
March 07 2016 21:43 GMT
#64298
On March 08 2016 06:28 kwizach wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 08 2016 06:22 Mohdoo wrote:
On March 08 2016 05:24 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
One of Ted Cruz’s super PACs says it is aiming to take out Marco Rubio in his home state of Florida.

And the super PAC has prepared an array of new attack ads hitting Rubio — on sugar subsidies, on his tax plan, on amnesty and on national defense — with plans to air them in the Sunshine State.

“We had so much fun winning Sen. Cruz’s home state by 17 points, we thought why not repeat that in Sen. Rubio’s home state?” said Kellyanne Conway, the Republican strategist who heads Keep the Promise I, which created the ads. The group is funded mostly by $11 million from hedge fund magnate Robert Mercer, and had $2.75 million in the bank at the end of January.

The spots, which are 30 seconds long, were posted late Sunday to the YouTube channel of Keep The Promise I, one of the main pro-Cruz super PACs.

“They’ll be on the air, including if not especially in FL,” Conway said in an email.

The ads are especially notable because on the trail Cruz and Rubio have struck a bit of a truce, even as Cruz has tried to nudge Rubio out of the race. At last week’s debate in Detroit, the two senators refrained from jabbing each other and instead hit front-runner Donald Trump in unison.

Some Republican strategists who believe that the only way to stop Trump is through a contested convention have argued that Cruz, Rubio and John Kasich should work together in a delegate-denial strategy. That would involve Cruz essentially ceding Florida and its 99, winner-take-all delegates to Rubio. Cruz has publicly rebuked that notion, and his campaign says he is the only non-Trump candidate still with a path to the nomination.


Source

The best part?

A third ad hits Rubio on national defense and his Senate attendance, saying he skipped “18 defense votes.” It includes a past clip of Rubio saying skipping a vote is the equivalent of a “no” vote and then asks, "So if not voting is voting against it, was Rubio voting against defense spending and fighting ISIS?"

"Marco Rubio: Absent on national defense,” the ad ends.

In response, Rubio's campaign said voters in Florida believe Rubio is the best bet against Hillary Clinton.


Sign of resignation perhaps?

This whole idea of hoping for a brokered convention baffles me. Let's say Trump barely doesn't hit the needed delegate count. What then? It's not like he's not a problem at that point. I don't understand the end game here.

I think the idea is either to sacrifice the general election by picking someone else than Trump (but that's unlikely considering that it would mean many voters would turn away from the Republican party, even for Congressional elections) or have more leverage over Trump with regards to his running-mate and what he would be "allowed to say/do" as the Republican nominee between the Convention and the general election.


So "best case scenario" is losing in 2016? And their only other choice is the death of the party at the hands of Trump?

Also, real talk: Am I the only one who thinks the GOP has a better future with Trump than Cruz or Rubio? Trump gives the GOP a future. Cruz just keeps the ship sinking. It sounds nuts, but I really think the GOP could win in 2016 if the establishment told Trump to just go nuts and do what he thinks might work. Imagine if the GOP were united right now.

On March 08 2016 06:31 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 08 2016 06:22 Mohdoo wrote:
On March 08 2016 05:24 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
One of Ted Cruz’s super PACs says it is aiming to take out Marco Rubio in his home state of Florida.

And the super PAC has prepared an array of new attack ads hitting Rubio — on sugar subsidies, on his tax plan, on amnesty and on national defense — with plans to air them in the Sunshine State.

“We had so much fun winning Sen. Cruz’s home state by 17 points, we thought why not repeat that in Sen. Rubio’s home state?” said Kellyanne Conway, the Republican strategist who heads Keep the Promise I, which created the ads. The group is funded mostly by $11 million from hedge fund magnate Robert Mercer, and had $2.75 million in the bank at the end of January.

The spots, which are 30 seconds long, were posted late Sunday to the YouTube channel of Keep The Promise I, one of the main pro-Cruz super PACs.

“They’ll be on the air, including if not especially in FL,” Conway said in an email.

The ads are especially notable because on the trail Cruz and Rubio have struck a bit of a truce, even as Cruz has tried to nudge Rubio out of the race. At last week’s debate in Detroit, the two senators refrained from jabbing each other and instead hit front-runner Donald Trump in unison.

Some Republican strategists who believe that the only way to stop Trump is through a contested convention have argued that Cruz, Rubio and John Kasich should work together in a delegate-denial strategy. That would involve Cruz essentially ceding Florida and its 99, winner-take-all delegates to Rubio. Cruz has publicly rebuked that notion, and his campaign says he is the only non-Trump candidate still with a path to the nomination.


Source

The best part?

A third ad hits Rubio on national defense and his Senate attendance, saying he skipped “18 defense votes.” It includes a past clip of Rubio saying skipping a vote is the equivalent of a “no” vote and then asks, "So if not voting is voting against it, was Rubio voting against defense spending and fighting ISIS?"

"Marco Rubio: Absent on national defense,” the ad ends.

In response, Rubio's campaign said voters in Florida believe Rubio is the best bet against Hillary Clinton.


Sign of resignation perhaps?


Who resigning? Rubio?

This whole idea of hoping for a brokered convention baffles me. Let's say Trump barely doesn't hit the needed delegate count. What then? It's not like he's not a problem at that point. I don't understand the end game here.

Every political reporters dream, a brokered convention. The nightmare of the fractured GOP giving form and forced to pick a candidate for themselves without the public’s mandate.


It sounds like a brokered convention is a nightmare, but if the establishment is orchestrating it, I just don't understand.
Introvert
Profile Joined April 2011
United States4908 Posts
March 07 2016 21:44 GMT
#64299
After the debate and Saturday, it appears the GOP may have reversed themselves. They may rather risk a loss with Cruz that keeps the party together, than lose it with Trump. Or they just want to boost Cruz enough to deny Trump a "mandate" at the convention. Because it looks like Rubio might win Florida, and not much else. It's all very interesting, especially after the story with Lindsey Graham last week.

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GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States23653 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-03-07 21:45:56
March 07 2016 21:45 GMT
#64300
On March 08 2016 00:52 Plansix wrote:
I have so many friends from Canada and the EU that can’t understand why the US system is so terrible and people put up with it. Then I have to explain to them that the health insurance lobby has a lot of influence over government and donates heavily. Then they ask why we put up with that too.

By the end it, it degrades down to the fact that we are terrified of government, so we will let anyone else screw us over so long as we don’t vote for them.


Is that when you tell them you're supporting the candidate that's been paid a millions of dollars by that health insurance lobby instead of the one who isn't and is for universal healthcare?
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
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