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On March 07 2016 14:40 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2016 13:23 oBlade wrote:On March 07 2016 13:01 Nyxisto wrote:On March 07 2016 12:57 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:
So does Sanders free college policy apply to every course?
What about liberal arts courses like Gender studies, art history & philosophy.Courses with no jobs at the end of them, courses that already have far too many students enrolled on a supply/demand (for work) basis.
Sanders fans, please explain to me the benefit to society and the taxpayer of putting more students through gender studies or art history at the publics expense.What is in it for the taxpayer. history & philosophy students have quite solid job prospects, apart from that isn't offering people as much self-realization as possible kind of the point of society? If someone wants to study history because he is a great history enthusiast isn't that good? Why does the government need to finance that in the here and now? The government doesn't fund things, taxpayers do. College grads pay more taxes. It works out.
The more people that have a degree the less value that degree has in the job market.
The ideas posted above, that taxpayers should fund kids college education in courses like gender studies or art history because it will make those kids "happy" are truly laughable.Thats the best you guys have?
One other thing, you don't foresee any kind of resentment from those kids who paid for college and have $50,000 in loans to pay back? Resentment toward the kids who now don't pay a dime? They will campaign to have all student debt wiped, and who picks up that tab?
The whole idea is totally crazy.
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On March 07 2016 14:40 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2016 13:23 oBlade wrote:On March 07 2016 13:01 Nyxisto wrote:On March 07 2016 12:57 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:
So does Sanders free college policy apply to every course?
What about liberal arts courses like Gender studies, art history & philosophy.Courses with no jobs at the end of them, courses that already have far too many students enrolled on a supply/demand (for work) basis.
Sanders fans, please explain to me the benefit to society and the taxpayer of putting more students through gender studies or art history at the publics expense.What is in it for the taxpayer. history & philosophy students have quite solid job prospects, apart from that isn't offering people as much self-realization as possible kind of the point of society? If someone wants to study history because he is a great history enthusiast isn't that good? Why does the government need to finance that in the here and now? The government doesn't fund things, taxpayers do. College grads pay more taxes. It works out.
How does it work, specifically?
People pay taxes now. If Bernie gets into office and gets his plan in motion the first year, how would the people graduating on a free ride in 2021 pay taxes any differently than those graduating in 2020 using funding from federal loan programs that Bernie admits will make $110 billion over the next 10 years?
On March 07 2016 14:49 Plansix wrote:
My favorite part about that image is that it so clearly part of a larger quote with more context. But this is the part salt white people want to be mad at, so only those lines matter.
Do you want to grant the same understanding to Trump quotes by any chance?
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On March 07 2016 14:23 GGTeMpLaR wrote:I just can't respect Sanders anymore after he said this ![[image loading]](http://i.4cdn.org/pol/1457324112059.jpg) About 2 months ago I thought he was the best candidate but the past 2 weeks he's been selling his soul to try to garner this 'black vote'. I'm probably not going to vote but in the ideal world we could just put Kasich in the oval office and call it a day.
Nah, don't fault Bernie for this. He's just taking the Democrat party's identity politics to its logical conclusion.
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On March 07 2016 14:53 oBlade wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2016 14:40 KwarK wrote:On March 07 2016 13:23 oBlade wrote:On March 07 2016 13:01 Nyxisto wrote:On March 07 2016 12:57 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:
So does Sanders free college policy apply to every course?
What about liberal arts courses like Gender studies, art history & philosophy.Courses with no jobs at the end of them, courses that already have far too many students enrolled on a supply/demand (for work) basis.
Sanders fans, please explain to me the benefit to society and the taxpayer of putting more students through gender studies or art history at the publics expense.What is in it for the taxpayer. history & philosophy students have quite solid job prospects, apart from that isn't offering people as much self-realization as possible kind of the point of society? If someone wants to study history because he is a great history enthusiast isn't that good? Why does the government need to finance that in the here and now? The government doesn't fund things, taxpayers do. College grads pay more taxes. It works out. How does it work, specifically? People pay taxes now. If Bernie gets into office and gets his plan in motion the first year, how would the people graduating on a free ride in 2021 pay taxes any differently than those graduating in 2020 using funding from federal loan programs that Bernie admits will make $110 billion over the next 10 years? Show nested quote +On March 07 2016 14:49 Plansix wrote:
My favorite part about that image is that it so clearly part of a larger quote with more context. But this is the part salt white people want to be mad at, so only those lines matter. Do you want to grant the same understanding to Trump quotes by any chance?
You could play most Trump quotes with about 2 minutes of context before and after and they are still just as false as they were in the original quotes. I have yet to figure out if he is stupid enough to believe what he says or if he is just trying to sell stuff that is easily and provably false and figures if you just keep saying it people will believe it.
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People pay taxes now. If Bernie gets into office and gets his plan in motion the first year, how would the people graduating on a free ride in 2021 pay taxes any differently than those graduating in 2020 using funding from federal loan programs that Bernie admits will make $110 billion over the next 10 years?
That's assuming that the same amount of people would willingly go into huge amounts of debt compared to how many people would use the "free ride".
I love how people like you (specifically you, in fact) only see one side of the coin though, neglecting different issues that could be adressed for starters. How about you pay the people making millions and millions of dollars for schools (yes, i'm talking about sports), instead of accepting the weak ass attitude that "they're students and amateurs, that means ALL the revenue that they generate, which is what, around a couple of billions altogether, should belong to us"?
Your attitude is what will take the USA (even further) down in the long run. Trying to keep the "status quo" which clearly isn't adding up in the US is just idiotic.
And it all starts on a fundamental level. Including education.
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On March 07 2016 14:40 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2016 13:23 oBlade wrote:On March 07 2016 13:01 Nyxisto wrote:On March 07 2016 12:57 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:
So does Sanders free college policy apply to every course?
What about liberal arts courses like Gender studies, art history & philosophy.Courses with no jobs at the end of them, courses that already have far too many students enrolled on a supply/demand (for work) basis.
Sanders fans, please explain to me the benefit to society and the taxpayer of putting more students through gender studies or art history at the publics expense.What is in it for the taxpayer. history & philosophy students have quite solid job prospects, apart from that isn't offering people as much self-realization as possible kind of the point of society? If someone wants to study history because he is a great history enthusiast isn't that good? Why does the government need to finance that in the here and now? The government doesn't fund things, taxpayers do. College grads pay more taxes. It works out.
SOME college grads pay more taxes. Millions dont.
That's why there is a debt bubble in the first place. Kids by the millions majored in Gender studies and History and then wondered why they cant land a six figure job.
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On March 07 2016 14:49 Plansix wrote:
My favorite part about that image is that it so clearly part of a larger quote with more context. But this is the part salt white people want to be mad at, so only those lines matter.
Its a funny image because its clearly been made to make white people hate him by trying to set up race competition.
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On March 07 2016 14:51 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2016 14:40 KwarK wrote:On March 07 2016 13:23 oBlade wrote:On March 07 2016 13:01 Nyxisto wrote:On March 07 2016 12:57 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:
So does Sanders free college policy apply to every course?
What about liberal arts courses like Gender studies, art history & philosophy.Courses with no jobs at the end of them, courses that already have far too many students enrolled on a supply/demand (for work) basis.
Sanders fans, please explain to me the benefit to society and the taxpayer of putting more students through gender studies or art history at the publics expense.What is in it for the taxpayer. history & philosophy students have quite solid job prospects, apart from that isn't offering people as much self-realization as possible kind of the point of society? If someone wants to study history because he is a great history enthusiast isn't that good? Why does the government need to finance that in the here and now? The government doesn't fund things, taxpayers do. College grads pay more taxes. It works out. The more people that have a degree the less value that degree has in the job market. The ideas posted above, that taxpayers should fund kids college education in courses like gender studies or art history because it will make those kids "happy" are truly laughable.Thats the best you guys have? One other thing, you don't foresee any kind of resentment from those kids who paid for college and have $50,000 in loans to pay back? Resentment toward the kids who now don't pay a dime? They will campaign to have all student debt wiped, and who picks up that tab? The whole idea is totally crazy.
Except the situation is already degree saturation. Having a degree doesn't mean very much, but not having a degree makes you look really bad. Hence why so many people have to get into University or College.
And your last point is the dumbest argument ever. Nothing should be improved because the people who lived through a broken system are going to whine? If you applied that to everything else the entire country would be dead in the water.
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Every young adult should have 4 years at a day spa where they can fuck, drink, and frolic among their peers on an insulated campus. Right?
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On March 07 2016 15:07 m4ini wrote:Show nested quote +People pay taxes now. If Bernie gets into office and gets his plan in motion the first year, how would the people graduating on a free ride in 2021 pay taxes any differently than those graduating in 2020 using funding from federal loan programs that Bernie admits will make $110 billion over the next 10 years?
That's assuming that the same amount of people would willingly go into huge amounts of debt compared to how many people would use the "free ride".
Yes, for the sake of having a controlled thought experiment, I made the assumption that the marginal increase of attendance of the first year the program would be implemented would not be astronomical. (Currently 2/3 of HS graduates go to college.)
On March 07 2016 15:07 m4ini wrote:
I love how people like you (specifically you, in fact) only see one side of the coin though, neglecting different issues that could be adressed for starters. How about you pay the people making millions and millions of dollars for schools (yes, i'm talking about sports), instead of accepting the weak ass attitude that "they're students and amateurs, that means ALL the revenue that they generate, which is what, around a couple of billions altogether, should belong to us"?
Your attitude is what will take the USA (even further) down in the long run. Trying to keep the "status quo" which clearly isn't adding up in the US is just idiotic.
And it all starts on a fundamental level. Including education.
I never said a blessed thing about paying or not paying college athletes.
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On March 07 2016 15:16 IgnE wrote:
Every young adult should have 4 years at a day spa where they can fuck, drink, and frolic among their peers on an insulated campus. Right?
Hahahaha. This puts the issue in perfect perspective!
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On March 07 2016 15:09 TankWithBank wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2016 14:40 KwarK wrote:On March 07 2016 13:23 oBlade wrote:On March 07 2016 13:01 Nyxisto wrote:On March 07 2016 12:57 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:
So does Sanders free college policy apply to every course?
What about liberal arts courses like Gender studies, art history & philosophy.Courses with no jobs at the end of them, courses that already have far too many students enrolled on a supply/demand (for work) basis.
Sanders fans, please explain to me the benefit to society and the taxpayer of putting more students through gender studies or art history at the publics expense.What is in it for the taxpayer. history & philosophy students have quite solid job prospects, apart from that isn't offering people as much self-realization as possible kind of the point of society? If someone wants to study history because he is a great history enthusiast isn't that good? Why does the government need to finance that in the here and now? The government doesn't fund things, taxpayers do. College grads pay more taxes. It works out. SOME college grads pay more taxes. Millions dont. That's why there is a debt bubble in the first place. Kids by the millions majored in Gender studies and History and then wondered why they cant land a six figure job.
There is also a debt bubble because college tuition has increased insane amounts over the years that make it impossible to self fund unless your very rich or get some kind of scholarship ride.
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On March 07 2016 15:16 IgnE wrote:
Every young adult should have 4 years at a day spa where they can fuck, drink, and frolic among their peers on an insulated campus. Right?
The fact that your lower-tier colleges have nothing to do with education is another issue entirely.
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On March 07 2016 15:16 IgnE wrote:
Every young adult should have 4 years at a day spa where they can fuck, drink, and frolic among their peers on an insulated campus. Right?
Hey, I was paid for that !
Vive la France !
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People in the US talk such a big game when it comes to being friendly and open and the bastion of freedom of opportunity but really its just a country full of selfish people. Me me me, I must win and if someone else is winning then its my loss so no I don't want to pay for things that benefit other people because fuck them they all must be moochers who want everything given to them.
*meanwhile in Europe* Isn't it great that we have enriched our nation by investing in ourselves as a whole instead of being divided and letting some invisible hand work its magic?
Like there is 0 sense of community and unity in this country. Everyone is too individualistic and what groups do form are numerous with narrow goals and they all distrust each other (and also cut across cultural/racial/economic/religious lines).
We carved ourselves up into niches and everyone only wants their niche to win and thinks that they are 100% self reliant and every other group is just looking for hand outs on their dime.
No one actually wants to make America "great" again, they want to make whatever niche they are apart of to get theirs and who cares about the rest.
Fuck You. Got Mine is the motto of this country.
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On March 07 2016 15:23 corumjhaelen wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2016 15:16 IgnE wrote:
Every young adult should have 4 years at a day spa where they can fuck, drink, and frolic among their peers on an insulated campus. Right? Hey, I was paid for that ! Vive la France !
Can you get me in? Would I have to learn French?
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Yep Slaughter, on both sides. Reading both sides of this debate, it is clear even on this forum nobody really cares about other people. Empathy, mercy, respect, none of that I can really see when people lob shit at one another for a few pages. Of course, that is the natural course of politics and it gets ugly, this is very very tame.
But you know what? I don't give a shit about these stupid lines, that is why we have to work closer. My great-godparents are white and republican their entire life...what are they...94 now? They are the sweetest, true-est Americans I have ever met. Don't let this stupid line of Repub Demo get in the way of human kindness. They send letters every year during the holidays. They have never forgotten in the 20-30+ years.
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On March 07 2016 15:17 Slaughter wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2016 15:09 TankWithBank wrote:On March 07 2016 14:40 KwarK wrote:On March 07 2016 13:23 oBlade wrote:On March 07 2016 13:01 Nyxisto wrote:On March 07 2016 12:57 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:
So does Sanders free college policy apply to every course?
What about liberal arts courses like Gender studies, art history & philosophy.Courses with no jobs at the end of them, courses that already have far too many students enrolled on a supply/demand (for work) basis.
Sanders fans, please explain to me the benefit to society and the taxpayer of putting more students through gender studies or art history at the publics expense.What is in it for the taxpayer. history & philosophy students have quite solid job prospects, apart from that isn't offering people as much self-realization as possible kind of the point of society? If someone wants to study history because he is a great history enthusiast isn't that good? Why does the government need to finance that in the here and now? The government doesn't fund things, taxpayers do. College grads pay more taxes. It works out. SOME college grads pay more taxes. Millions dont. That's why there is a debt bubble in the first place. Kids by the millions majored in Gender studies and History and then wondered why they cant land a six figure job. There is also a debt bubble because college tuition has increased insane amounts over the years that make it impossible to self fund unless your very rich or get some kind of scholarship ride.
Im not going to deny the huge tuition some of the high end college cost.
However, these are adults we're talking about here, they should've known what they're getting into.
Colleges are businesses and no one force you to attend one.
I just expect people to have enough common sense to not spend 100k on a gender study degree.
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On March 07 2016 15:26 Slaughter wrote:
People in the US talk such a big game when it comes to being friendly and open and the bastion of freedom of opportunity but really its just a country full of selfish people. Me me me, I must win and if someone else is winning then its my loss so no I don't want to pay for things that benefit other people because fuck them they all must be moochers who want everything given to them.
*meanwhile in Europe* Isn't it great that we have enriched our nation by investing in ourselves as a whole instead of being divided and letting some invisible hand work its magic?
Like there is 0 sense of community and unity in this country. Everyone is too individualistic and what groups do form are numerous with narrow goals and they all distrust each other (and also cut across cultural/racial/economic/religious lines).
We carved ourselves up into niches and everyone only wants their niche to win and thinks that they are 100% self reliant and every other group is just looking for hand outs on their dime.
No one actually wants to make America "great" again, they want to make whatever niche they are apart of to get theirs and who cares about the rest.
Fuck You. Got Mine is the motto of this country.
Okay. We're going to making housing free for everybody. A domicile is more important than ever in this day and age. Especially with ballooning housing costs. Nobody will notice you without a place to live. And people who have housing pay taxes (homeless people pay less taxes) - so it all works out. If you're at all skeptical about the viability of the specifics of footing the bill for my rent, it means you hate helping people, are greedy, and just want to insult people by calling them moochers. What do you think?
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On March 07 2016 15:35 oBlade wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2016 15:26 Slaughter wrote:
People in the US talk such a big game when it comes to being friendly and open and the bastion of freedom of opportunity but really its just a country full of selfish people. Me me me, I must win and if someone else is winning then its my loss so no I don't want to pay for things that benefit other people because fuck them they all must be moochers who want everything given to them.
*meanwhile in Europe* Isn't it great that we have enriched our nation by investing in ourselves as a whole instead of being divided and letting some invisible hand work its magic?
Like there is 0 sense of community and unity in this country. Everyone is too individualistic and what groups do form are numerous with narrow goals and they all distrust each other (and also cut across cultural/racial/economic/religious lines).
We carved ourselves up into niches and everyone only wants their niche to win and thinks that they are 100% self reliant and every other group is just looking for hand outs on their dime.
No one actually wants to make America "great" again, they want to make whatever niche they are apart of to get theirs and who cares about the rest.
Fuck You. Got Mine is the motto of this country. Okay. We're going to making housing free for everybody. A domicile is more important than ever in this day and age. Especially with ballooning housing costs. Nobody will notice you without a place to live. And people who have housing pay taxes (homeless people pay less taxes) - so it all works out. If you're at all skeptical about the viability of the specifics of footing the bill for my rent, it means you hate helping people, are greedy, and just want to insult people by calling them moochers. What do you think?
Just saying, we have more houses than people who need homes sooo....
There are more than five times as many vacant homes in the U.S. as there are homeless people, according to Amnesty International USA.
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