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On March 07 2016 12:57 iPlaY.NettleS wrote: So does Sanders free college policy apply to every course? What about liberal arts courses like Gender studies, art history & philosophy.Courses with no jobs at the end of them, courses that already have far too many students enrolled on a supply/demand (for work) basis.
Sanders fans, please explain to me the benefit to society and the taxpayer of putting more students through gender studies or art history at the publics expense.What is in it for the taxpayer.
history & philosophy students have quite solid job prospects, apart from that isn't offering people as much self-realization as possible kind of the point of society? If someone wants to study history because he is a great history enthusiast isn't that good?
Why does the government need to finance that in the here and now?
On March 07 2016 12:57 iPlaY.NettleS wrote: So does Sanders free college policy apply to every course? What about liberal arts courses like Gender studies, art history & philosophy.Courses with no jobs at the end of them, courses that already have far too many students enrolled on a supply/demand (for work) basis.
Sanders fans, please explain to me the benefit to society and the taxpayer of putting more students through gender studies or art history at the publics expense.What is in it for the taxpayer.
history & philosophy students have quite solid job prospects, apart from that isn't offering people as much self-realization as possible kind of the point of society? If someone wants to study history because he is a great history enthusiast isn't that good?
Why does the government need to finance that in the here and now?
Why not? If it makes people happy I'd say we've won something. And again, unemployment in the humanities is very low, it's not even an economic issue. Universities should exist to help people become actual citizens, they're not supposed to be glorified degree mills. Education is valuable in itself.
FLINT, Mich. -- The campaign for the Democratic presidential nomination is supposedly over, with former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton clearly ahead of Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders and on her way to capturing a majority of delegates.
But for two hours on Sunday night, Clinton and Sanders debated as if the outcome was very much in doubt -- sparring over everything from trade and corporate welfare to health care and guns.
The debate, held in Flint, Michigan, was feisty and even cantankerous. Clinton and Sanders had several exchanges where they tried to talk over one another; Sanders, as always, brought his full array of facial expressions.
But the debate was also deeply substantive -- an argument between two seasoned politicians who have obviously given a lot of thought to the problems facing America, and what they would do about them.
The contrast to the Republican debate from last week, with its juvenile insults, could not have been more stark. Instead of discussing penis length, Clinton and Sanders argued over the sizes of their respective infrastructure programs.
In short, both Clinton and Sanders looked ready for prime time.
On March 07 2016 12:57 iPlaY.NettleS wrote: So does Sanders free college policy apply to every course? What about liberal arts courses like Gender studies, art history & philosophy.Courses with no jobs at the end of them, courses that already have far too many students enrolled on a supply/demand (for work) basis.
Sanders fans, please explain to me the benefit to society and the taxpayer of putting more students through gender studies or art history at the publics expense.What is in it for the taxpayer.
You mean Women's Studies, the very marketable degree that is sought after internationally and domestically? Who do you think runs battered women's shelters, rape clinics and Planned Parent hood? This stuff is comical because people just create this reality in their head where all liberal arts and humanities are not marketable and have no demand. They head about one useless degree and they just assume they all are.
On March 07 2016 13:26 Souma wrote: We could use more humanities education.
Too many dumdums lacking critical thinking abilities.
We need more STEM logic so everything can exist in a binary state of true or false, good or bad, viable or not viable. Critical thinking, nuance, context, analysis and critique are all garbage.
And anyone who thinks the government shouldn't be funding history & philosophy needs to take a minute and think where our legal system, democracy and government came from. It wasn't from the sciences.
On March 07 2016 13:36 Plansix wrote: And anyone who thinks the government shouldn't be funding history & philosophy needs to take a minute and think where our legal system, democracy and government came from. It wasn't from the sciences.
The computer you're posting from came from the sciences, but in terms of answering the question of whether the US government (therefore the US taxpayer) should totally subsidize a private citizen's engineering degree, that fact is a non sequitur.
Hillary is basically FDR in 1930, writing to a friend at the time that there was "no question in my mind that it is time for the country to become fairly radical for at least one generation. History shows that where this occurs occasionally, nations are saved from revolutions." Hillary has been pulled a bit left because of Bernie and may prefer "Reform if you would preserve" to revolution, but there's no question of the machine she serves.
On the other side of the coin, maybe we should remember that even the works of the great reformer FDR weren't "concrete plans" that were put out by his Presidential campaign and that were later methodically put into practice. It was (a "coalition"-building) vision (superintended by corporate elites with "expertise").
On March 07 2016 13:36 Plansix wrote: And anyone who thinks the government shouldn't be funding history & philosophy needs to take a minute and think where our legal system, democracy and government came from. It wasn't from the sciences.
The computer you're posting from came from the sciences, but in terms of answering the question of whether the US government (therefore the US taxpayer) should totally subsidize a private citizen's engineering degree, that fact is a non sequitur.
Other nations will simply invents in their work force, both in sciences and humanities fields and we will fall further behind. Other countries like India, China and the EU do not have the self loathing our country has for its higher education.
Former Secretary of State Colin Powell has a message for the Republican Party: "We have to become more respectful of each other."
Speaking on the death of former first lady Nancy Reagan, Powell said he believed she would be "disturbed" by the way her husband's legacy is invoked by some people today. Powell spoke in an interview with NPR's Michel Martin on All Things Considered.
Referring to the "civility" and "lack of any nastiness" he saw in Ronald Reagan, Powell, who served as Reagan's national security advisor, decried the tone of the current Republican presidential campaign. "To stand there and do junior high school tricks on one another is belittling the country and belittling the office to which they are striving," he said.
Powell added, "Even Jerry Springer thinks it's gone too far, and when Jerry Springer thinks you've gone too far, my friends, you have gone too far." He was referring to recent remarks in the Financial Times from Springer, who served as the Democratic mayor of Cincinnati, Ohio, in the late 1970s.
As recently as last Fall, Powell insisted that he remains a Republican, even though he supported Barack Obama in both the 2008 and 2012 presidential elections.
In both of those campaign years, Powell spoke out critically about the rhetoric of the GOP. "In 2008, I spoke out against calling the president a Muslim as if that was a curse. I don't know anything in the Constitution that says Muslims are bad," Powell said.
Colin Powell, one of the few sane Republicans and probably the closest they have to an elder statesman. It's a shame that Bush and Cheney made him fall on the sword when they misled him on WMD's.
On March 07 2016 13:36 Plansix wrote: And anyone who thinks the government shouldn't be funding history & philosophy needs to take a minute and think where our legal system, democracy and government came from. It wasn't from the sciences.
The computer you're posting from came from the sciences, but in terms of answering the question of whether the US government (therefore the US taxpayer) should totally subsidize a private citizen's engineering degree, that fact is a non sequitur.
Other nations will simply invents in their work force, both in sciences and humanities fields and we will fall further behind. Other countries like India, China and the EU do not have the self loathing our country has for its higher education.
I think most people will want more concrete reasoning for spending $75 billion annually than that it feels like a nice idea.
At 43:30 Trump answers a question about VPs, saying his running mate would probably be a politician and that he's respected some of the field so far. So I'm not too worried about it being Carson.
On March 07 2016 14:23 GGTeMpLaR wrote: I just can't respect Sanders anymore after he said this
About 2 months ago I thought he was the best candidate but the past 2 weeks he's been selling his soul to try to garner this 'black vote'.
I'm probably not going to vote but in the ideal world we could just put Kasich in the oval office and call it a day.
Politics will cause you to lose faith. Maybe for you it's his quote, or maybe you'll run into somebody that responds, "Well that's a good start for Bernie but he really should go farther about ignorant, privileged whites."
On March 07 2016 14:23 GGTeMpLaR wrote: I just can't respect Sanders anymore after he said this
About 2 months ago I thought he was the best candidate but the past 2 weeks he's been selling his soul to try to garner this 'black vote'.
I'm probably not going to vote but in the ideal world we could just put Kasich in the oval office and call it a day.
The amusing part about this is that you believe he is selling his soul and didn't always believe that. He is correct that someone who is white has no context for what it is to be black in America. Just like I don't know what its like to be white in china because I don't live there. And if you truly believe that blacks in the US are having the exact same experience as whites, Sanders was never the candidate for you.
On March 07 2016 12:57 iPlaY.NettleS wrote: So does Sanders free college policy apply to every course? What about liberal arts courses like Gender studies, art history & philosophy.Courses with no jobs at the end of them, courses that already have far too many students enrolled on a supply/demand (for work) basis.
Sanders fans, please explain to me the benefit to society and the taxpayer of putting more students through gender studies or art history at the publics expense.What is in it for the taxpayer.
history & philosophy students have quite solid job prospects, apart from that isn't offering people as much self-realization as possible kind of the point of society? If someone wants to study history because he is a great history enthusiast isn't that good?
Why does the government need to finance that in the here and now?
The government doesn't fund things, taxpayers do. College grads pay more taxes. It works out.
My favorite part about that image is that it so clearly part of a larger quote with more context. But this is the part salt white people want to be mad at, so only those lines matter.
EPT
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