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kwizach
Profile Joined June 2011
3658 Posts
March 04 2016 01:20 GMT
#62981
On March 04 2016 10:16 xDaunt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 04 2016 10:09 kwizach wrote:
On March 04 2016 10:03 xDaunt wrote:
On March 04 2016 10:01 Nyxisto wrote:
On March 04 2016 09:55 oneofthem wrote:
On March 04 2016 08:53 Nyxisto wrote:
Given the demographic development in the US wouldn't it make a lot more sense, at least long term, to try to appeal to Hispanic and black voters? Hardcore conservatives seem to poll absolutely terrible among these groups compared to democrats. So what is going farther to the right supposed to accomplish?

thats why rubio and cruz were boosted stars


Cruz is absolutely crazy as well though. What is he going to do to balance his 10% flat tax, abolish the army? I don't understand what the Republican party's strategy at all was from the beginning. There's not a single moderate in the race

Take off the European glasses if you're going to be commenting on US politics.

Wait, do you genuinely believe that a 10% flat tax is a good idea? Because knowing that it's not has nothing to do with being European and everything to do with living in the real world.

Your reading comprehension is terrible. Try again.

I didn't pay attention to the last part of his sentence. The only one who would qualify as a moderate is Kasich, yet some of his recent actions are not so moderate. It doesn't take a European to see that.

What's your take on Ted Cruz' flat tax?
"Oedipus ruined a great sex life by asking too many questions." -- Stephen Colbert
Nyxisto
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany6287 Posts
March 04 2016 01:24 GMT
#62982
I'm pretty sure Kasich is only moderate as long as you don't have a vagina
oBlade
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States6112 Posts
March 04 2016 01:25 GMT
#62983
On March 04 2016 10:14 oneofthem wrote:
uh how would that even split hillary's votes at all

How would adding another star to Alpha and Beta Centauri affect their orbits at all?

How would adding a bear to a cage with a lion and tiger affect who is dinner at all?
"I read it. You know how to read, you ignorant fuck?" - Andy Dufresne
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-03-04 01:28:24
March 04 2016 01:27 GMT
#62984
Kasich is more conservative than his mild manner suggests, though in style and substance he is the less crazy one. Also apparently he used to have a temper problem.

I don't see how adding an extra Republican to the race would hurt Hillary. Whatever damage is gonna be done is the right, not the left.
(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻
Kyadytim
Profile Joined March 2009
United States886 Posts
March 04 2016 01:37 GMT
#62985
On March 04 2016 08:45 xDaunt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 04 2016 08:26 Gorsameth wrote:
On March 04 2016 08:11 xDaunt wrote:
On March 04 2016 08:09 Danglars wrote:
Rick Santelli recalling the Crowley debate debacle.
Brutal, just brutal on Romney then and Romney now. Hell, he even has a good point on what primary voters see in Trump that they didn't see in Romney then.

And this is what is echoing in the minds of all conservatives right now: why the fuck does the Republican establishment fight its base harder than it fights the Democrats?

Because there is no future for the Republican Party on a national level if it accepted its new Tea Party base.
Yes it is their own fault they are in this position but their options are to fight their own base in an attempt to be nationally relevant, submit and support Cruz/Trump and lose any shot at a national victory or thirdly split the party and never win a national victory again.

Fighting their own base is their last resort.

You have it backwards. The only future for the Republican Party is if it reconciles with its base. It has no prayer of winning anything otherwise. After the 2012 election, I said that the way forward was for the Republican Party to adopt a more libertarian bent. Trump is showing a different way forward. Regardless, the status quo is unacceptable and unsustainable. The Republican Party needs to revamp its platform.

I'm curious as to what you consider to be the base the Republican Party needs to reconcile with which will win them elections.

Compared to the combined popularity of Trump and Cruz, who are running away with the primaries by actively rebelling against the Republican establishment, Ron Paul got destroyed when he ran, and Rand didn't do much better. Libertarian policies just don't seem to be very popular with Republican voters. I don't think that Republican Party's overall base really cares that much about the specific economic policies in the Republican Party's platform. Instead, what matters most to the majority seems to be either the government not being protectionist enough (of American jobs, American interests abroad, American culture) or the moral issues (abortion, gay marriage, evolution, whatever) that Republican candidates have campaigned on addressing but have failed to address.
oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-03-04 01:39:28
March 04 2016 01:38 GMT
#62986
On March 04 2016 10:25 oBlade wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 04 2016 10:14 oneofthem wrote:
uh how would that even split hillary's votes at all

How would adding another star to Alpha and Beta Centauri affect their orbits at all?

How would adding a bear to a cage with a lion and tiger affect who is dinner at all?

i give up
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
ErectedZenith
Profile Joined January 2016
325 Posts
March 04 2016 01:48 GMT
#62987
On March 04 2016 10:37 Kyadytim wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 04 2016 08:45 xDaunt wrote:
On March 04 2016 08:26 Gorsameth wrote:
On March 04 2016 08:11 xDaunt wrote:
On March 04 2016 08:09 Danglars wrote:
Rick Santelli recalling the Crowley debate debacle.
Brutal, just brutal on Romney then and Romney now. Hell, he even has a good point on what primary voters see in Trump that they didn't see in Romney then.

And this is what is echoing in the minds of all conservatives right now: why the fuck does the Republican establishment fight its base harder than it fights the Democrats?

Because there is no future for the Republican Party on a national level if it accepted its new Tea Party base.
Yes it is their own fault they are in this position but their options are to fight their own base in an attempt to be nationally relevant, submit and support Cruz/Trump and lose any shot at a national victory or thirdly split the party and never win a national victory again.

Fighting their own base is their last resort.

You have it backwards. The only future for the Republican Party is if it reconciles with its base. It has no prayer of winning anything otherwise. After the 2012 election, I said that the way forward was for the Republican Party to adopt a more libertarian bent. Trump is showing a different way forward. Regardless, the status quo is unacceptable and unsustainable. The Republican Party needs to revamp its platform.

I'm curious as to what you consider to be the base the Republican Party needs to reconcile with which will win them elections.

Compared to the combined popularity of Trump and Cruz, who are running away with the primaries by actively rebelling against the Republican establishment, Ron Paul got destroyed when he ran, and Rand didn't do much better. Libertarian policies just don't seem to be very popular with Republican voters. I don't think that Republican Party's overall base really cares that much about the specific economic policies in the Republican Party's platform. Instead, what matters most to the majority seems to be either the government not being protectionist enough (of American jobs, American interests abroad, American culture) or the moral issues (abortion, gay marriage, evolution, whatever) that Republican candidates have campaigned on addressing but have failed to address.


Honestly?

Both the Republicans and the Democrats have the same backers. They are owned by the same people until someone Sanders and Trump came along.
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18287 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-03-04 01:52:28
March 04 2016 01:48 GMT
#62988
On March 04 2016 10:05 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 04 2016 10:01 Nyxisto wrote:
On March 04 2016 09:55 oneofthem wrote:
On March 04 2016 08:53 Nyxisto wrote:
Given the demographic development in the US wouldn't it make a lot more sense, at least long term, to try to appeal to Hispanic and black voters? Hardcore conservatives seem to poll absolutely terrible among these groups compared to democrats. So what is going farther to the right supposed to accomplish?

thats why rubio and cruz were boosted stars


Cruz is absolutely crazy as well though. What is he going to do to balance his 10% flat tax, abolish the army? I don't understand what the Republican party's strategy at all was from the beginning. There's not a single moderate in the race


I think Kasich is more moderate, although I might be confusing political views with the fact that he's just more mild-mannered.

Kasich is an economic moderate and a social conservative, isn't he? While he talked the talk about gay marriage, he has shut down more abortion clinics than Cruz could ever dream of doing...

EDIT: Sorry, I meant of course that he has made Ohio a far safer place to have abortions due to building regulations. Silly me.
oBlade
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States6112 Posts
March 04 2016 01:53 GMT
#62989
On March 04 2016 10:38 oneofthem wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 04 2016 10:25 oBlade wrote:
On March 04 2016 10:14 oneofthem wrote:
uh how would that even split hillary's votes at all

How would adding another star to Alpha and Beta Centauri affect their orbits at all?

How would adding a bear to a cage with a lion and tiger affect who is dinner at all?

i give up

There is no such thing as "Hillary's votes" right now, at least not the way you think. Election day is... 8 months away? Tens of millions (even 100+) of people can't predict who they'll end up voting for come November.
"I read it. You know how to read, you ignorant fuck?" - Andy Dufresne
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18287 Posts
March 04 2016 01:54 GMT
#62990
On March 04 2016 10:48 ErectedZenith wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 04 2016 10:37 Kyadytim wrote:
On March 04 2016 08:45 xDaunt wrote:
On March 04 2016 08:26 Gorsameth wrote:
On March 04 2016 08:11 xDaunt wrote:
On March 04 2016 08:09 Danglars wrote:
Rick Santelli recalling the Crowley debate debacle.
Brutal, just brutal on Romney then and Romney now. Hell, he even has a good point on what primary voters see in Trump that they didn't see in Romney then.

And this is what is echoing in the minds of all conservatives right now: why the fuck does the Republican establishment fight its base harder than it fights the Democrats?

Because there is no future for the Republican Party on a national level if it accepted its new Tea Party base.
Yes it is their own fault they are in this position but their options are to fight their own base in an attempt to be nationally relevant, submit and support Cruz/Trump and lose any shot at a national victory or thirdly split the party and never win a national victory again.

Fighting their own base is their last resort.

You have it backwards. The only future for the Republican Party is if it reconciles with its base. It has no prayer of winning anything otherwise. After the 2012 election, I said that the way forward was for the Republican Party to adopt a more libertarian bent. Trump is showing a different way forward. Regardless, the status quo is unacceptable and unsustainable. The Republican Party needs to revamp its platform.

I'm curious as to what you consider to be the base the Republican Party needs to reconcile with which will win them elections.

Compared to the combined popularity of Trump and Cruz, who are running away with the primaries by actively rebelling against the Republican establishment, Ron Paul got destroyed when he ran, and Rand didn't do much better. Libertarian policies just don't seem to be very popular with Republican voters. I don't think that Republican Party's overall base really cares that much about the specific economic policies in the Republican Party's platform. Instead, what matters most to the majority seems to be either the government not being protectionist enough (of American jobs, American interests abroad, American culture) or the moral issues (abortion, gay marriage, evolution, whatever) that Republican candidates have campaigned on addressing but have failed to address.


Honestly?

Both the Republicans and the Democrats have the same backers. They are owned by the same people until someone Sanders and Trump came along.


Fairly certain both the democratic politicans and the republican ones are still independent people with their free will and all, even if their pockets get lined by businessmen...
oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
March 04 2016 01:57 GMT
#62991
On March 04 2016 10:53 oBlade wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 04 2016 10:38 oneofthem wrote:
On March 04 2016 10:25 oBlade wrote:
On March 04 2016 10:14 oneofthem wrote:
uh how would that even split hillary's votes at all

How would adding another star to Alpha and Beta Centauri affect their orbits at all?

How would adding a bear to a cage with a lion and tiger affect who is dinner at all?

i give up

There is no such thing as "Hillary's votes" right now, at least not the way you think. Election day is... 8 months away? Tens of millions (even 100+) of people can't predict who they'll end up voting for come November.

i don't even know where to start with this one. you have no idea.
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
Kyadytim
Profile Joined March 2009
United States886 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-03-04 02:08:59
March 04 2016 02:00 GMT
#62992
On March 04 2016 10:48 Acrofales wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 04 2016 10:05 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
On March 04 2016 10:01 Nyxisto wrote:
On March 04 2016 09:55 oneofthem wrote:
On March 04 2016 08:53 Nyxisto wrote:
Given the demographic development in the US wouldn't it make a lot more sense, at least long term, to try to appeal to Hispanic and black voters? Hardcore conservatives seem to poll absolutely terrible among these groups compared to democrats. So what is going farther to the right supposed to accomplish?

thats why rubio and cruz were boosted stars


Cruz is absolutely crazy as well though. What is he going to do to balance his 10% flat tax, abolish the army? I don't understand what the Republican party's strategy at all was from the beginning. There's not a single moderate in the race


I think Kasich is more moderate, although I might be confusing political views with the fact that he's just more mild-mannered.

Kasich is an economic moderate and a social conservative, isn't he? While he talked the talk about gay marriage, he has shut down more abortion clinics than Cruz could ever dream of doing...

It may just be me, but I think that Kasich is only an economic moderate when compared to his opposition. His plan includes freezing all discretionary government spending except military, cutting the top tax bracket from 39.6% to 28% and lower the capital gains tax for that bracket to 15%, eliminating the estate tax, and cutting business taxes from 35% to 25%. That's not really moderate except when compared to something like a flat 10% tax and eliminating the IRS.

EDIT: Oh yeah, Kasich also supports a balanced budget amendment to the constitution. I'm not sure how that meshes with the massive decrease in government revenue that would result from his tax cuts, but whatever...
ErectedZenith
Profile Joined January 2016
325 Posts
March 04 2016 02:02 GMT
#62993
On March 04 2016 10:54 Acrofales wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 04 2016 10:48 ErectedZenith wrote:
On March 04 2016 10:37 Kyadytim wrote:
On March 04 2016 08:45 xDaunt wrote:
On March 04 2016 08:26 Gorsameth wrote:
On March 04 2016 08:11 xDaunt wrote:
On March 04 2016 08:09 Danglars wrote:
Rick Santelli recalling the Crowley debate debacle.
Brutal, just brutal on Romney then and Romney now. Hell, he even has a good point on what primary voters see in Trump that they didn't see in Romney then.

And this is what is echoing in the minds of all conservatives right now: why the fuck does the Republican establishment fight its base harder than it fights the Democrats?

Because there is no future for the Republican Party on a national level if it accepted its new Tea Party base.
Yes it is their own fault they are in this position but their options are to fight their own base in an attempt to be nationally relevant, submit and support Cruz/Trump and lose any shot at a national victory or thirdly split the party and never win a national victory again.

Fighting their own base is their last resort.

You have it backwards. The only future for the Republican Party is if it reconciles with its base. It has no prayer of winning anything otherwise. After the 2012 election, I said that the way forward was for the Republican Party to adopt a more libertarian bent. Trump is showing a different way forward. Regardless, the status quo is unacceptable and unsustainable. The Republican Party needs to revamp its platform.

I'm curious as to what you consider to be the base the Republican Party needs to reconcile with which will win them elections.

Compared to the combined popularity of Trump and Cruz, who are running away with the primaries by actively rebelling against the Republican establishment, Ron Paul got destroyed when he ran, and Rand didn't do much better. Libertarian policies just don't seem to be very popular with Republican voters. I don't think that Republican Party's overall base really cares that much about the specific economic policies in the Republican Party's platform. Instead, what matters most to the majority seems to be either the government not being protectionist enough (of American jobs, American interests abroad, American culture) or the moral issues (abortion, gay marriage, evolution, whatever) that Republican candidates have campaigned on addressing but have failed to address.


Honestly?

Both the Republicans and the Democrats have the same backers. They are owned by the same people until someone Sanders and Trump came along.


Fairly certain both the democratic politicans and the republican ones are still independent people with their free will and all, even if their pockets get lined by businessmen...


Its all part of the show.
Seuss
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States10536 Posts
March 04 2016 02:07 GMT
#62994
So far the questions being posed are very Pro-Trump.
"I am not able to carry all this people alone, for they are too heavy for me." -Moses (Numbers 11:14)
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18287 Posts
March 04 2016 02:07 GMT
#62995
Trump seems committed to having a debate about the policis, for sure.
oBlade
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States6112 Posts
March 04 2016 02:07 GMT
#62996
On March 04 2016 10:57 oneofthem wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 04 2016 10:53 oBlade wrote:
On March 04 2016 10:38 oneofthem wrote:
On March 04 2016 10:25 oBlade wrote:
On March 04 2016 10:14 oneofthem wrote:
uh how would that even split hillary's votes at all

How would adding another star to Alpha and Beta Centauri affect their orbits at all?

How would adding a bear to a cage with a lion and tiger affect who is dinner at all?

i give up

There is no such thing as "Hillary's votes" right now, at least not the way you think. Election day is... 8 months away? Tens of millions (even 100+) of people can't predict who they'll end up voting for come November.

i don't even know where to start with this one. you have no idea.

Being exasperated doesn't make you a soothsayer.
"I read it. You know how to read, you ignorant fuck?" - Andy Dufresne
Sadist
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States7328 Posts
March 04 2016 02:11 GMT
#62997
trump making a penis comment..... wow
How do you go from where you are to where you want to be? I think you have to have an enthusiasm for life. You have to have a dream, a goal and you have to be willing to work for it. Jim Valvano
kwizach
Profile Joined June 2011
3658 Posts
March 04 2016 02:12 GMT
#62998
On March 04 2016 11:11 Sadist wrote:
trump making a penis comment..... wow

It's mind-blowing.
"Oedipus ruined a great sex life by asking too many questions." -- Stephen Colbert
Warfie
Profile Joined February 2009
Norway2846 Posts
March 04 2016 02:12 GMT
#62999
this debate is already off the track rofl

how did they think starting to ask about rubio's hand comments would be a good idea...
xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
March 04 2016 02:12 GMT
#63000
Lots of Trump fans in the crowd.
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