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On March 02 2016 04:36 KwarK wrote:
I would be amazed if Trump could get the religious right to turn out in force in the general. He's not a weekly church goer, in terms of religion he's about as moderate as you can get in American politics.
The religious right is no longer enough to elect a president on, it seems like.
On March 02 2016 04:42 OtherWorld wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2016 04:40 Acrofales wrote:On March 02 2016 04:30 oBlade wrote:On March 02 2016 04:24 Plansix wrote:On March 02 2016 04:15 Mohdoo wrote:On March 02 2016 04:08 OtherWorld wrote:On March 02 2016 04:05 xDaunt wrote:On March 02 2016 04:03 kwizach wrote:On March 02 2016 03:54 xDaunt wrote:On March 02 2016 03:52 KT_Elwood wrote:
Trump has no plan, only catchy phrases. I think that only people who aren't paying attention think that this is the case. It is more accurate to state that Trump has a plan, some of which he has revealed (protectionism, immigration reform, isolationism etc), and the rest of which he's purposefully obscuring (health care in particular comes to mind). No, I think that people who are paying attention know very well that Trump has no real plan for healthcare, and that he's improvising as he goes. The same is true for protectionism, immigration reform, and isolationism. His bombastic statements don't qualify as a plan, and he's contradicted in his public interventions the little that he has put forward on his own website. I think Trump wants single payer. He just won't say it openly because he knows that he can't right now. Isn't it more logical to assume that Trump "wants" what will give him votes? He's been very politically outspoken a great deal of his life. He only quieted down a bit while he allowed his transition from left to right take place so that he could emerge the beast we see today. I think he is a democrat so determined to change the world that he made up this entire persona in hopes of making it to the general election. On March 02 2016 04:15 Plansix wrote:
I am sure the democrats are filled with a mixed sense of glee and fear.
Could we argue that Obama pissed off republicans so much that Trump ended up being the voice of the party, meaning Obama killed the GOP? Pretty sure Obama being the first black president is what pissed off the GOP, fired up the Tea Party and lead to the firey implosion was are seeing now. Ben Carson has one of the highest favorability ratings in polls. Probably because Ben Carson seems like a nice guy. An utter idiot when it comes to politics, but I'd have a beer with him (assuming he could stay awake, maybe coffee would be better). More probably because racism isn't based so much on skin color but on race-associated culture, no?
This is a disgusting and not-so-subtle way of calling Ben Carson an "Uncle Tom."
You have to reach quite far to call the Republican base (including all those pesky black Republicans) racist if you have to claim that racism isn't based on skin color. The much simpler, but for some reason impossible to accept, alternative is that racism is in no way prevalent or fundamental to half the country's politics.
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On March 02 2016 04:50 oBlade wrote:
This is a disgusting and not-so-subtle way of calling Ben Carson an "Uncle Tom."
You have to reach quite far to call the Republican base (including all those pesky black Republicans) racist if you have to claim that racism isn't based on skin color. The much simpler, but for some reason impossible to accept, alternative is that racism is in no way prevalent or fundamental to half the country's politics.
You're in the wrong forum to be advancing such a radical idea, my friend.
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On March 02 2016 04:48 OtherWorld wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2016 04:44 Plansix wrote:On March 02 2016 04:42 OtherWorld wrote:On March 02 2016 04:40 Acrofales wrote:On March 02 2016 04:30 oBlade wrote:On March 02 2016 04:24 Plansix wrote:On March 02 2016 04:15 Mohdoo wrote:On March 02 2016 04:08 OtherWorld wrote:On March 02 2016 04:05 xDaunt wrote:On March 02 2016 04:03 kwizach wrote:
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No, I think that people who are paying attention know very well that Trump has no real plan for healthcare, and that he's improvising as he goes. The same is true for protectionism, immigration reform, and isolationism. His bombastic statements don't qualify as a plan, and he's contradicted in his public interventions the little that he has put forward on his own website. I think Trump wants single payer. He just won't say it openly because he knows that he can't right now. Isn't it more logical to assume that Trump "wants" what will give him votes? He's been very politically outspoken a great deal of his life. He only quieted down a bit while he allowed his transition from left to right take place so that he could emerge the beast we see today. I think he is a democrat so determined to change the world that he made up this entire persona in hopes of making it to the general election. On March 02 2016 04:15 Plansix wrote:
I am sure the democrats are filled with a mixed sense of glee and fear.
Could we argue that Obama pissed off republicans so much that Trump ended up being the voice of the party, meaning Obama killed the GOP? Pretty sure Obama being the first black president is what pissed off the GOP, fired up the Tea Party and lead to the firey implosion was are seeing now. Ben Carson has one of the highest favorability ratings in polls. Probably because Ben Carson seems like a nice guy. An utter idiot when it comes to politics, but I'd have a beer with him (assuming he could stay awake, maybe coffee would be better). More probably because racism isn't based so much on skin color but on race-associated culture, no? More that there are “acceptable” black people and as long as someone is of that type, its ok. But that does stem into “I don’t approve of this black culture, its harmful” hand wringing that goes on. But skin color is the factor, until you prove you are not part of the "bad culture". Yes that is what I was getting at. Skin color is of course the first factor, because the skin color is instinctively associated to the culture.
The thing about racism is that you get a lot of back filling. People don’t like someone because of their skin color, but then back fill the reasons why claim it is the “culture, music, work ethic”. The fear of the other is a bad tendency for all races and cultures when they are in power. All racists throughout history have justified their racism with what they felt were sound, logical arguments based in fact.
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On March 02 2016 04:50 oBlade wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2016 04:36 KwarK wrote:
I would be amazed if Trump could get the religious right to turn out in force in the general. He's not a weekly church goer, in terms of religion he's about as moderate as you can get in American politics. The religious right is no longer enough to elect a president on, it seems like. Show nested quote +On March 02 2016 04:42 OtherWorld wrote:On March 02 2016 04:40 Acrofales wrote:On March 02 2016 04:30 oBlade wrote:On March 02 2016 04:24 Plansix wrote:On March 02 2016 04:15 Mohdoo wrote:On March 02 2016 04:08 OtherWorld wrote:On March 02 2016 04:05 xDaunt wrote:On March 02 2016 04:03 kwizach wrote:On March 02 2016 03:54 xDaunt wrote:
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I think that only people who aren't paying attention think that this is the case. It is more accurate to state that Trump has a plan, some of which he has revealed (protectionism, immigration reform, isolationism etc), and the rest of which he's purposefully obscuring (health care in particular comes to mind). No, I think that people who are paying attention know very well that Trump has no real plan for healthcare, and that he's improvising as he goes. The same is true for protectionism, immigration reform, and isolationism. His bombastic statements don't qualify as a plan, and he's contradicted in his public interventions the little that he has put forward on his own website. I think Trump wants single payer. He just won't say it openly because he knows that he can't right now. Isn't it more logical to assume that Trump "wants" what will give him votes? He's been very politically outspoken a great deal of his life. He only quieted down a bit while he allowed his transition from left to right take place so that he could emerge the beast we see today. I think he is a democrat so determined to change the world that he made up this entire persona in hopes of making it to the general election. On March 02 2016 04:15 Plansix wrote:
I am sure the democrats are filled with a mixed sense of glee and fear.
Could we argue that Obama pissed off republicans so much that Trump ended up being the voice of the party, meaning Obama killed the GOP? Pretty sure Obama being the first black president is what pissed off the GOP, fired up the Tea Party and lead to the firey implosion was are seeing now. Ben Carson has one of the highest favorability ratings in polls. Probably because Ben Carson seems like a nice guy. An utter idiot when it comes to politics, but I'd have a beer with him (assuming he could stay awake, maybe coffee would be better). More probably because racism isn't based so much on skin color but on race-associated culture, no? This is a disgusting and not-so-subtle way of calling Ben Carson an "Uncle Tom." You have to reach quite far to call the Republican base (including all those pesky black Republicans) racist if you have to claim that racism isn't based on skin color. The much simpler, but for some reason impossible to accept, alternative is that racism is in no way prevalent or fundamental to half the country's politics.
I didn’t’ say he was an Uncle Tom. That requires intent on his part, which I don’t believe he has. He just happens to be a palatable to the racist block of the republican party. He is one of the “good ones” that they might consider if Trump wasn’t in the race.
And I never said all Republicans were racist. I just said the party panders to them, passes racist voting laws in an attempt to repress the vote for democrats(they have admitted this on TV) and other things. They are not so much racist as a whole, as they are compliant and willing to reap the benefits of racism.
As I said before, racism is going to happen and being unwilling to stop it because it benefits you makes you part of the problem. This is Trump in a nutshell.
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Canada11349 Posts
On March 02 2016 04:49 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2016 04:47 Falling wrote:On March 02 2016 04:36 KwarK wrote:
I would be amazed if Trump could get the religious right to turn out in force in the general. He's not a weekly church goer, in terms of religion he's about as moderate as you can get in American politics. I've been reading of evangelicals that are deeply upset about Trump over his treatment of people general, and women in particular. I hope this is true. They think he is misogynist.
Evangelicals, men and women both, hit this note particularly hard. “He has bragged numerous times about having sexual affairs with married women. He is on his third marriage, to a woman who made a career out of objectifying her own body. … His pandering attempt to sell himself as a Christian is disgraceful and demeaning.” Take this as you will as it is not exactly scientific, but it is an interesting perspective: http://www.bloombergview.com/articles/2016-02-29/the-die-hard-republicans-who-say-nevertrumpThe actual letters: http://media.bloomberg.com/bb/avfile/rmZuTh0zj1l8 Sounds like you're reading stuff from the anti-Trump establishment. One of the biggest stories of the election so far is that evangelicals have been flocking to Trump over Cruz, which no one expected.
It's not so much that I've been reading anti-Trump stuff, so much as highly interested in where evangelicals are swinging- on the Calvinist side of things, I've heard nothing but disdain for Trump, but that's highly anecdotal.
Here's an actual survey of protestant pastors, but that doesn't account for the congregation, which could very well be turning to Trump.
http://www.christianitytoday.com/gleanings/2016/january/donald-trump-protestant-pastors-undecided-president-iowa.html
Majority undecided, then Cruz, then Carson, then Rubio, with Trump at 5%. 1000 surveyed, 95% confidence.
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Conservative clowns attacking Romney for this tweet
After Mitt Romney on Monday published a tweet condemning Donald Trump for avoiding a disavowal of former Ku Klux Klan leader David Duke during a Sunday interview, a couple of conservative pundits suggested that the denouncement of the KKK could have come from a liberal.
Tucker Carlson, Fox News host and editor of the Daily Caller, linked's Romney's statement to President Obama.
And conservative radio host Laura Ingraham suggested Romney's tweet could have been written by Mother Jones.
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/tucker-carlson-laura-ingraham-romney-kkk
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Several schools across the US have either discovered or acted upon evidence of high levels of lead in their drinking water in the wake of the crisis in Flint, Michigan, with one leading expert warning the cases could mark “the tip of the iceberg”.
Yanna Lambrinidou, who is an affiliate faculty member in science, technology and society at Virginia Tech, the university that helped uncover the extremely elevated levels of lead in Flint, said schools are especially vulnerable to contamination from ageing pipes, faucets and valves.
The full extent of the problem in America’s schools with lead, which can affect the brain and nervous system in both children and adults, is unknown.
However, Lambrinidou said a slew of recent cases in which schools have shut off drinking water supplies, from New York to California, could signal a wider problem.
“There’s no way to know,” she said. “I think it’s only reasonable to assume that these cases are only the tip of the iceberg.”
Michael Sharp, the father of a tenth-grader in Binghamton, New York, received a disturbing letter from the local school district last week.
Seven drinking water outlets in Binghamton’s public schools had tested too high for lead, the letter stated. The tests had been performed several years ago, but the district took action only last month, when problematic sinks or fountains were shut down, flushed or given new filters.
Source
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On March 02 2016 04:20 Souma wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2016 04:18 xDaunt wrote:On March 02 2016 04:17 Deathstar wrote:
Trump and his racist supporters will be put in their place in the general. This is a purely Republican phenomenon. You may be my new least favorite poster around here. Out of curiosity who was your previous? :o
If I had to guess it was probably me, but he's liking me beating up on Hillary lol.
Not even touching the nonsense on racism, other than we have federal investigations showing the violation of black people's constitutional rights has been systemic at every department that's been investigated. That ain't a coincidence.
As for Bernie as long as he wins 3 the math is there to keep going. He's got more money than Hillary (everyone for that matter) and this will be the best results Hillary gets many if not most of the remaining states favor Bernie or have him within striking distance.
With Trump locking in the nomination tonight that means he'll be able to turn his fire toward Hillary and we should get a little preview of what a general against her would look like.
As for "only 20 yo liberal arts blah blah" Yeah, I remember how everyone was saying he never had a chance (next Ron Paul folks could not have been much more wrong), but Hillary had to pull every trick she could to just keep it close. The only reason he hasn't won blowouts is because of folks like yall who think we have no choice but to keep electing folks who don't have us anywhere near the top of their priorities. We'll see how that works out for you.
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Tucker Carlson continues to be a joke. He was a joke when Jon Steward dumptered him on Cross Fire and he continues to be a joke.
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On March 02 2016 05:00 Falling wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2016 04:49 xDaunt wrote:On March 02 2016 04:47 Falling wrote:On March 02 2016 04:36 KwarK wrote:
I would be amazed if Trump could get the religious right to turn out in force in the general. He's not a weekly church goer, in terms of religion he's about as moderate as you can get in American politics. I've been reading of evangelicals that are deeply upset about Trump over his treatment of people general, and women in particular. I hope this is true. They think he is misogynist.
Evangelicals, men and women both, hit this note particularly hard. “He has bragged numerous times about having sexual affairs with married women. He is on his third marriage, to a woman who made a career out of objectifying her own body. … His pandering attempt to sell himself as a Christian is disgraceful and demeaning.” Take this as you will as it is not exactly scientific, but it is an interesting perspective: http://www.bloombergview.com/articles/2016-02-29/the-die-hard-republicans-who-say-nevertrumpThe actual letters: http://media.bloomberg.com/bb/avfile/rmZuTh0zj1l8 Sounds like you're reading stuff from the anti-Trump establishment. One of the biggest stories of the election so far is that evangelicals have been flocking to Trump over Cruz, which no one expected. It's not so much that I've been reading anti-Trump stuff, so much as highly interested in where evangelicals are swinging- on the Calvinist side of things, I've heard nothing but disdain for Trump, but that's highly anecdotal. Here's an actual survey of protestant pastors, but that doesn't account for the congregation, which could very well be turning to Trump. http://www.christianitytoday.com/gleanings/2016/january/donald-trump-protestant-pastors-undecided-president-iowa.htmlMajority undecided, then Cruz, then Carson, then Rubio, with Trump at 5%. 1000 surveyed, 95% confidence.
Why are you looking at pre-primary polls instead of exit polls from the actual primary states? Go look at what happened in South Carolina.
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By the way we'll know if the rumors of Rick Scott endorsing Trump are true or not at 8pm EST as that is the time Trump will have his Press Conference in Florida.
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On March 02 2016 04:53 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2016 04:48 OtherWorld wrote:On March 02 2016 04:44 Plansix wrote:On March 02 2016 04:42 OtherWorld wrote:On March 02 2016 04:40 Acrofales wrote:On March 02 2016 04:30 oBlade wrote:On March 02 2016 04:24 Plansix wrote:On March 02 2016 04:15 Mohdoo wrote:On March 02 2016 04:08 OtherWorld wrote:On March 02 2016 04:05 xDaunt wrote:
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I think Trump wants single payer. He just won't say it openly because he knows that he can't right now. Isn't it more logical to assume that Trump "wants" what will give him votes? He's been very politically outspoken a great deal of his life. He only quieted down a bit while he allowed his transition from left to right take place so that he could emerge the beast we see today. I think he is a democrat so determined to change the world that he made up this entire persona in hopes of making it to the general election. On March 02 2016 04:15 Plansix wrote:
I am sure the democrats are filled with a mixed sense of glee and fear.
Could we argue that Obama pissed off republicans so much that Trump ended up being the voice of the party, meaning Obama killed the GOP? Pretty sure Obama being the first black president is what pissed off the GOP, fired up the Tea Party and lead to the firey implosion was are seeing now. Ben Carson has one of the highest favorability ratings in polls. Probably because Ben Carson seems like a nice guy. An utter idiot when it comes to politics, but I'd have a beer with him (assuming he could stay awake, maybe coffee would be better). More probably because racism isn't based so much on skin color but on race-associated culture, no? More that there are “acceptable” black people and as long as someone is of that type, its ok. But that does stem into “I don’t approve of this black culture, its harmful” hand wringing that goes on. But skin color is the factor, until you prove you are not part of the "bad culture". Yes that is what I was getting at. Skin color is of course the first factor, because the skin color is instinctively associated to the culture. The thing about racism is that you get a lot of back filling. People don’t like someone because of their skin color, but then back fill the reasons why claim it is the “culture, music, work ethic”. The fear of the other is a bad tendency for all races and cultures when they are in power. All racists throughout history have justified their racism with what they felt were sound, logical arguments based in fact.
But the fear of the Stranger is directly linked to its "culture", isn't it? I mean, let's imagine the following : originally, men did not live in society, trying to survive by themselves. Then they realized that living in society allowed them to live better, longer, with a greater chance of reproduction : a society is a sacrifice of liberty in order to gain some security.
But to live in society, you have to accept as a preconception the fact that others living in the same society as you won't attack you, that they'll respect their part of the social contract. To achieve that feeling of tranquility, societies have historically built what we call culture : common customs, rites, etc, to strenghten the bond between members of a society. That way you can recognize who's part of the society, and who's not and thus is a danger.
Thus the way you recognize a Stranger is because he has a culture that's different to yours (that can be applied on many levels). Skin color is definitely a part of this (though it's part of those natural attributes that become part of culture), but it is not the main thing ; that's why you have racism between people who share the same skin color. This is why I think the guys who say they're not racists because they "don't like the culture/music/whatever" are in fact saying straight-up that they are racists, though they're unaware that it's what they're saying.
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Norway28654 Posts
Haven't posted in a while, but you guys have been busy. With Super Tuesday upon us, I feel like making a commentary. 
I, like most, considered Trump a joke at first. In a way, that is still my position – I find Trump entertaining, but I don't regard his policy suggestions as completely serious. In a way, it's like a reversed holocaust joke, in the sense that holocaust jokes probably weren't all that funny the first year after, but with 70 years of distance from the event, it's possible to laugh at them. In the opposite manner, I thought it was easy to laugh at Trump when he first announced his candidacy. As a leftist, it was easy to laugh at the state of the republican party when people started flocking around him. I've made the 'idiocracy just became scarily relevant' joke on more than one occasion. I laughed at his incoherency, I laughed when he was attacking Bush in the debates, I laughed when others tried to attack him, and I laughed a whole lot during the recent John Oliver episode. To put it plainly, I've seen many politicians become jokes. Trump however, is to me, the first instance of a joke becoming a politician. (I guess Italy has a couple candidates, but whatever, they aren't relevant. )
However, there will be no more of that. The punchline is too close for this to be funny anymore, and quite frankly, I'm more than just a little scared of him becoming the actual president – which in all honesty has never been the case during any point of any election anywhere for as long as I have been politically conscious.
Then the question begets itself – if I can no longer feel good about laughing at him, how to stop his hypnotic onslaught?
Ridicule does not work. You can't turn a jester into a clown, and you can't turn a clown into an even bigger clown. Trump is a clown to his unelectables, but he's mixed being an entertainer with being serious for so long – and continues to do so during this election, even if my fellow leftists have a tendency to only see the clown part – that anyone who doesn't already consider him a clown, can instead choose to consider him a jester.
Personal attacks, absolutely not. Trump is truly a master deflector, and also a master attacker. He has already been hit hard in every way, and hey, his unfavorability numbers back this up. People who don't like or love him, dislike or hate him. But to everyone who doesn't already dislike or hate him, attacks on his hair, on his bankrupcies, on his inappropriate comments regarding the hotness of his daughter, they don't matter. Trump himself jokes about his hair – in fact, he's using attacks on his hair to portray himself as someone who doesn't take himself that seriously – something people generally like in a politician.
Attacks on policy? In a Hillary vs Trump debate, I really do have a hard time seeing how anyone, with any amount of polical savviness can watch it and not think 'wow, Hillary is ten times as competent as him'. But does it matter? Aside from a few key pieces of policy (immigration and trade), which Trump seems to have carefully selected to invoke what would be non-voters, he is largely a blank slate. While he hasn't flat out said it during this debate, my impression of him is that he's actually to the left of Hillary on health care (if you disregard the tax cuts gutting the ability to pay for single payer ), but that's not gonna matter to his voters, they are already his.
So then, is my only option accepting that this is what the world looks like in this current time and age? That essentially, Trump, with all his ridiculous flaws, brilliantly seized an opportunity caused by the GOP being in shambles, traditional media being so disenfranchised due to social media/internet/obsessing over ratings/vastly different world views presented, a likely opponent whose unfavorability rivals his own? Essentially, it seems like everyone else played the game of 'lets win the support of our party and take it from there', whereas Trump went 'let's win over the guys who normally don't vote, because if I win them over, they aren't going to change sides'. It's like, despite being the one person to change positions most easily (Sure, Hillary went from 'don't care about the gays' to 'pro gay marriage' along with the rest of the country, but Trump went from a New York swing voter to 'the most pro-life pro-guns pro-America guy' just to cater to a different constituency), he's also the one guy who understands that once he has won someone over, they're unlikely to jump ship – especially when he consistently uses social media and his own ability to get exposure to continuously score points about how traditional media is untrustworthy in their portrayal of him. He really, really gets the mechanism of confirmation bias and caters to it nearly constantly.
And then, I'm scared, because while certainly no Democrat should vote for Trump, and while I'm hearing all these stories, and seeing all these polls where Trump is so hated, even by his own party, he's going to be up against Hillary. Someone those same people who, for the past year or so have found themselves at varying points of the dislike-trump-scale, have spent far longer hating. I basically find myself thinking that well, Trump is gonna get slaughtered in every debate.* But he already has a huge following among regular non-voters (backed up by the record turnouts for republican primaries). And for the 50% or so of republicans turned off by him – those people might just find themselves thinking 'anyone but Hillary' to much the same degree Bernie's supporters (hopefully, begrudgingly) will vote for Hillary thinking 'anyone but Trump'.
* If there is one thing I genuinely do not understand about American politics is how critical people are of Hillary. Or like, I understand that she's the embodiment of a career politician, and I understand how people perceive her as untrustworthy. But I don't understand how people are not impressed with her debate skills. She phrases herself brilliantly, she speaks with poise, confidence and competence on every subject matter. Bill Clinton garners recognition for his abilities even among the group that disagree with him on policy and morality, and personally, I think Hillary comes off as just as eloquent, competent and intelligent as him.
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On March 02 2016 05:06 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
By the way we'll know if the rumors of Rick Scott endorsing Trump are true or not at 8pm EST as that is the time Trump will have his Press Conference in Florida.
It's scheduled for 6 PM EST according to the Washington Examiner.
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On March 02 2016 04:50 oBlade wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2016 04:36 KwarK wrote:
I would be amazed if Trump could get the religious right to turn out in force in the general. He's not a weekly church goer, in terms of religion he's about as moderate as you can get in American politics. The religious right is no longer enough to elect a president on, it seems like. Show nested quote +On March 02 2016 04:42 OtherWorld wrote:On March 02 2016 04:40 Acrofales wrote:On March 02 2016 04:30 oBlade wrote:On March 02 2016 04:24 Plansix wrote:On March 02 2016 04:15 Mohdoo wrote:On March 02 2016 04:08 OtherWorld wrote:On March 02 2016 04:05 xDaunt wrote:On March 02 2016 04:03 kwizach wrote:On March 02 2016 03:54 xDaunt wrote:
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I think that only people who aren't paying attention think that this is the case. It is more accurate to state that Trump has a plan, some of which he has revealed (protectionism, immigration reform, isolationism etc), and the rest of which he's purposefully obscuring (health care in particular comes to mind). No, I think that people who are paying attention know very well that Trump has no real plan for healthcare, and that he's improvising as he goes. The same is true for protectionism, immigration reform, and isolationism. His bombastic statements don't qualify as a plan, and he's contradicted in his public interventions the little that he has put forward on his own website. I think Trump wants single payer. He just won't say it openly because he knows that he can't right now. Isn't it more logical to assume that Trump "wants" what will give him votes? He's been very politically outspoken a great deal of his life. He only quieted down a bit while he allowed his transition from left to right take place so that he could emerge the beast we see today. I think he is a democrat so determined to change the world that he made up this entire persona in hopes of making it to the general election. On March 02 2016 04:15 Plansix wrote:
I am sure the democrats are filled with a mixed sense of glee and fear.
Could we argue that Obama pissed off republicans so much that Trump ended up being the voice of the party, meaning Obama killed the GOP? Pretty sure Obama being the first black president is what pissed off the GOP, fired up the Tea Party and lead to the firey implosion was are seeing now. Ben Carson has one of the highest favorability ratings in polls. Probably because Ben Carson seems like a nice guy. An utter idiot when it comes to politics, but I'd have a beer with him (assuming he could stay awake, maybe coffee would be better). More probably because racism isn't based so much on skin color but on race-associated culture, no? This is a disgusting and not-so-subtle way of calling Ben Carson an "Uncle Tom." You have to reach quite far to call the Republican base (including all those pesky black Republicans) racist if you have to claim that racism isn't based on skin color. The much simpler, but for some reason impossible to accept, alternative is that racism is in no way prevalent or fundamental to half the country's politics.
Racism (or any feeling ever, be it a positive or negative feeling, for that matter) is not binary, believe it or not. There are many shades of racism.
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On March 02 2016 05:07 OtherWorld wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2016 04:53 Plansix wrote:On March 02 2016 04:48 OtherWorld wrote:On March 02 2016 04:44 Plansix wrote:On March 02 2016 04:42 OtherWorld wrote:On March 02 2016 04:40 Acrofales wrote:On March 02 2016 04:30 oBlade wrote:On March 02 2016 04:24 Plansix wrote:On March 02 2016 04:15 Mohdoo wrote:On March 02 2016 04:08 OtherWorld wrote:
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Isn't it more logical to assume that Trump "wants" what will give him votes? He's been very politically outspoken a great deal of his life. He only quieted down a bit while he allowed his transition from left to right take place so that he could emerge the beast we see today. I think he is a democrat so determined to change the world that he made up this entire persona in hopes of making it to the general election. On March 02 2016 04:15 Plansix wrote:
I am sure the democrats are filled with a mixed sense of glee and fear.
Could we argue that Obama pissed off republicans so much that Trump ended up being the voice of the party, meaning Obama killed the GOP? Pretty sure Obama being the first black president is what pissed off the GOP, fired up the Tea Party and lead to the firey implosion was are seeing now. Ben Carson has one of the highest favorability ratings in polls. Probably because Ben Carson seems like a nice guy. An utter idiot when it comes to politics, but I'd have a beer with him (assuming he could stay awake, maybe coffee would be better). More probably because racism isn't based so much on skin color but on race-associated culture, no? More that there are “acceptable” black people and as long as someone is of that type, its ok. But that does stem into “I don’t approve of this black culture, its harmful” hand wringing that goes on. But skin color is the factor, until you prove you are not part of the "bad culture". Yes that is what I was getting at. Skin color is of course the first factor, because the skin color is instinctively associated to the culture. The thing about racism is that you get a lot of back filling. People don’t like someone because of their skin color, but then back fill the reasons why claim it is the “culture, music, work ethic”. The fear of the other is a bad tendency for all races and cultures when they are in power. All racists throughout history have justified their racism with what they felt were sound, logical arguments based in fact. But the fear of the Stranger is directly linked to its "culture", isn't it? I mean, let's imagine the following : originally, men did not live in society, trying to survive by themselves. Then they realized that living in society allowed them to live better, longer, with a greater chance of reproduction : a society is a sacrifice of liberty in order to gain some security. But to live in society, you have to accept as a preconception the fact that others living in the same society as you won't attack you, that they'll respect their part of the social contract. To achieve that feeling of tranquility, societies have historically built what we call culture : common customs, rites, etc, to strenghten the bond between members of a society. That way you can recognize who's part of the society, and who's not and thus is a danger. Thus the way you recognize a Stranger is because he has a culture that's different to yours (that can be applied on many levels). Skin color is definitely a part of this (though it's part of those natural attributes that become part of culture), but it is not the main thing ; that's why you have racism between people who share the same skin color. This is why I think the guys who say they're not racists because they "don't like the culture/music/whatever" are in fact saying straight-up that they are racists, though they're unaware that it's what they're saying.
Unconscious bias is huge is both racism and sexism. They are social constructs, but are also rooted in some real base stuff in our lizard brain we should be more aware of. Racism isn't always about intent, but people really like when it is because then its easy pinpoint.
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Racism exists. It's just been rendered meaningless for a lot of people because of PC culture. There are very real problems with rates of incarceration, poverty and all the rest disproportionately affecting minorities when all other variables are adjusted, but when you have some entitled college kid who complain about there not being enough black faculty it turns off a lot of potential allies.
Separately, I think Hillary has the opportunity to pick up some moderate religious republicans. She quoted 1 Corinthians 13 in her SC speech (my favorite Bible passage actually) which was kinda neat. There's a possibility she picks up some moderates on the right side by pushing her religious bona fides as opposed to Trump who apparently subscribes to the Church of Donald.
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Not surprised white supremacists feel more emboldened than ever. And of course it's Texas.
Man Yells ‘F*** The Ni**ers,’ Fires At Black Sheriff Candidate’s Campaign HQ
A white male in a Jeep allegedly screamed "fuck the niggers" before firing a shot through the window of a black candidate for sheriff's campaign headquarters on Monday, local TV station KMBT reported.
No one was injured during the incident.
Zena Stephens, who is running as the Democratic candidate for Jefferson County Sheriff, told NBC that the shooting at her Beaumont, Texas office was an act of "ignorance."
Beaumont police arrested a white male whose white Jeep had the same license plate as the shooter’s on an unrelated charge Monday night, according to KMBT. Police told the news station that they found two firearms inside the vehicle and planned to question the man about the shooting at Stephens' office.
The suspect has not been identified by law enforcement yet, and the charge for his initial arrest wasn’t released.
This is the first time that Stephens, who currently works as the Chief of Police at Prairie View A&M University, is running for public office. Beaumont residents will head to the polls Tuesday to decide between Stephens and her Republican opponent, Ray Beck.
Beck called the incident a “travesty” in an interview with KMBT.
“This should not happen in modern times,” Beck said. “I am a personal friend of Zena's and we are all glad that she and her friends and members of her campaign were not injured."
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/zena-stephens-shooting-texas-campaign-headquarters
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On March 02 2016 04:29 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2016 04:26 xDaunt wrote:On March 02 2016 04:24 Plansix wrote:On March 02 2016 04:15 Mohdoo wrote:On March 02 2016 04:08 OtherWorld wrote:On March 02 2016 04:05 xDaunt wrote:On March 02 2016 04:03 kwizach wrote:On March 02 2016 03:54 xDaunt wrote:On March 02 2016 03:52 KT_Elwood wrote:
Trump has no plan, only catchy phrases. I think that only people who aren't paying attention think that this is the case. It is more accurate to state that Trump has a plan, some of which he has revealed (protectionism, immigration reform, isolationism etc), and the rest of which he's purposefully obscuring (health care in particular comes to mind). No, I think that people who are paying attention know very well that Trump has no real plan for healthcare, and that he's improvising as he goes. The same is true for protectionism, immigration reform, and isolationism. His bombastic statements don't qualify as a plan, and he's contradicted in his public interventions the little that he has put forward on his own website. I think Trump wants single payer. He just won't say it openly because he knows that he can't right now. Isn't it more logical to assume that Trump "wants" what will give him votes? He's been very politically outspoken a great deal of his life. He only quieted down a bit while he allowed his transition from left to right take place so that he could emerge the beast we see today. I think he is a democrat so determined to change the world that he made up this entire persona in hopes of making it to the general election. On March 02 2016 04:15 Plansix wrote:
I am sure the democrats are filled with a mixed sense of glee and fear.
Could we argue that Obama pissed off republicans so much that Trump ended up being the voice of the party, meaning Obama killed the GOP? Pretty sure Obama being the first black president is what pissed off the GOP, fired up the Tea Party and lead to the firey implosion was are seeing now. Your ignorance of the inner workings of the republican party never ceases to amaze me. Here's a hint: left wing news sources probably aren't the best place to go to understand the opposition. Your most recently contribution to this thread was posting an article from a holocaust denier, so your disapproval of me is zero impact. And this is in a long trend of posting articles and citing shitty people to make your points. Your opinion of me will never have a substantive effect on my life, so enjoy yourself.
the lady doth protest too much?
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On March 02 2016 05:20 IgnE wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2016 04:29 Plansix wrote:On March 02 2016 04:26 xDaunt wrote:On March 02 2016 04:24 Plansix wrote:On March 02 2016 04:15 Mohdoo wrote:On March 02 2016 04:08 OtherWorld wrote:On March 02 2016 04:05 xDaunt wrote:On March 02 2016 04:03 kwizach wrote:On March 02 2016 03:54 xDaunt wrote:On March 02 2016 03:52 KT_Elwood wrote:
Trump has no plan, only catchy phrases. I think that only people who aren't paying attention think that this is the case. It is more accurate to state that Trump has a plan, some of which he has revealed (protectionism, immigration reform, isolationism etc), and the rest of which he's purposefully obscuring (health care in particular comes to mind). No, I think that people who are paying attention know very well that Trump has no real plan for healthcare, and that he's improvising as he goes. The same is true for protectionism, immigration reform, and isolationism. His bombastic statements don't qualify as a plan, and he's contradicted in his public interventions the little that he has put forward on his own website. I think Trump wants single payer. He just won't say it openly because he knows that he can't right now. Isn't it more logical to assume that Trump "wants" what will give him votes? He's been very politically outspoken a great deal of his life. He only quieted down a bit while he allowed his transition from left to right take place so that he could emerge the beast we see today. I think he is a democrat so determined to change the world that he made up this entire persona in hopes of making it to the general election. On March 02 2016 04:15 Plansix wrote:
I am sure the democrats are filled with a mixed sense of glee and fear.
Could we argue that Obama pissed off republicans so much that Trump ended up being the voice of the party, meaning Obama killed the GOP? Pretty sure Obama being the first black president is what pissed off the GOP, fired up the Tea Party and lead to the firey implosion was are seeing now. Your ignorance of the inner workings of the republican party never ceases to amaze me. Here's a hint: left wing news sources probably aren't the best place to go to understand the opposition. Your most recently contribution to this thread was posting an article from a holocaust denier, so your disapproval of me is zero impact. And this is in a long trend of posting articles and citing shitty people to make your points. Your opinion of me will never have a substantive effect on my life, so enjoy yourself. the lady doth protest too much?
Every once and a while I have to remind Xdaunt that his posts about how little I know are a total waste of time.
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