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On March 02 2016 04:23 LegalLord wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2016 04:13 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:Ted Cruz is calling on Marco Rubio to suspend his campaign after Super Tuesday, contending that the Florida senator will have no realistic path to the nomination after roughly a dozen states vote Tuesday.
“He is a very talented individual, but Marco does not have any viable path whatsoever to beat Donald Trump,” the Texas senator told conservative radio host Mike Gallagher on Tuesday. “In the first four states, he has gone 0-for-4. He has not won a state.”
Indeed, Cruz won the Iowa caucuses and Trump romped in the next three contests by double-digit margins. Rubio has been praised for strong finishes but has yet to win a state. Nevertheless, he has vowed to stay in as long as it takes to stop Trump — but Cruz doesn't see that happening.
“In all likelihood today, he is not anticipating winning any states,” Cruz said of Rubio. “In all likelihood, he will lose every single Super Tuesday state, and even his home state of Florida. He’s 20 points down.”
So far, Trump leads the race with 82 delegates, followed by Cruz with 17 and Rubio with 16. Several states holding primaries on Super Tuesday maintain thresholds of 20 percent for awarding delegates — Alabama, Georgia, Texas, Tennessee and Vermont — raising the prospect that Rubio may end up blanked in one or more of those contests. And in Alabama, Trump would win every delegates should he top 50 percent of the votes.
Trump will likely maintain his lead in delegates, the Texas senator acknowledged, but Cruz will continue to follow in second after Super Tuesday, which he predicted will yield “a huge drop-off” of candidates. Source To be fair, he is right that Rubio isn't winning. His 3-5-2-2 strategy isn't getting him anywhere. Cruz at least has states where he has a lot of popular support.
yeah... like south carolina
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On March 02 2016 04:24 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2016 04:15 Mohdoo wrote:On March 02 2016 04:08 OtherWorld wrote:On March 02 2016 04:05 xDaunt wrote:On March 02 2016 04:03 kwizach wrote:On March 02 2016 03:54 xDaunt wrote:On March 02 2016 03:52 KT_Elwood wrote:
Trump has no plan, only catchy phrases. I think that only people who aren't paying attention think that this is the case. It is more accurate to state that Trump has a plan, some of which he has revealed (protectionism, immigration reform, isolationism etc), and the rest of which he's purposefully obscuring (health care in particular comes to mind). No, I think that people who are paying attention know very well that Trump has no real plan for healthcare, and that he's improvising as he goes. The same is true for protectionism, immigration reform, and isolationism. His bombastic statements don't qualify as a plan, and he's contradicted in his public interventions the little that he has put forward on his own website. I think Trump wants single payer. He just won't say it openly because he knows that he can't right now. Isn't it more logical to assume that Trump "wants" what will give him votes? He's been very politically outspoken a great deal of his life. He only quieted down a bit while he allowed his transition from left to right take place so that he could emerge the beast we see today. I think he is a democrat so determined to change the world that he made up this entire persona in hopes of making it to the general election. On March 02 2016 04:15 Plansix wrote:
I am sure the democrats are filled with a mixed sense of glee and fear.
Could we argue that Obama pissed off republicans so much that Trump ended up being the voice of the party, meaning Obama killed the GOP? Pretty sure Obama being the first black president is what pissed off the GOP, fired up the Tea Party and lead to the firey implosion was are seeing now.
That and when Obama won in 2008 the GOP leaders met in a closed door meeting to block and prevent any of Obama's proposals.
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As Europe falls apart, America clowns around
It is hard to watch the desperate, dignified families huddling around the phone-charging stations in the government shelter in this Balkan village as the clownish spectacle of a presidential campaign unfolds at home.
Foot soldiers of misery, they tumble out of buses and their first request is not for water, food or diapers. They have been on the move for weeks, in some cases months, and they need to connect — with relatives they’ve left behind and may never see again, with comrades who can relay rumors on the dangers of the road ahead.
They are escaping the wreckage of entire countries. A million have washed into Europe in the past year, and another million are on the threshold. The continent’s leaders see the mass migration as their starkest test since World War II. Far-right xenophobic parties are on the rise. Longtime commitments to free speech, tolerance and open borders are eroding. Many of the leaders despair at the absence of U.S. leadership and the rise of Russian meddling.
Whatever your politics, you cannot fail to grasp that the problems are deadly serious, and any remedies complex and elusive. Meanwhile, the Republican presidential debates unfold like some grotesque game of playground taunting, with real problems, to the extent they are discussed at all, presented as amenable to easy solution.
Donald Trump vows to “knock out ISIS.” His strategy? “We will, believe me. We will.”
I tagged along to Adasevci with a congressional delegation led by Sens. John McCain (R-Ariz.) and Sheldon Whitehouse (D-R.I.). The Serbian government was eager to show it is handling the migrants humanely. And it is — for the moment.
Migrants enter Serbia from Macedonia to the south, having walked, driven and sailed hundreds upon hundreds of miles. They ride an all-day bus northwest to this roadside motel converted into a shelter. Eventually they board a train nearby for Croatia and, they hope, points north.
But as prosperous countries to the north grow less welcoming, the peaceful progression across borders will begin collapsing in on itself, like passenger cars on a crashing train. Sweden lowered the gate first, followed by Austria. Germany cannot be far behind.
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/as-europe-falls-apart-america-clowns-around/2016/02/29/82489aa4-dd40-11e5-925f-1d10062cc82d_story.html?hpid=hp_no-name_opinion-card-b:homepage/story
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On March 02 2016 04:26 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2016 04:24 Plansix wrote:On March 02 2016 04:15 Mohdoo wrote:On March 02 2016 04:08 OtherWorld wrote:On March 02 2016 04:05 xDaunt wrote:On March 02 2016 04:03 kwizach wrote:On March 02 2016 03:54 xDaunt wrote:On March 02 2016 03:52 KT_Elwood wrote:
Trump has no plan, only catchy phrases. I think that only people who aren't paying attention think that this is the case. It is more accurate to state that Trump has a plan, some of which he has revealed (protectionism, immigration reform, isolationism etc), and the rest of which he's purposefully obscuring (health care in particular comes to mind). No, I think that people who are paying attention know very well that Trump has no real plan for healthcare, and that he's improvising as he goes. The same is true for protectionism, immigration reform, and isolationism. His bombastic statements don't qualify as a plan, and he's contradicted in his public interventions the little that he has put forward on his own website. I think Trump wants single payer. He just won't say it openly because he knows that he can't right now. Isn't it more logical to assume that Trump "wants" what will give him votes? He's been very politically outspoken a great deal of his life. He only quieted down a bit while he allowed his transition from left to right take place so that he could emerge the beast we see today. I think he is a democrat so determined to change the world that he made up this entire persona in hopes of making it to the general election. On March 02 2016 04:15 Plansix wrote:
I am sure the democrats are filled with a mixed sense of glee and fear.
Could we argue that Obama pissed off republicans so much that Trump ended up being the voice of the party, meaning Obama killed the GOP? Pretty sure Obama being the first black president is what pissed off the GOP, fired up the Tea Party and lead to the firey implosion was are seeing now. Your ignorance of the inner workings of the republican party never ceases to amaze me. Here's a hint: left wing news sources probably aren't the best place to go to understand the opposition.
Your most recently contribution to this thread was posting an article from a holocaust denier, so your disapproval of me is zero impact. And this is in a long trend of posting articles and citing shitty people to make your points. Your opinion of me will never have a substantive effect on my life, so enjoy yourself.
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On March 02 2016 04:23 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2016 04:18 Introvert wrote:On March 02 2016 04:15 Toadesstern wrote:On March 02 2016 04:13 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:Ted Cruz is calling on Marco Rubio to suspend his campaign after Super Tuesday, contending that the Florida senator will have no realistic path to the nomination after roughly a dozen states vote Tuesday.
“He is a very talented individual, but Marco does not have any viable path whatsoever to beat Donald Trump,” the Texas senator told conservative radio host Mike Gallagher on Tuesday. “In the first four states, he has gone 0-for-4. He has not won a state.”
Indeed, Cruz won the Iowa caucuses and Trump romped in the next three contests by double-digit margins. Rubio has been praised for strong finishes but has yet to win a state. Nevertheless, he has vowed to stay in as long as it takes to stop Trump — but Cruz doesn't see that happening.
“In all likelihood today, he is not anticipating winning any states,” Cruz said of Rubio. “In all likelihood, he will lose every single Super Tuesday state, and even his home state of Florida. He’s 20 points down.”
So far, Trump leads the race with 82 delegates, followed by Cruz with 17 and Rubio with 16. Several states holding primaries on Super Tuesday maintain thresholds of 20 percent for awarding delegates — Alabama, Georgia, Texas, Tennessee and Vermont — raising the prospect that Rubio may end up blanked in one or more of those contests. And in Alabama, Trump would win every delegates should he top 50 percent of the votes.
Trump will likely maintain his lead in delegates, the Texas senator acknowledged, but Cruz will continue to follow in second after Super Tuesday, which he predicted will yield “a huge drop-off” of candidates. Source isn't Cruz even worse off right now? According to fivethirty he's at ~21% of where he 'd need to be at right now and Rubio is at 41% lol So basicly both are dead because if Rubio is dead Cruz is about twice as dead? http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/election-2016/delegate-targets/ You have to look st what happens if people drop out. If Cruz drops out then to me it seems that too many Cruz guys go to Trump. That's the argument Cruz is making without saying it. I'd expect Cruz supporters to go to Trump. It's a little less clear with Rubio supporters. Unfortunately, Rubio is drawing the hardcore establishment supporters. I'm sure some will come to their senses and support the eventual GOP nominee. Others likely won't.
I would agree. The party operatives would go to Trump, but I think a lot of voters would not. But certainly more Rubio voters --> Cruz than the reverse. Especially after the debate last week where Rubio finally went after Trump. I could be wrong though, haven't seen any polls on it recently.
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On March 02 2016 04:24 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2016 04:15 Mohdoo wrote:On March 02 2016 04:08 OtherWorld wrote:On March 02 2016 04:05 xDaunt wrote:On March 02 2016 04:03 kwizach wrote:On March 02 2016 03:54 xDaunt wrote:On March 02 2016 03:52 KT_Elwood wrote:
Trump has no plan, only catchy phrases. I think that only people who aren't paying attention think that this is the case. It is more accurate to state that Trump has a plan, some of which he has revealed (protectionism, immigration reform, isolationism etc), and the rest of which he's purposefully obscuring (health care in particular comes to mind). No, I think that people who are paying attention know very well that Trump has no real plan for healthcare, and that he's improvising as he goes. The same is true for protectionism, immigration reform, and isolationism. His bombastic statements don't qualify as a plan, and he's contradicted in his public interventions the little that he has put forward on his own website. I think Trump wants single payer. He just won't say it openly because he knows that he can't right now. Isn't it more logical to assume that Trump "wants" what will give him votes? He's been very politically outspoken a great deal of his life. He only quieted down a bit while he allowed his transition from left to right take place so that he could emerge the beast we see today. I think he is a democrat so determined to change the world that he made up this entire persona in hopes of making it to the general election. On March 02 2016 04:15 Plansix wrote:
I am sure the democrats are filled with a mixed sense of glee and fear.
Could we argue that Obama pissed off republicans so much that Trump ended up being the voice of the party, meaning Obama killed the GOP? Pretty sure Obama being the first black president is what pissed off the GOP, fired up the Tea Party and lead to the firey implosion was are seeing now.
Ben Carson has one of the highest favorability ratings in polls.
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On March 02 2016 04:26 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2016 04:24 Plansix wrote:On March 02 2016 04:15 Mohdoo wrote:On March 02 2016 04:08 OtherWorld wrote:On March 02 2016 04:05 xDaunt wrote:On March 02 2016 04:03 kwizach wrote:On March 02 2016 03:54 xDaunt wrote:On March 02 2016 03:52 KT_Elwood wrote:
Trump has no plan, only catchy phrases. I think that only people who aren't paying attention think that this is the case. It is more accurate to state that Trump has a plan, some of which he has revealed (protectionism, immigration reform, isolationism etc), and the rest of which he's purposefully obscuring (health care in particular comes to mind). No, I think that people who are paying attention know very well that Trump has no real plan for healthcare, and that he's improvising as he goes. The same is true for protectionism, immigration reform, and isolationism. His bombastic statements don't qualify as a plan, and he's contradicted in his public interventions the little that he has put forward on his own website. I think Trump wants single payer. He just won't say it openly because he knows that he can't right now. Isn't it more logical to assume that Trump "wants" what will give him votes? He's been very politically outspoken a great deal of his life. He only quieted down a bit while he allowed his transition from left to right take place so that he could emerge the beast we see today. I think he is a democrat so determined to change the world that he made up this entire persona in hopes of making it to the general election. On March 02 2016 04:15 Plansix wrote:
I am sure the democrats are filled with a mixed sense of glee and fear.
Could we argue that Obama pissed off republicans so much that Trump ended up being the voice of the party, meaning Obama killed the GOP? Pretty sure Obama being the first black president is what pissed off the GOP, fired up the Tea Party and lead to the firey implosion was are seeing now. That and when Obama won in 2008 the GOP leaders met in a closed door meeting to block and prevent any of Obama's proposals.
Their intent has been clear that they have no interest in anything being accomplished while he is in office. And 4 years later, they get Trump because the US people have had enough. Their party is imploding, all because they would rather watch the world burn and work with the guy in the oval office who happens to be black.
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United States43611 Posts
I would be amazed if Trump could get the religious right to turn out in force in the general. He's not a weekly church goer, in terms of religion he's about as moderate as you can get in American politics.
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These poor and racist Republicans deserve to get trickled down all over. So much racism against hispanics and blacks when the clear welfare queens are staring right in the mirror.
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On March 02 2016 04:30 oBlade wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2016 04:24 Plansix wrote:On March 02 2016 04:15 Mohdoo wrote:On March 02 2016 04:08 OtherWorld wrote:On March 02 2016 04:05 xDaunt wrote:On March 02 2016 04:03 kwizach wrote:On March 02 2016 03:54 xDaunt wrote:On March 02 2016 03:52 KT_Elwood wrote:
Trump has no plan, only catchy phrases. I think that only people who aren't paying attention think that this is the case. It is more accurate to state that Trump has a plan, some of which he has revealed (protectionism, immigration reform, isolationism etc), and the rest of which he's purposefully obscuring (health care in particular comes to mind). No, I think that people who are paying attention know very well that Trump has no real plan for healthcare, and that he's improvising as he goes. The same is true for protectionism, immigration reform, and isolationism. His bombastic statements don't qualify as a plan, and he's contradicted in his public interventions the little that he has put forward on his own website. I think Trump wants single payer. He just won't say it openly because he knows that he can't right now. Isn't it more logical to assume that Trump "wants" what will give him votes? He's been very politically outspoken a great deal of his life. He only quieted down a bit while he allowed his transition from left to right take place so that he could emerge the beast we see today. I think he is a democrat so determined to change the world that he made up this entire persona in hopes of making it to the general election. On March 02 2016 04:15 Plansix wrote:
I am sure the democrats are filled with a mixed sense of glee and fear.
Could we argue that Obama pissed off republicans so much that Trump ended up being the voice of the party, meaning Obama killed the GOP? Pretty sure Obama being the first black president is what pissed off the GOP, fired up the Tea Party and lead to the firey implosion was are seeing now. Ben Carson has one of the highest favorability ratings in polls.
Was this poll only of congress members?
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On March 02 2016 04:30 oBlade wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2016 04:24 Plansix wrote:On March 02 2016 04:15 Mohdoo wrote:On March 02 2016 04:08 OtherWorld wrote:On March 02 2016 04:05 xDaunt wrote:On March 02 2016 04:03 kwizach wrote:On March 02 2016 03:54 xDaunt wrote:On March 02 2016 03:52 KT_Elwood wrote:
Trump has no plan, only catchy phrases. I think that only people who aren't paying attention think that this is the case. It is more accurate to state that Trump has a plan, some of which he has revealed (protectionism, immigration reform, isolationism etc), and the rest of which he's purposefully obscuring (health care in particular comes to mind). No, I think that people who are paying attention know very well that Trump has no real plan for healthcare, and that he's improvising as he goes. The same is true for protectionism, immigration reform, and isolationism. His bombastic statements don't qualify as a plan, and he's contradicted in his public interventions the little that he has put forward on his own website. I think Trump wants single payer. He just won't say it openly because he knows that he can't right now. Isn't it more logical to assume that Trump "wants" what will give him votes? He's been very politically outspoken a great deal of his life. He only quieted down a bit while he allowed his transition from left to right take place so that he could emerge the beast we see today. I think he is a democrat so determined to change the world that he made up this entire persona in hopes of making it to the general election. On March 02 2016 04:15 Plansix wrote:
I am sure the democrats are filled with a mixed sense of glee and fear.
Could we argue that Obama pissed off republicans so much that Trump ended up being the voice of the party, meaning Obama killed the GOP? Pretty sure Obama being the first black president is what pissed off the GOP, fired up the Tea Party and lead to the firey implosion was are seeing now. Ben Carson has one of the highest favorability ratings in polls.
Probably because Ben Carson seems like a nice guy. An utter idiot when it comes to politics, but I'd have a beer with him (assuming he could stay awake, maybe coffee would be better).
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On March 02 2016 04:40 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2016 04:30 oBlade wrote:On March 02 2016 04:24 Plansix wrote:On March 02 2016 04:15 Mohdoo wrote:On March 02 2016 04:08 OtherWorld wrote:On March 02 2016 04:05 xDaunt wrote:On March 02 2016 04:03 kwizach wrote:On March 02 2016 03:54 xDaunt wrote:On March 02 2016 03:52 KT_Elwood wrote:
Trump has no plan, only catchy phrases. I think that only people who aren't paying attention think that this is the case. It is more accurate to state that Trump has a plan, some of which he has revealed (protectionism, immigration reform, isolationism etc), and the rest of which he's purposefully obscuring (health care in particular comes to mind). No, I think that people who are paying attention know very well that Trump has no real plan for healthcare, and that he's improvising as he goes. The same is true for protectionism, immigration reform, and isolationism. His bombastic statements don't qualify as a plan, and he's contradicted in his public interventions the little that he has put forward on his own website. I think Trump wants single payer. He just won't say it openly because he knows that he can't right now. Isn't it more logical to assume that Trump "wants" what will give him votes? He's been very politically outspoken a great deal of his life. He only quieted down a bit while he allowed his transition from left to right take place so that he could emerge the beast we see today. I think he is a democrat so determined to change the world that he made up this entire persona in hopes of making it to the general election. On March 02 2016 04:15 Plansix wrote:
I am sure the democrats are filled with a mixed sense of glee and fear.
Could we argue that Obama pissed off republicans so much that Trump ended up being the voice of the party, meaning Obama killed the GOP? Pretty sure Obama being the first black president is what pissed off the GOP, fired up the Tea Party and lead to the firey implosion was are seeing now. Ben Carson has one of the highest favorability ratings in polls. Probably because Ben Carson seems like a nice guy. An utter idiot when it comes to politics, but I'd have a beer with him (assuming he could stay awake, maybe coffee would be better).
More probably because racism isn't based so much on skin color but on race-associated culture, no?
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On March 02 2016 04:42 OtherWorld wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2016 04:40 Acrofales wrote:On March 02 2016 04:30 oBlade wrote:On March 02 2016 04:24 Plansix wrote:On March 02 2016 04:15 Mohdoo wrote:On March 02 2016 04:08 OtherWorld wrote:On March 02 2016 04:05 xDaunt wrote:On March 02 2016 04:03 kwizach wrote:On March 02 2016 03:54 xDaunt wrote:On March 02 2016 03:52 KT_Elwood wrote:
Trump has no plan, only catchy phrases. I think that only people who aren't paying attention think that this is the case. It is more accurate to state that Trump has a plan, some of which he has revealed (protectionism, immigration reform, isolationism etc), and the rest of which he's purposefully obscuring (health care in particular comes to mind). No, I think that people who are paying attention know very well that Trump has no real plan for healthcare, and that he's improvising as he goes. The same is true for protectionism, immigration reform, and isolationism. His bombastic statements don't qualify as a plan, and he's contradicted in his public interventions the little that he has put forward on his own website. I think Trump wants single payer. He just won't say it openly because he knows that he can't right now. Isn't it more logical to assume that Trump "wants" what will give him votes? He's been very politically outspoken a great deal of his life. He only quieted down a bit while he allowed his transition from left to right take place so that he could emerge the beast we see today. I think he is a democrat so determined to change the world that he made up this entire persona in hopes of making it to the general election. On March 02 2016 04:15 Plansix wrote:
I am sure the democrats are filled with a mixed sense of glee and fear.
Could we argue that Obama pissed off republicans so much that Trump ended up being the voice of the party, meaning Obama killed the GOP? Pretty sure Obama being the first black president is what pissed off the GOP, fired up the Tea Party and lead to the firey implosion was are seeing now. Ben Carson has one of the highest favorability ratings in polls. Probably because Ben Carson seems like a nice guy. An utter idiot when it comes to politics, but I'd have a beer with him (assuming he could stay awake, maybe coffee would be better). More probably because racism isn't based so much on skin color but on race-associated culture, no?
More that there are “acceptable” black people and as long as someone is of that type, its ok. But that does stem into “I don’t approve of this black culture, its harmful” hand wringing that goes on. But skin color is the factor, until you prove you are not part of the "bad culture".
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United States43611 Posts
On March 02 2016 04:40 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2016 04:30 oBlade wrote:On March 02 2016 04:24 Plansix wrote:On March 02 2016 04:15 Mohdoo wrote:On March 02 2016 04:08 OtherWorld wrote:On March 02 2016 04:05 xDaunt wrote:On March 02 2016 04:03 kwizach wrote:On March 02 2016 03:54 xDaunt wrote:On March 02 2016 03:52 KT_Elwood wrote:
Trump has no plan, only catchy phrases. I think that only people who aren't paying attention think that this is the case. It is more accurate to state that Trump has a plan, some of which he has revealed (protectionism, immigration reform, isolationism etc), and the rest of which he's purposefully obscuring (health care in particular comes to mind). No, I think that people who are paying attention know very well that Trump has no real plan for healthcare, and that he's improvising as he goes. The same is true for protectionism, immigration reform, and isolationism. His bombastic statements don't qualify as a plan, and he's contradicted in his public interventions the little that he has put forward on his own website. I think Trump wants single payer. He just won't say it openly because he knows that he can't right now. Isn't it more logical to assume that Trump "wants" what will give him votes? He's been very politically outspoken a great deal of his life. He only quieted down a bit while he allowed his transition from left to right take place so that he could emerge the beast we see today. I think he is a democrat so determined to change the world that he made up this entire persona in hopes of making it to the general election. On March 02 2016 04:15 Plansix wrote:
I am sure the democrats are filled with a mixed sense of glee and fear.
Could we argue that Obama pissed off republicans so much that Trump ended up being the voice of the party, meaning Obama killed the GOP? Pretty sure Obama being the first black president is what pissed off the GOP, fired up the Tea Party and lead to the firey implosion was are seeing now. Ben Carson has one of the highest favorability ratings in polls. Probably because Ben Carson seems like a nice guy. An utter idiot when it comes to politics, but I'd have a beer with him (assuming he could stay awake, maybe coffee would be better).
And he could tell you his crazy stories about God. The guy thinks some weird things.
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On March 02 2016 04:42 OtherWorld wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2016 04:40 Acrofales wrote:On March 02 2016 04:30 oBlade wrote:On March 02 2016 04:24 Plansix wrote:On March 02 2016 04:15 Mohdoo wrote:On March 02 2016 04:08 OtherWorld wrote:On March 02 2016 04:05 xDaunt wrote:On March 02 2016 04:03 kwizach wrote:On March 02 2016 03:54 xDaunt wrote:On March 02 2016 03:52 KT_Elwood wrote:
Trump has no plan, only catchy phrases. I think that only people who aren't paying attention think that this is the case. It is more accurate to state that Trump has a plan, some of which he has revealed (protectionism, immigration reform, isolationism etc), and the rest of which he's purposefully obscuring (health care in particular comes to mind). No, I think that people who are paying attention know very well that Trump has no real plan for healthcare, and that he's improvising as he goes. The same is true for protectionism, immigration reform, and isolationism. His bombastic statements don't qualify as a plan, and he's contradicted in his public interventions the little that he has put forward on his own website. I think Trump wants single payer. He just won't say it openly because he knows that he can't right now. Isn't it more logical to assume that Trump "wants" what will give him votes? He's been very politically outspoken a great deal of his life. He only quieted down a bit while he allowed his transition from left to right take place so that he could emerge the beast we see today. I think he is a democrat so determined to change the world that he made up this entire persona in hopes of making it to the general election. On March 02 2016 04:15 Plansix wrote:
I am sure the democrats are filled with a mixed sense of glee and fear.
Could we argue that Obama pissed off republicans so much that Trump ended up being the voice of the party, meaning Obama killed the GOP? Pretty sure Obama being the first black president is what pissed off the GOP, fired up the Tea Party and lead to the firey implosion was are seeing now. Ben Carson has one of the highest favorability ratings in polls. Probably because Ben Carson seems like a nice guy. An utter idiot when it comes to politics, but I'd have a beer with him (assuming he could stay awake, maybe coffee would be better). More probably because racism isn't based so much on skin color but on race-associated culture, no?
Fairly certain David Duke is a racist, and I don't doubt that he hates both black culture and their skin color. And he supports Trump, who doesn't seem to care that he's being openly endorsed by white supremacists.
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Canada11427 Posts
On March 02 2016 04:36 KwarK wrote:
I would be amazed if Trump could get the religious right to turn out in force in the general. He's not a weekly church goer, in terms of religion he's about as moderate as you can get in American politics.
I've been reading of evangelicals that are deeply upset about Trump over his treatment of people general, and women in particular. I hope this is true.
They think he is misogynist.
Evangelicals, men and women both, hit this note particularly hard. “He has bragged numerous times about having sexual affairs with married women. He is on his third marriage, to a woman who made a career out of objectifying her own body. … His pandering attempt to sell himself as a Christian is disgraceful and demeaning.”
Take this as you will as it is not exactly scientific, but it is an interesting perspective:
http://www.bloombergview.com/articles/2016-02-29/the-die-hard-republicans-who-say-nevertrump
The full pdf:
http://media.bloomberg.com/bb/avfile/rmZuTh0zj1l8
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On March 02 2016 04:36 KwarK wrote:
I would be amazed if Trump could get the religious right to turn out in force in the general. He's not a weekly church goer, in terms of religion he's about as moderate as you can get in American politics.
Trump already has half of the religious right voting for him. It's the less than 100% conservative portion of the religious right (they're voting Cruz), but it's still a significant portion.
What the ultra-conservatives will do is completely up in the air. Their leadership and gatekeepers are going to be in fits when Trump wins and they don't have a candidate supporting their hot button issues. It'll be interesting to see what they end up doing and how it will affect the laity.
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On March 02 2016 04:44 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2016 04:42 OtherWorld wrote:On March 02 2016 04:40 Acrofales wrote:On March 02 2016 04:30 oBlade wrote:On March 02 2016 04:24 Plansix wrote:On March 02 2016 04:15 Mohdoo wrote:On March 02 2016 04:08 OtherWorld wrote:On March 02 2016 04:05 xDaunt wrote:On March 02 2016 04:03 kwizach wrote:On March 02 2016 03:54 xDaunt wrote:
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I think that only people who aren't paying attention think that this is the case. It is more accurate to state that Trump has a plan, some of which he has revealed (protectionism, immigration reform, isolationism etc), and the rest of which he's purposefully obscuring (health care in particular comes to mind). No, I think that people who are paying attention know very well that Trump has no real plan for healthcare, and that he's improvising as he goes. The same is true for protectionism, immigration reform, and isolationism. His bombastic statements don't qualify as a plan, and he's contradicted in his public interventions the little that he has put forward on his own website. I think Trump wants single payer. He just won't say it openly because he knows that he can't right now. Isn't it more logical to assume that Trump "wants" what will give him votes? He's been very politically outspoken a great deal of his life. He only quieted down a bit while he allowed his transition from left to right take place so that he could emerge the beast we see today. I think he is a democrat so determined to change the world that he made up this entire persona in hopes of making it to the general election. On March 02 2016 04:15 Plansix wrote:
I am sure the democrats are filled with a mixed sense of glee and fear.
Could we argue that Obama pissed off republicans so much that Trump ended up being the voice of the party, meaning Obama killed the GOP? Pretty sure Obama being the first black president is what pissed off the GOP, fired up the Tea Party and lead to the firey implosion was are seeing now. Ben Carson has one of the highest favorability ratings in polls. Probably because Ben Carson seems like a nice guy. An utter idiot when it comes to politics, but I'd have a beer with him (assuming he could stay awake, maybe coffee would be better). More probably because racism isn't based so much on skin color but on race-associated culture, no? More that there are “acceptable” black people and as long as someone is of that type, its ok. But that does stem into “I don’t approve of this black culture, its harmful” hand wringing that goes on. But skin color is the factor, until you prove you are not part of the "bad culture".
Yes that is what I was getting at. Skin color is of course the first factor, because the skin color is instinctively associated to the culture.
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On March 02 2016 04:15 farvacola wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2016 04:13 oneofthem wrote:On March 02 2016 04:09 farvacola wrote:This notion that one can't successfully attack Trump using the identity of his supporters given Trump's ability to capitalize on negative press is tantamount to suggesting that the media is the only party with useful weapons. Word of mouth disapproval of what Trump stands for is running like wildfire through both my law school and work environment, and I've heard very similar stories from friends affiliated with large institutions. Granted, anecdotes are anecdotes, but election perspectives inevitably require some degree of anecdotal inference when it comes to qualifying the state of the race, and I've seen pro-Trump fervor get easily matched by anti-Trump fervor in all places but the media spotlight, a place in which we all know Trump is quite comfortable. Again, this election seems rife with lessons, and I think there'll be a big one to learn from come the general election  neither is all that representative tho. you are better off listening to local radio and such Naturally, it isn't "representative" in a discrete sense, but the point still stands that there are plenty of places outside of the mainstream media that can and are providing a lot of effective push against Trump in a way that necessarily complicates predictions past the primaries. And I gotta add that local radio is definitely not the place to look for fair sampling of popular opinion; shit is way too hot
i mean sports radio and other nonpolitical stuff lol
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On March 02 2016 04:47 Falling wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2016 04:36 KwarK wrote:
I would be amazed if Trump could get the religious right to turn out in force in the general. He's not a weekly church goer, in terms of religion he's about as moderate as you can get in American politics. I've been reading of evangelicals that are deeply upset about Trump over his treatment of people general, and women in particular. I hope this is true. Show nested quote +They think he is misogynist.
Evangelicals, men and women both, hit this note particularly hard. “He has bragged numerous times about having sexual affairs with married women. He is on his third marriage, to a woman who made a career out of objectifying her own body. … His pandering attempt to sell himself as a Christian is disgraceful and demeaning.” Take this as you will as it is not exactly scientific, but it is an interesting perspective: http://www.bloombergview.com/articles/2016-02-29/the-die-hard-republicans-who-say-nevertrumpThe actual letters: http://media.bloomberg.com/bb/avfile/rmZuTh0zj1l8
Sounds like you're reading stuff from the anti-Trump establishment. One of the biggest stories of the election so far is that evangelicals have been flocking to Trump over Cruz, which no one expected.
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