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Before I freak out about Trump, I want to see how he performs in an actual general election debate where he is forced to be substantive on issues. I still have a feeling that he's been skating by due to primary debates being mostly insults and schoolyard fights, and he would get absolutely killed by Clinton/Sanders once the race reaches that level. But until then, we have to take him seriously.
Hope everyone who's state is today has voted/plans to vote!
On March 02 2016 04:09 farvacola wrote: This notion that one can't successfully attack Trump using the identity of his supporters given Trump's ability to capitalize on negative press is tantamount to suggesting that the media is the only party with useful weapons. Word of mouth disapproval of what Trump stands for is running like wildfire through both my law school and work environment, and I've heard very similar stories from friends affiliated with large institutions. Granted, anecdotes are anecdotes, but election perspectives inevitably require some degree of anecdotal inference when it comes to qualifying the state of the race, and I've seen pro-Trump fervor get easily matched by anti-Trump fervor in all places but the media spotlight, a place in which we all know Trump is quite comfortable.
Again, this election seems rife with lessons, and I think there'll be a big one to learn from come the general election
neither is all that representative tho. you are better off listening to local radio and such
Naturally, it isn't "representative" in a discrete sense, but the point still stands that there are plenty of places outside of the mainstream media that can and are providing a lot of effective push against Trump in a way that necessarily complicates predictions past the primaries.
And I gotta add that local radio is definitely not the place to look for fair sampling of popular opinion; shit is way too hot
Ted Cruz is calling on Marco Rubio to suspend his campaign after Super Tuesday, contending that the Florida senator will have no realistic path to the nomination after roughly a dozen states vote Tuesday.
“He is a very talented individual, but Marco does not have any viable path whatsoever to beat Donald Trump,” the Texas senator told conservative radio host Mike Gallagher on Tuesday. “In the first four states, he has gone 0-for-4. He has not won a state.”
Indeed, Cruz won the Iowa caucuses and Trump romped in the next three contests by double-digit margins. Rubio has been praised for strong finishes but has yet to win a state. Nevertheless, he has vowed to stay in as long as it takes to stop Trump — but Cruz doesn't see that happening.
“In all likelihood today, he is not anticipating winning any states,” Cruz said of Rubio. “In all likelihood, he will lose every single Super Tuesday state, and even his home state of Florida. He’s 20 points down.”
So far, Trump leads the race with 82 delegates, followed by Cruz with 17 and Rubio with 16. Several states holding primaries on Super Tuesday maintain thresholds of 20 percent for awarding delegates — Alabama, Georgia, Texas, Tennessee and Vermont — raising the prospect that Rubio may end up blanked in one or more of those contests. And in Alabama, Trump would win every delegates should he top 50 percent of the votes.
Trump will likely maintain his lead in delegates, the Texas senator acknowledged, but Cruz will continue to follow in second after Super Tuesday, which he predicted will yield “a huge drop-off” of candidates.
According to fivethirty he's at ~21% of where he 'd need to be at right now and Rubio is at 41% lol So basicly both are dead because if Rubio is dead Cruz is about twice as dead?
The bigger message is that Paul Ryan and the other GOP leaders have yet to say he has disqualified himself to be the Republican nominee and should drop out. Meaning they still want power whatever the case may be.
Fundamentally they can't disqualify Trump without destroying their party. It would be the emptiest of empty threats.
They also don’t have to back him either. There is a limit to what they are willing to deal with. And if they implode, it could be a very weird day in Washington.
I am sure the democrats are filled with a mixed sense of glee and fear.
On March 02 2016 03:52 KT_Elwood wrote: Trump has no plan, only catchy phrases.
I think that only people who aren't paying attention think that this is the case. It is more accurate to state that Trump has a plan, some of which he has revealed (protectionism, immigration reform, isolationism etc), and the rest of which he's purposefully obscuring (health care in particular comes to mind).
No, I think that people who are paying attention know very well that Trump has no real plan for healthcare, and that he's improvising as he goes. The same is true for protectionism, immigration reform, and isolationism. His bombastic statements don't qualify as a plan, and he's contradicted in his public interventions the little that he has put forward on his own website.
I think Trump wants single payer. He just won't say it openly because he knows that he can't right now.
Isn't it more logical to assume that Trump "wants" what will give him votes?
He's been very politically outspoken a great deal of his life. He only quieted down a bit while he allowed his transition from left to right take place so that he could emerge the beast we see today. I think he is a democrat so determined to change the world that he made up this entire persona in hopes of making it to the general election.
On March 02 2016 04:15 Plansix wrote:
I am sure the democrats are filled with a mixed sense of glee and fear.
Could we argue that Obama pissed off republicans so much that Trump ended up being the voice of the party, meaning Obama killed the GOP?
On March 02 2016 03:52 KT_Elwood wrote: Trump has no plan, only catchy phrases.
I think that only people who aren't paying attention think that this is the case. It is more accurate to state that Trump has a plan, some of which he has revealed (protectionism, immigration reform, isolationism etc), and the rest of which he's purposefully obscuring (health care in particular comes to mind).
No, I think that people who are paying attention know very well that Trump has no real plan for healthcare, and that he's improvising as he goes. The same is true for protectionism, immigration reform, and isolationism. His bombastic statements don't qualify as a plan, and he's contradicted in his public interventions the little that he has put forward on his own website.
I think Trump wants single payer. He just won't say it openly because he knows that he can't right now.
He may very well want single payer, but he has no plan to implement it.
Who cares? He's going to have make a deal with Congress anyway.
Ted Cruz is calling on Marco Rubio to suspend his campaign after Super Tuesday, contending that the Florida senator will have no realistic path to the nomination after roughly a dozen states vote Tuesday.
“He is a very talented individual, but Marco does not have any viable path whatsoever to beat Donald Trump,” the Texas senator told conservative radio host Mike Gallagher on Tuesday. “In the first four states, he has gone 0-for-4. He has not won a state.”
Indeed, Cruz won the Iowa caucuses and Trump romped in the next three contests by double-digit margins. Rubio has been praised for strong finishes but has yet to win a state. Nevertheless, he has vowed to stay in as long as it takes to stop Trump — but Cruz doesn't see that happening.
“In all likelihood today, he is not anticipating winning any states,” Cruz said of Rubio. “In all likelihood, he will lose every single Super Tuesday state, and even his home state of Florida. He’s 20 points down.”
So far, Trump leads the race with 82 delegates, followed by Cruz with 17 and Rubio with 16. Several states holding primaries on Super Tuesday maintain thresholds of 20 percent for awarding delegates — Alabama, Georgia, Texas, Tennessee and Vermont — raising the prospect that Rubio may end up blanked in one or more of those contests. And in Alabama, Trump would win every delegates should he top 50 percent of the votes.
Trump will likely maintain his lead in delegates, the Texas senator acknowledged, but Cruz will continue to follow in second after Super Tuesday, which he predicted will yield “a huge drop-off” of candidates.
According to fivethirty he's at ~21% of where he 'd need to be at right now and Rubio is at 41% lol So basicly both are dead because if Rubio is dead Cruz is about twice as dead?
I think he's trying to frame it as "one of us needs to drop out for the other to stand a chance against Trump, and it should be you because I have won a state and you haven't".
Which is very misleading considering Cruz's limited appeal, but then, Cruz also isn't going to call for himself to drop out.
On March 02 2016 03:52 KT_Elwood wrote: Trump has no plan, only catchy phrases.
I think that only people who aren't paying attention think that this is the case. It is more accurate to state that Trump has a plan, some of which he has revealed (protectionism, immigration reform, isolationism etc), and the rest of which he's purposefully obscuring (health care in particular comes to mind).
No, I think that people who are paying attention know very well that Trump has no real plan for healthcare, and that he's improvising as he goes. The same is true for protectionism, immigration reform, and isolationism. His bombastic statements don't qualify as a plan, and he's contradicted in his public interventions the little that he has put forward on his own website.
I think Trump wants single payer. He just won't say it openly because he knows that he can't right now.
Isn't it more logical to assume that Trump "wants" what will give him votes?
He's been very politically outspoken a great deal of his life. He only quieted down a bit while he allowed his transition from left to right take place so that he could emerge the beast we see today. I think he is a democrat so determined to change the world that he made up this entire persona in hopes of making it to the general election.
On March 02 2016 04:17 Deathstar wrote: Trump and his racist supporters will be put in their place in the general. This is a purely Republican phenomenon.
You may be my new least favorite poster around here.
Ted Cruz is calling on Marco Rubio to suspend his campaign after Super Tuesday, contending that the Florida senator will have no realistic path to the nomination after roughly a dozen states vote Tuesday.
“He is a very talented individual, but Marco does not have any viable path whatsoever to beat Donald Trump,” the Texas senator told conservative radio host Mike Gallagher on Tuesday. “In the first four states, he has gone 0-for-4. He has not won a state.”
Indeed, Cruz won the Iowa caucuses and Trump romped in the next three contests by double-digit margins. Rubio has been praised for strong finishes but has yet to win a state. Nevertheless, he has vowed to stay in as long as it takes to stop Trump — but Cruz doesn't see that happening.
“In all likelihood today, he is not anticipating winning any states,” Cruz said of Rubio. “In all likelihood, he will lose every single Super Tuesday state, and even his home state of Florida. He’s 20 points down.”
So far, Trump leads the race with 82 delegates, followed by Cruz with 17 and Rubio with 16. Several states holding primaries on Super Tuesday maintain thresholds of 20 percent for awarding delegates — Alabama, Georgia, Texas, Tennessee and Vermont — raising the prospect that Rubio may end up blanked in one or more of those contests. And in Alabama, Trump would win every delegates should he top 50 percent of the votes.
Trump will likely maintain his lead in delegates, the Texas senator acknowledged, but Cruz will continue to follow in second after Super Tuesday, which he predicted will yield “a huge drop-off” of candidates.
According to fivethirty he's at ~21% of where he 'd need to be at right now and Rubio is at 41% lol So basicly both are dead because if Rubio is dead Cruz is about twice as dead?
You have to look st what happens if people drop out. If Cruz drops out then to me it seems that too many Cruz guys go to Trump. That's the argument Cruz is making without saying it.
On March 02 2016 04:17 Deathstar wrote: Trump and his racist supporters will be put in their place in the general. This is a purely Republican phenomenon.
You may be my new least favorite poster around here.
On March 02 2016 03:52 KT_Elwood wrote: Trump has no plan, only catchy phrases.
I think that only people who aren't paying attention think that this is the case. It is more accurate to state that Trump has a plan, some of which he has revealed (protectionism, immigration reform, isolationism etc), and the rest of which he's purposefully obscuring (health care in particular comes to mind).
No, I think that people who are paying attention know very well that Trump has no real plan for healthcare, and that he's improvising as he goes. The same is true for protectionism, immigration reform, and isolationism. His bombastic statements don't qualify as a plan, and he's contradicted in his public interventions the little that he has put forward on his own website.
I think Trump wants single payer. He just won't say it openly because he knows that he can't right now.
Isn't it more logical to assume that Trump "wants" what will give him votes?
He's been very politically outspoken a great deal of his life. He only quieted down a bit while he allowed his transition from left to right take place so that he could emerge the beast we see today. I think he is a democrat so determined to change the world that he made up this entire persona in hopes of making it to the general election.
On March 02 2016 04:15 Plansix wrote:
I am sure the democrats are filled with a mixed sense of glee and fear.
Could we argue that Obama pissed off republicans so much that Trump ended up being the voice of the party, meaning Obama killed the GOP?
Wait. So Trump is in fact a Democrat secret agent whose role is to destroy the Republicans from the inside?
More likely that many Republicans lack common sense and are throwing away the election to vent their racist fantasies.
On March 02 2016 04:17 Deathstar wrote: Trump and his racist supporters will be put in their place in the general. This is a purely Republican phenomenon.
You may be my new least favorite poster around here.
Out of curiosity who was your previous? :o
Someone else who claimed racism exists and maybe Republicans pander to them for votes.
The federal agency that enforces civil rights in the workplace is pursuing its first lawsuits ever based upon a worker's sexual orientation.
The Equal Employment Opportunity Commission announced Tuesday that it has filed two cases it described as "groundbreaking" -- one on behalf of a gay male employee of a Pennsylvania medical center, another on behalf of a lesbian employee of a Maryland pallet manufacturer.
A supervisor at Scott Medical Health Center, in Pittsburgh, subjected the worker to "various anti-gay epithets" and "highly offensive comments about his sexuality and sex life," leading him to eventually quit his job, according to the EEOC. A supervisor at IFCO Systems, the Maryland employer, taunted the employee there over her sexual orientation and fired her after she complained about the harassment to management, the agency said.
The EEOC is responsible for protecting workers' rights under the Civil Rights Act, which bars employers from discriminating based upon race, religion, sex or national origin. The cases announced Tuesday are notable because a worker's sexual orientation is not explicitly protected under that landmark law, and the EEOC has never before filed such a suit on behalf of a gay worker (though it has on behalf of transgender workers).
But in a case last year, the EEOC determined that discrimination based upon sexual orientation is inherently discrimination based upon sex. (For the commission's full rationale, check out that decision here.) That determination suggested the commission was likely to bring lawsuits based upon sexual orientation, and Commissioner Chai Feldblum said just a week ago that such a suit would be "coming soon."
In an amicus brief it filed in a separate case last month, the EEOC argued that "sexual orientation discrimination necessarily involves sex stereotyping." In such cases, the agency wrote, workers are treated differently "because their orientation does not conform to heterosexually defined gender norms.”
Ted Cruz is calling on Marco Rubio to suspend his campaign after Super Tuesday, contending that the Florida senator will have no realistic path to the nomination after roughly a dozen states vote Tuesday.
“He is a very talented individual, but Marco does not have any viable path whatsoever to beat Donald Trump,” the Texas senator told conservative radio host Mike Gallagher on Tuesday. “In the first four states, he has gone 0-for-4. He has not won a state.”
Indeed, Cruz won the Iowa caucuses and Trump romped in the next three contests by double-digit margins. Rubio has been praised for strong finishes but has yet to win a state. Nevertheless, he has vowed to stay in as long as it takes to stop Trump — but Cruz doesn't see that happening.
“In all likelihood today, he is not anticipating winning any states,” Cruz said of Rubio. “In all likelihood, he will lose every single Super Tuesday state, and even his home state of Florida. He’s 20 points down.”
So far, Trump leads the race with 82 delegates, followed by Cruz with 17 and Rubio with 16. Several states holding primaries on Super Tuesday maintain thresholds of 20 percent for awarding delegates — Alabama, Georgia, Texas, Tennessee and Vermont — raising the prospect that Rubio may end up blanked in one or more of those contests. And in Alabama, Trump would win every delegates should he top 50 percent of the votes.
Trump will likely maintain his lead in delegates, the Texas senator acknowledged, but Cruz will continue to follow in second after Super Tuesday, which he predicted will yield “a huge drop-off” of candidates.
To be fair, he is right that Rubio isn't winning. His 3-5-2-2 strategy isn't getting him anywhere. Cruz at least has states where he has a lot of popular support.
Ted Cruz is calling on Marco Rubio to suspend his campaign after Super Tuesday, contending that the Florida senator will have no realistic path to the nomination after roughly a dozen states vote Tuesday.
“He is a very talented individual, but Marco does not have any viable path whatsoever to beat Donald Trump,” the Texas senator told conservative radio host Mike Gallagher on Tuesday. “In the first four states, he has gone 0-for-4. He has not won a state.”
Indeed, Cruz won the Iowa caucuses and Trump romped in the next three contests by double-digit margins. Rubio has been praised for strong finishes but has yet to win a state. Nevertheless, he has vowed to stay in as long as it takes to stop Trump — but Cruz doesn't see that happening.
“In all likelihood today, he is not anticipating winning any states,” Cruz said of Rubio. “In all likelihood, he will lose every single Super Tuesday state, and even his home state of Florida. He’s 20 points down.”
So far, Trump leads the race with 82 delegates, followed by Cruz with 17 and Rubio with 16. Several states holding primaries on Super Tuesday maintain thresholds of 20 percent for awarding delegates — Alabama, Georgia, Texas, Tennessee and Vermont — raising the prospect that Rubio may end up blanked in one or more of those contests. And in Alabama, Trump would win every delegates should he top 50 percent of the votes.
Trump will likely maintain his lead in delegates, the Texas senator acknowledged, but Cruz will continue to follow in second after Super Tuesday, which he predicted will yield “a huge drop-off” of candidates.
According to fivethirty he's at ~21% of where he 'd need to be at right now and Rubio is at 41% lol So basicly both are dead because if Rubio is dead Cruz is about twice as dead?
You have to look st what happens if people drop out. If Cruz drops out then to me it seems that too many Cruz guys go to Trump. That's the argument Cruz is making without saying it.
I'd expect Cruz supporters to go to Trump. It's a little less clear with Rubio supporters. Unfortunately, Rubio is drawing the hardcore establishment supporters. I'm sure some will come to their senses and support the eventual GOP nominee. Others likely won't.
On March 02 2016 03:52 KT_Elwood wrote: Trump has no plan, only catchy phrases.
I think that only people who aren't paying attention think that this is the case. It is more accurate to state that Trump has a plan, some of which he has revealed (protectionism, immigration reform, isolationism etc), and the rest of which he's purposefully obscuring (health care in particular comes to mind).
No, I think that people who are paying attention know very well that Trump has no real plan for healthcare, and that he's improvising as he goes. The same is true for protectionism, immigration reform, and isolationism. His bombastic statements don't qualify as a plan, and he's contradicted in his public interventions the little that he has put forward on his own website.
I think Trump wants single payer. He just won't say it openly because he knows that he can't right now.
Isn't it more logical to assume that Trump "wants" what will give him votes?
He's been very politically outspoken a great deal of his life. He only quieted down a bit while he allowed his transition from left to right take place so that he could emerge the beast we see today. I think he is a democrat so determined to change the world that he made up this entire persona in hopes of making it to the general election.
I am sure the democrats are filled with a mixed sense of glee and fear.
Could we argue that Obama pissed off republicans so much that Trump ended up being the voice of the party, meaning Obama killed the GOP?
Pretty sure Obama being the first black president is what pissed off the GOP, fired up the Tea Party and lead to the firey implosion was are seeing now.
On March 02 2016 04:17 Deathstar wrote: Trump and his racist supporters will be put in their place in the general. This is a purely Republican phenomenon.
You may be my new least favorite poster around here.
I actually thought he was trolling at first, but seems like he may be serious.
On March 02 2016 03:52 KT_Elwood wrote: Trump has no plan, only catchy phrases.
I think that only people who aren't paying attention think that this is the case. It is more accurate to state that Trump has a plan, some of which he has revealed (protectionism, immigration reform, isolationism etc), and the rest of which he's purposefully obscuring (health care in particular comes to mind).
No, I think that people who are paying attention know very well that Trump has no real plan for healthcare, and that he's improvising as he goes. The same is true for protectionism, immigration reform, and isolationism. His bombastic statements don't qualify as a plan, and he's contradicted in his public interventions the little that he has put forward on his own website.
I think Trump wants single payer. He just won't say it openly because he knows that he can't right now.
Isn't it more logical to assume that Trump "wants" what will give him votes?
He's been very politically outspoken a great deal of his life. He only quieted down a bit while he allowed his transition from left to right take place so that he could emerge the beast we see today. I think he is a democrat so determined to change the world that he made up this entire persona in hopes of making it to the general election.
On March 02 2016 04:15 Plansix wrote:
I am sure the democrats are filled with a mixed sense of glee and fear.
Could we argue that Obama pissed off republicans so much that Trump ended up being the voice of the party, meaning Obama killed the GOP?
Pretty sure Obama being the first black president is what pissed off the GOP, fired up the Tea Party and lead to the firey implosion was are seeing now.
Your ignorance of the inner workings of the republican party never ceases to amaze me. Here's a hint: left wing news sources probably aren't the best place to go to understand the opposition.
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