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Velr
Switzerland10966 Posts
(and btw. NEVER youtube CERN... i am so angry right now...) | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States24385 Posts
On February 23 2016 09:13 The_Templar wrote: The caucus system is pretty stupid, but IIRC that is only in the primaries which are only for the two parties. Yeah but both ways we still have people wait in hours of lines and traffic. People in all three states so far have reported having to wait 4+ hours to vote. Anecdotely when I call folks I get a fair chunk of people who say they can't vote because they work during the allotted time. That the DNC nomination process has so many similarities with the voting in Republican states, where they are suppressing the vote, is not coincidental. One of many reasons I grow more distrustful of the party/Hillary daily. | ||
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zeo
Serbia6343 Posts
I think Trumps next big issue that he will talk about all the time will be the Federal Reserve. I don't think he'll end the Fed, that would just get him assassinated... maybe just talk about how bad it is? edit: I don't see Hilary pushing for an audit any time soon | ||
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farvacola
United States18869 Posts
On February 23 2016 09:10 Velr wrote: stupid, unfoundend and i don't know question. Is there any actual politics going on in the US or is everyone just waiting for the result of a election that is still far away? I mean, my questions are: Is Obama now "free" or is he forced to not make any strong moves because it could hurt the next (democratic) president? Why are people, even well studied people, smart people, because thats what you used to encounter on TL, so engaged in this fucking drama? I do it purely for entertainment, but i can't spell a vote, in switzerland i get angy beyond belief on various stuff but here? You just accept trump now? Really? REALLY? To democrats... Yes, Sanders would be awesome, but voting in a 74 year old guy as President whiteout knowing the vice president, is just suicidal (hillary is btw. also too old). So it all ends in... Why the fuck do you just have 2 parties? wtf.... (sorry, drunk and kinda angry... never "youtube" Cern.. because instead of the stuff you wanted, you get more conspiracy theories than you can ever imagine). So one of the interesting things about the U.S. that I think gets lost in translation a bit is that, effects of the internet notwithstanding, the different regions and states within the country have all developed very unique cultures and political climates. In other words, that this thread is chock full of national political news that inevitably revolves around a very select few topics has more to do with how relatively difficult it is for third-parties to learn about the political happenings throughout the 50 states than it does the sheer lack of political goings-on. For example, Michigan is in the spotlight right now in terms of "the news item state of the month" because of the Flint water crisis, but that story really only touches the iceberg of what's going on in this state. The governor, Rick Snyder, has done the inevitable and torpedoed his career by doing exactly what he said he was going to do, that being run the state like a business and foster a government culture of bottom line focus at the cost of infrastructural integrity. This has manifested itself not only relative to Flint but also in debacles like the Detroit Schools having toxic and decaying buildings and repeated federal judgements against the state for unconstitutional food benefits distributions. Back to the point, all of that is really difficult to come upon in terms of news media when one doesn't live in the state. Sure, the Flint thing made national headlines, but past that, it's safe to say that relatively major news events are happening in every state and there's just not enough time in the day to come across all of it. Add in the tendency of Americans to develop a practically pathological obsession with presidential politics and it becomes pretty clear why the news cycle so pathetically recycles the same goddamn story about the both important and yet also very unimportant presidential election  | ||
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strongwind
United States862 Posts
On February 23 2016 09:19 Velr wrote: By all the tools you mean like "Letter technology"? (and btw. NEVER youtube CERN... i am so angry right now...) Well moving from caucuses to primaries would be a start. The reason why some prefer caucuses is because they believe it best represents "democracy" because it allows you to sway undecideds to your side by talking with them. This actually happened too; I was able to sway someone to Bernie's side, which was pretty cool. Unfortunately, there are also many ways to exploit the system, and it is overall just too clunky to be used on such a large scale. I know democrats were trying to institute easier voter registration by allowing people with a driver's license to automatically be registered to vote. Things like digital balloting, etc. There's plenty of ways to make all of this easier. | ||
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Atreides
United States2393 Posts
On February 23 2016 09:27 farvacola wrote: So one of the interesting things about the U.S. that I think gets lost in translation a bit is that, effects of the internet notwithstanding, the different regions and states within the country have all developed very unique cultures and political climates. In other words, that this thread is chock full of national political news that inevitably revolves around a very select few topics has more to do with how relatively difficult it is for third-parties to learn about the political happenings throughout the 50 states than it does the sheer lack of political goings-on. For example, Michigan is in the spotlight right now in terms of "the news item state of the month" because of the Flint water crisis, but that story really only touches the iceberg of what's going on in this state. The governor, Rick Snyder, has done the inevitable and torpedoed his career by doing exactly what he said he was going to do, that being run the state like a business and foster a government culture of bottom line focus at the cost of infrastructural integrity. This has manifested itself not only relative to Flint but also in debacles like the Detroit Schools having toxic and decaying buildings and repeated federal judgements against the state for unconstitutional food benefits distributions. Back to the point, all of that is really difficult to come upon in terms of news media when one doesn't live in the state. Sure, the Flint thing made national headlines, but past that, it's safe to say that relatively major news events are happening in every state and there's just not enough time in the day to come across all of it. Add in the tendency of Americans to develop a practically pathological obsession with presidential politics and it becomes pretty clear why the news cycle so pathetically recycles the same goddamn story about the both important and yet also very unimportant presidential election Yes. Its true national politics is for talking about on forums most of the time. My actual political involvement is that I sit on the board of a local commercial fishing association, and I actually invest a LOT of time and money on state/local politics to protect my livelihood and way of life. It is a never ending, losing, battle. Most recently there was a ballot initiative to shut down one of the fisheries I participate in because of ongoing squabbles over the allocation of the resource. State supreme court eventually axed it as unconstitutional. Now there is a big fight in the state legislature over the governors appointments to the Board of Fisheries. No one on here knows or cares anything about those sorts of issues, but you can get a rise/discussion on a topic like the ACA so that's what I brought up earlier. | ||
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ticklishmusic
United States15977 Posts
On February 23 2016 09:16 jcarlsoniv wrote: Yes and no, it's a bit hard to tell with caucuses. NH turned out very well, even considering any advantages he may have had there. <3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3 Actually I'm willing to drop the banbet, I'd miss having a reasonable (and as xDaunt says, intellectually honest) Bernie supporter here and probably just not touch this thread for a month. GH is Bernie-splaining to no end. I've decided not to be annoyed but entertained by it for the most part. | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States24385 Posts
On February 23 2016 10:18 ticklishmusic wrote: <3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3 Actually I'm willing to drop the banbet, I'd miss having a reasonable (and as xDaunt says, intellectually honest) Bernie supporter here and probably just not touch this thread for a month. GH is Bernie-splaining to no end. I've decided not to be annoyed but entertained by it for the most part. Oh well now that's just sad. "Bernie-splaining" really? What does "Bernie-splaining" even mean to you*? | ||
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oneofthem
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
On February 23 2016 09:26 zeo wrote: https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/701868541545295872 I think Trumps next big issue that he will talk about all the time will be the Federal Reserve. I don't think he'll end the Fed, that would just get him assassinated... maybe just talk about how bad it is? edit: I don't see Hilary pushing for an audit any time soon the funny part is that zeo is serious about the assassination | ||
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puerk
Germany855 Posts
On February 23 2016 07:58 Atreides wrote: Well the people that I think might actually make good presidents, can't even get the nomination. Age old issues of course. I do think Trump would likely do a better job for my personal values, interests, and issues than Hillary but he is hardly my first choice. A year ago I scoffed at the very notion like all the rest of you.  (I am more interested in voting for him than either McCain or Romney as stated previously.) Sorry if my offhand remark started us of wrong, but is there a possibility to get you to tell and explain who would make a good president? | ||
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oneofthem
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
we can talk about how fragile regulation is in the form of needing independent agency vigilance though. it's probably always going to be this way | ||
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zeo
Serbia6343 Posts
On February 23 2016 10:27 oneofthem wrote: the funny part is that zeo is serious about the assassination Didn't they whack JFK because he wanted to take powers away from the Fed? | ||
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oneofthem
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
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puerk
Germany855 Posts
On February 23 2016 10:38 zeo wrote: Didn't they whack JFK because he wanted to take powers away from the Fed? pretty sure we have a warning by velr about stupid youtube conspiracy videos in this thread already.... + Show Spoiler + my top 2 "cern" related search result on youtube: Stargate CERN ► Das Sternentor zur Hölle | Vatikan sucht UFOs "stargate cern, the star gate to hell, vatican is looking for ufos" ... am i bored enough to give it a go? | ||
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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
By most measures, Marco Rubio should be running away with the race for the Republican nomination in Nevada. Of all the Republicans left in the contest, the senator from Florida has a unique connection to Nevada’s culture and voters. He lived in Las Vegas for three years as a child, until the age of 11, during which time he also embraced the Mormon faith that is popular in a state that borders Utah. Fully one quarter of GOP caucus-goers in the last presidential election were Mormon. (It was only later that the young Rubio convinced his family to leave the Church of Latter-day Saints to convert to Catholicism.) In a state where Latinos make up 27% of the population, Rubio – as the only bilingual candidate in the field – should be making deep inroads into Nevada. When he showed up to campaign at the downbeat Texas Station casino in north Las Vegas on Monday, there were more than two dozen of his family members in the audience. Mark Hutchison, Nevada’s lieutenant governor who is also serving as Rubio’s state campaign chairman, introduced the candidate by stressing the title of one of the chapters in his autobiography. “You know what it’s titled? Chapter Seven: Growing up Vegas,” Hutchison said. “Growing up Vegas! Marco Rubio grew up here! Marco Rubio is about Nevada. He has his family members here. Senator Rubio once told me has more family members in Nevada than he has in Florida. He is here all the time for reunions. He knows Nevada.” Whatever Rubio knows about Nevada, it isn’t impressing the state’s voters. According to the most recent polls (in a state that is notoriously difficult to poll), Rubio is at least 20 points behind Donald Trump and can barely tie Ted Cruz for second place. In fact, Rubio is faring no worse in this state than he is elsewhere. He is running third in two of the bigger states on Super Tuesday – Texas and Georgia – in line with his third-place finish in Iowa and his effective tie for second place in South Carolina. For a candidate who exudes confidence in his likelihood of winning the nomination, Rubio has a solid lock on losing for the foreseeable future. Source | ||
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xDaunt
United States17988 Posts
On February 23 2016 10:18 ticklishmusic wrote: <3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3 Actually I'm willing to drop the banbet, I'd miss having a reasonable (and as xDaunt says, intellectually honest) Bernie supporter here and probably just not touch this thread for a month. GH is Bernie-splaining to no end. I've decided not to be annoyed but entertained by it for the most part. I think GH deserves an achievement award for most improved poster. He's actually been tolerable for some time now. | ||
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Danglars
United States12133 Posts
... "Rubio, as one of two Latinos in the field." If they were honest and not sidestepping around they'd distinctly characterize his competition. But I mean, cmon, it's the Guardian, silly me. LAS VEGAS — Mainstream Republican donors and elected officials flocked to Sen. Marco Rubio (Fla.) on Monday amid a growing sense that he is the last best chance to prevent Donald Trump from running away with the Republican presidential nomination. WaPo. But Rubio’s path remains narrow and perilous. He has yet to win a state, and a raft of major March 1 contests known as “Super Tuesday” offers few obvious chances for him to do so. And if Trump keeps racking up wins, it will become more difficult to blunt his progress. Increasingly, there is a recognition among Republican elites that if Trump is not slowed by the middle of March, it may be too late to prevent him from winning the nomination. Establishment players be wishin' and hopin' and prayin' and dreamin' for his nomination. Good luck. | ||
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oneofthem
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
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xDaunt
United States17988 Posts
On February 23 2016 11:13 oneofthem wrote: real conflicted here. really enjoy cheering for trump to see the gop panick but trump can seriously win vs hillary and sanders You should like Trump more. He's going to govern like a moderate technocrat. | ||
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LegalLord
United States13779 Posts
Frankly, Dems have a serious issue in that Obama was their last real star candidate in reserve. Hillary is weak and Bernie isn't a Democrat. All the Republican candidates have about the same chance against Bernie/Hillary. Edit: Hooray for caterpillar icon! | ||
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