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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
January 12 2016 01:03 GMT
#54561
Michigan officials are stepping up their efforts to address elevated lead levels in Flint's water after residents accused them of responding too slowly to the crisis.

Local officials are handing out water filters and jugs in the streets of Flint and have set up five new distribution centers for filters and testing kits.

And as Michigan Radio reports, the coordinator of the state response to the crisis says "social workers will make door-to-door visits to make sure homes have water filters correctly installed, and children are getting the services they need."

On Monday, Michigan Gov. Rick Snyder formed a committee made up of experts "to work on long-term solutions to the Flint water situation and ongoing public health concerns affecting residents."

The elevated lead levels are widely blamed on the city's water supply, as we previously reported. In April 2014, the city switched to getting its water from the Flint River. The new supply corroded the city's pipes, leaching lead into the tap water. Even though the city switched back to its original source, the Detroit water system, Flint's mayor says city tap water is still dangerous.

The latest efforts come as the governor faced "a growing crescendo of criticism over the weekend on the state's handling of the crisis," Michigan Radio reports.


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xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
January 12 2016 01:28 GMT
#54562
Are you Clinton backers getting nervous yet?
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
January 12 2016 01:30 GMT
#54563
Rand Paul and Carly Fiorina cut from main debate stage.
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KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States43526 Posts
January 12 2016 01:58 GMT
#54564
On January 12 2016 10:28 xDaunt wrote:
Are you Clinton backers getting nervous yet?

There are Clinton backers? But if my answer is worth anything, no. Dems have this election in the bag before it starts.
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xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
January 12 2016 02:07 GMT
#54565
On January 12 2016 10:58 KwarK wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 12 2016 10:28 xDaunt wrote:
Are you Clinton backers getting nervous yet?

There are Clinton backers? But if my answer is worth anything, no. Dems have this election in the bag before it starts.

Haha, your rhetorical question is quite on point.
Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
January 12 2016 02:09 GMT
#54566
clinton getting screwed over would be best case scenario, right? Or would there be anything left to stop bernie from that point?
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Introvert
Profile Joined April 2011
United States4886 Posts
January 12 2016 02:16 GMT
#54567
Draft Biden again? What are the ballot deadlines?
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ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-01-12 02:18:20
January 12 2016 02:17 GMT
#54568
On January 12 2016 10:58 KwarK wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 12 2016 10:28 xDaunt wrote:
Are you Clinton backers getting nervous yet?

There are Clinton backers? But if my answer is worth anything, no. Dems have this election in the bag before it starts.


I'm a Clinton backer, but honestly it's a win win for me. Clinton wins, we have a solid, experienced candidate who's got this in the bag. Bernie wins, it means I underestimated his ability to generate turnout and the Democrats win anyways.

In another year I might be worried, but the Republican candidates aren't fit to be elected to high school student government and pick the colors for junior prom decorations.
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Deathstar
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
9150 Posts
January 12 2016 02:47 GMT
#54569
So long as Republicans control either the House or Senate, shit will be done. They don't need to win the presidency. They just need to prolong the status quo.
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Slaughter
Profile Blog Joined November 2003
United States20254 Posts
January 12 2016 03:09 GMT
#54570
On January 12 2016 11:47 Deathstar wrote:
So long as Republicans control either the House or Senate, shit will be done. They don't need to win the presidency. They just need to prolong the status quo.


Such a strong strategy by the Republicans: fart around until shit collapses.
Never Knows Best.
aRyuujin
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States5049 Posts
January 12 2016 03:53 GMT
#54571
On January 12 2016 12:09 Slaughter wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 12 2016 11:47 Deathstar wrote:
So long as Republicans control either the House or Senate, shit will be done. They don't need to win the presidency. They just need to prolong the status quo.


Such a strong strategy by the Republicans: fart around until shit collapses.


They tried it and have had a lot of success causing shit to collapse for the last 5 years. Will be interesting to see if Ryan's leadership will increase GOP productivity in the long run.
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TheTenthDoc
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9561 Posts
January 12 2016 04:00 GMT
#54572
On January 12 2016 11:16 Introvert wrote:
Draft Biden again? What are the ballot deadlines?


No matter how worried the leadership gets Biden won't get drafted. All he'd do is play the 2008 Edwards to Clinton's...well... 2008 Clinton, I think, at this point.

Sanders is definitely looking to be in a lot better position now than he was in December. I would be scared for his NH lead, given how it's shrunk quite a bit, but since he really needs to win (or at least do better than expected) in all three of Iowa/New Hampshire/Nevada and an Iowa win or narrow loss would catapult that NH lead up, trading points in NH for points in Iowa is worth it.
always_winter
Profile Joined February 2015
United States195 Posts
January 12 2016 04:25 GMT
#54573
Hate to rain on the pride parade, but the TL US Politics Mega Thread isn't an accurate portrayal of popular opinion in America. There are Clinton supporters. They are many, and they are the reason she's a front-runner. More plentiful yet are hard-line conservatives and their groupthink companions, making the uncertainty of this election surpassed only by its importance. Bernie's a longshot, still. He's the best of a depressingly thin field and his chances of success are likewise.
acker
Profile Joined September 2010
United States2958 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-01-12 07:47:35
January 12 2016 07:45 GMT
#54574
On January 12 2016 10:28 xDaunt wrote:
Are you Clinton backers getting nervous yet?

I'm more interested in the House, Senate, and maybe governorships. This is a big chance for the Democrats to take Republican seats in the other branches of government, especially if they can tie their opponents to Trump or Cruz.

Unless China tanks the economy somehow and Trump/Cruz win the presidency.
DickMcFanny
Profile Blog Joined September 2015
Ireland1076 Posts
January 12 2016 11:59 GMT
#54575
On January 12 2016 13:25 always_winter wrote:
Hate to rain on the pride parade, but the TL US Politics Mega Thread isn't an accurate portrayal of popular opinion in America. There are Clinton supporters. They are many, and they are the reason she's a front-runner. More plentiful yet are hard-line conservatives and their groupthink companions, making the uncertainty of this election surpassed only by its importance. Bernie's a longshot, still. He's the best of a depressingly thin field and his chances of success are likewise.


From what I've seen in the debates, Hillary wins per default because she's a woman.

Even if her policies were all shit, she would get elected on those grounds alone. Now sadly, she's experienced and professional and has a lot of money, so her win over Bernie and any GOP monkey is all but certain.
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Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands22069 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-01-12 12:28:43
January 12 2016 12:02 GMT
#54576
On January 12 2016 20:59 DickMcFanny wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 12 2016 13:25 always_winter wrote:
Hate to rain on the pride parade, but the TL US Politics Mega Thread isn't an accurate portrayal of popular opinion in America. There are Clinton supporters. They are many, and they are the reason she's a front-runner. More plentiful yet are hard-line conservatives and their groupthink companions, making the uncertainty of this election surpassed only by its importance. Bernie's a longshot, still. He's the best of a depressingly thin field and his chances of success are likewise.


From what I've seen in the debates, Hillary wins per default because she's a woman.

Even if her policies were all shit, she would get elected on those grounds alone. Now sadly, she's experienced and professional and has a lot of money, so her win over Bernie and any GOP monkey is all but certain.

Funny how all those other women who have tried have not won by default.
I guess maybe just being a women is not good enough.


As for the upcoming Republican debate. Rand Paul and Carly Fiorina are off the main debate and Chris Christie is till on Oo
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
January 12 2016 14:21 GMT
#54577
it's incredibly easy to throw together a 'platform' when you are just talking. platform soundbites is not so obviously better than simple rhetoric soundbites.
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Seuss
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States10536 Posts
January 12 2016 14:39 GMT
#54578
On January 12 2016 11:47 Deathstar wrote:
So long as Republicans control either the House or Senate, shit will be done. They don't need to win the presidency. They just need to prolong the status quo.


I'd hope that sometime in the next 8 years things might turn around in either the House or Senate, but I'm pretty naive.
"I am not able to carry all this people alone, for they are too heavy for me." -Moses (Numbers 11:14)
Deathstar
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
9150 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-01-12 16:03:12
January 12 2016 16:02 GMT
#54579
On January 12 2016 23:39 Seuss wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 12 2016 11:47 Deathstar wrote:
So long as Republicans control either the House or Senate, shit will be done. They don't need to win the presidency. They just need to prolong the status quo.


I'd hope that sometime in the next 8 years things might turn around in either the House or Senate, but I'm pretty naive.


It's possible. We're still a democratic country, in the sense that we can vote out people we don't like and protest them while they're in office. It's just... we need to all be on the same page with regards to how this country is going to be run.

In other news,

Sanders campaign endorsed by MoveOn.org

"MoveOn members are feeling the Bern," said Ilya Sheyman, executive director of MoveOn.org Political Action. "We will mobilize aggressively to add our collective people power to the growing movement behind the Sanders campaign, starting with a focus on voter turnout in Iowa and New Hampshire

The endorsement was widely expected. MoveOn encouraged Massachusetts Sen. Elizabeth Warren to run for president but when she declined last year many of its supporters got behind Sanders' campaign.


The group lists 8 million members and says it will mobilize nearly 75,000 of its members in Iowa and New Hampshire, which hold the campaign's first two contests.

http://www.bigstory.ap.org/article/51a6be097cf34fa9a965bd84dbacc028/sanders-campaign-endorsed-moveonorg

This is a good bump in manpower for Bernie. Right now Bernie and Hillary are in a tie in Iowa and New Hampshire and this may put some wind for Bernie.
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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
January 12 2016 16:54 GMT
#54580
WASHINGTON (AP) — The Supreme Court ruled Tuesday that Florida's system for sentencing people to death is unconstitutional because it gives too much power to judges — and not enough to juries — to decide capital sentences.

The 8-1 ruling said that the state's sentencing procedure is flawed because juries play only an advisory role in recommending death while the judge can reach a different decision.


The court sided with Timothy Lee Hurst, who was convicted of the 1998 murder of his manager at a Popeye's restaurant in Pensacola. A jury divided 7-5 in favor of death, but a judge imposed the sentence.

Florida's solicitor general argued that the system was acceptable because a jury first decides if the defendant is eligible for the death penalty.

Writing for the court, Justice Sonia Sotomayor said a jury's "mere recommendation is not enough." She said the court was overruling previous decisions upholding the state's sentencing process.

"The Sixth Amendment requires a jury, not a judge, to find each fact necessary to impose a sentence of death," Sotomayor said.

The justices sent the case back to the Florida Supreme Court to determine whether the error in sentencing Hurst was harmless, or whether he should get a new sentencing hearing.

Justice Samuel Alito dissented, saying that the trial judge in Florida simply performs a reviewing function that duplicates what the jury has done.


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