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On August 27 2015 06:03 Introvert wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2015 05:50 Karis Vas Ryaar wrote:On August 27 2015 05:26 Introvert wrote:On August 27 2015 05:13 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:Gov. Jerry Brown, who is in the middle of a political battle over climate-change legislation, took aim at oil companies Monday, saying they sell a “highly destructive” product.
“The oil industry is in deep trouble,” the governor told reporters Monday at a news conference on the shores of Lake Tahoe, where he was attending an annual meeting about the area’s environment.
Oil companies “have a product that is highly destructive, while highly valuable at the same time. And we’re trying to work out the right policies,” he said.
Brown has proposed cutting California's consumption of gasoline in half by 2030. Lawmakers are considering a measure to achieve that goal, as well as other steps intended to reduce greenhouse gas emissions.
The legislation has passed the state Senate but is facing some trouble in the Assembly, where business-friendly Democrats hold more sway.
Oil companies have ramped up their opposition, saying the legislation would lead to gasoline rationing — a contention the measure's supporters reject. Source LA Times, still special pleader for Brown's insanity. so you're saying there's something wrong about what brown is saying? because pretty much the entire oil industry is highly destructive to the land. not to mention the pollutants it causes. at some point we're going to run out of oil. might as well start early. He wants to cut CA gas use by 50% in 15 years. That alone is ridiculous. And the LAT just goes along and mindlessly repeats whatever the governor says.
well if we don't make major changes soon it's going to be too late (in fact it's alreadytoo late.) I have no problem with trying to set a seemingly impossible goal, it inspires creative thinking and more innovation ("If a scientist says something is possible it probably is. If a scientist says something's impossible it probably isn't" Artur C Clarke.") we won't know if it's possible until the actual year that comes. and I don't see why it'ssuch a big deal since if you set a modest goal and reach it you probably could have set a more drastic goal. obviously if it proves to be impsible it can be adjusted down the road.
obviously I don't think they should put in a terrible plan for the sake of trying to get it to 50 percent but trying to figure out a way do cut it in half could lead to something really valuable
didn'tpeople think it was insane when America promised to put a man on the moon within 10 yers?
All I'm saying is I don't see what the issue is as long as it is applied in a sane manner and reevaluated as it goes on.
also isn't the point of the news to report what the leaders say? I mean it's a major newspaper people would throw a fit if every single article was accompanied by an opinion piece of it. If the newspaper want's to say something about it they can use the editorial section.
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On August 27 2015 06:07 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2015 06:00 SolaR- wrote:
Greenhorizons your extremist views are not doing anyone any favors. If you really want to end racism, it doesn't help to relate this incident with the current political movement. The smart move would be to keep this kind of activity as far away from anything race related. This guy just obviously had mental issues and associating it with ending racism to stop this kind of behavior makes you lose all credibility. lol what "extremist" views? Seriously?
defending this guy obviously
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On August 27 2015 06:15 SolaR- wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2015 06:07 GreenHorizons wrote:On August 27 2015 06:00 SolaR- wrote:
Greenhorizons your extremist views are not doing anyone any favors. If you really want to end racism, it doesn't help to relate this incident with the current political movement. The smart move would be to keep this kind of activity as far away from anything race related. This guy just obviously had mental issues and associating it with ending racism to stop this kind of behavior makes you lose all credibility. lol what "extremist" views? Seriously? defending this guy obviously
good thing he never did that I guess?
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On August 27 2015 06:15 SolaR- wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2015 06:07 GreenHorizons wrote:On August 27 2015 06:00 SolaR- wrote:
Greenhorizons your extremist views are not doing anyone any favors. If you really want to end racism, it doesn't help to relate this incident with the current political movement. The smart move would be to keep this kind of activity as far away from anything race related. This guy just obviously had mental issues and associating it with ending racism to stop this kind of behavior makes you lose all credibility. lol what "extremist" views? Seriously? defending this guy obviously
he never defended him, which he had to clarify multiple times: saying you understand where some of the anger comes from isn't the same thing as you agree that what he did in response was justified
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On August 27 2015 06:07 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2015 06:00 SolaR- wrote:
Greenhorizons your extremist views are not doing anyone any favors. If you really want to end racism, it doesn't help to relate this incident with the current political movement. The smart move would be to keep this kind of activity as far away from anything race related. This guy just obviously had mental issues and associating it with ending racism to stop this kind of behavior makes you lose all credibility. lol what "extremist" views? Seriously?
If you don't think there's a problem with how black folks are treated in this country, you're part of the problem.
I think that could be called an extreme statement. It basically poisons the well of discussion by casting everyone who disagrees with your stated position as contributing to what you describe as a thoroughly racist and violent institution/society.
I don't necessarily believe that it proves any extremism on your part, just that I found that particular statement to be somewhat extreme.
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On August 27 2015 06:03 Introvert wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2015 05:50 Karis Vas Ryaar wrote:On August 27 2015 05:26 Introvert wrote:On August 27 2015 05:13 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:Gov. Jerry Brown, who is in the middle of a political battle over climate-change legislation, took aim at oil companies Monday, saying they sell a “highly destructive” product.
“The oil industry is in deep trouble,” the governor told reporters Monday at a news conference on the shores of Lake Tahoe, where he was attending an annual meeting about the area’s environment.
Oil companies “have a product that is highly destructive, while highly valuable at the same time. And we’re trying to work out the right policies,” he said.
Brown has proposed cutting California's consumption of gasoline in half by 2030. Lawmakers are considering a measure to achieve that goal, as well as other steps intended to reduce greenhouse gas emissions.
The legislation has passed the state Senate but is facing some trouble in the Assembly, where business-friendly Democrats hold more sway.
Oil companies have ramped up their opposition, saying the legislation would lead to gasoline rationing — a contention the measure's supporters reject. Source LA Times, still special pleader for Brown's insanity. so you're saying there's something wrong about what brown is saying? because pretty much the entire oil industry is highly destructive to the land. not to mention the pollutants it causes. at some point we're going to run out of oil. might as well start early. He wants to cut CA gas use by 50% in 15 years. That alone is ridiculous. And the LAT just goes along and mindlessly repeats whatever the governor says.
I mean LA times can be ridiculous but the actual job of news media is often to report what famous people say. It's kind of their job when they aren't writing editorials.
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On August 27 2015 06:16 SpiritoftheTunA wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2015 06:15 SolaR- wrote:On August 27 2015 06:07 GreenHorizons wrote:On August 27 2015 06:00 SolaR- wrote:
Greenhorizons your extremist views are not doing anyone any favors. If you really want to end racism, it doesn't help to relate this incident with the current political movement. The smart move would be to keep this kind of activity as far away from anything race related. This guy just obviously had mental issues and associating it with ending racism to stop this kind of behavior makes you lose all credibility. lol what "extremist" views? Seriously? defending this guy obviously he never defended him, which he had to clarify multiple times: saying you understand where some of the anger comes from isn't the same thing as you agree that what he did in response was justified
he's justifying the behavior.
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On August 27 2015 06:19 SolaR- wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2015 06:16 SpiritoftheTunA wrote:On August 27 2015 06:15 SolaR- wrote:On August 27 2015 06:07 GreenHorizons wrote:On August 27 2015 06:00 SolaR- wrote:
Greenhorizons your extremist views are not doing anyone any favors. If you really want to end racism, it doesn't help to relate this incident with the current political movement. The smart move would be to keep this kind of activity as far away from anything race related. This guy just obviously had mental issues and associating it with ending racism to stop this kind of behavior makes you lose all credibility. lol what "extremist" views? Seriously? defending this guy obviously he never defended him, which he had to clarify multiple times: saying you understand where some of the anger comes from isn't the same thing as you agree that what he did in response was justified he's justifying the behavior.
your reading comprehension is terrible
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On August 27 2015 06:16 Cowboy64 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2015 06:07 GreenHorizons wrote:On August 27 2015 06:00 SolaR- wrote:
Greenhorizons your extremist views are not doing anyone any favors. If you really want to end racism, it doesn't help to relate this incident with the current political movement. The smart move would be to keep this kind of activity as far away from anything race related. This guy just obviously had mental issues and associating it with ending racism to stop this kind of behavior makes you lose all credibility. lol what "extremist" views? Seriously? Show nested quote +If you don't think there's a problem with how black folks are treated in this country, you're part of the problem. I think that could be called an extreme statement. It basically poisons the well of discussion by casting everyone who disagrees with your stated position as contributing to what you describe as a thoroughly racist and violent institution/society. I don't necessarily believe that it proves any extremism on your part, just that I found that particular statement to be somewhat extreme.
It's a bit harsh sounding but when you think about it it's just saying that in order for the problem to be fixed the people who don't think there's a problem need to change their minds because their denial or the problem is the main impediment to it being fixed. he could have worded it a bit better yes but I think the intended meaning isn't that extreme. african american groups can't fix the problem by themselves.
On August 27 2015 06:17 TheTenthDoc wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2015 06:03 Introvert wrote:On August 27 2015 05:50 Karis Vas Ryaar wrote:On August 27 2015 05:26 Introvert wrote:On August 27 2015 05:13 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:Gov. Jerry Brown, who is in the middle of a political battle over climate-change legislation, took aim at oil companies Monday, saying they sell a “highly destructive” product.
“The oil industry is in deep trouble,” the governor told reporters Monday at a news conference on the shores of Lake Tahoe, where he was attending an annual meeting about the area’s environment.
Oil companies “have a product that is highly destructive, while highly valuable at the same time. And we’re trying to work out the right policies,” he said.
Brown has proposed cutting California's consumption of gasoline in half by 2030. Lawmakers are considering a measure to achieve that goal, as well as other steps intended to reduce greenhouse gas emissions.
The legislation has passed the state Senate but is facing some trouble in the Assembly, where business-friendly Democrats hold more sway.
Oil companies have ramped up their opposition, saying the legislation would lead to gasoline rationing — a contention the measure's supporters reject. Source LA Times, still special pleader for Brown's insanity. so you're saying there's something wrong about what brown is saying? because pretty much the entire oil industry is highly destructive to the land. not to mention the pollutants it causes. at some point we're going to run out of oil. might as well start early. He wants to cut CA gas use by 50% in 15 years. That alone is ridiculous. And the LAT just goes along and mindlessly repeats whatever the governor says. I mean LA times can be ridiculous but the actual job of news media is often to report what famous people say. It's kind of their job when they aren't writing editorials.
particularly when said famous person is the governor of your state and it's about specific legislation. personally I'd need to know more about what the measure actually says to have a specific opinion about it.
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On August 27 2015 06:11 SpiritoftheTunA wrote:
lets be real though peoples minds dont change often regardless of presentation unless they discover that they have some factual bases wrong
On August 27 2015 06:15 SolaR- wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2015 06:07 GreenHorizons wrote:On August 27 2015 06:00 SolaR- wrote:
Greenhorizons your extremist views are not doing anyone any favors. If you really want to end racism, it doesn't help to relate this incident with the current political movement. The smart move would be to keep this kind of activity as far away from anything race related. This guy just obviously had mental issues and associating it with ending racism to stop this kind of behavior makes you lose all credibility. lol what "extremist" views? Seriously? defending this guy obviously
On August 27 2015 06:15 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2015 06:15 SolaR- wrote:On August 27 2015 06:07 GreenHorizons wrote:On August 27 2015 06:00 SolaR- wrote:
Greenhorizons your extremist views are not doing anyone any favors. If you really want to end racism, it doesn't help to relate this incident with the current political movement. The smart move would be to keep this kind of activity as far away from anything race related. This guy just obviously had mental issues and associating it with ending racism to stop this kind of behavior makes you lose all credibility. lol what "extremist" views? Seriously? defending this guy obviously good thing he never did that I guess?
On August 27 2015 06:19 SolaR- wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2015 06:16 SpiritoftheTunA wrote:On August 27 2015 06:15 SolaR- wrote:On August 27 2015 06:07 GreenHorizons wrote:On August 27 2015 06:00 SolaR- wrote:
Greenhorizons your extremist views are not doing anyone any favors. If you really want to end racism, it doesn't help to relate this incident with the current political movement. The smart move would be to keep this kind of activity as far away from anything race related. This guy just obviously had mental issues and associating it with ending racism to stop this kind of behavior makes you lose all credibility. lol what "extremist" views? Seriously? defending this guy obviously he never defended him, which he had to clarify multiple times: saying you understand where some of the anger comes from isn't the same thing as you agree that what he did in response was justified he's justifying the behavior.
There we have it in a nutshell.
On August 27 2015 06:16 Cowboy64 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2015 06:07 GreenHorizons wrote:On August 27 2015 06:00 SolaR- wrote:
Greenhorizons your extremist views are not doing anyone any favors. If you really want to end racism, it doesn't help to relate this incident with the current political movement. The smart move would be to keep this kind of activity as far away from anything race related. This guy just obviously had mental issues and associating it with ending racism to stop this kind of behavior makes you lose all credibility. lol what "extremist" views? Seriously? Show nested quote +If you don't think there's a problem with how black folks are treated in this country, you're part of the problem. I think that could be called an extreme statement. It basically poisons the well of discussion by casting everyone who disagrees with your stated position as contributing to what you describe as a thoroughly racist and violent institution/society. I don't necessarily believe that it proves any extremism on your part, just that I found that particular statement to be somewhat extreme.
It's reality. It doesn't make everyone who thinks there isn't a problem a card carrying member of the KKK but it certainly is part of the problem. What's "extreme" is the distortion of reality so commonly held that it sees such a statement of obvious fact as "extreme"
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On August 27 2015 06:16 Cowboy64 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2015 06:07 GreenHorizons wrote:On August 27 2015 06:00 SolaR- wrote:
Greenhorizons your extremist views are not doing anyone any favors. If you really want to end racism, it doesn't help to relate this incident with the current political movement. The smart move would be to keep this kind of activity as far away from anything race related. This guy just obviously had mental issues and associating it with ending racism to stop this kind of behavior makes you lose all credibility. lol what "extremist" views? Seriously? Show nested quote +If you don't think there's a problem with how black folks are treated in this country, you're part of the problem. I think that could be called an extreme statement. It basically poisons the well of discussion by casting everyone who disagrees with your stated position as contributing to what you describe as a thoroughly racist and violent institution/society. I don't necessarily believe that it proves any extremism on your part, just that I found that particular statement to be somewhat extreme.
If they think that people like Trump gaining mass support while also being endorsed by a bunch of white supremacist isn't a sign that shit is bad, they should start. And all the shootings and police violence that has been increasing over the years is a problem too.
So if they don't think its a problem, then they are not helping solve it. And if someone like Trump or another racist wackjob gets the animation, racial tension and violence isn't going to go down.
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On August 27 2015 06:19 SolaR- wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2015 06:16 SpiritoftheTunA wrote:On August 27 2015 06:15 SolaR- wrote:On August 27 2015 06:07 GreenHorizons wrote:On August 27 2015 06:00 SolaR- wrote:
Greenhorizons your extremist views are not doing anyone any favors. If you really want to end racism, it doesn't help to relate this incident with the current political movement. The smart move would be to keep this kind of activity as far away from anything race related. This guy just obviously had mental issues and associating it with ending racism to stop this kind of behavior makes you lose all credibility. lol what "extremist" views? Seriously? defending this guy obviously he never defended him, which he had to clarify multiple times: saying you understand where some of the anger comes from isn't the same thing as you agree that what he did in response was justified he's justifying the behavior.
what he said broken down:
1) That was horrible and in no way acceptable
2) (black) people however are angry
3) Because of #2 you will see more of everything on the spectrum: peaceful protests comming from the "normal" folks as well as crazy shit from the guys with issues. Both (and everything inbetween) is going to happen.
In fact it's pretty similar to the "guns don't kill people, crazy people kill people" statement some people like to make.
I don't think there's a problem with what he said at all. It's edgy for sure but he made it a point that it's just an analysis rather than an opinion about any of this.
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On August 27 2015 06:19 SpiritoftheTunA wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2015 06:19 SolaR- wrote:On August 27 2015 06:16 SpiritoftheTunA wrote:On August 27 2015 06:15 SolaR- wrote:On August 27 2015 06:07 GreenHorizons wrote:On August 27 2015 06:00 SolaR- wrote:
Greenhorizons your extremist views are not doing anyone any favors. If you really want to end racism, it doesn't help to relate this incident with the current political movement. The smart move would be to keep this kind of activity as far away from anything race related. This guy just obviously had mental issues and associating it with ending racism to stop this kind of behavior makes you lose all credibility. lol what "extremist" views? Seriously? defending this guy obviously he never defended him, which he had to clarify multiple times: saying you understand where some of the anger comes from isn't the same thing as you agree that what he did in response was justified he's justifying the behavior. your reading comprehension is terrible
no it isn't. He's saying one thing but doing another
I don't believe everything people tell me about themselves. Sure he clarifies that he doesn't justify these actions but if you actually read and understand the context of his argument you would realize that he is at least somewhat justifying it. Or at least sympathizing with it. Everyone says there are a good driver, do I believe that no?
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On August 27 2015 06:12 Karis Vas Ryaar wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2015 06:03 Introvert wrote:On August 27 2015 05:50 Karis Vas Ryaar wrote:On August 27 2015 05:26 Introvert wrote:On August 27 2015 05:13 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:Gov. Jerry Brown, who is in the middle of a political battle over climate-change legislation, took aim at oil companies Monday, saying they sell a “highly destructive” product.
“The oil industry is in deep trouble,” the governor told reporters Monday at a news conference on the shores of Lake Tahoe, where he was attending an annual meeting about the area’s environment.
Oil companies “have a product that is highly destructive, while highly valuable at the same time. And we’re trying to work out the right policies,” he said.
Brown has proposed cutting California's consumption of gasoline in half by 2030. Lawmakers are considering a measure to achieve that goal, as well as other steps intended to reduce greenhouse gas emissions.
The legislation has passed the state Senate but is facing some trouble in the Assembly, where business-friendly Democrats hold more sway.
Oil companies have ramped up their opposition, saying the legislation would lead to gasoline rationing — a contention the measure's supporters reject. Source LA Times, still special pleader for Brown's insanity. so you're saying there's something wrong about what brown is saying? because pretty much the entire oil industry is highly destructive to the land. not to mention the pollutants it causes. at some point we're going to run out of oil. might as well start early. He wants to cut CA gas use by 50% in 15 years. That alone is ridiculous. And the LAT just goes along and mindlessly repeats whatever the governor says. well if we don't make major changes soon it's going to be too late (in fact it's alreadytoo late.) I have no problem with trying to set a seemingly impossible goal, it inspires creative thinking and more innovation ("If a scientist says something is possible it probably is. If a scientist says something's impossible it probably isn't" Artur C Clarke.") we won't know if it's possible until the actual year that comes. and I don't see why it'ssuch a big deal since if you set a modest goal and reach it you probably could have set a more drastic goal. obviously if it proves to be impsible it can be adjusted down the road. obviously I don't think they should put in a terrible plan for the sake of trying to get it to 50 percent but trying to figure out a way do cut it in half could lead to something really valuable didn'tpeople think it was insane when America promised to put a man on the moon within 10 yers? All I'm saying is I don't see what the issue is as long as it is applied in a sane manner and reevaluated as it goes on. also isn't the point of the news to report what the leaders say? I mean it's a major newspaper people would throw a fit if every single article was accompanied by an opinion piece of it. If the newspaper want's to say something about it they can use the editorial section.
He's just a governor who is supposed to be running a state making choices on policy for its citizens. He isn't supposed to be dreaming impossible goals that have real consequences for those living here. He's not JFK, and he isn't proposong a moon landing.
And he's apparently ignorant. The idea that you could remove Californians, of all people, from their cars or keep them from driving is absurd. And they want to tax people who buy electric more. The whole state is run by idiots.
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On August 27 2015 05:13 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2015 05:11 Roe wrote:
You're just upset. Take a break before you say more you'll regret. I don't regret a word I said. You all obviously aren't even close to understanding this. Your post was just ignorant and ignored my opening. Just own it, don't try to put it back on me and butter me up by saying you agree with me sometimes.
It wasn't ignorant. I read your entire post and that's why I said what I said. Maybe read it again when you have a clear head, because all you did was ignore what I said because I disagree with you. edit: no buttering up, just stating I thought some of your previous posts were a lot better and that you could do a lot better
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On August 27 2015 06:29 SolaR- wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2015 06:19 SpiritoftheTunA wrote:On August 27 2015 06:19 SolaR- wrote:On August 27 2015 06:16 SpiritoftheTunA wrote:On August 27 2015 06:15 SolaR- wrote:On August 27 2015 06:07 GreenHorizons wrote:On August 27 2015 06:00 SolaR- wrote:
Greenhorizons your extremist views are not doing anyone any favors. If you really want to end racism, it doesn't help to relate this incident with the current political movement. The smart move would be to keep this kind of activity as far away from anything race related. This guy just obviously had mental issues and associating it with ending racism to stop this kind of behavior makes you lose all credibility. lol what "extremist" views? Seriously? defending this guy obviously he never defended him, which he had to clarify multiple times: saying you understand where some of the anger comes from isn't the same thing as you agree that what he did in response was justified he's justifying the behavior. your reading comprehension is terrible no it isn't. He's saying one thing but doing another I don't believe everything people tell me about themselves. Sure he clarifies that he doesn't justify these actions but if you actually read and understand the context of his argument you would realize that he is at least somewhat justifying it. Or at least sympathizing with it. Everyone says there are a good driver, do I believe that no?
Nah, you're just bad a reading. Or you don't like it when issues are presenting with any form of nuance.
But I'm going for shitty reading comprehension.
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On August 27 2015 06:29 SolaR- wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2015 06:19 SpiritoftheTunA wrote:On August 27 2015 06:19 SolaR- wrote:On August 27 2015 06:16 SpiritoftheTunA wrote:On August 27 2015 06:15 SolaR- wrote:On August 27 2015 06:07 GreenHorizons wrote:On August 27 2015 06:00 SolaR- wrote:
Greenhorizons your extremist views are not doing anyone any favors. If you really want to end racism, it doesn't help to relate this incident with the current political movement. The smart move would be to keep this kind of activity as far away from anything race related. This guy just obviously had mental issues and associating it with ending racism to stop this kind of behavior makes you lose all credibility. lol what "extremist" views? Seriously? defending this guy obviously he never defended him, which he had to clarify multiple times: saying you understand where some of the anger comes from isn't the same thing as you agree that what he did in response was justified he's justifying the behavior. your reading comprehension is terrible no it isn't. He's saying one thing but doing another I don't believe everything people tell me about themselves. Sure he clarifies that he doesn't justify these actions but if you actually read and understand the context of his argument you would realize that he is at least somewhat justifying it. Or at least sympathizing with it. Everyone says there are a good driver, do I believe that no?
no he does not. He said he understands what the trigger for this one was. He never justified anything in there
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On August 27 2015 06:29 SolaR- wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2015 06:19 SpiritoftheTunA wrote:On August 27 2015 06:19 SolaR- wrote:On August 27 2015 06:16 SpiritoftheTunA wrote:On August 27 2015 06:15 SolaR- wrote:On August 27 2015 06:07 GreenHorizons wrote:On August 27 2015 06:00 SolaR- wrote:
Greenhorizons your extremist views are not doing anyone any favors. If you really want to end racism, it doesn't help to relate this incident with the current political movement. The smart move would be to keep this kind of activity as far away from anything race related. This guy just obviously had mental issues and associating it with ending racism to stop this kind of behavior makes you lose all credibility. lol what "extremist" views? Seriously? defending this guy obviously he never defended him, which he had to clarify multiple times: saying you understand where some of the anger comes from isn't the same thing as you agree that what he did in response was justified he's justifying the behavior. your reading comprehension is terrible no it isn't. He's saying one thing but doing another I don't believe everything people tell me about themselves. Sure he clarifies that he doesn't justify these actions but if you actually read and understand the context of his argument you would realize that he is at least somewhat justifying it. Or at least sympathizing with it. Everyone says there are a good driver, do I believe that no?
On August 27 2015 06:30 Roe wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2015 05:13 GreenHorizons wrote:On August 27 2015 05:11 Roe wrote:
You're just upset. Take a break before you say more you'll regret. I don't regret a word I said. You all obviously aren't even close to understanding this. Your post was just ignorant and ignored my opening. Just own it, don't try to put it back on me and butter me up by saying you agree with me sometimes. It wasn't ignorant. I read your entire post and that's why I said what I said. Maybe read it again when you have a clear head, because all you did was ignore what I said because I disagree with you.
Y'all keep trying to reach these people with your NPR voices and reasoned logical arguments, I sincerely don't think you're going to make any more progress than I have by simply calling them out for what they are.
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On August 27 2015 06:29 Introvert wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2015 06:12 Karis Vas Ryaar wrote:On August 27 2015 06:03 Introvert wrote:On August 27 2015 05:50 Karis Vas Ryaar wrote:On August 27 2015 05:26 Introvert wrote:On August 27 2015 05:13 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:Gov. Jerry Brown, who is in the middle of a political battle over climate-change legislation, took aim at oil companies Monday, saying they sell a “highly destructive” product.
“The oil industry is in deep trouble,” the governor told reporters Monday at a news conference on the shores of Lake Tahoe, where he was attending an annual meeting about the area’s environment.
Oil companies “have a product that is highly destructive, while highly valuable at the same time. And we’re trying to work out the right policies,” he said.
Brown has proposed cutting California's consumption of gasoline in half by 2030. Lawmakers are considering a measure to achieve that goal, as well as other steps intended to reduce greenhouse gas emissions.
The legislation has passed the state Senate but is facing some trouble in the Assembly, where business-friendly Democrats hold more sway.
Oil companies have ramped up their opposition, saying the legislation would lead to gasoline rationing — a contention the measure's supporters reject. Source LA Times, still special pleader for Brown's insanity. so you're saying there's something wrong about what brown is saying? because pretty much the entire oil industry is highly destructive to the land. not to mention the pollutants it causes. at some point we're going to run out of oil. might as well start early. He wants to cut CA gas use by 50% in 15 years. That alone is ridiculous. And the LAT just goes along and mindlessly repeats whatever the governor says. well if we don't make major changes soon it's going to be too late (in fact it's alreadytoo late.) I have no problem with trying to set a seemingly impossible goal, it inspires creative thinking and more innovation ("If a scientist says something is possible it probably is. If a scientist says something's impossible it probably isn't" Artur C Clarke.") we won't know if it's possible until the actual year that comes. and I don't see why it'ssuch a big deal since if you set a modest goal and reach it you probably could have set a more drastic goal. obviously if it proves to be impsible it can be adjusted down the road. obviously I don't think they should put in a terrible plan for the sake of trying to get it to 50 percent but trying to figure out a way do cut it in half could lead to something really valuable didn'tpeople think it was insane when America promised to put a man on the moon within 10 yers? All I'm saying is I don't see what the issue is as long as it is applied in a sane manner and reevaluated as it goes on. also isn't the point of the news to report what the leaders say? I mean it's a major newspaper people would throw a fit if every single article was accompanied by an opinion piece of it. If the newspaper want's to say something about it they can use the editorial section. He's just a governor who is supposed to be running a state making choices on policy for its citizens. He isn't supposed to be dreaming impossible goals that have real consequences for those living here. He's not JFK, and he isn't proposong a moon landing. And he's apparently ignorant. The idea that you could remove Californians, of all people, from their cars or keep them from driving is absurd. And they want to tax people who buy electric more. The whole state is run by idiots.
the goal of a governor is to try to make choices that they think are good and not just in the short term. I don't know enough about the measure (or economics really) to know whether it's good or bad so I'm not going to comment on any specifics but I don't have a problem with what what his intentions are.
but sometime's you do have to make short term sacrifices for the future and not be so focused on what's good this instant. On the same hand you can't make people miserable for the sake of policy to help future generations, there's a balance somewhere. (of course if the legislation is terrible and doesn't accomplish anything than that's a problem. or if it accomplishes things only by perman)
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On August 27 2015 06:33 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2015 06:29 SolaR- wrote:On August 27 2015 06:19 SpiritoftheTunA wrote:On August 27 2015 06:19 SolaR- wrote:On August 27 2015 06:16 SpiritoftheTunA wrote:On August 27 2015 06:15 SolaR- wrote:On August 27 2015 06:07 GreenHorizons wrote:On August 27 2015 06:00 SolaR- wrote:
Greenhorizons your extremist views are not doing anyone any favors. If you really want to end racism, it doesn't help to relate this incident with the current political movement. The smart move would be to keep this kind of activity as far away from anything race related. This guy just obviously had mental issues and associating it with ending racism to stop this kind of behavior makes you lose all credibility. lol what "extremist" views? Seriously? defending this guy obviously he never defended him, which he had to clarify multiple times: saying you understand where some of the anger comes from isn't the same thing as you agree that what he did in response was justified he's justifying the behavior. your reading comprehension is terrible no it isn't. He's saying one thing but doing another I don't believe everything people tell me about themselves. Sure he clarifies that he doesn't justify these actions but if you actually read and understand the context of his argument you would realize that he is at least somewhat justifying it. Or at least sympathizing with it. Everyone says there are a good driver, do I believe that no? Show nested quote +On August 27 2015 06:30 Roe wrote:On August 27 2015 05:13 GreenHorizons wrote:On August 27 2015 05:11 Roe wrote:
You're just upset. Take a break before you say more you'll regret. I don't regret a word I said. You all obviously aren't even close to understanding this. Your post was just ignorant and ignored my opening. Just own it, don't try to put it back on me and butter me up by saying you agree with me sometimes. It wasn't ignorant. I read your entire post and that's why I said what I said. Maybe read it again when you have a clear head, because all you did was ignore what I said because I disagree with you. Y'all keep trying to reach these people with your NPR voices and reasoned logical arguments, I sincerely don't think you're going to make any more progress than I have by simply calling them out for what they are.
Normally I pick when to use my NPR voice and when to call them a useless racist. Or as someone else put it once, "I don't want to beat them, I want to win."
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