EPTOn August 27 2015 07:43 whatisthisasheep wrote:
Bloomberg gave a tour of Trump's campaign headquarters
Bloomberg gave a tour of Trump's campaign headquarters
Trump is the gift that keeps on giving. WADR interview
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Deathstar
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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
Confirming rumors that he is seriously considering jumping into the 2016 presidential race, Vice President Joe Biden acknowledged that he is indeed weighing whether to get into the contest. But in a closed-conference call with Democratic National Committee officials, he noted that he and his family are trying to decide "whether or not there is the emotional fuel at this time to run." Biden's son Beau died of brain cancer in May. "If I were to announce to run," Biden said, "I have to be able to commit to all of you that I would be able to give it my whole heart and my whole soul, and right now, both are pretty well banged up. ... I've given this a lot of thought and dealing internally with the family on how we do this." CNN first reported the remarks. A source familiar with the call confirmed to NPR what Biden said. The call was intended for Biden to sell the administration's Iran deal, but, predictably, with committee members — many of whom Biden has known a long time — it veered into politics. Making matters even more complicated for Biden is timing. If he were to get in at this late stage, other candidates would have a significant head start. In particular, taking on Hillary Clinton's juggernaut — with its campaign infrastructure and money — would be daunting. But it's not just Clinton he has to worry about. Sen. Bernie Sanders, I-Vt., has rocketed to the top or near the top in polls in New Hampshire and not far behind Clinton in Iowa. Biden trails behind both in most surveys. Source | ||
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Introvert
United States4862 Posts
On August 27 2015 08:55 Acrofales wrote: JFK was just a president who was supposed to be running a nation making choices on policy for its citizens. He wasn't supposed to be dreaming impossible goals that have real conequences for those living there. Regarding your second statement, isn't that the ENTIRE POINT OF SETTING AN IMPOSSIBLE GOAL? If you looked at it and said "yeah, it's going to be easy to get Californians out of their cars", then it wouldn't be an impossible goal. Would it? I hope he has some actual policy ideas that can get him there, though. Such as massive investments in public transport systems, bike lanes and encouragement programs, etc. etc. I am not invested enough to read up on it, I just think it's funny that you leveled such an utterly simplistic criticism of the program. In order to reduce use by such a large amount requires far more sacrifice from each citizen then the NASA Apollo program. For one, this is affecting the way people actually live. Either by continuing to increase congestion, or increasing taxes, or moving forward on regulations at hyper-speed making things more expensive. The fact they aren't even sure how they would accomplish their goal. Of course, the board that is going to be granted this incredible power says it is possible http://www.arb.ca.gov/newsrel/petroleum_reductions.pdf But these is my favorite lines- + Show Spoiler + • Existing policies will reduce petroleum use in cars and trucks by more than 20% in 2030 • Planned activities over next two years can achieve significant additional petroleum reductions They want to more than double what they think they are on track for. CA already has high gas taxes, already has regulations, already has to have its own set of gas in the summer because there is a dumb law for a "Summer blend." CA residents already pay an incredible amount for what has been attempted so far. I'm not sure how you could squeeze more out of them. Especially the poor ones that can't afford these more expensive, more efficient cars. No, this is a fantasy that will leave a train-wreck in it's wake. Edit: never mind the CA "culture" of driving. And never mind that LA and other areas aren't laid out like NYC- adding mass transit is far more difficult here for many reasons. Not limited to things like city layout or distance to work. They tried adding a metro line in LA. It hasn't succeeded in its goals. Lots of people use it, but it really is inferior to driving. | ||
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Cowboy64
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On August 27 2015 06:21 GreenHorizons wrote: It's reality. It doesn't make everyone who thinks there isn't a problem a card carrying member of the KKK but it certainly is part of the problem. What's "extreme" is the distortion of reality so commonly held that it sees such a statement of obvious fact as "extreme" I guess the only question would be how broad your definitions are. How bad is the problem and how institutionalized and systemic is it? I don't think many would disagree with the statement that there is a problem with the way a lot of black people are treated, but I think a lot of people would disagree with the root causes of that problem, and to some extent the nature of the problem itself. They might say that you are part of the problem because you disagree with them on some piece of the definition. Which is bordering on extreme in my opinion because it seems to divide and isolate the general populace into two camps. With us or against us. Then again, maybe the problem is so great that it deserves that kind of statement. I suppose I don't really know enough facts to make a determination there. | ||
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Wegandi
United States2455 Posts
On August 27 2015 04:20 Kickstart wrote: I find the thought process displayed by whatisthisasheep to be pretty disturbing whenever I come across it. To believe as he does you have to say "Blacks were enslaved for hundreds of years; then we freed them but they were not equal and didn't have many basic rights; then only about 50 years ago we desegregate but still a culture rife with racism prevails for quite some time; but now nothing is holding them down, racism is over, they aren't owed anything, and the only people holding them back are themselves". How oblivious to our nations history and its lasting impact can someone be. I mean every aspect of the system was setup against them and there are still remnants of it today that are glaringly obvious. People talk about schooling, look at college loans. Lenders would 'redlist' entire zipcodes (so they could get around discriminating, because they are not lending to the entire area not individuals) that were low-income (read, largely poor black populations). This notion that nothing is holding them back is just silly and ignorant. Are there more opportunities now than before? Yes. But it is still unreasonable to pretend like everything is equal and the playing field is the same for everyone when it clearly isn't. 50 years ago isn't even that long ago, to expect everything to be equal when we haven't even been desegregated for that long just baffles me. Anyways I could rant forever but if you don't get the point by now there's no helping you :D! So, are the lenders greedy or racist, because they can't be both as they are mutually exclusive in practice. Blacks and other minorities have large institutional and governmental advantages today, so the argument that slavery or Jim Crow is responsible for the socioeconomic conditions 150 or 50 years later is asinine. Asian's were as discriminated against, and yet, today they are by far blowing away every other identity group in terms of socioeconomic success in this country. It's obvious that there are problems in communities other than 'racism', but you can't bring yourself to admit any fault in any victim-identity group that could be holding themselves back. It's always whites, or males to you guys. Just for the record it's been longer than 50 years now, and that is plenty of time as that is nearly 2 generations. We should have seen some progress by now, but blacks now aren't even better off in terms of socioeconomics than they were in the 1960s. Of course, there are a myriad of reasons for this not the least of which include; Drug War and increasing amount of laws that disproportionally effect the poor (more laws, and money meaning more in today's "Justice" system), their culture that has seen the family unit destroyed, education being not nearly as important as in other parts of our society, etc. Go ahead and rant forever though. Perhaps black communities should look towards Asians to see how to improve themselves. | ||
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IgnE
United States7681 Posts
On August 27 2015 12:56 Wegandi wrote: So, are the lenders greedy or racist, because they can't be both as they are mutually exclusive in practice. Blacks and other minorities have large institutional and governmental advantages today, so the argument that slavery or Jim Crow is responsible for the socioeconomic conditions 150 or 50 years later is asinine. Asian's were as discriminated against, and yet, today they are by far blowing away every other identity group in terms of socioeconomic success in this country. It's obvious that there are problems in communities other than 'racism', but you can't bring yourself to admit any fault in any victim-identity group that could be holding themselves back. It's always whites, or males to you guys. Just for the record it's been longer than 50 years now, and that is plenty of time as that is nearly 2 generations. We should have seen some progress by now, but blacks now aren't even better off in terms of socioeconomics than they were in the 1960s. Of course, there are a myriad of reasons for this not the least of which include; Drug War and increasing amount of laws that disproportionally effect the poor (more laws, and money meaning more in today's "Justice" system), their culture that has seen the family unit destroyed, education being not nearly as important as in other parts of our society, etc. Go ahead and rant forever though. Perhaps black communities should look towards Asians to see how to improve themselves. Not a whole lot of people are better off than they were in the 1960's except for the rich. | ||
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Kickstart
United States1941 Posts
On August 27 2015 12:56 Wegandi wrote: So, are the lenders greedy or racist, because they can't be both as they are mutually exclusive in practice. Blacks and other minorities have large institutional and governmental advantages today, so the argument that slavery or Jim Crow is responsible for the socioeconomic conditions 150 or 50 years later is asinine. Asian's were as discriminated against, and yet, today they are by far blowing away every other identity group in terms of socioeconomic success in this country. It's obvious that there are problems in communities other than 'racism', but you can't bring yourself to admit any fault in any victim-identity group that could be holding themselves back. It's always whites, or males to you guys. Just for the record it's been longer than 50 years now, and that is plenty of time as that is nearly 2 generations. We should have seen some progress by now, but blacks now aren't even better off in terms of socioeconomics than they were in the 1960s. Of course, there are a myriad of reasons for this not the least of which include; Drug War and increasing amount of laws that disproportionally effect the poor (more laws, and money meaning more in today's "Justice" system), their culture that has seen the family unit destroyed, education being not nearly as important as in other parts of our society, etc. Go ahead and rant forever though. Perhaps black communities should look towards Asians to see how to improve themselves. I didn't say the lenders were racist, it was an example of opportunities not being equal. People were saying that blacks should just educate themselves etc etc, and I was explaining that at every level they have been or still are disenfranchised. If you think 50 years is enough time to be on par with the general population after years of being oppressed then you are the one making an asinine point. Asians weren't slaves for hundreds of years and while they were discriminated against it wasn't as institutionalized as it was against the blacks, and though it was bad at its peak of putting them in internment camps, it isn't nearly as severe. Of course there are things that individuals can do to try and move themselves up, and individuals do so. But, even if someone can 'make it', that says nothing about the system that is skewed against them. So you think people whose grandparents were dirt poor and lived under Jim Crow are as likely to be as well off as the rest of us? Again, no one is saying that it is all whiteys fault, so why you guys get so defensive just further indicates that you feel attacked when someone brings up the point that the 'system' might not be as fair to everyone else as it is to you. There are things that blacks could work on themselves to better their status as a whole, that is a valid point. But again, just because that may be enough doesn't mean that there aren't things beyond an individuals control keeping them down, which is clearly the case for almost everyone, especially minorities and especially blacks. | ||
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Deathstar
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Immigrants rise past blacks because they adapt to the environment and learn what's proper and what's not to work in a business environment. User was temp banned for this post. | ||
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ticklishmusic
United States15977 Posts
I also recommend reading up about model minorities and the 1965 Immigration act. | ||
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Slaughter
United States20254 Posts
This really isn't a big mystery. Its not like this is unique to black people. Any group that is put in the type of position they are in within a society will do similar base level things. You think the poor elements of other countries don't have these types of problems within their communities? Its a matter of social inequality and disenfranchisement. Basically poor people who see little chance to raise themselves up (despite all American potential and freedom to raise yourself up promises). | ||
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Slaughter
United States20254 Posts
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GreenHorizons
United States23470 Posts
On August 27 2015 13:50 Deathstar wrote: Blacks are currently discriminated against because their mainstream ideology, including rap, violence, and mysoginy, has no place in modern workplace. The blacks that adapt by doing basic things like wearing appropriate clothes, smiling, and being nice rise past their neighbors, and the blacks that cling to their buffoonery culture will stay in poverty, and rightfully so. Immigrants rise past blacks because they adapt to the environment and learn what's proper and what's not to work in a business environment. That's a lot of ignorance packed in a reasonably short post. Violence and misogyny are staples of white culture in America and are still a huge part of the workplace. More white people listen to rap and buy albums than black people, besides that, rap is better music and has better messages than pop. But don't let me interrupt your ignorance. | ||
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Painmaker
Uruguay230 Posts
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whatisthisasheep
624 Posts
On August 27 2015 15:05 GreenHorizons wrote: That's a lot of ignorance packed in a reasonably short post. Violence and misogyny are staples of white culture in America and are still a huge part of the workplace. More white people listen to rap and buy albums than black people, besides that, rap is better music and has better messages than pop. But don't let me interrupt your ignorance. Straight out of Compton has been the #1 movie in America for 2 weeks straight. | ||
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Mohdoo
United States15725 Posts
On August 27 2015 15:05 GreenHorizons wrote: rap is better music and has better messages than pop. lol what? What rap music are you saying has a good message? Or are you just saying that pop music has a terrible message? I enjoy myself some rap, but I'm not gonna pretend gang violence, drugs and other such things are a good thing. | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States23470 Posts
On August 27 2015 15:13 Mohdoo wrote: lol what? What rap music are you saying has a good message? Or are you just saying that pop music has a terrible message? I enjoy myself some rap, but I'm not gonna pretend gang violence, drugs and other such things are a good thing. Yeah because that's all of rap music... Good lord people. | ||
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Mohdoo
United States15725 Posts
On August 27 2015 15:27 GreenHorizons wrote: Yeah because that's all of rap music... Good lord people. If you were to take a sample of all the rap music people hear on the radio or in music videos, what percentage of the lyrics would you say pertain to something illegal? Saying there is rap that has stuff besides that is silly. No shit. There is technically some amount of music about every subject possible in some percentage for every genre. But on the whole, from what we commonly see, rap music is primarily a very toxic message. | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States23470 Posts
On August 27 2015 15:30 Mohdoo wrote: If you were to take a sample of all the rap music people hear on the radio or in music videos, what percentage of the lyrics would you say pertain to something illegal? Saying there is rap that has stuff besides that is silly. No shit. There is technically some amount of music about every subject possible in some percentage for every genre. But on the whole, from what we commonly see, rap music is primarily a very toxic message. Glory (From the Motion Picture "Selma")/Awards/ BET Award for Best Collaboration 2015 · John Legend, Common Academy Award for Best Original Song 2015 · John Legend, Common Golden Globe Award for Best Original Song 2015 · John Legend, Common Broadcast Film Critics Association Award for Best Song 2015 · John Legend, Common Just because you aren't paying attention to it doesn't mean it's some obscure reference. | ||
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Mohdoo
United States15725 Posts
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
On August 27 2015 15:51 GreenHorizons wrote: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HUZOKvYcx_o Just because you aren't paying attention to it doesn't mean it's some obscure reference. If the premise of rap music being the cause of black dysfunction was legitimate (it isn't, its a symptom), and if that was because of its high prevalence of antisocial lyrics (no stats from me), that would be one of the most pathetic rebuttals possible. | ||
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