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zlefin
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
United States7689 Posts
August 06 2015 17:07 GMT
#43121
It's not just national committees though; the point is more about the extent to which nominally private groups can make decisions with profound consequences for the country without being subject to the oversight that would apply if they were officially part of the government.
The effects can also be very significant at state and local levels.
Great read: http://shorensteincenter.org/news-coverage-2016-general-election/ great book on democracy: http://press.princeton.edu/titles/10671.html zlefin is grumpier due to long term illness. Ignoring some users.
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
August 06 2015 17:46 GMT
#43122
WASHINGTON (AP) — President Barack Obama is considering signing an executive order requiring all federal contractors to offer paid sick leave to their employees, two individuals familiar with the deliberations said Wednesday.

The executive order, which is in the works but not yet final, would mandate that companies doing business with the federal government allow their workers to earn at least seven days of paid leave per year. Workers could use those days when they are sick or caring for sick relatives, said the individuals, who weren't authorized to comment on the order and requested anonymity.

Obama has been calling for an expansion of paid leave since January, when he urged Congress to pass legislation granting paid leave to many private-sector employees who are currently ineligible. The legislation, which Obama touted in his State of the Union address but has yet gain traction in Congress, would have allow workers to earn up to seven days — or an hour for every 30 hours they work — to care for themselves or a sick family member, obtain preventive care or address domestic violence situations.

The White House declined to comment on the draft executive order, which was first reported by The New York Times. The Labor Department said it was "exploring ways to expand access to paid leave" but declined to elaborate.

"At this time, no final decisions have been made on specific policy announcements," the Labor Department said in a statement.

Unable to push much of his agenda through a Republican-controlled Congress, Obama has in recent years used executive orders with frequency to apply policies to federal contractors that he lacks the authority to enact nationwide, aiming to lay the groundwork for those policies to later be expanded to all Americans. Earlier executive orders have barred federal contractors from discriminating against workers based on their sexual orientation or gender identity, raised the minimum wage for contractors and expanded the number of contract workers eligible for overtime.

More than 40 million private-sector workers don't have access to any type of paid sick leave, the White House said in January as Obama called on Congress to act. He also encouraged states and cities to pass measures to let workers earn up to a week per year.


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whatisthisasheep
Profile Joined April 2015
624 Posts
August 06 2015 17:57 GMT
#43123
Every time Trump says the word Mexico during the debate, everyone gets a free taco
http://www.wired.com/2015/08/free-tacos-trump/
Please help me get in contact with the Pats organization because I'd love to personally deflate Tom's balls.
oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
August 06 2015 18:15 GMT
#43124
part of teh reason why i want trump to be the gop candidate is precisely for him to run a virulent campaign that gets a bunch of support and expose the actual state of culture in this country. lots of people in denial atm
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
Yoav
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1874 Posts
August 06 2015 18:45 GMT
#43125
On August 06 2015 23:37 Stratos_speAr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 06 2015 22:47 Acrofales wrote:
The line is pretty arbitrary, though. It's us who decide where the line is, and pro-life people draw the line at conception, most people draw it somewhere in the 20-24 week gestation. But there is no objective criteria that says "now the foetus is human". Human-ness is not a black/white case, in this situation, but a continuous scale of increasing human-ness. We simply need to agree on how at what point the human-ness is sufficient to trump the women's rights.

And for that, we don't only need to pinpoint the human-ness factor of a foetus, but also how much we value women's rights (and how much we value an X amount of human-ness). So no, you cannot simply conflate the argument to an arbitrary point you decide that a foetus is now a human. It really is more complex than that.


This is why human-ness is irrelevant.

The real question is, "Is it acceptable to take legal command of a woman's body and force her to go through pregnancy without her consent?". You have to ask this question because if you tell a woman she can't have an abortion, you are automatically saying that the right of the fetus trumps her rights to bodily freedom, and that's pretty questionable.

Once a baby is alive outside of the womb, if the mother doesn't want it, there are a variety of things she can do to remove the responsibility of caring for a child from her life without killing it, and these options don't force any further hardship on her like keeping a pregnancy to term and then giving up a baby would. Pregnancy is absolutely brutal to the body, can be quite dangerous, pretty much universally compromises the body's functioning, and can have serious permanent emotional, physical, and financial consequences. to force someone to go through that without their consent is, at least in my eyes, incredibly immoral.

To me, it amounts to forced labor, and I can't find a justification for that. And no, sex does not equal consent to be pregnant.


I actually think Zasz's critique of this is quite reasonable. I don't fully go with it, but I think it could be a reasonable public policy option, since I think you have to say that we should live in a society where putting off an abortion for a certain length of time counts as consent to have the child. Now I'm aware of the immediate criticism, and I make it myself, that the current situation is that many women are unreasonably far from a clinic, and financial strain can play a part.

But to me, it seems that a "safe, legal, and rare" scheme ought to aim for a system where we allow (and make easy for all people to get) abortions through the first third to half of pregnancy. You can argue about exactly where that line is, and I know a lot of reasonable people would go for the second third. And I think that might be a necessary interim step until we make abortion access easier for all women. But I would favor moving to that, and trying to move the timeline back a little once that objective was received. Later than that should be for medical reasons only, under roughly the conditions you'd allow a conjoined twin to separate in such a way that was guaranteed to be lethal to their less-than-fully-formed partner.

On August 07 2015 00:58 farvacola wrote:
Or you could respect the fact that many, many pro choice people are religious too and avoid using childish pejoratives in proving your point. Rights and morals are highly interconnected in any case.


Where's the fucking like button for posts like this?

On topic: Joe Biden: "If anybody says I'm anti-religion one more time, I'm gonna shove my rosary beads up their ass."

Since I'm the resident Bible nerd, yeah, the Bible says basically nothing at all on this. Old Testament code classified an assault that caused an abortion as injury, not murder. The OT is also strongly against ritual infanticide. The passage most often quoted on this is a Psalm that is about God's creation of the universe and ability to see the future, which isn't really an argument one way or the other on this. (I guess maybe you could make a pro-choice argument out of this; that God only ensouls those who God knows are going to become full people...)
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18239 Posts
August 06 2015 18:51 GMT
#43126
Not to get into theology, because I probably am not qualified, but in the latter case, if God only ensouls those who he knows are going to become full people, why not wait until they're baptized too instead of dooming all those poor baby souls to purgatory.
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States43720 Posts
August 06 2015 19:04 GMT
#43127
On August 07 2015 00:58 farvacola wrote:
Or you could respect the fact that many, many pro choice people are religious too and avoid using childish pejoratives in proving your point. Rights and morals are highly interconnected in any case.

Edit: ticklish is on target.

The argument that you are required to respect the strength of someone's belief, regardless of the nature of that belief, will lead you into some very strange places.
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Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15742 Posts
August 06 2015 19:09 GMT
#43128
On August 07 2015 04:04 KwarK wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 07 2015 00:58 farvacola wrote:
Or you could respect the fact that many, many pro choice people are religious too and avoid using childish pejoratives in proving your point. Rights and morals are highly interconnected in any case.

Edit: ticklish is on target.

The argument that you are required to respect the strength of someone's belief, regardless of the nature of that belief, will lead you into some very strange places.


For examples, see how Europe has been handling Islamic extremists for the past 10 years.
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
August 06 2015 19:12 GMT
#43129
A white Alabama police officer was caught on a secret recording discussing ways to kill a black man and cover it up, it was revealed Tuesday.

The 2013 incident was quietly settled out of court and ended with the officer keeping his job, according to legal documents and interviews with lawyers and officials involved in the case.

The recording, first reported by the Guardian and obtained by NBC News, captures Alexander City Officer Troy Middlebrooks during a May 2013 visit to a home where the suspect, Vincent Bias, was visiting relatives.

At one point, the officer pulls Bias' brother-in-law — who is white — aside and tells him he doesn't trust Bias. Middlebrooks had arrested Bias on drug charges weeks earlier, and seemed to be frustrated that he had made bail.

Middlebrooks tells Bias' brother-in-law, that if he were the suspect's relative, he would "f---ing kill that motherf------" and then arrange the crime scene to "make it look like he was trying to f---ing kill me."

At another point, Middlebrooks tells the brother-in-law that Bias "needs a g--d--- bullet."

The audio was posted on Soundcloud by the Guardian (contains vulgar language).

A month after that incident, Bias' lawyers told the city they intended to sue the city of 14,875 people for $600,000. They drafted a lawsuit that accused Alexander City police of harassing him, and included the contention that Middlebrooks also called Bias the N-word.

Bias' legal notice was passed to the city's insurance company, which arranged a settlement of far smaller amount: $35,000, according to Alexander City's attorney, Larkin Radney.

With that agreement, Bias never sued. The unfiled complaint was obtained by both the Guardian and NBC News.


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Velr
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Switzerland10862 Posts
August 06 2015 19:16 GMT
#43130
On August 07 2015 04:09 Mohdoo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 07 2015 04:04 KwarK wrote:
On August 07 2015 00:58 farvacola wrote:
Or you could respect the fact that many, many pro choice people are religious too and avoid using childish pejoratives in proving your point. Rights and morals are highly interconnected in any case.

Edit: ticklish is on target.

The argument that you are required to respect the strength of someone's belief, regardless of the nature of that belief, will lead you into some very strange places.


For examples, see how Europe has been handling Islamic extremists for the past 10 years.



explain pls
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
August 06 2015 19:19 GMT
#43131
On August 07 2015 04:09 Mohdoo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 07 2015 04:04 KwarK wrote:
On August 07 2015 00:58 farvacola wrote:
Or you could respect the fact that many, many pro choice people are religious too and avoid using childish pejoratives in proving your point. Rights and morals are highly interconnected in any case.

Edit: ticklish is on target.

The argument that you are required to respect the strength of someone's belief, regardless of the nature of that belief, will lead you into some very strange places.


For examples, see how Europe has been handling Islamic extremists for the past 10 years.


Far right parties slowly gaining power?
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States45362 Posts
August 06 2015 19:35 GMT
#43132
Okay guys, time for a serious topic.

The Official GOP Debate Drinking Game Rules

On Thursday, August 6th, in Cleveland, Fox is hosting the first of many debates between candidates for the Republican Party presidential nomination.

Actually there will be two debates. One is for the top 10 poll performers, a list that has now been confirmed to include frontrunner and King of All Media Donald Trump, along with Jeb Bush, Scott Walker, Mike Huckabee, Ben Carson, Ted Cruz, Marco Rubio, Rand Paul, Chris Christie and John Kasich.

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The second tier of seven candidates – what Trump would call "losers" – now includes Rick Santorum, Bobby Jindal, Carly Fiorina, Lindsey Graham, George Pataki and Jim Gilmore. They will be debating at a kiddie table separately from the other candidates, and will reportedly be euthanized by a veterinarian after the event.

Listed below are rules for the GOP debate drinking game. Please do not drink yourself or anyone else to death. The game can be played without Jagermeister, but it's not recommended. I will be live-Tweeting during the event.

Drink THE FIRST TIME:

1. Donald Trump mentions his wealth, or how smart he is.

2. A candidate mentions Benghazi

3. A candidate says, "This president..."

4. A candidate whines about not getting called on enough.

5. Someone promises to "take America back."

6. Trump interrupts someone by saying, "Excuse me, let me answer that…"

7. Anyone mentions Hitler, Nazis or Neville Chamberlain. Includes related imagery, e.g. "ovens."

8. The crowd cheers a racist/bigoted statement by a candidate.

9. A candidate mentions his poor/hardscrabble upbringing, or a parent who "worked every day of his life."

10. A candidate talks about "stopping Hillary Clinton."

11. Anyone warns the U.S. is becoming Greece.

12. Trump refers to himself in the third person.

13. Anyone invokes St. Ronald Reagan.

Drink EVERY time a candidate:

14. Claims a positive relationship with a minority. Also known as the, "Some of my best friends are…" rule.

15. Tries to speak Spanish

16. Tries to warm up to the Ohio crowd with an awkward LeBron shout-out.

Drink EVERY TIME you hear the word(s):

17. "I'm not a scientist."

18. "You can keep your doctor."

19. "ACORN."

20. "The war on Christians."

21. "Thug."

22. "Right here in Ohio."

23. "Culture of dependency."

TAKE A SHOT OF JAGER AT ANY MENTION OF:

24. "Kenya."

25. "All Lives Matter."

~ http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/the-official-gop-debate-drinking-game-rules-20150805

Satirical, but probably true:

Health officials warn that you could die playing GOP debate drinking games: ‘It’s just a formula for disaster’

Public health officials are urging Americans to exercise caution if they choose to participate in “drinking games” during the first Republican primary debate this Thursday in Cleveland, Ohio.

“You simply can’t drink every time one of these guys says something silly,” said Surgeon General Vivek Murthy during a Wednesday morning press conference. “We’ve got three candidates who are prone to gaffes — Jeb Bush, John Kasich and Scott Walker — and then a half-dozen obscure goofballs vying with Donald Trump for a little media attention. It’s just a formula for disaster.”

Murthy suggested that people play a safer variation of the traditional debate drinking game by only consuming alcohol when one of the candidates says something reasonable.

“We’re not saying that people shouldn’t have fun participating in the rotting vestiges of our once-great democracy,” he said. “Just do it responsibly. Instead of, say, shotgunning a beer when Ben Carson compares abortion to a planet-killing meteor wiping out humanity, consider taking a shot if Jeb Bush acknowledges that human activity is contributing to climate change,” he said. “And that drink might even have some therapeutic value when he goes on to argue that we shouldn’t do a damn thing about it.”

According to Dr. Lawrence Goldfarb, a toxicologist at the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, an average man should consume no more than four units of alcohol per day and an average woman should consume no more than three. “So even if you only drank when someone made a dopey, half-baked Neville Chamberlain analogy, you’d still be ingesting potentially dangerous quantities,” said Goldfarb. A “unit” of alcohol equals around 12 ounces of beer, five ounces of wine or 1.5 ounces of 80-proof liquor.

First responders are preparing for a repeat of 2012, when emergency rooms were inundated with a surge of alcohol-related admissions. A study conducted by researchers at the Tufts University School of Medicine estimated that there were 70,000 additional hospitalizations, on average, following each of the 104 “clown car” debates during that election cycle. “That just counts alcohol poisoning and other drug overdoses,” explained Dr. Pritam Baruah, one of the authors of the study. “The numbers don’t include injuries from motor vehicle accidents or people’s misguided attempts to wash their brains out with bleach.”

“The data show that it’s not a clown car at all,” added Baruah. ” It’s a clown bus, and far too many smug liberals are being inadvertently thrown under its wheels by their self-satisfied friends on Twitter.”

Coastal cities and liberal college towns were among the hardest hit. “The last time these guys competed in the marketplace of ideas, it looked like a war-zone in here,” said Jack Murphy, an ER physician at the Ann Arbor Regional Medical Center in Ann Arbor, Mich.

“They brought in one semi-conscious kid — he was maybe 25 — who kept repeating, ‘energy, you idiot!’ over and over again like some kind of slurred mantra,” recalls Murphy. “It wasn’t until we’d pumped his stomach and given him five units of plasma that it became clear that the idiot was former Texas Governor Rick Perry and the Department of Energy was the third agency he’d wanted to shut down.”

“We saved most of them,” Murphy added, looking wistfully around his ER as technicians stocked extra supplies. “But we couldn’t save them all.” There were at least 372 fatalities resulting from alcohol poisoning during the 2012 Republican primaries, according to the Tufts study.

But public health experts warn the threat to public health may be even greater this Thursday because the officially sanctioned primetime debate will be preceded by an earlier forum for seven candidates who didn’t have enough support in the polls to qualify for the main event. “You’re looking at a solid, five-hour block of wingnuttery that starts right smack in the middle of happy hour on the East Coast,” said Murphy. “We’re certainly preparing for the worst.”

They also pointed to the potential for higher numbers of admissions due to expanded health insurance coverage under Obamacare.

At the iconic Townhouse Tavern in Washington, DC — believed to be the birthplace of the progressive “Netroots” movement — bartender Rex “Tweety” Matthews was also expecting a raucous night. “Hell, they’re calling the first debate the ‘kids’ table’,” he said. “How can any progressive resist knocking back a few and exchanging some totally inappropriate Josh Duggar jokes even before the evening really gets started?”

The primetime debate will be broadcast on Fox News at 9 p.m. EDT. Bret Baier, Megyn Kelly and Chris Wallace will moderate. The “kids’ table” debate starts at 5 p.m. EDT, and will be moderated by Bill “Eddie Haskell” Hemmer and Martha MacCallum.

~ http://www.rawstory.com/2015/08/health-officials-warn-that-you-could-die-playing-gop-debate-drinking-games-its-a-formula-for-disaster/#.VcNh4qpuF79.facebook

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MoltkeWarding
Profile Joined November 2003
5195 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-08-06 19:46:23
August 06 2015 19:41 GMT
#43133
You are required to respect someone else's beliefs because you are usually the person who is wrong. Good manners work in the arena of the intellect as well in other areas of life.

However, if you are very desperate, and do not have to directly face the people you despise, you can always pull a oneofthem and become right merely by wasting all your time imagining people even more wrong than yourself. It has the same entertainment factor as that which leads tens of millions of lower-middle class people in the United States to be glued to talk shows depicting the escapades of the lower-lower class.
Yoav
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1874 Posts
August 06 2015 19:42 GMT
#43134
On August 07 2015 03:51 Acrofales wrote:
Not to get into theology, because I probably am not qualified, but in the latter case, if God only ensouls those who he knows are going to become full people, why not wait until they're baptized too instead of dooming all those poor baby souls to purgatory.


Protestants don't actually believe in purgatory. Catholic ideas on this seem silly to me, but they're less hot on predestination-based theology, so they do what they can.
whatisthisasheep
Profile Joined April 2015
624 Posts
August 06 2015 20:09 GMT
#43135
On August 07 2015 04:35 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Okay guys, time for a serious topic.

Show nested quote +
The Official GOP Debate Drinking Game Rules

On Thursday, August 6th, in Cleveland, Fox is hosting the first of many debates between candidates for the Republican Party presidential nomination.

Actually there will be two debates. One is for the top 10 poll performers, a list that has now been confirmed to include frontrunner and King of All Media Donald Trump, along with Jeb Bush, Scott Walker, Mike Huckabee, Ben Carson, Ted Cruz, Marco Rubio, Rand Paul, Chris Christie and John Kasich.

SIDEBAR
Donald Trump In the Age of Trump, Will Democrats Sell Out More, Or Less? »
The second tier of seven candidates – what Trump would call "losers" – now includes Rick Santorum, Bobby Jindal, Carly Fiorina, Lindsey Graham, George Pataki and Jim Gilmore. They will be debating at a kiddie table separately from the other candidates, and will reportedly be euthanized by a veterinarian after the event.

Listed below are rules for the GOP debate drinking game. Please do not drink yourself or anyone else to death. The game can be played without Jagermeister, but it's not recommended. I will be live-Tweeting during the event.

Drink THE FIRST TIME:

1. Donald Trump mentions his wealth, or how smart he is.

2. A candidate mentions Benghazi

3. A candidate says, "This president..."

4. A candidate whines about not getting called on enough.

5. Someone promises to "take America back."

6. Trump interrupts someone by saying, "Excuse me, let me answer that…"

7. Anyone mentions Hitler, Nazis or Neville Chamberlain. Includes related imagery, e.g. "ovens."

8. The crowd cheers a racist/bigoted statement by a candidate.

9. A candidate mentions his poor/hardscrabble upbringing, or a parent who "worked every day of his life."

10. A candidate talks about "stopping Hillary Clinton."

11. Anyone warns the U.S. is becoming Greece.

12. Trump refers to himself in the third person.

13. Anyone invokes St. Ronald Reagan.

Drink EVERY time a candidate:

14. Claims a positive relationship with a minority. Also known as the, "Some of my best friends are…" rule.

15. Tries to speak Spanish

16. Tries to warm up to the Ohio crowd with an awkward LeBron shout-out.

Drink EVERY TIME you hear the word(s):

17. "I'm not a scientist."

18. "You can keep your doctor."

19. "ACORN."

20. "The war on Christians."

21. "Thug."

22. "Right here in Ohio."

23. "Culture of dependency."

TAKE A SHOT OF JAGER AT ANY MENTION OF:

24. "Kenya."

25. "All Lives Matter."

~ http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/the-official-gop-debate-drinking-game-rules-20150805

Satirical, but probably true:

Show nested quote +
Health officials warn that you could die playing GOP debate drinking games: ‘It’s just a formula for disaster’

Public health officials are urging Americans to exercise caution if they choose to participate in “drinking games” during the first Republican primary debate this Thursday in Cleveland, Ohio.

“You simply can’t drink every time one of these guys says something silly,” said Surgeon General Vivek Murthy during a Wednesday morning press conference. “We’ve got three candidates who are prone to gaffes — Jeb Bush, John Kasich and Scott Walker — and then a half-dozen obscure goofballs vying with Donald Trump for a little media attention. It’s just a formula for disaster.”

Murthy suggested that people play a safer variation of the traditional debate drinking game by only consuming alcohol when one of the candidates says something reasonable.

“We’re not saying that people shouldn’t have fun participating in the rotting vestiges of our once-great democracy,” he said. “Just do it responsibly. Instead of, say, shotgunning a beer when Ben Carson compares abortion to a planet-killing meteor wiping out humanity, consider taking a shot if Jeb Bush acknowledges that human activity is contributing to climate change,” he said. “And that drink might even have some therapeutic value when he goes on to argue that we shouldn’t do a damn thing about it.”

According to Dr. Lawrence Goldfarb, a toxicologist at the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, an average man should consume no more than four units of alcohol per day and an average woman should consume no more than three. “So even if you only drank when someone made a dopey, half-baked Neville Chamberlain analogy, you’d still be ingesting potentially dangerous quantities,” said Goldfarb. A “unit” of alcohol equals around 12 ounces of beer, five ounces of wine or 1.5 ounces of 80-proof liquor.

First responders are preparing for a repeat of 2012, when emergency rooms were inundated with a surge of alcohol-related admissions. A study conducted by researchers at the Tufts University School of Medicine estimated that there were 70,000 additional hospitalizations, on average, following each of the 104 “clown car” debates during that election cycle. “That just counts alcohol poisoning and other drug overdoses,” explained Dr. Pritam Baruah, one of the authors of the study. “The numbers don’t include injuries from motor vehicle accidents or people’s misguided attempts to wash their brains out with bleach.”

“The data show that it’s not a clown car at all,” added Baruah. ” It’s a clown bus, and far too many smug liberals are being inadvertently thrown under its wheels by their self-satisfied friends on Twitter.”

Coastal cities and liberal college towns were among the hardest hit. “The last time these guys competed in the marketplace of ideas, it looked like a war-zone in here,” said Jack Murphy, an ER physician at the Ann Arbor Regional Medical Center in Ann Arbor, Mich.

“They brought in one semi-conscious kid — he was maybe 25 — who kept repeating, ‘energy, you idiot!’ over and over again like some kind of slurred mantra,” recalls Murphy. “It wasn’t until we’d pumped his stomach and given him five units of plasma that it became clear that the idiot was former Texas Governor Rick Perry and the Department of Energy was the third agency he’d wanted to shut down.”

“We saved most of them,” Murphy added, looking wistfully around his ER as technicians stocked extra supplies. “But we couldn’t save them all.” There were at least 372 fatalities resulting from alcohol poisoning during the 2012 Republican primaries, according to the Tufts study.

But public health experts warn the threat to public health may be even greater this Thursday because the officially sanctioned primetime debate will be preceded by an earlier forum for seven candidates who didn’t have enough support in the polls to qualify for the main event. “You’re looking at a solid, five-hour block of wingnuttery that starts right smack in the middle of happy hour on the East Coast,” said Murphy. “We’re certainly preparing for the worst.”

They also pointed to the potential for higher numbers of admissions due to expanded health insurance coverage under Obamacare.

At the iconic Townhouse Tavern in Washington, DC — believed to be the birthplace of the progressive “Netroots” movement — bartender Rex “Tweety” Matthews was also expecting a raucous night. “Hell, they’re calling the first debate the ‘kids’ table’,” he said. “How can any progressive resist knocking back a few and exchanging some totally inappropriate Josh Duggar jokes even before the evening really gets started?”

The primetime debate will be broadcast on Fox News at 9 p.m. EDT. Bret Baier, Megyn Kelly and Chris Wallace will moderate. The “kids’ table” debate starts at 5 p.m. EDT, and will be moderated by Bill “Eddie Haskell” Hemmer and Martha MacCallum.

~ http://www.rawstory.com/2015/08/health-officials-warn-that-you-could-die-playing-gop-debate-drinking-games-its-a-formula-for-disaster/#.VcNh4qpuF79.facebook

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Also take a shot whenever someone calls Ben Carson black
Please help me get in contact with the Pats organization because I'd love to personally deflate Tom's balls.
MoltkeWarding
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5195 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-08-06 20:35:56
August 06 2015 20:15 GMT
#43136
On August 07 2015 04:42 Yoav wrote:
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On August 07 2015 03:51 Acrofales wrote:
Not to get into theology, because I probably am not qualified, but in the latter case, if God only ensouls those who he knows are going to become full people, why not wait until they're baptized too instead of dooming all those poor baby souls to purgatory.


Protestants don't actually believe in purgatory. Catholic ideas on this seem silly to me, but they're less hot on predestination-based theology, so they do what they can.


The Leipzig Disputation left Luther in some embarrassment on the subject of purgatory, since the Catholic disputant, Johannes Eck got the better of him on that subject. Luther, one has the feeling, disliked the doctrine of purgatory, without being able to outright deny it. Central to his conviction was that prayer for the deceased was ineffective due to its conflict with the absolutism of grace.

if God only ensouls those who he knows are going to become full people, why not wait until they're baptized too instead of dooming all those poor baby souls to purgatory


Only ensouling the blessed would make the entire act of creation pointless, would it not?
jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
August 06 2015 20:57 GMT
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Okay guys, time for a serious topic.

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The Official GOP Debate Drinking Game Rules

On Thursday, August 6th, in Cleveland, Fox is hosting the first of many debates between candidates for the Republican Party presidential nomination.

Actually there will be two debates. One is for the top 10 poll performers, a list that has now been confirmed to include frontrunner and King of All Media Donald Trump, along with Jeb Bush, Scott Walker, Mike Huckabee, Ben Carson, Ted Cruz, Marco Rubio, Rand Paul, Chris Christie and John Kasich.

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The second tier of seven candidates – what Trump would call "losers" – now includes Rick Santorum, Bobby Jindal, Carly Fiorina, Lindsey Graham, George Pataki and Jim Gilmore. They will be debating at a kiddie table separately from the other candidates, and will reportedly be euthanized by a veterinarian after the event.

Listed below are rules for the GOP debate drinking game. Please do not drink yourself or anyone else to death. The game can be played without Jagermeister, but it's not recommended. I will be live-Tweeting during the event.

Drink THE FIRST TIME:

1. Donald Trump mentions his wealth, or how smart he is.

2. A candidate mentions Benghazi

3. A candidate says, "This president..."

4. A candidate whines about not getting called on enough.

5. Someone promises to "take America back."

6. Trump interrupts someone by saying, "Excuse me, let me answer that…"

7. Anyone mentions Hitler, Nazis or Neville Chamberlain. Includes related imagery, e.g. "ovens."

8. The crowd cheers a racist/bigoted statement by a candidate.

9. A candidate mentions his poor/hardscrabble upbringing, or a parent who "worked every day of his life."

10. A candidate talks about "stopping Hillary Clinton."

11. Anyone warns the U.S. is becoming Greece.

12. Trump refers to himself in the third person.

13. Anyone invokes St. Ronald Reagan.

Drink EVERY time a candidate:

14. Claims a positive relationship with a minority. Also known as the, "Some of my best friends are…" rule.

15. Tries to speak Spanish

16. Tries to warm up to the Ohio crowd with an awkward LeBron shout-out.

Drink EVERY TIME you hear the word(s):

17. "I'm not a scientist."

18. "You can keep your doctor."

19. "ACORN."

20. "The war on Christians."

21. "Thug."

22. "Right here in Ohio."

23. "Culture of dependency."

TAKE A SHOT OF JAGER AT ANY MENTION OF:

24. "Kenya."

25. "All Lives Matter."

~ http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/the-official-gop-debate-drinking-game-rules-20150805

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Health officials warn that you could die playing GOP debate drinking games: ‘It’s just a formula for disaster’

Public health officials are urging Americans to exercise caution if they choose to participate in “drinking games” during the first Republican primary debate this Thursday in Cleveland, Ohio.

“You simply can’t drink every time one of these guys says something silly,” said Surgeon General Vivek Murthy during a Wednesday morning press conference. “We’ve got three candidates who are prone to gaffes — Jeb Bush, John Kasich and Scott Walker — and then a half-dozen obscure goofballs vying with Donald Trump for a little media attention. It’s just a formula for disaster.”

Murthy suggested that people play a safer variation of the traditional debate drinking game by only consuming alcohol when one of the candidates says something reasonable.

“We’re not saying that people shouldn’t have fun participating in the rotting vestiges of our once-great democracy,” he said. “Just do it responsibly. Instead of, say, shotgunning a beer when Ben Carson compares abortion to a planet-killing meteor wiping out humanity, consider taking a shot if Jeb Bush acknowledges that human activity is contributing to climate change,” he said. “And that drink might even have some therapeutic value when he goes on to argue that we shouldn’t do a damn thing about it.”

According to Dr. Lawrence Goldfarb, a toxicologist at the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, an average man should consume no more than four units of alcohol per day and an average woman should consume no more than three. “So even if you only drank when someone made a dopey, half-baked Neville Chamberlain analogy, you’d still be ingesting potentially dangerous quantities,” said Goldfarb. A “unit” of alcohol equals around 12 ounces of beer, five ounces of wine or 1.5 ounces of 80-proof liquor.

First responders are preparing for a repeat of 2012, when emergency rooms were inundated with a surge of alcohol-related admissions. A study conducted by researchers at the Tufts University School of Medicine estimated that there were 70,000 additional hospitalizations, on average, following each of the 104 “clown car” debates during that election cycle. “That just counts alcohol poisoning and other drug overdoses,” explained Dr. Pritam Baruah, one of the authors of the study. “The numbers don’t include injuries from motor vehicle accidents or people’s misguided attempts to wash their brains out with bleach.”

“The data show that it’s not a clown car at all,” added Baruah. ” It’s a clown bus, and far too many smug liberals are being inadvertently thrown under its wheels by their self-satisfied friends on Twitter.”

Coastal cities and liberal college towns were among the hardest hit. “The last time these guys competed in the marketplace of ideas, it looked like a war-zone in here,” said Jack Murphy, an ER physician at the Ann Arbor Regional Medical Center in Ann Arbor, Mich.

“They brought in one semi-conscious kid — he was maybe 25 — who kept repeating, ‘energy, you idiot!’ over and over again like some kind of slurred mantra,” recalls Murphy. “It wasn’t until we’d pumped his stomach and given him five units of plasma that it became clear that the idiot was former Texas Governor Rick Perry and the Department of Energy was the third agency he’d wanted to shut down.”

“We saved most of them,” Murphy added, looking wistfully around his ER as technicians stocked extra supplies. “But we couldn’t save them all.” There were at least 372 fatalities resulting from alcohol poisoning during the 2012 Republican primaries, according to the Tufts study.

But public health experts warn the threat to public health may be even greater this Thursday because the officially sanctioned primetime debate will be preceded by an earlier forum for seven candidates who didn’t have enough support in the polls to qualify for the main event. “You’re looking at a solid, five-hour block of wingnuttery that starts right smack in the middle of happy hour on the East Coast,” said Murphy. “We’re certainly preparing for the worst.”

They also pointed to the potential for higher numbers of admissions due to expanded health insurance coverage under Obamacare.

At the iconic Townhouse Tavern in Washington, DC — believed to be the birthplace of the progressive “Netroots” movement — bartender Rex “Tweety” Matthews was also expecting a raucous night. “Hell, they’re calling the first debate the ‘kids’ table’,” he said. “How can any progressive resist knocking back a few and exchanging some totally inappropriate Josh Duggar jokes even before the evening really gets started?”

The primetime debate will be broadcast on Fox News at 9 p.m. EDT. Bret Baier, Megyn Kelly and Chris Wallace will moderate. The “kids’ table” debate starts at 5 p.m. EDT, and will be moderated by Bill “Eddie Haskell” Hemmer and Martha MacCallum.

~ http://www.rawstory.com/2015/08/health-officials-warn-that-you-could-die-playing-gop-debate-drinking-games-its-a-formula-for-disaster/#.VcNh4qpuF79.facebook

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ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
August 06 2015 22:03 GMT
#43138
https://twitter.com/nytpolitics/status/629403548623634432/photo/1

No one showed up to the not-top-10 debate
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farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18855 Posts
August 06 2015 22:09 GMT
#43139
On August 07 2015 04:04 KwarK wrote:
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On August 07 2015 00:58 farvacola wrote:
Or you could respect the fact that many, many pro choice people are religious too and avoid using childish pejoratives in proving your point. Rights and morals are highly interconnected in any case.

Edit: ticklish is on target.

The argument that you are required to respect the strength of someone's belief, regardless of the nature of that belief, will lead you into some very strange places.

That's not the argument; the argument is that diplomatic language is an important component of consensus building, and building consensus among both religious and non-religious pro-choicers is a good thing. That's all.
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
August 06 2015 22:10 GMT
#43140
I find it hilarious whenever pro-choice folks try to justify the morality of abortion. Good policy or not, there is nothing even remotely moral about having an abortion.
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