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ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
August 07 2015 01:13 GMT
#43161
Trump with the best answer by far to the first q
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OuchyDathurts
Profile Joined September 2010
United States4588 Posts
August 07 2015 01:14 GMT
#43162
Has anyone in the history of man ever had a more punchable face than Ted Cruz?
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Yoav
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1874 Posts
August 07 2015 01:14 GMT
#43163
On August 07 2015 07:49 KwarK wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 07 2015 07:40 Yoav wrote:
On August 07 2015 07:17 KwarK wrote:Amazingly enough the bible actually makes a distinction between the value of a human life and the value of an unborn human, which it judges as being lower. But for those of us who don't rely upon the judgements of stone age Jews for morality, which includes both people like myself and also the entire pro-life lobby, that's not really relevant.
...
Exodus 21:22 states that causing a woman to have a miscarriage is not treated as murder. Instead the father of the unborn will exact a price from the party that caused the miscarriage which has to be approved as reasonable by the judges.


You're right on the point from Hebrew Law, and you even nod at the fact that Christians don't use it as the source of moral instruction except insofar as it contrasts with other contemporary codes. But let's try to be a little accurate on the history. The oldest parts of Hebrew Law are bronze age, so "stone age" is off by a good few millennia.

You're assuming there is no oral history predating the Bible. Given that the Bible goes back all the way to the foundation of the earth 7000 years ago that's a little silly. There had to be oral history predating the written Bible and it had to go all the way back through the stone age because otherwise how would the bronze age people have known about the creation of the earth? We know they lived for hundreds of years but even so none of them lived long enough to remember about creation.


I'm assuming no such thing. Just saying that you can't dismiss Hebrew ideas as "stone age" because that's a gross oversimplification of the history.
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
August 07 2015 01:17 GMT
#43164
In comes the attacks on Planned Parenthood.
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands22372 Posts
August 07 2015 01:20 GMT
#43165
On August 07 2015 10:14 Yoav wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 07 2015 07:49 KwarK wrote:
On August 07 2015 07:40 Yoav wrote:
On August 07 2015 07:17 KwarK wrote:Amazingly enough the bible actually makes a distinction between the value of a human life and the value of an unborn human, which it judges as being lower. But for those of us who don't rely upon the judgements of stone age Jews for morality, which includes both people like myself and also the entire pro-life lobby, that's not really relevant.
...
Exodus 21:22 states that causing a woman to have a miscarriage is not treated as murder. Instead the father of the unborn will exact a price from the party that caused the miscarriage which has to be approved as reasonable by the judges.


You're right on the point from Hebrew Law, and you even nod at the fact that Christians don't use it as the source of moral instruction except insofar as it contrasts with other contemporary codes. But let's try to be a little accurate on the history. The oldest parts of Hebrew Law are bronze age, so "stone age" is off by a good few millennia.

You're assuming there is no oral history predating the Bible. Given that the Bible goes back all the way to the foundation of the earth 7000 years ago that's a little silly. There had to be oral history predating the written Bible and it had to go all the way back through the stone age because otherwise how would the bronze age people have known about the creation of the earth? We know they lived for hundreds of years but even so none of them lived long enough to remember about creation.


I'm assuming no such thing. Just saying that you can't dismiss Hebrew ideas as "stone age" because that's a gross oversimplification of the history.

Either the bible is real or its not.
If its not real then its no more a guide for morality then the Ikea catalog.
If it is real then God surely told people how to live before the bronze age. And God being all knowing he is unlikely to change his world views on a regular basis, therefor making it a reasonable assumption that they are indeed 'Stone Age' idea's.
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
On_Slaught
Profile Joined August 2008
United States12190 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-08-07 01:22:23
August 07 2015 01:21 GMT
#43166
On August 07 2015 10:13 ticklishmusic wrote:
Trump with the best answer by far to the first q


Is this a joke? Sure it's entertaining, but when you really look at what he's saying, it's disgraceful. Sure, it's possible to be too politically correct, but what about a little bit of civility? This isn't about not being politically correct. It's about being a bully.

Also, isn't Huckabee a creationist? Citing DNA and empirical evidence is pretty ironic.

{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
August 07 2015 01:21 GMT
#43167
Good answer from Paul on ISIS. Kasich very good answer on his choice to expand Medicaid.
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-08-07 01:25:02
August 07 2015 01:24 GMT
#43168
On August 07 2015 10:21 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Good answer from Paul on ISIS. Kasich very good answer on his choice to expand Medicaid.

Meh, it was factually incorrect. Kasich I mean
Freeeeeeedom
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
August 07 2015 01:25 GMT
#43169
Two groups of candidates on the stage today: those with ideas (and look presidential-ish), and those who just attack random people and things.
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Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18291 Posts
August 07 2015 01:26 GMT
#43170
So... the Fox News website sucks, and the stream won´t open (clicking the video opens another tab, in which I can click on the video, which opens another tab, in which I can... you get it).

Are there any other streams?
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
August 07 2015 01:26 GMT
#43171
It seems Fox is desperate to deflate Trump, doesn't seem to be working.
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Grettin
Profile Joined April 2010
42400 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-08-07 01:32:39
August 07 2015 01:27 GMT
#43172
I'm watching here due to georestrictions. (took the link down)

Not the greatest quality, but i can manage.
"If I had force-fields in Brood War, I'd never lose." -Bisu
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States23956 Posts
August 07 2015 01:30 GMT
#43173
On August 07 2015 10:26 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
It seems Fox is desperate to deflate Trump, doesn't seem to be working.


How they didn't see that coming I don't know. Having people to boo him in the crowd won't be enough.

If he makes it out without calling Kelly a 'dumb slut" or something I predict a 5 point bump.
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
On_Slaught
Profile Joined August 2008
United States12190 Posts
August 07 2015 01:31 GMT
#43174
On August 07 2015 10:26 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
It seems Fox is desperate to deflate Trump, doesn't seem to be working.


Can't really blame them considering he is basically blackmailing the Republican party at this point.
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
August 07 2015 01:32 GMT
#43175
Kasich is scared of attacking Trump, bu his answer wasn't terrible.
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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
August 07 2015 01:32 GMT
#43176
Is it safe to say that John Kasich is the Huntsman of 2016?
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18291 Posts
August 07 2015 01:32 GMT
#43177
On August 07 2015 10:27 Grettin wrote:
I'm watching here due to georestrictions. http://zunox.hk/zunox4.html

Not the greatest quality, but i can manage.

Thanks. That works.
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States23956 Posts
August 07 2015 01:32 GMT
#43178
On August 07 2015 10:32 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Is it safe to say that John Kasich is the Huntsman of 2016?


that pretty much nails it.
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
August 07 2015 01:33 GMT
#43179
On August 07 2015 10:32 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Is it safe to say that John Kasich is the Huntsman of 2016?


A non shitty guy with real accomplishments and the ability to execute a reasonable agenda who will never be elected?
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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
August 07 2015 01:34 GMT
#43180
Rubio just gave credence to Trump with that answer, all Trump has to do is say Mexico allows them to come to the US instead of staying there or sending them home.
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
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