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On June 19 2015 02:30 Danglars wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2015 00:30 ZasZ. wrote:
So based on what he was reported to say before the shooting as well as that Facebook photo, it will be hard for the right to spin away from the white supremacist angle here. People who say racism isn't a problem in this country, or even doesn't exist, have never been to the American south. Confederate flags proudly on display almost everywhere, but they will point to this and say it is an isolated outburst by a hateful individual. He's only 21, his family, friends, and the culture around him taught him to think this way, and you can hardly call it isolated. The hell you mean? You'll have to do much better than than this, like this country routinely produces young men with bowl haircuts that gun down innocent blacks. You're the cultural warrior equivalent of the leftist nut that calls every warm day just a sad consequence of the surrounding global warming that caused it. Maybe you'll also find sympathy with some legalization advocate that says his prior drug arrest led to the deaths.
What are you trying to say?
On June 19 2015 02:35 heliusx wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2015 14:54 Yoav wrote:On June 18 2015 11:05 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On June 18 2015 08:54 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:GOP presidential hopeful Jeb Bush criticized Pope Francis on Tuesday after a draft of his encyclical on climate change was leaked by an Italian newspaper.
In the leaked draft, the pope attributes "the majority of the global warming in recent decades" to human activity.
During a town hall event in New Hampshire, Bush said he thinks religion "ought to be about making us better as people and less about things that end up getting into the political realm."
“I hope I’m not going to get castigated for saying this by my priest back home, but I don’t get economic policy from my bishops or my cardinals or my pope,” Bush said, according to the New York Times. “And I'd like to see what he says as it relates to climate change and how that connects to these broader, deeper issues before I pass judgment."
Other Republicans came out against the pope after he first spoke on climate change in January.
"I don't know if it is all [man's fault] but the majority is, for the most part, it is man who continuously slaps down nature," the pope said, according to Reuters.
Former Sen. Rick Santorum (R-Pa.) told a radio station earlier this month the church shouldn't weigh in on scientific matters. Source That awkward moment when the Catholic Church is more pro-science than presidential candidates. Yeah, except the Catholic Church has been pro-evolution since forever, so that alone puts them ahead of a huge slice of presidential candidates. Also, generally pro-environment, whatever that counts for. What makes you think that? Having grown up in the catholic church that is new to me.
Pretty sure they (the pope) came out in the 90's as saying evolution and the bible weren't mutually exclusive. Of course as is being shown not every church took up the notion equally.
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On June 19 2015 00:30 ZasZ. wrote:
So based on what he was reported to say before the shooting as well as that Facebook photo, it will be hard for the right to spin away from the white supremacist angle here. People who say racism isn't a problem in this country, or even doesn't exist, have never been to the American south. Confederate flags proudly on display almost everywhere, but they will point to this and say it is an isolated outburst by a hateful individual. He's only 21, his family, friends, and the culture around him taught him to think this way, and you can hardly call it isolated.
What? I feel like either that's not true or I live in some strange region of the south where that doesn't happen at all.
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On June 19 2015 02:37 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2015 02:30 Danglars wrote:On June 19 2015 00:30 ZasZ. wrote:
So based on what he was reported to say before the shooting as well as that Facebook photo, it will be hard for the right to spin away from the white supremacist angle here. People who say racism isn't a problem in this country, or even doesn't exist, have never been to the American south. Confederate flags proudly on display almost everywhere, but they will point to this and say it is an isolated outburst by a hateful individual. He's only 21, his family, friends, and the culture around him taught him to think this way, and you can hardly call it isolated. The hell you mean? You'll have to do much better than than this, like this country routinely produces young men with bowl haircuts that gun down innocent blacks. You're the cultural warrior equivalent of the leftist nut that calls every warm day just a sad consequence of the surrounding global warming that caused it. Maybe you'll also find sympathy with some legalization advocate that says his prior drug arrest led to the deaths. What are you trying to say? Show nested quote +On June 19 2015 02:35 heliusx wrote:On June 18 2015 14:54 Yoav wrote:On June 18 2015 11:05 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On June 18 2015 08:54 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:GOP presidential hopeful Jeb Bush criticized Pope Francis on Tuesday after a draft of his encyclical on climate change was leaked by an Italian newspaper.
In the leaked draft, the pope attributes "the majority of the global warming in recent decades" to human activity.
During a town hall event in New Hampshire, Bush said he thinks religion "ought to be about making us better as people and less about things that end up getting into the political realm."
“I hope I’m not going to get castigated for saying this by my priest back home, but I don’t get economic policy from my bishops or my cardinals or my pope,” Bush said, according to the New York Times. “And I'd like to see what he says as it relates to climate change and how that connects to these broader, deeper issues before I pass judgment."
Other Republicans came out against the pope after he first spoke on climate change in January.
"I don't know if it is all [man's fault] but the majority is, for the most part, it is man who continuously slaps down nature," the pope said, according to Reuters.
Former Sen. Rick Santorum (R-Pa.) told a radio station earlier this month the church shouldn't weigh in on scientific matters. Source That awkward moment when the Catholic Church is more pro-science than presidential candidates. Yeah, except the Catholic Church has been pro-evolution since forever, so that alone puts them ahead of a huge slice of presidential candidates. Also, generally pro-environment, whatever that counts for. What makes you think that? Having grown up in the catholic church that is new to me. Pretty sure they (the pope) came out in the 90's as saying evolution and the bible weren't mutually exclusive. Of course as is being shown not every church took up the notion equally.
Yeah I'm aware of statements and positions taken by men in the vatican but having spent 18 years in that crazy I don't recall ever hearing anything pro-evolution at all, quite the opposite. Although my family are not Irish Catholic so maybe they are different.
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A profile photo taken from a Facebook page thought to belong to the FBI’s now-captured suspect the killing of nine people at a black church in Charleston, South Carolina, offers the strongest clue yet as to what might have been his motivation. The photo, thought to be of Dylann Storm Roof, shows a young man wearing a black fleece jacket. Affixed to the right breast are two flags, one for apartheid-era South Africa, and another for the former colony of Rhodesia, which is now known as Zimbabwe.
The short-lived state of Rhodesia, which was never recognized internationally, is closely identified with white supremacy. It was born in 1965 when the predominantly white government of what was then known as the British colony of South Rhodesia refused to transition to black majority rule on the eve of independence.
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In case people didn't recognize the flags he was wearing.
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On June 19 2015 02:44 heliusx wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2015 02:37 GreenHorizons wrote:On June 19 2015 02:30 Danglars wrote:On June 19 2015 00:30 ZasZ. wrote:
So based on what he was reported to say before the shooting as well as that Facebook photo, it will be hard for the right to spin away from the white supremacist angle here. People who say racism isn't a problem in this country, or even doesn't exist, have never been to the American south. Confederate flags proudly on display almost everywhere, but they will point to this and say it is an isolated outburst by a hateful individual. He's only 21, his family, friends, and the culture around him taught him to think this way, and you can hardly call it isolated. The hell you mean? You'll have to do much better than than this, like this country routinely produces young men with bowl haircuts that gun down innocent blacks. You're the cultural warrior equivalent of the leftist nut that calls every warm day just a sad consequence of the surrounding global warming that caused it. Maybe you'll also find sympathy with some legalization advocate that says his prior drug arrest led to the deaths. What are you trying to say? On June 19 2015 02:35 heliusx wrote:On June 18 2015 14:54 Yoav wrote:On June 18 2015 11:05 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On June 18 2015 08:54 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:GOP presidential hopeful Jeb Bush criticized Pope Francis on Tuesday after a draft of his encyclical on climate change was leaked by an Italian newspaper.
In the leaked draft, the pope attributes "the majority of the global warming in recent decades" to human activity.
During a town hall event in New Hampshire, Bush said he thinks religion "ought to be about making us better as people and less about things that end up getting into the political realm."
“I hope I’m not going to get castigated for saying this by my priest back home, but I don’t get economic policy from my bishops or my cardinals or my pope,” Bush said, according to the New York Times. “And I'd like to see what he says as it relates to climate change and how that connects to these broader, deeper issues before I pass judgment."
Other Republicans came out against the pope after he first spoke on climate change in January.
"I don't know if it is all [man's fault] but the majority is, for the most part, it is man who continuously slaps down nature," the pope said, according to Reuters.
Former Sen. Rick Santorum (R-Pa.) told a radio station earlier this month the church shouldn't weigh in on scientific matters. Source That awkward moment when the Catholic Church is more pro-science than presidential candidates. Yeah, except the Catholic Church has been pro-evolution since forever, so that alone puts them ahead of a huge slice of presidential candidates. Also, generally pro-environment, whatever that counts for. What makes you think that? Having grown up in the catholic church that is new to me. Pretty sure they (the pope) came out in the 90's as saying evolution and the bible weren't mutually exclusive. Of course as is being shown not every church took up the notion equally. Yeah I'm aware of statements and positions taken by men in the vatican but having spent 18 years in that crazy I don't recall ever hearing anything pro-evolution at all, quite the opposite. Although my family are not Irish Catholic so maybe they are different.
https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Catholic_Church_and_evolution
Sorry for linking Wiki, but it's the easiest source I got...
In the 1950 encyclical Humani generis, Pope Pius XII confirmed that there is no intrinsic conflict between Christianity and the theory of evolution, provided that Christians believe that the individual soul is a direct creation by God and not the product of purely material forces.
Pope John Paul II
"In his encyclical Humani generis (1950), my predecessor Pius XII has already affirmed that there is no conflict between evolution and the doctrine of the faith regarding man and his vocation, provided that we do not lose sight of certain fixed points.... Today, more than a half-century after the appearance of that encyclical, some new findings lead us toward the recognition of evolution as more than a hypothesis. In fact it is remarkable that this theory has had progressively greater influence on the spirit of researchers, following a series of discoveries in different scholarly disciplines. The convergence in the results of these independent studies—which was neither planned nor sought—constitutes in itself a significant argument in favor of the theory."
Pope Benedict XVI
According to the widely accepted scientific account, the universe erupted 15 billion years ago in an explosion called the 'Big Bang' and has been expanding and cooling ever since. Later there gradually emerged the conditions necessary for the formation of atoms, still later the condensation of galaxies and stars, and about 10 billion years later the formation of planets. In our own solar system and on earth (formed about 4.5 billion years ago), the conditions have been favorable to the emergence of life. While there is little consensus among scientists about how the origin of this first microscopic life is to be explained, there is general agreement among them that the first organism dwelt on this planet about 3.5–4 billion years ago. Since it has been demonstrated that all living organisms on earth are genetically related, it is virtually certain that all living organisms have descended from this first organism. Converging evidence from many studies in the physical and biological sciences furnishes mounting support for some theory of evolution to account for the development and diversification of life on earth, while controversy continues over the pace and mechanisms of evolution.
As far as I can tell, they disagree with any attempts by scientists to define the soul, and they prefer the concept that their God created everything - including evolution, but they don't disagree with evolution.
To which I think there is a discernable rift between American Catholicism and Catholicism outside of the United States.
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On June 19 2015 02:46 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +A profile photo taken from a Facebook page thought to belong to the FBI’s now-captured suspect the killing of nine people at a black church in Charleston, South Carolina, offers the strongest clue yet as to what might have been his motivation. The photo, thought to be of Dylann Storm Roof, shows a young man wearing a black fleece jacket. Affixed to the right breast are two flags, one for apartheid-era South Africa, and another for the former colony of Rhodesia, which is now known as Zimbabwe.
The short-lived state of Rhodesia, which was never recognized internationally, is closely identified with white supremacy. It was born in 1965 when the predominantly white government of what was then known as the British colony of South Rhodesia refused to transition to black majority rule on the eve of independence. SourceIn case people didn't recognize the flags he was wearing.
I am sure we are going to find out a lot about who this guy is and what enlightened communities he is part of. Because its very hard to become a racist of this level on your own.
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On June 19 2015 02:51 JinDesu wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2015 02:44 heliusx wrote:On June 19 2015 02:37 GreenHorizons wrote:On June 19 2015 02:30 Danglars wrote:On June 19 2015 00:30 ZasZ. wrote:
So based on what he was reported to say before the shooting as well as that Facebook photo, it will be hard for the right to spin away from the white supremacist angle here. People who say racism isn't a problem in this country, or even doesn't exist, have never been to the American south. Confederate flags proudly on display almost everywhere, but they will point to this and say it is an isolated outburst by a hateful individual. He's only 21, his family, friends, and the culture around him taught him to think this way, and you can hardly call it isolated. The hell you mean? You'll have to do much better than than this, like this country routinely produces young men with bowl haircuts that gun down innocent blacks. You're the cultural warrior equivalent of the leftist nut that calls every warm day just a sad consequence of the surrounding global warming that caused it. Maybe you'll also find sympathy with some legalization advocate that says his prior drug arrest led to the deaths. What are you trying to say? On June 19 2015 02:35 heliusx wrote:On June 18 2015 14:54 Yoav wrote:On June 18 2015 11:05 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On June 18 2015 08:54 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:GOP presidential hopeful Jeb Bush criticized Pope Francis on Tuesday after a draft of his encyclical on climate change was leaked by an Italian newspaper.
In the leaked draft, the pope attributes "the majority of the global warming in recent decades" to human activity.
During a town hall event in New Hampshire, Bush said he thinks religion "ought to be about making us better as people and less about things that end up getting into the political realm."
“I hope I’m not going to get castigated for saying this by my priest back home, but I don’t get economic policy from my bishops or my cardinals or my pope,” Bush said, according to the New York Times. “And I'd like to see what he says as it relates to climate change and how that connects to these broader, deeper issues before I pass judgment."
Other Republicans came out against the pope after he first spoke on climate change in January.
"I don't know if it is all [man's fault] but the majority is, for the most part, it is man who continuously slaps down nature," the pope said, according to Reuters.
Former Sen. Rick Santorum (R-Pa.) told a radio station earlier this month the church shouldn't weigh in on scientific matters. Source That awkward moment when the Catholic Church is more pro-science than presidential candidates. Yeah, except the Catholic Church has been pro-evolution since forever, so that alone puts them ahead of a huge slice of presidential candidates. Also, generally pro-environment, whatever that counts for. What makes you think that? Having grown up in the catholic church that is new to me. Pretty sure they (the pope) came out in the 90's as saying evolution and the bible weren't mutually exclusive. Of course as is being shown not every church took up the notion equally. Yeah I'm aware of statements and positions taken by men in the vatican but having spent 18 years in that crazy I don't recall ever hearing anything pro-evolution at all, quite the opposite. Although my family are not Irish Catholic so maybe they are different. https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Catholic_Church_and_evolutionSorry for linking Wiki, but it's the easiest source I got... Show nested quote + In the 1950 encyclical Humani generis, Pope Pius XII confirmed that there is no intrinsic conflict between Christianity and the theory of evolution, provided that Christians believe that the individual soul is a direct creation by God and not the product of purely material forces. Pope John Paul II Show nested quote +"In his encyclical Humani generis (1950), my predecessor Pius XII has already affirmed that there is no conflict between evolution and the doctrine of the faith regarding man and his vocation, provided that we do not lose sight of certain fixed points.... Today, more than a half-century after the appearance of that encyclical, some new findings lead us toward the recognition of evolution as more than a hypothesis. In fact it is remarkable that this theory has had progressively greater influence on the spirit of researchers, following a series of discoveries in different scholarly disciplines. The convergence in the results of these independent studies—which was neither planned nor sought—constitutes in itself a significant argument in favor of the theory." Pope Benedict XVI Show nested quote +According to the widely accepted scientific account, the universe erupted 15 billion years ago in an explosion called the 'Big Bang' and has been expanding and cooling ever since. Later there gradually emerged the conditions necessary for the formation of atoms, still later the condensation of galaxies and stars, and about 10 billion years later the formation of planets. In our own solar system and on earth (formed about 4.5 billion years ago), the conditions have been favorable to the emergence of life. While there is little consensus among scientists about how the origin of this first microscopic life is to be explained, there is general agreement among them that the first organism dwelt on this planet about 3.5–4 billion years ago. Since it has been demonstrated that all living organisms on earth are genetically related, it is virtually certain that all living organisms have descended from this first organism. Converging evidence from many studies in the physical and biological sciences furnishes mounting support for some theory of evolution to account for the development and diversification of life on earth, while controversy continues over the pace and mechanisms of evolution. As far as I can tell, they disagree with any attempts by scientists to define the soul, and they prefer the concept that their God created everything - including evolution, but they don't disagree with evolution. To which I think there is a discernable rift between American Catholicism and Catholicism outside of the United States.
Hm, that is weird, i assumed that the catholic church was really monolithic, hierarchical and centralised. How can it be that the catholics in the US have distinctly different doctrines than those in europe? Shouldn't they all be based on the pope and the council of cardinals?
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Theoretically, but from what I have heard the church actually gives a lot of flexibility when it comes to that and stuff like creation so there is a lot of room for different regions to teach different things.
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Yeah, supposedly they leave it to the individual branches to deal with explaining things to their respective flocks - and the Catholic church in the United States has generally been, from what I hear in the news anyways, more divisive from their European and SA brethren.
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Yes, the way I understand in theory it is monolithic and hierarchical, but in practice it is rather big tent. Where when a Protestant church has a disagreement, you will wind up with a church split and a new denomination, Catholics encompass everything from deeply conservative to very liberal and from very orthodox to rather charismatic. (I was very surprised to learn there was such thing as a Charismatic Catholic.)
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On June 19 2015 03:07 Falling wrote:
Yes, the way I understand in theory it is monolithic and hierarchical, but in practice it is rather big tent. Where when a Protestant church has a disagreement, you will wind up with a church split and a new denomination, Catholics encompass everything from deeply conservative to very liberal and from very orthodox to rather charismatic. (I was very surprised to learn there was such thing as a Charismatic Catholic.)
As was I. I had been in the church since I was born and never heard of these people until I attended a retreat where tons of them "spoke in tongues". Yeah, that was the beginning of the end for me.
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On June 19 2015 02:52 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2015 02:46 GreenHorizons wrote:A profile photo taken from a Facebook page thought to belong to the FBI’s now-captured suspect the killing of nine people at a black church in Charleston, South Carolina, offers the strongest clue yet as to what might have been his motivation. The photo, thought to be of Dylann Storm Roof, shows a young man wearing a black fleece jacket. Affixed to the right breast are two flags, one for apartheid-era South Africa, and another for the former colony of Rhodesia, which is now known as Zimbabwe.
The short-lived state of Rhodesia, which was never recognized internationally, is closely identified with white supremacy. It was born in 1965 when the predominantly white government of what was then known as the British colony of South Rhodesia refused to transition to black majority rule on the eve of independence. SourceIn case people didn't recognize the flags he was wearing. I am sure we are going to find out a lot about who this guy is and what enlightened communities he is part of. Because its very hard to become a racist of this level on your own.
I'm wondering whether he knew he was killing a state Senator or not? The Senator had contributed toward the effort for mandatory body cams for SC police after they shot that man in the back while he was jogging away. Maybe just a coincidence though.
Hard to see how this isn't terrorism?
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On June 19 2015 02:39 heliusx wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2015 00:30 ZasZ. wrote:
So based on what he was reported to say before the shooting as well as that Facebook photo, it will be hard for the right to spin away from the white supremacist angle here. People who say racism isn't a problem in this country, or even doesn't exist, have never been to the American south. Confederate flags proudly on display almost everywhere, but they will point to this and say it is an isolated outburst by a hateful individual. He's only 21, his family, friends, and the culture around him taught him to think this way, and you can hardly call it isolated. What? I feel like either that's not true or I live in some strange region of the south where that doesn't happen at all.
In my experience it depends on where you are in the South. I can see Confederate flags with some regularity near where I live but frequency varies highly depending on level of urban/rural-ness. For example, in Atlanta/Charlotte/Raleigh confederate flags would be a rarity unless it was on a tourists car, you start seeing a few in medium cities like Winston-Salem/Greenville SC/Macon they aren't that rare, and small rural towns it's not uncommon.
I wouldn't say that I've been in a town where there's confederate flags flying everywhere but they're common enough that you can find them if you know where to look.
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On June 19 2015 03:26 ZeaL. wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2015 02:39 heliusx wrote:On June 19 2015 00:30 ZasZ. wrote:
So based on what he was reported to say before the shooting as well as that Facebook photo, it will be hard for the right to spin away from the white supremacist angle here. People who say racism isn't a problem in this country, or even doesn't exist, have never been to the American south. Confederate flags proudly on display almost everywhere, but they will point to this and say it is an isolated outburst by a hateful individual. He's only 21, his family, friends, and the culture around him taught him to think this way, and you can hardly call it isolated. What? I feel like either that's not true or I live in some strange region of the south where that doesn't happen at all. In my experience it depends on where you are in the South. I can see Confederate flags with some regularity near where I live but frequency varies highly depending on level of urban/rural-ness. For example, in Atlanta/Charlotte/Raleigh confederate flags would be a rarity unless it was on a tourists car, you start seeing a few in medium cities like Winston-Salem/Greenville SC/Macon they aren't that rare, and small rural towns it's not uncommon. I wouldn't say that I've been in a town where there's confederate flags flying everywhere but they're common enough that you can find them if you know where to look.
This in the context where Confederate flag license plates had to go to a 5-4 decision in the Supreme Court
The U.S. Supreme Court on Thursday ruled that Texas did not violate free speech rights when it rejected a proposed specialty vehicle license plate displaying the Confederate flag, to some an emblem of Southern pride and to others a symbol of racism.
The 5-4 ruling will give states that issue specialty license plates wide latitude to decide which ones to approve. The court's four liberals were joined in the decision by conservative Clarence Thomas.
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I think they caught the guy, no? He deserves a firing squad
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On June 19 2015 03:35 Aveng3r wrote:
I think they caught the guy, no? He deserves a firing squad
Didn't resist at all, he wants to be made famous for this.
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On June 19 2015 03:15 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2015 02:52 Plansix wrote:On June 19 2015 02:46 GreenHorizons wrote:A profile photo taken from a Facebook page thought to belong to the FBI’s now-captured suspect the killing of nine people at a black church in Charleston, South Carolina, offers the strongest clue yet as to what might have been his motivation. The photo, thought to be of Dylann Storm Roof, shows a young man wearing a black fleece jacket. Affixed to the right breast are two flags, one for apartheid-era South Africa, and another for the former colony of Rhodesia, which is now known as Zimbabwe.
The short-lived state of Rhodesia, which was never recognized internationally, is closely identified with white supremacy. It was born in 1965 when the predominantly white government of what was then known as the British colony of South Rhodesia refused to transition to black majority rule on the eve of independence. SourceIn case people didn't recognize the flags he was wearing. I am sure we are going to find out a lot about who this guy is and what enlightened communities he is part of. Because its very hard to become a racist of this level on your own. I'm wondering whether he knew he was killing a state Senator or not? The Senator had contributed toward the effort for mandatory body cams for SC police after they shot that man in the back while he was jogging away. Maybe just a coincidence though. Hard to see how this isn't terrorism?
Probably, I'm glad the FBI is there because they have the resources to find out what groups he is connected to and if this is part of a plan, or is just his plan.
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On June 19 2015 03:15 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2015 02:52 Plansix wrote:On June 19 2015 02:46 GreenHorizons wrote:A profile photo taken from a Facebook page thought to belong to the FBI’s now-captured suspect the killing of nine people at a black church in Charleston, South Carolina, offers the strongest clue yet as to what might have been his motivation. The photo, thought to be of Dylann Storm Roof, shows a young man wearing a black fleece jacket. Affixed to the right breast are two flags, one for apartheid-era South Africa, and another for the former colony of Rhodesia, which is now known as Zimbabwe.
The short-lived state of Rhodesia, which was never recognized internationally, is closely identified with white supremacy. It was born in 1965 when the predominantly white government of what was then known as the British colony of South Rhodesia refused to transition to black majority rule on the eve of independence. SourceIn case people didn't recognize the flags he was wearing. I am sure we are going to find out a lot about who this guy is and what enlightened communities he is part of. Because its very hard to become a racist of this level on your own. I'm wondering whether he knew he was killing a state Senator or not? The Senator had contributed toward the effort for mandatory body cams for SC police after they shot that man in the back while he was jogging away. Maybe just a coincidence though. Hard to see how this isn't terrorism?
Several news networks are calling it that and a hate crime. Others are trying so hard not to because it might upset their the market they pander too.
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On June 19 2015 02:46 GreenHorizons wrote:
I'm wondering whether he knew he was killing a state Senator or not? The Senator had contributed toward the effort for mandatory body cams for SC police after they shot that man in the back while he was jogging away. Maybe just a coincidence though.
Hard to see how this isn't terrorism?
My first thought also when I heard he was a senator was Loungher 2.0.
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On June 19 2015 03:26 ZeaL. wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2015 02:39 heliusx wrote:On June 19 2015 00:30 ZasZ. wrote:
So based on what he was reported to say before the shooting as well as that Facebook photo, it will be hard for the right to spin away from the white supremacist angle here. People who say racism isn't a problem in this country, or even doesn't exist, have never been to the American south. Confederate flags proudly on display almost everywhere, but they will point to this and say it is an isolated outburst by a hateful individual. He's only 21, his family, friends, and the culture around him taught him to think this way, and you can hardly call it isolated. What? I feel like either that's not true or I live in some strange region of the south where that doesn't happen at all. In my experience it depends on where you are in the South. I can see Confederate flags with some regularity near where I live but frequency varies highly depending on level of urban/rural-ness. For example, in Atlanta/Charlotte/Raleigh confederate flags would be a rarity unless it was on a tourists car, you start seeing a few in medium cities like Winston-Salem/Greenville SC/Macon they aren't that rare, and small rural towns it's not uncommon. I wouldn't say that I've been in a town where there's confederate flags flying everywhere but they're common enough that you can find them if you know where to look.
I've been all over the south and yeah it's more common in Texas or Alabama but saying "proudly on display almost everywhere" is completely bullshit. Maybe I'm isolated from most of those people because I'm in southeast Louisiana where people are very different in comparison to your average southerner but your statement is still a flat out lie.
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