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On June 18 2015 11:27 Slaughter wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2015 11:05 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On June 18 2015 08:54 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:GOP presidential hopeful Jeb Bush criticized Pope Francis on Tuesday after a draft of his encyclical on climate change was leaked by an Italian newspaper.
In the leaked draft, the pope attributes "the majority of the global warming in recent decades" to human activity.
During a town hall event in New Hampshire, Bush said he thinks religion "ought to be about making us better as people and less about things that end up getting into the political realm."
“I hope I’m not going to get castigated for saying this by my priest back home, but I don’t get economic policy from my bishops or my cardinals or my pope,” Bush said, according to the New York Times. “And I'd like to see what he says as it relates to climate change and how that connects to these broader, deeper issues before I pass judgment."
Other Republicans came out against the pope after he first spoke on climate change in January.
"I don't know if it is all [man's fault] but the majority is, for the most part, it is man who continuously slaps down nature," the pope said, according to Reuters.
Former Sen. Rick Santorum (R-Pa.) told a radio station earlier this month the church shouldn't weigh in on scientific matters. Source That awkward moment when the Catholic Church is more pro-science than presidential candidates. The best part was when he tried to justify why politicians with little to no science background should still weigh in on scientific issues (even though the Pope has like an MA in Chem or something?). Rick Santorum should not be allowed to be in a public office -.-
Considering he has more staff than supporters coming to his events, I don't think he's going to be any time soon.
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Live stream of active scene in SC shooting at a church. Several people shot. Suspect still on the loose.
http://www.live5news.com/category/219058/live-stream
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CHARLESTON, SC (WCSC) -
Charleston Police have confirmed a bomb threat has been called in Wednesday night at the scene of a shooting in downtown Charleston.
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I hope the victims are okay <3
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Mayor Joseph P. Riley has confirmed to The Associated Press that police have told him nine are dead in a shooting at a historic black church in downtown Charleston, South Carolina.
Riley said he will release more details shortly at a news conference with Charleston police.
Police were still looking for the suspect in the Wednesday night shooting at Emanuel AME Church.
House Minority Leader Todd Rutherford says that among those killed at Emanuel AME Church was the church's pastor, state Sen. Clementa Pinckney.
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I hope they catch this guy soon. This is some seriously heinous shit. Condolences to the families and people of Charleston of course.
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On June 18 2015 11:05 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2015 08:54 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:GOP presidential hopeful Jeb Bush criticized Pope Francis on Tuesday after a draft of his encyclical on climate change was leaked by an Italian newspaper.
In the leaked draft, the pope attributes "the majority of the global warming in recent decades" to human activity.
During a town hall event in New Hampshire, Bush said he thinks religion "ought to be about making us better as people and less about things that end up getting into the political realm."
“I hope I’m not going to get castigated for saying this by my priest back home, but I don’t get economic policy from my bishops or my cardinals or my pope,” Bush said, according to the New York Times. “And I'd like to see what he says as it relates to climate change and how that connects to these broader, deeper issues before I pass judgment."
Other Republicans came out against the pope after he first spoke on climate change in January.
"I don't know if it is all [man's fault] but the majority is, for the most part, it is man who continuously slaps down nature," the pope said, according to Reuters.
Former Sen. Rick Santorum (R-Pa.) told a radio station earlier this month the church shouldn't weigh in on scientific matters. Source That awkward moment when the Catholic Church is more pro-science than presidential candidates.
Yeah, except the Catholic Church has been pro-evolution since forever, so that alone puts them ahead of a huge slice of presidential candidates. Also, generally pro-environment, whatever that counts for.
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Yes, and the catholic church is known to be a very progressive institution that is quick to embrace change.
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Well, If the republicans (or at least their evangelical/christian-wing) moves any further backwards it will soon fall into the abyss at the End of the (flat) world.
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Catholic Church outside of the US*
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On June 18 2015 14:00 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +Mayor Joseph P. Riley has confirmed to The Associated Press that police have told him nine are dead in a shooting at a historic black church in downtown Charleston, South Carolina.
Riley said he will release more details shortly at a news conference with Charleston police.
Police were still looking for the suspect in the Wednesday night shooting at Emanuel AME Church.
House Minority Leader Todd Rutherford says that among those killed at Emanuel AME Church was the church's pastor, state Sen. Clementa Pinckney. SourceI hope they catch this guy soon. This is some seriously heinous shit. Condolences to the families and people of Charleston of course.
I was listening to NPR. Apparently the sick fuck prayed with them for an hour before opening fire.
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Has nearly the same look (eyes) and bowl haircut as Adam Lanza.
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So based on what he was reported to say before the shooting as well as that Facebook photo, it will be hard for the right to spin away from the white supremacist angle here. People who say racism isn't a problem in this country, or even doesn't exist, have never been to the American south. Confederate flags proudly on display almost everywhere, but they will point to this and say it is an isolated outburst by a hateful individual. He's only 21, his family, friends, and the culture around him taught him to think this way, and you can hardly call it isolated.
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He's been caught alive. Kinda surprising.
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On June 19 2015 00:30 ZasZ. wrote:
So based on what he was reported to say before the shooting as well as that Facebook photo, it will be hard for the right to spin away from the white supremacist angle here. People who say racism isn't a problem in this country, or even doesn't exist, have never been to the American south. Confederate flags proudly on display almost everywhere, but they will point to this and say it is an isolated outburst by a hateful individual. He's only 21, his family, friends, and the culture around him taught him to think this way, and you can hardly call it isolated.
Yeah, but some networks will try hard to spin it like he is some loner crazy person that was just unstable, rather than a straight up racist who decided it was time to be violent.
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On June 19 2015 02:12 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2015 00:30 ZasZ. wrote:
So based on what he was reported to say before the shooting as well as that Facebook photo, it will be hard for the right to spin away from the white supremacist angle here. People who say racism isn't a problem in this country, or even doesn't exist, have never been to the American south. Confederate flags proudly on display almost everywhere, but they will point to this and say it is an isolated outburst by a hateful individual. He's only 21, his family, friends, and the culture around him taught him to think this way, and you can hardly call it isolated. Yeah, but some networks will try hard to spin it like he is some loner crazy person that was just unstable, rather than a straight up racist who decided it was time to be violent.
Sounds like his parents didn't help...
Roof’s father said he recently bought him a .45-caliber gun for his 21st birthday, a senior law enforcement source said.
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This was bound to happen. After the riots etc some unstable people believed they had found a just cause to unleash hell
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On June 19 2015 02:12 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2015 00:30 ZasZ. wrote:
So based on what he was reported to say before the shooting as well as that Facebook photo, it will be hard for the right to spin away from the white supremacist angle here. People who say racism isn't a problem in this country, or even doesn't exist, have never been to the American south. Confederate flags proudly on display almost everywhere, but they will point to this and say it is an isolated outburst by a hateful individual. He's only 21, his family, friends, and the culture around him taught him to think this way, and you can hardly call it isolated. Yeah, but some networks will try hard to spin it like he is some loner crazy person that was just unstable, rather than a straight up racist who decided it was time to be violent.
Nah they were even more clever than that. Santorum, Fox News, et al are now billing this as an attack on religion with no racial underpinnings at all. Just when I thought my respect for the religious right couldn't sink any lower they pull off shit like this. Shameful.
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On June 19 2015 02:26 ZasZ. wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2015 02:12 Plansix wrote:On June 19 2015 00:30 ZasZ. wrote:
So based on what he was reported to say before the shooting as well as that Facebook photo, it will be hard for the right to spin away from the white supremacist angle here. People who say racism isn't a problem in this country, or even doesn't exist, have never been to the American south. Confederate flags proudly on display almost everywhere, but they will point to this and say it is an isolated outburst by a hateful individual. He's only 21, his family, friends, and the culture around him taught him to think this way, and you can hardly call it isolated. Yeah, but some networks will try hard to spin it like he is some loner crazy person that was just unstable, rather than a straight up racist who decided it was time to be violent. Nah they were even more clever than that. Santorum, Fox News, et al are now billing this as an attack on religion with no racial underpinnings at all. Just when I thought my respect for the religious right couldn't sink any lower they pull off shit like this. Shameful.
I already saw that headline, that it was "attack on faith". I wonder how long they will try to keep that up after reports are coming out that the killer said he did it because "blacks were taking over".
At least they are predictable with their bullshit.
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On June 19 2015 00:30 ZasZ. wrote:
So based on what he was reported to say before the shooting as well as that Facebook photo, it will be hard for the right to spin away from the white supremacist angle here. People who say racism isn't a problem in this country, or even doesn't exist, have never been to the American south. Confederate flags proudly on display almost everywhere, but they will point to this and say it is an isolated outburst by a hateful individual. He's only 21, his family, friends, and the culture around him taught him to think this way, and you can hardly call it isolated.
The hell you mean? You'll have to do much better than than this, like this country routinely produces young men with bowl haircuts that gun down innocent blacks. You're the cultural warrior equivalent of the leftist nut that calls every warm day just a sad consequence of the surrounding global warming that caused it. Maybe you'll also find sympathy with some legalization advocate that says his prior drug arrest led to the deaths.
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On June 18 2015 14:54 Yoav wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2015 11:05 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On June 18 2015 08:54 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:GOP presidential hopeful Jeb Bush criticized Pope Francis on Tuesday after a draft of his encyclical on climate change was leaked by an Italian newspaper.
In the leaked draft, the pope attributes "the majority of the global warming in recent decades" to human activity.
During a town hall event in New Hampshire, Bush said he thinks religion "ought to be about making us better as people and less about things that end up getting into the political realm."
“I hope I’m not going to get castigated for saying this by my priest back home, but I don’t get economic policy from my bishops or my cardinals or my pope,” Bush said, according to the New York Times. “And I'd like to see what he says as it relates to climate change and how that connects to these broader, deeper issues before I pass judgment."
Other Republicans came out against the pope after he first spoke on climate change in January.
"I don't know if it is all [man's fault] but the majority is, for the most part, it is man who continuously slaps down nature," the pope said, according to Reuters.
Former Sen. Rick Santorum (R-Pa.) told a radio station earlier this month the church shouldn't weigh in on scientific matters. Source That awkward moment when the Catholic Church is more pro-science than presidential candidates. Yeah, except the Catholic Church has been pro-evolution since forever, so that alone puts them ahead of a huge slice of presidential candidates. Also, generally pro-environment, whatever that counts for.
What makes you think that? Having grown up in the catholic church that is new to me.
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On June 19 2015 02:30 Danglars wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2015 00:30 ZasZ. wrote:
So based on what he was reported to say before the shooting as well as that Facebook photo, it will be hard for the right to spin away from the white supremacist angle here. People who say racism isn't a problem in this country, or even doesn't exist, have never been to the American south. Confederate flags proudly on display almost everywhere, but they will point to this and say it is an isolated outburst by a hateful individual. He's only 21, his family, friends, and the culture around him taught him to think this way, and you can hardly call it isolated. The hell you mean? You'll have to do much better than than this, like this country routinely produces young men with bowl haircuts that gun down innocent blacks. You're the cultural warrior equivalent of the leftist nut that calls every warm day just a sad consequence of the surrounding global warming that caused it. Maybe you'll also find sympathy with some legalization advocate that says his prior drug arrest led to the deaths.
The guy literally said he did it because they were black and the Confederate flag is at half mast at the state house. There really isn't much more to say than that.
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