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On June 17 2015 22:46 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:Show nested quote +DERRY, N.H. — Jeb Bush said Tuesday that the enhanced interrogation techniques deployed by his brother after Sept. 11 attacks were no longer appropriate, that he hoped the Supreme Court would rule against same-sex marriage, and mocked Hillary Rodham Clinton for passing few laws during her eight years in the Senate.
In an extensive interview with Sean Hannity of Fox News in New Hampshire, Mr. Bush was by turns serious and playful, at one point audibly chuckling at criticism from Donald Trump, who is now running for president.
“Sorry,” Mr. Bush said of his laughter. But he did not seem sorry.
The Fox interview will be broadcast on Tuesday night, but it could be overheard by reporters standing nearby.
Pressed on the same-sex marriage case before the Supreme Court, Mr. Bush said: “I believe in traditional marriage. I hope the Supreme Court rules that way.”
He added that the country should not discriminate against any American based on sexual orientation.
Mr. Bush, a two-term governor of Florida, was in New Hampshire for a town hall-style meeting a day after officially announcing his presidential candidacy in Miami. He repeatedly rebuked Mrs. Clinton, his biggest Democratic rival, in Tuesday’s interview. He called her record in Libya, where terrorists killed the American ambassador, “a complete failure.”
Recounting her legislative accomplishments, Mr. Bush said of his work in Florida, “I put that record up against Hillary Clinton’s any day of the week.”
But he offered words of praise, as well, calling Mrs. Clinton “smart” and “tough.” Source
lol wat.
How do Republican candidates say both of these sentences back-to-back with a straight face? Cognitive dissonance champs of the world.
I'm glad he laughed at anything relating to Trump...
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I fucking love the fact that William Gibson retweeted that lol. Of all the people 
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On June 17 2015 23:18 ticklishmusic wrote:
Dunno, because maybe HE'S NOT ACTUALLY RUNNING
Yeah I'm surprised Biden hasn't thrown his hat in the ring yet... and I think that if Biden declares he's running, then he'd take some votes from Hillary's supporters, which would help Bernie. I don't think people will switch their votes from Bernie to Biden.
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On June 18 2015 06:47 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2015 23:18 ticklishmusic wrote:
Dunno, because maybe HE'S NOT ACTUALLY RUNNING Yeah I'm surprised Biden hasn't thrown his hat in the ring yet... and I think that if Biden declares he's running, then he'd take some votes from Hillary's supporters, which would help Bernie. I don't think people will switch their votes from Bernie to Biden.
I'd be surprised to see him run after losing his son. That's got to be tough and make one want to spend whatever time they have left with their family.
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I don't think Biden really wants to be president at this point. My guess would be that he wants to get out of public life, go home and spend time with his family. Maybe do some local work, but no more elected position except maybe the neighborhood association.
I think Sanders is pretty overhyped though I like his positions. I'll bet Hillary wins, and in my ideal situation she'd pick him as a running mate. They'd make a solid duo if neither of them says anything too egregious during the primaries.
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I always found it odd how people claim setting the minimum wage at certain levels doesn't effect employment. Ceteris Paribus it doesn't take a rocket science to show how something like a 200$ minimum wage would affect employment. Obviously, then it goes to show that creating price controls (and yes, labor is a function of the market, and minimum wage is a price control), can have serious negative consequences. Empirically, if you look at the Great Depression, low-skilled laborers were hit the hardest, due to the inflated wage controls of FDR and all his Government-USSR-esque boards. Those who were fortunate enough to have a job were pretty well-to-do during this time, period. Unfortunately, because of these artificially high wage prices, 30% of the population were SOL. Much better waiting in a soup line for hand-outs, than working for 'less than what some guy thought you ought to be paid because...exploitation, Marx, or something, yadda, yadda'.
Now, that isn't to say there are some fundamentally wrong programs and policies contributing to our current economic quagmire. Wages are for the most part, being depressed by Government policy. You have less purchasing power now, than you did in the 1950s thanks to the work of the Federal Reserve and piss-poor financial management brought to you by your wonderful USG employees - Politicians. Couple this with an increasing cost of competition, you get mega-entrenched quasi-Government entities who have enormous negotiation power and Government-advantages, which drives wages down even lower. The solution here, isn't just to blithely dismiss all these complex factors (as the left is so want to do), that are handed down on high from Government, and then run up to Mr. Government and demand they stop doing what Governments always do (enrich the few by the many), and institute arbitrary minimum wage prices. Who knows what the market wage prices are for any industry let alone a single occupation. It could have a relatively benign effect (as the new min. wage is still under market price), or disastrous effect (like we saw in the Great Depression when min. wage are above market wage prices).
Why 15$? I say, 50$!
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Or runnin' for POTUS with his woes.
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GOP presidential hopeful Jeb Bush criticized Pope Francis on Tuesday after a draft of his encyclical on climate change was leaked by an Italian newspaper.
In the leaked draft, the pope attributes "the majority of the global warming in recent decades" to human activity.
During a town hall event in New Hampshire, Bush said he thinks religion "ought to be about making us better as people and less about things that end up getting into the political realm."
“I hope I’m not going to get castigated for saying this by my priest back home, but I don’t get economic policy from my bishops or my cardinals or my pope,” Bush said, according to the New York Times. “And I'd like to see what he says as it relates to climate change and how that connects to these broader, deeper issues before I pass judgment."
Other Republicans came out against the pope after he first spoke on climate change in January.
"I don't know if it is all [man's fault] but the majority is, for the most part, it is man who continuously slaps down nature," the pope said, according to Reuters.
Former Sen. Rick Santorum (R-Pa.) told a radio station earlier this month the church shouldn't weigh in on scientific matters.
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On June 18 2015 03:33 Cowboy64 wrote:
I don't think it's fair to say that high-wages drive down employment, but it's equally unfair to say high-wages result in low unemployment.
Places with low unemployment will usually have higher-wages because the demand for labor is higher and the supply lower. I've heard some good arguments for and against raising the minimum wage, but this is not one of them.
But it's entirely accurate...
If an employer has a set amount of money for paying their employees, and you increase the amount they pay per employee, the natural way to balance that out is to get rid of some employees and just make the remaining ones due their work.
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Wegandi, I really don't think 'imagine what would happen if minimum wage increased to $200' is an argument against raising it to $15. This is not a mathematical equation where if you move the minimum wage from $10 to $15 you get 1/38 the adverse effect you would get if you moved it from $10 to $200.
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So natural. Paleo man was doing that with his hunters when they organized against him demanding a larger share of the meat.
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I mean, if minimum wage is at $7.99, and then you increase it to $8, it does not take a rocket scientist to see that this would have 0% effect on employment. By increasing it to $15, you'd increase it by 700 times that much, but 700x0 is still 0. 
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I think $15 an hour is pretty reasonable if nothing else to keep up with the times. I gotta believe that minimum wage jobs support other minimum wage jobs. Economics is a fickle thing and I can't in good faith debate about it.
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On June 18 2015 06:45 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2015 22:46 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:DERRY, N.H. — Jeb Bush said Tuesday that the enhanced interrogation techniques deployed by his brother after Sept. 11 attacks were no longer appropriate, that he hoped the Supreme Court would rule against same-sex marriage, and mocked Hillary Rodham Clinton for passing few laws during her eight years in the Senate.
In an extensive interview with Sean Hannity of Fox News in New Hampshire, Mr. Bush was by turns serious and playful, at one point audibly chuckling at criticism from Donald Trump, who is now running for president.
“Sorry,” Mr. Bush said of his laughter. But he did not seem sorry.
The Fox interview will be broadcast on Tuesday night, but it could be overheard by reporters standing nearby.
Pressed on the same-sex marriage case before the Supreme Court, Mr. Bush said: “I believe in traditional marriage. I hope the Supreme Court rules that way.”
He added that the country should not discriminate against any American based on sexual orientation.
Mr. Bush, a two-term governor of Florida, was in New Hampshire for a town hall-style meeting a day after officially announcing his presidential candidacy in Miami. He repeatedly rebuked Mrs. Clinton, his biggest Democratic rival, in Tuesday’s interview. He called her record in Libya, where terrorists killed the American ambassador, “a complete failure.”
Recounting her legislative accomplishments, Mr. Bush said of his work in Florida, “I put that record up against Hillary Clinton’s any day of the week.”
But he offered words of praise, as well, calling Mrs. Clinton “smart” and “tough.” Source lol wat. How do Republican candidates say both of these sentences back-to-back with a straight face? Cognitive dissonance champs of the world. I'm glad he laughed at anything relating to Trump... (with a very high IQ) (with a very high IQ) (with a very high IQ) (with a very high IQ) (with a very high IQ) + Show Spoiler +and strong common sense
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Trump is a genius but I would have expected nothing less from someone with a very high iq.
Turning the story 180 degrees. Off course he does not believe what he says.
Bush against Clinton, what an awesome ticket it will be.
Clinton I did expect (even posted about it on this forum over 3-4 years ago) but bush is a bit of a surprise to me.
He is a very logical candidate,hes such a good candidate that I thought they would want to safe him because the election wont be that easy.
As it is now I don't see the republicans winning the election, Hillary is not a great candidate in my opinion but the economy is doing decent at least till now(if you believe the official figures)
If bush looses I don't see him run again because that would be highly unusual. Maybe republicans are very confident in the election.
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On June 18 2015 10:19 Rassy wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2015 06:45 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On June 17 2015 22:46 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:DERRY, N.H. — Jeb Bush said Tuesday that the enhanced interrogation techniques deployed by his brother after Sept. 11 attacks were no longer appropriate, that he hoped the Supreme Court would rule against same-sex marriage, and mocked Hillary Rodham Clinton for passing few laws during her eight years in the Senate.
In an extensive interview with Sean Hannity of Fox News in New Hampshire, Mr. Bush was by turns serious and playful, at one point audibly chuckling at criticism from Donald Trump, who is now running for president.
“Sorry,” Mr. Bush said of his laughter. But he did not seem sorry.
The Fox interview will be broadcast on Tuesday night, but it could be overheard by reporters standing nearby.
Pressed on the same-sex marriage case before the Supreme Court, Mr. Bush said: “I believe in traditional marriage. I hope the Supreme Court rules that way.”
He added that the country should not discriminate against any American based on sexual orientation.
Mr. Bush, a two-term governor of Florida, was in New Hampshire for a town hall-style meeting a day after officially announcing his presidential candidacy in Miami. He repeatedly rebuked Mrs. Clinton, his biggest Democratic rival, in Tuesday’s interview. He called her record in Libya, where terrorists killed the American ambassador, “a complete failure.”
Recounting her legislative accomplishments, Mr. Bush said of his work in Florida, “I put that record up against Hillary Clinton’s any day of the week.”
But he offered words of praise, as well, calling Mrs. Clinton “smart” and “tough.” Source lol wat. How do Republican candidates say both of these sentences back-to-back with a straight face? Cognitive dissonance champs of the world. I'm glad he laughed at anything relating to Trump... (with a very high IQ) (with a very high IQ) (with a very high IQ) (with a very high IQ) (with a very high IQ) + Show Spoiler +and strong common sense
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and strong common sense Trump is a genius but I would have expected nothing less from someone with a very high iq. Turning the story 180 degrees. Off course he does not believe what he says. Bush against Clinton, what an awesome ticket it will be. Clinton I did expect (even posted about it on this forum over 3-4 years ago) but bush is a bit of a surprise to me. He is a very logical candidate,hes such a good candidate that I thought they would want to safe him because the election wont be that easy. As it is now I don't see the republicans winning the election, Hillary is not a great candidate in my opinion but the economy is doing decent at least till now(if you believe the official figures) If bush looses I don't see him run again because that would be highly unusual. Maybe republicans are very confident in the election.
Trump is just out there saying what a lot of the base thinks but no one really says in public. It will be funny to watch the reactions from the GOP candidates about his immigration rhetoric.
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On June 18 2015 08:12 Wegandi wrote:
Ceteris Paribus it doesn't take a rocket science to show how something like a 200$ minimum wage would affect employment. Obviously, then it goes to show that creating price controls (and yes, labor is a function of the market, and minimum wage is a price control), can have serious negative consequences.
Also, since drinking 200 gallons of water per day would kill you, you should avoid drinking any quantity of water since drinking water "can have serious negative consequences". Flawless logic.
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High-level officials in the George W. Bush administration can be sued by immigrants who were swept up in post-9/11 investigations and subjected to abuse while held in detention facilities, the Second Circuit Court of Appeals ruled Wednesday.
The plaintiffs — all men of Middle Eastern, North African or South Asian descent — had either entered the United States illegally or had entered legally but overstayed their visa or were employed without a work authorization. Six are Muslim, one is a Hindu and another a Buddhist.
Following the Sept. 11 attacks, the FBI and the Immigration and Naturalization Service (INS) arrested the eight men on immigration charges and held them as “terrorism suspects” based solely on their race, religion, ethnicity and immigration status — and not because of any suspected activities related to terrorism, according a civil rights lawsuit filed on behalf of the men by the Center for Constitutional Rights in 2002.
The eight named plaintiffs are seeking to represent a class of hundreds of noncitizens swept up in investigations.
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On June 18 2015 08:54 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:Show nested quote +GOP presidential hopeful Jeb Bush criticized Pope Francis on Tuesday after a draft of his encyclical on climate change was leaked by an Italian newspaper.
In the leaked draft, the pope attributes "the majority of the global warming in recent decades" to human activity.
During a town hall event in New Hampshire, Bush said he thinks religion "ought to be about making us better as people and less about things that end up getting into the political realm."
“I hope I’m not going to get castigated for saying this by my priest back home, but I don’t get economic policy from my bishops or my cardinals or my pope,” Bush said, according to the New York Times. “And I'd like to see what he says as it relates to climate change and how that connects to these broader, deeper issues before I pass judgment."
Other Republicans came out against the pope after he first spoke on climate change in January.
"I don't know if it is all [man's fault] but the majority is, for the most part, it is man who continuously slaps down nature," the pope said, according to Reuters.
Former Sen. Rick Santorum (R-Pa.) told a radio station earlier this month the church shouldn't weigh in on scientific matters. Source
That awkward moment when the Catholic Church is more pro-science than presidential candidates.
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On June 18 2015 11:05 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2015 08:54 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:GOP presidential hopeful Jeb Bush criticized Pope Francis on Tuesday after a draft of his encyclical on climate change was leaked by an Italian newspaper.
In the leaked draft, the pope attributes "the majority of the global warming in recent decades" to human activity.
During a town hall event in New Hampshire, Bush said he thinks religion "ought to be about making us better as people and less about things that end up getting into the political realm."
“I hope I’m not going to get castigated for saying this by my priest back home, but I don’t get economic policy from my bishops or my cardinals or my pope,” Bush said, according to the New York Times. “And I'd like to see what he says as it relates to climate change and how that connects to these broader, deeper issues before I pass judgment."
Other Republicans came out against the pope after he first spoke on climate change in January.
"I don't know if it is all [man's fault] but the majority is, for the most part, it is man who continuously slaps down nature," the pope said, according to Reuters.
Former Sen. Rick Santorum (R-Pa.) told a radio station earlier this month the church shouldn't weigh in on scientific matters. Source That awkward moment when the Catholic Church is more pro-science than presidential candidates.
The best part was when he tried to justify why politicians with little to no science background should still weigh in on scientific issues (even though the Pope has like an MA in Chem or something?). Rick Santorum should not be allowed to be in a public office -.-
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On June 18 2015 11:27 Slaughter wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2015 11:05 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On June 18 2015 08:54 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:GOP presidential hopeful Jeb Bush criticized Pope Francis on Tuesday after a draft of his encyclical on climate change was leaked by an Italian newspaper.
In the leaked draft, the pope attributes "the majority of the global warming in recent decades" to human activity.
During a town hall event in New Hampshire, Bush said he thinks religion "ought to be about making us better as people and less about things that end up getting into the political realm."
“I hope I’m not going to get castigated for saying this by my priest back home, but I don’t get economic policy from my bishops or my cardinals or my pope,” Bush said, according to the New York Times. “And I'd like to see what he says as it relates to climate change and how that connects to these broader, deeper issues before I pass judgment."
Other Republicans came out against the pope after he first spoke on climate change in January.
"I don't know if it is all [man's fault] but the majority is, for the most part, it is man who continuously slaps down nature," the pope said, according to Reuters.
Former Sen. Rick Santorum (R-Pa.) told a radio station earlier this month the church shouldn't weigh in on scientific matters. Source That awkward moment when the Catholic Church is more pro-science than presidential candidates. The best part was when he tried to justify why politicians with little to no science background should still weigh in on scientific issues (even though the Pope has like an MA in Chem or something?). Rick Santorum should not be allowed to be in a public office -.-
He should not be allowed in public, period.
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