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On June 19 2015 00:30 ZasZ. wrote:
So based on what he was reported to say before the shooting as well as that Facebook photo, it will be hard for the right to spin away from the white supremacist angle here. People who say racism isn't a problem in this country, or even doesn't exist, have never been to the American south. Confederate flags proudly on display almost everywhere, but they will point to this and say it is an isolated outburst by a hateful individual. He's only 21, his family, friends, and the culture around him taught him to think this way, and you can hardly call it isolated.
Yep, saw that shit firsthand when stationed in Mississippi and witnessed police brutality of one of my black shipmates at the time. Disgusting good ol' boys network including military brass- scumbags.
On June 19 2015 02:56 Simberto wrote:
Hm, that is weird, i assumed that the catholic church was really monolithic, hierarchical and centralised. How can it be that the catholics in the US have distinctly different doctrines than those in europe? Shouldn't they all be based on the pope and the council of cardinals?
I haven't really followed the metagame of the Church in awhile, but it's not just the US is it? Look at the stark differences of the current Pope and his predecessor for example. Almost looks as polarized as US politics lol. (Nothing to do with Europe necessarily though I guess)
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On June 19 2015 03:56 heliusx wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2015 03:26 ZeaL. wrote:On June 19 2015 02:39 heliusx wrote:On June 19 2015 00:30 ZasZ. wrote:
So based on what he was reported to say before the shooting as well as that Facebook photo, it will be hard for the right to spin away from the white supremacist angle here. People who say racism isn't a problem in this country, or even doesn't exist, have never been to the American south. Confederate flags proudly on display almost everywhere, but they will point to this and say it is an isolated outburst by a hateful individual. He's only 21, his family, friends, and the culture around him taught him to think this way, and you can hardly call it isolated. What? I feel like either that's not true or I live in some strange region of the south where that doesn't happen at all. In my experience it depends on where you are in the South. I can see Confederate flags with some regularity near where I live but frequency varies highly depending on level of urban/rural-ness. For example, in Atlanta/Charlotte/Raleigh confederate flags would be a rarity unless it was on a tourists car, you start seeing a few in medium cities like Winston-Salem/Greenville SC/Macon they aren't that rare, and small rural towns it's not uncommon. I wouldn't say that I've been in a town where there's confederate flags flying everywhere but they're common enough that you can find them if you know where to look. I've been all over the south and yeah it's more common in Texas or Alabama but saying "proudly on display almost everywhere" is completely bullshit. Maybe I'm isolated from most of those people because I'm in southeast Louisiana where people are very different in comparison to your average southerner but your statement is still a flat out lie.
New Orleans (I'm from there) and the surrounding area is not culturally Southern. If you go towards Lafayette though, it gets weird. I once visited a place called Lockport (somewhere near Lake Charles iirc) and the town was divided in half by a canal with black people on one side and white people on the other. African Americans used to get shot for crossing over. I shit you not.
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Lol I was born in lafayette. But anyway I've never heard of these types of places where you can be shot for being black. Yeah lots of backwoods fuckers but being shot for crossing a bridge? When? 100 years ago?
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Not a single US state has laws that meet international standards for when police can use deadly force against civilians, according to a new human rights report. The report, issued by Amnesty International, also found that all 50 U.S. states and Washington, D.C. lack any laws that mandate an official investigation following an officer-involved shooting that results in death. The findings, taken as a whole, paint local laws that govern when a police officer can use lethal force as either woefully inadequate or entirely absent.
The study, Deadly Force: Police Use of Force in the United States, comes at a time when police conduct is under more scrutiny than at any time in recent memory. The high-profile police killings of black Americans in Ferguson, Mo., Cleveland, Staten Island, N.Y., North Charleston, S.C. and Baltimore, and the ensuing demonstrations for justice, some of which organized under the banner “Black Lives Matter,” have resulted in nationwide calls for more accountability for law enforcement.
“We hope it's propitious timing,” says Steven W. Hawkins, executive director of Amnesty International. “Our hope is the report will move for some much-needed reforms in state laws around the country.”
The Department of Justice doesn't keep annual data on the number of civilians killed by the police, so the true extent of the problem remains unknown. Media reports, however, have attempted to catalog those who have died in interactions with police this year. An investigation by the Washington Post last month found officers had killed an average of about two people per day in 2015.
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Wise words.
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There are small towns all over Ohio, Michigan, Indiana, and Illinois where the Confederate Flag is proudly flown. This is no secret.
And ya know, for all his faults, I do think that Obama can be extremely poignant sometimes.
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On June 19 2015 05:29 farvacola wrote:
There are small towns all over Ohio, Michigan, Indiana, and Illinois where the Confederate Flag is proudly flown. This is no secret.
And ya know, for all his faults, I do think that Obama can be extremely poignant sometimes.
Looking forward to hearing him a decade or so from now. He got in there young and has a lot of life left to be going around doing whatever he thinks is important to him/the country outside the political arena.
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On June 19 2015 05:33 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2015 05:29 farvacola wrote:
There are small towns all over Ohio, Michigan, Indiana, and Illinois where the Confederate Flag is proudly flown. This is no secret.
And ya know, for all his faults, I do think that Obama can be extremely poignant sometimes. Looking forward to hearing him a decade or so from now. He got in there young and has a lot of life left to be going around doing whatever he thinks is important to him/the country outside the political arena.
I agree.
Heck, maybe he'll earn his Nobel Peace Prize ex post facto.
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On June 19 2015 05:22 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: Wise words.
"It doesn’t happen in other places with this kind of frequency."
Is the qualifier that immediately follows it.
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"this type" seems like a specific enough qualifier to avoid needing that additional information, but yeah, it certainly adds to the image.
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It's a very good qualifier, and should not be left off. Because without the qualifier, people are immediately posting the Charlie Hebdo thing or the Norwegian mass shooting as a rebuttal.
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Those would seem like obvious examples of other types of mass violence but yeah, the less wiggle room you give an opposing polemic, the better.
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On June 19 2015 05:45 farvacola wrote:
"this type" seems like a specific enough qualifier to avoid needing that additional information, but yeah, it certainly adds to the image.
Not when you have Jonny around on his semantic argument period. Trust me, I've seen people "debunk" this mined quote at least 50 times today.
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The frequency of these shootings is insane. Sure, they happen in other countries too, but maybe once in one or two decades.
Here's a map of the number of schoolshootings around the world:
http://www.mibazaar.com/schoolshootings/
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that obama quote is basically a call for more gun control
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On June 19 2015 06:13 ahswtini wrote:
that obama quote is basically a call for more gun control
We do have a huge problem with gun violence and the master plan of more guns for everyone doesn't seem to be changing that fact.
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It isn't just guns, obviously, but yes, let's play hide the sausage yet again with a gun control argument. I'm sure Millitron will be by any minute now.
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On June 19 2015 06:18 farvacola wrote:
It isn't just guns, obviously, but yes, let's play hide the sausage yet again with a gun control argument. I'm sure Millitron will be by any minute now.
I am sure if everyone in that church was armed, we would have all been fine. /s. Though I am pretty sure the NRA would be conflicted on the subject arming all black people.
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On June 19 2015 05:53 Nyxisto wrote:The frequency of these shootings is insane. Sure, they happen in other countries too, but maybe once in one or two decades. Here's a map of the number of schoolshootings around the world: http://www.mibazaar.com/schoolshootings/
I don't think it's fair to heap this shooting in with school shootings. They seem to stem from completely different societal and psychological factors. To clarify: the church shooting seems to be a hate crime stemming from racism, which does not fit the bill of most school shootings.
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On June 19 2015 06:39 Acrofales wrote:I don't think it's fair to heap this shooting in with school shootings. They seem to stem from completely different societal and psychological factors. To clarify: the church shooting seems to be a hate crime stemming from racism, which does not fit the bill of most school shootings.
I don't see a point in separating them at all.
When the number of shootings of each category (wherever you choose to draw arbitrary lines) in the US is much greater than the total of all shootings in other 1st world countries, then it's fairly obvious that it's a US problem.
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