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And because we're on the topic of botched international relations, Netanyahu's reelection guarantees that Israeli-American relations are going to be in the shitter for the next two years. Obama did everything he could to get the opposition elected and failed. I doubt that fact will be forgotten. Kiss goodbye any prayer of Israeli cooperation on anything that the US might want in the near future.
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All those daft fools who think we need that much money for to keep our country safe. It's mostly to keep allies safe, and the amount actually needed is so far less than what's spent.
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On March 19 2015 02:02 xDaunt wrote:
And because we're on the topic of botched international relations, Netanyahu's reelection guarantees that Israeli-American relations are going to be in the shitter for the next two years. Obama did everything he could to get the opposition elected and failed. I doubt that fact will be forgotten. Kiss goodbye any prayer of Israeli cooperation on anything that the US might want in the near future.
The US doesn't need any cooperation or agreement with Israel to do anything in the Middle East, one could argue that if we left the Alliance with Israel our standing would improve a lot not only in the Middle East but the world as whole.
Never mind the fact that Netanyahu had to go very hard right in everything from racism (bus loads of Arabs heading to the polls), to finally revealing that he has no intention of a two state solution (foreign funded opposition and a conspiracy and international plot to ruin him!).
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On March 19 2015 02:14 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2015 02:02 xDaunt wrote:
And because we're on the topic of botched international relations, Netanyahu's reelection guarantees that Israeli-American relations are going to be in the shitter for the next two years. Obama did everything he could to get the opposition elected and failed. I doubt that fact will be forgotten. Kiss goodbye any prayer of Israeli cooperation on anything that the US might want in the near future. The US doesn't need any cooperation or agreement with Israel to do anything in the Middle East, one could argue that if we left the Alliance with Israel our standing would improve a lot not only in the Middle East but the world as whole. Never mind the fact that Netanyahu had to go very hard right in everything from racism ( bus loads of Arabs heading to the polls), to finally revealing that he has no intention of a two state solution ( foreign funded opposition and a conspiracy and international plot to ruin him!).
I wouldn't be so sure about this. You never know when a favor will be needed. Regardless, needlessly burning bridges with allies is never a good thing.
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On March 19 2015 01:48 Gorsameth wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2015 01:32 oneofthem wrote:
well i'm sure the world trusts the bitcoin economy more congratulations. you win the price for randomly mentioning things that no one was talking about.
still a better post than preceding
and daunt israel are supplicant of u.s. favors to such a critical degree. they cant ever lose even one of the major parties let alone the u.s. in general
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On March 19 2015 02:17 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2015 02:14 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:On March 19 2015 02:02 xDaunt wrote:
And because we're on the topic of botched international relations, Netanyahu's reelection guarantees that Israeli-American relations are going to be in the shitter for the next two years. Obama did everything he could to get the opposition elected and failed. I doubt that fact will be forgotten. Kiss goodbye any prayer of Israeli cooperation on anything that the US might want in the near future. The US doesn't need any cooperation or agreement with Israel to do anything in the Middle East, one could argue that if we left the Alliance with Israel our standing would improve a lot not only in the Middle East but the world as whole. Never mind the fact that Netanyahu had to go very hard right in everything from racism ( bus loads of Arabs heading to the polls), to finally revealing that he has no intention of a two state solution ( foreign funded opposition and a conspiracy and international plot to ruin him!). I wouldn't be so sure about this. You never know when a favor will be needed. Regardless, needlessly burning bridges with allies is never a good thing.
Because Israel has such a good standing the Arab world that we might need their cooperation to win hearts and minds?
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On March 19 2015 01:32 oneofthem wrote:
well i'm sure the world trusts the bitcoin economy more
based on what? most people surveyed have never heard of or used bitcoin. the majority are neutral or don't trust it with less than 15% trusting it.
http://coincenter.org/survey/
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On March 19 2015 02:18 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2015 02:17 xDaunt wrote:On March 19 2015 02:14 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:On March 19 2015 02:02 xDaunt wrote:
And because we're on the topic of botched international relations, Netanyahu's reelection guarantees that Israeli-American relations are going to be in the shitter for the next two years. Obama did everything he could to get the opposition elected and failed. I doubt that fact will be forgotten. Kiss goodbye any prayer of Israeli cooperation on anything that the US might want in the near future. The US doesn't need any cooperation or agreement with Israel to do anything in the Middle East, one could argue that if we left the Alliance with Israel our standing would improve a lot not only in the Middle East but the world as whole. Never mind the fact that Netanyahu had to go very hard right in everything from racism ( bus loads of Arabs heading to the polls), to finally revealing that he has no intention of a two state solution ( foreign funded opposition and a conspiracy and international plot to ruin him!). I wouldn't be so sure about this. You never know when a favor will be needed. Regardless, needlessly burning bridges with allies is never a good thing. Because Israel has such a good standing the Arab world that we might need their cooperation to win hearts and minds?
I trust Israel far more than any of those other assclown countries in the Arab world.
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based on the nonfiat nsa proof cryptography
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On March 19 2015 02:21 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2015 02:18 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:On March 19 2015 02:17 xDaunt wrote:On March 19 2015 02:14 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:On March 19 2015 02:02 xDaunt wrote:
And because we're on the topic of botched international relations, Netanyahu's reelection guarantees that Israeli-American relations are going to be in the shitter for the next two years. Obama did everything he could to get the opposition elected and failed. I doubt that fact will be forgotten. Kiss goodbye any prayer of Israeli cooperation on anything that the US might want in the near future. The US doesn't need any cooperation or agreement with Israel to do anything in the Middle East, one could argue that if we left the Alliance with Israel our standing would improve a lot not only in the Middle East but the world as whole. Never mind the fact that Netanyahu had to go very hard right in everything from racism ( bus loads of Arabs heading to the polls), to finally revealing that he has no intention of a two state solution ( foreign funded opposition and a conspiracy and international plot to ruin him!). I wouldn't be so sure about this. You never know when a favor will be needed. Regardless, needlessly burning bridges with allies is never a good thing. Because Israel has such a good standing the Arab world that we might need their cooperation to win hearts and minds? I trust Israel far more than any of those other assclown countries in the Arab world.
i would trust Jordan more than Israel. israel is more likely to start a war assuming what they are doing now isnt already a war.
On March 19 2015 02:22 oneofthem wrote:
based on the nonfiat nsa proof cryptography
so, no proof, but more one liners from you. got it.
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On March 19 2015 02:02 xDaunt wrote:
And because we're on the topic of botched international relations, Netanyahu's reelection guarantees that Israeli-American relations are going to be in the shitter for the next two years. Obama did everything he could to get the opposition elected and failed. I doubt that fact will be forgotten. Kiss goodbye any prayer of Israeli cooperation on anything that the US might want in the near future.
The entire history of US-Israel relations is US covering Israel's ass. Its Netanyahu's partisan decision to appeal to the GOP instead of America that will have deep repercussions for the Israel state. America could simply sell Israel out tomorrow and instantly improve its diplomatic position in ME.
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On March 19 2015 02:23 dAPhREAk wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2015 02:21 xDaunt wrote:On March 19 2015 02:18 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:On March 19 2015 02:17 xDaunt wrote:On March 19 2015 02:14 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:On March 19 2015 02:02 xDaunt wrote:
And because we're on the topic of botched international relations, Netanyahu's reelection guarantees that Israeli-American relations are going to be in the shitter for the next two years. Obama did everything he could to get the opposition elected and failed. I doubt that fact will be forgotten. Kiss goodbye any prayer of Israeli cooperation on anything that the US might want in the near future. The US doesn't need any cooperation or agreement with Israel to do anything in the Middle East, one could argue that if we left the Alliance with Israel our standing would improve a lot not only in the Middle East but the world as whole. Never mind the fact that Netanyahu had to go very hard right in everything from racism ( bus loads of Arabs heading to the polls), to finally revealing that he has no intention of a two state solution ( foreign funded opposition and a conspiracy and international plot to ruin him!). I wouldn't be so sure about this. You never know when a favor will be needed. Regardless, needlessly burning bridges with allies is never a good thing. Because Israel has such a good standing the Arab world that we might need their cooperation to win hearts and minds? I trust Israel far more than any of those other assclown countries in the Arab world. i would trust Jordan more than Israel. israel is more likely to start a war assuming what they are doing now isnt already a war. Show nested quote +On March 19 2015 02:22 oneofthem wrote:
based on the nonfiat nsa proof cryptography so, no proof, but more one liners from you. got it.
ok ive had my fun but you need to get the sarcasm detector checked
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On March 19 2015 02:34 oneofthem wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2015 02:23 dAPhREAk wrote:On March 19 2015 02:21 xDaunt wrote:On March 19 2015 02:18 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:On March 19 2015 02:17 xDaunt wrote:On March 19 2015 02:14 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:On March 19 2015 02:02 xDaunt wrote:
And because we're on the topic of botched international relations, Netanyahu's reelection guarantees that Israeli-American relations are going to be in the shitter for the next two years. Obama did everything he could to get the opposition elected and failed. I doubt that fact will be forgotten. Kiss goodbye any prayer of Israeli cooperation on anything that the US might want in the near future. The US doesn't need any cooperation or agreement with Israel to do anything in the Middle East, one could argue that if we left the Alliance with Israel our standing would improve a lot not only in the Middle East but the world as whole. Never mind the fact that Netanyahu had to go very hard right in everything from racism ( bus loads of Arabs heading to the polls), to finally revealing that he has no intention of a two state solution ( foreign funded opposition and a conspiracy and international plot to ruin him!). I wouldn't be so sure about this. You never know when a favor will be needed. Regardless, needlessly burning bridges with allies is never a good thing. Because Israel has such a good standing the Arab world that we might need their cooperation to win hearts and minds? I trust Israel far more than any of those other assclown countries in the Arab world. i would trust Jordan more than Israel. israel is more likely to start a war assuming what they are doing now isnt already a war. On March 19 2015 02:22 oneofthem wrote:
based on the nonfiat nsa proof cryptography so, no proof, but more one liners from you. got it. ok ive had my fun but you need to get the sarcasm detector checked
maybe you should try to put some actual content in your posts.
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On March 19 2015 01:55 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2015 01:23 Acrofales wrote:On March 19 2015 00:12 Yoav wrote:On March 18 2015 21:12 Gorsameth wrote:On March 18 2015 15:59 Sermokala wrote:
Your number 2 quite frankly is horse number 2. Us financial stability is utterly guaranteed and everyone knows it if nothing else because of oil being traded in dollars.
Obama is to blame for British involvement in the aiib as the buck stops with him. It's the nature of the job that you get credit and take the blame for the things that happen. Yeah that US financial stability didn't cause a global depressing in the last decade did it? Nah that would be just silly... I think Europe has been managing to have financial problems just fine on its own. The fact that everybody looks to us is why you got hit by our recession and we're not by yours, but recessions happen. This one was particularly long, probably because of post-recession policy failures, but this is the natural cycle of things, and so is bouncing back. Hmmm... installment number 2 of the TL US Politics Megathread daytime soap opera? :D xDaunt: Obama is a douche! He is the cause that America is losing its grip upon the world and people aren't investing solely in its glorious economy! TL: don't blame that on Obama, he can't help it that the US economy went to shit in 2007/8 and dragged the rest of the world economy along with it. No wonder people don't really trust the US economy anymore.Yoav: but the only reason the US economy tanking dragged everybody else along with it is because people were investing solely in its glorious economy! It's the world's own fault. xDaunt: \facepalm. DON'T TELL THE WORLD THAT. It's Obama's fault that the world is now trying to rectify that error. They should continue blindly investing in our glorious economy! You may want to read up on what the AIIB, IMF, and World Bank do before commenting on any of this. You clearly don't understand what the big boys are talking about.
Ewwww a joke! This thread is serious business. You can't make gross simplifications for the sake of comedy! The audacity!
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On March 19 2015 02:40 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2015 01:55 xDaunt wrote:On March 19 2015 01:23 Acrofales wrote:On March 19 2015 00:12 Yoav wrote:On March 18 2015 21:12 Gorsameth wrote:On March 18 2015 15:59 Sermokala wrote:
Your number 2 quite frankly is horse number 2. Us financial stability is utterly guaranteed and everyone knows it if nothing else because of oil being traded in dollars.
Obama is to blame for British involvement in the aiib as the buck stops with him. It's the nature of the job that you get credit and take the blame for the things that happen. Yeah that US financial stability didn't cause a global depressing in the last decade did it? Nah that would be just silly... I think Europe has been managing to have financial problems just fine on its own. The fact that everybody looks to us is why you got hit by our recession and we're not by yours, but recessions happen. This one was particularly long, probably because of post-recession policy failures, but this is the natural cycle of things, and so is bouncing back. Hmmm... installment number 2 of the TL US Politics Megathread daytime soap opera? :D xDaunt: Obama is a douche! He is the cause that America is losing its grip upon the world and people aren't investing solely in its glorious economy! TL: don't blame that on Obama, he can't help it that the US economy went to shit in 2007/8 and dragged the rest of the world economy along with it. No wonder people don't really trust the US economy anymore.Yoav: but the only reason the US economy tanking dragged everybody else along with it is because people were investing solely in its glorious economy! It's the world's own fault. xDaunt: \facepalm. DON'T TELL THE WORLD THAT. It's Obama's fault that the world is now trying to rectify that error. They should continue blindly investing in our glorious economy! You may want to read up on what the AIIB, IMF, and World Bank do before commenting on any of this. You clearly don't understand what the big boys are talking about. Ewwww a joke! This thread is serious business. You can't make gross simplifications for the sake of comedy! The audacity!
Right, but, "as the saying goes, all good comedy is grounded in truth." The saying isn't "comedy is grounded in the gibberish of misunderstanding."
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kwisatch covered the politics of the aiib pretty well so im only criticizing the notion that 'the world doesnt trust the us economy or the dollar.'
happy to talk about why i think this move on the part of europe isnt as consequentially pro-china as it looks tho. namely it is more of a deal for commercial favoritism than geopolitical cooperation with china.
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On March 19 2015 02:02 xDaunt wrote:
And because we're on the topic of botched international relations, Netanyahu's reelection guarantees that Israeli-American relations are going to be in the shitter for the next two years. Obama did everything he could to get the opposition elected and failed. I doubt that fact will be forgotten. Kiss goodbye any prayer of Israeli cooperation on anything that the US might want in the near future.
Yes, let's completely ignore the fact that Netanyahu's clearly responsible for the deterioration of the relation between the U.S. and Israel, and let's blame Obama instead. In forty years you'll probably be accusing Obama when he was president of blocking efforts by Republicans to address climate change.
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On March 19 2015 02:43 kwizach wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2015 02:02 xDaunt wrote:
And because we're on the topic of botched international relations, Netanyahu's reelection guarantees that Israeli-American relations are going to be in the shitter for the next two years. Obama did everything he could to get the opposition elected and failed. I doubt that fact will be forgotten. Kiss goodbye any prayer of Israeli cooperation on anything that the US might want in the near future. Yes, let's completely ignore the fact that Netanyahu's clearly responsible for the deterioration of the relation between the U.S. and Israel, and let's blame Obama instead. In forty years you'll probably be blaming Obama for blocking efforts by Republicans to address climate change.
The one bright spot is that the blaming Obama should stop soon since it was about a week after he was elected republicans said we should stop mentioning Bush. I mean Republicans wont have bitched the whole 8 years about any mention of Bush and then spend the years after Obama doing exactly what they complained about for Bush right...?
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the basic problem with talking about how obama damaged the israeli relationship is that israel has no leverage to complain or antagonize not even the U.S. but the democrat party. it will be a grave threat for the future of israel if this argument escalates and makes israel a partisan issue.
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On March 19 2015 03:00 oneofthem wrote:
the basic problem with talking about how obama damaged the israeli relationship is that israel has no leverage to complain or antagonize not even the U.S. but the democrat party. it will be a grave threat for the future of israel if this argument escalates and makes israel a partisan issue.
Yeah, To put into perspective my first day on campus at my school there was an "Anarchist's Orientation" yeah I know oxymoron...
But it was a bunch of Anarchist's and one of the main thrusts was anti-Israel stuff. About how and why we should boycott Israel or corporations that help them. I was the only one standing up for Israel. But years later I don't see what Israel has to offer the US?
The main reason of having Israel as an ally is it gives us a great FOB in the middle east. We could shit all over Israel and it's not as if they would ever turn us down from operating out of their country if the ME ever totally went up.
For my own curiosity what's the worst case scenario if Israel and US relations weren't just frosty but we outright hated each other? It's not like they are going to switch sides or anything?
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