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On March 05 2015 06:52 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2015 06:32 JonnyBNoHo wrote:On March 05 2015 06:05 Paljas wrote:On March 05 2015 06:01 RCMDVA wrote:
The Tamir Rice shooting happens so damn fast, I think it could have been a white/asian/hispanic kid and it would have gone the same. He's got a parka on and underneath a gazeebo and the cop car slides through the wet grass/snow before it goes bad. The whole thing lasts 2-4 seconds. I think there is was a break down from the 9-1-1 call taker, to the police dispatcher.. to the cops. The cops were not told he was a boy or had a toy gun, iirc. and how often did something like this happen with a white kid? It happens, sadly. I don't think I can google up an exact match to the situation, but here's a story about a white 19 year old girl shot by officer Wakana Okuma while holding a drill ( link). Not only does "It happens" not answer the question of "How often" but it also isn't true. You wont find a comparable situation with a white child, and it's not a coincidence.The longer it takes to realize that, the longer the problem persists. Police interaction with mentally unstable people is just another pervasive problem. It accounts for a significant amount of the white as well as black victims of police abuses.
Stop it. I know you don't like us whites, but going down that road isn't productive.
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On March 05 2015 06:53 JonnyBNoHo wrote:
Also, airsoft guns are made to look like real guns. Drills aren't. There are plenty of ways you can turn the details over. But the point remains that white people get shot by police officers too.
No one is saying whites are immune to police brutality and assumptions, but the assertion is that it is less common for that to happen to whites. I think the DOJ report from Ferguson makes it pretty clear this happens in some areas.
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On March 05 2015 06:56 JonnyBNoHo wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2015 06:52 GreenHorizons wrote:On March 05 2015 06:32 JonnyBNoHo wrote:On March 05 2015 06:05 Paljas wrote:On March 05 2015 06:01 RCMDVA wrote:
The Tamir Rice shooting happens so damn fast, I think it could have been a white/asian/hispanic kid and it would have gone the same. He's got a parka on and underneath a gazeebo and the cop car slides through the wet grass/snow before it goes bad. The whole thing lasts 2-4 seconds. I think there is was a break down from the 9-1-1 call taker, to the police dispatcher.. to the cops. The cops were not told he was a boy or had a toy gun, iirc. and how often did something like this happen with a white kid? It happens, sadly. I don't think I can google up an exact match to the situation, but here's a story about a white 19 year old girl shot by officer Wakana Okuma while holding a drill ( link). Not only does "It happens" not answer the question of "How often" but it also isn't true. You wont find a comparable situation with a white child, and it's not a coincidence.The longer it takes to realize that, the longer the problem persists. Police interaction with mentally unstable people is just another pervasive problem. It accounts for a significant amount of the white as well as black victims of police abuses. Stop it. I know you don't like us whites, but going down that road isn't productive.
You were wrong. Simple as that.
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On March 05 2015 06:44 Simberto wrote:
But generally speaking, the US police does appear to shoot civilians way too much. This is just something i find incredibly weird that there is not a major upheaval about. The police should not shoot civilians except in very extreme circumstances. In most countries, this works pretty well. But in the US, the police are apparently much more trigger-happy in general.
There is probably also an unrelated racism problem, as the police also appears to have some major institutionalized prejudices going on quite often.
Violent crime leads to a more violent police response. Europeans would respond similarly.
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On March 05 2015 06:57 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2015 06:56 JonnyBNoHo wrote:On March 05 2015 06:52 GreenHorizons wrote:On March 05 2015 06:32 JonnyBNoHo wrote:On March 05 2015 06:05 Paljas wrote:On March 05 2015 06:01 RCMDVA wrote:
The Tamir Rice shooting happens so damn fast, I think it could have been a white/asian/hispanic kid and it would have gone the same. He's got a parka on and underneath a gazeebo and the cop car slides through the wet grass/snow before it goes bad. The whole thing lasts 2-4 seconds. I think there is was a break down from the 9-1-1 call taker, to the police dispatcher.. to the cops. The cops were not told he was a boy or had a toy gun, iirc. and how often did something like this happen with a white kid? It happens, sadly. I don't think I can google up an exact match to the situation, but here's a story about a white 19 year old girl shot by officer Wakana Okuma while holding a drill ( link). Not only does "It happens" not answer the question of "How often" but it also isn't true. You wont find a comparable situation with a white child, and it's not a coincidence.The longer it takes to realize that, the longer the problem persists. Police interaction with mentally unstable people is just another pervasive problem. It accounts for a significant amount of the white as well as black victims of police abuses. Stop it. I know you don't like us whites, but going down that road isn't productive. You were wrong. Simple as that.
About what?
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On March 05 2015 06:53 JonnyBNoHo wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2015 06:38 Paljas wrote:sorry, but you cant just claim that race has nothing to do with the murder of Tamir Rice based on nothing but your own impressions/feeling. Police violence against young black people is significantly higher. GH also provided a very useful source. Ignoring this problem is dangerous. On March 05 2015 06:32 JonnyBNoHo wrote:On March 05 2015 06:05 Paljas wrote:On March 05 2015 06:01 RCMDVA wrote:
The Tamir Rice shooting happens so damn fast, I think it could have been a white/asian/hispanic kid and it would have gone the same. He's got a parka on and underneath a gazeebo and the cop car slides through the wet grass/snow before it goes bad. The whole thing lasts 2-4 seconds. I think there is was a break down from the 9-1-1 call taker, to the police dispatcher.. to the cops. The cops were not told he was a boy or had a toy gun, iirc. and how often did something like this happen with a white kid? It happens, sadly. I don't think I can google up an exact match to the situation, but here's a story about a white 19 year old girl shot by officer Wakana Okuma while holding a drill ( link). a tragic case of police brutality, but surley you know the difference between a 12 year old and a 19 year old (who claimed that she would kill her family). Yes, it's in my post: Surely you can read simple sentences  Also, airsoft guns are made to look like real guns. Drills aren't. There are plenty of ways you can turn the details over. But the point remains that white people get shot by police officers too.
way to miss the entrie point. it isnt about an exact match, but a comparable situation. you didnt provide this at all. your ignorance towards the racist police system is part of problem. instead, you chose to blame GH for talking about the issue.
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On March 05 2015 06:59 JonnyBNoHo wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2015 06:57 GreenHorizons wrote:On March 05 2015 06:56 JonnyBNoHo wrote:On March 05 2015 06:52 GreenHorizons wrote:On March 05 2015 06:32 JonnyBNoHo wrote:On March 05 2015 06:05 Paljas wrote:On March 05 2015 06:01 RCMDVA wrote:
The Tamir Rice shooting happens so damn fast, I think it could have been a white/asian/hispanic kid and it would have gone the same. He's got a parka on and underneath a gazeebo and the cop car slides through the wet grass/snow before it goes bad. The whole thing lasts 2-4 seconds. I think there is was a break down from the 9-1-1 call taker, to the police dispatcher.. to the cops. The cops were not told he was a boy or had a toy gun, iirc. and how often did something like this happen with a white kid? It happens, sadly. I don't think I can google up an exact match to the situation, but here's a story about a white 19 year old girl shot by officer Wakana Okuma while holding a drill ( link). Not only does "It happens" not answer the question of "How often" but it also isn't true. You wont find a comparable situation with a white child, and it's not a coincidence.The longer it takes to realize that, the longer the problem persists. Police interaction with mentally unstable people is just another pervasive problem. It accounts for a significant amount of the white as well as black victims of police abuses. Stop it. I know you don't like us whites, but going down that road isn't productive. You were wrong. Simple as that. About what?
"It" doesn't "happen"
You can't find a comparable case of a white child let alone a preteen being shot and killed by police. Nor would you find the police/defense counsel blaming the child.
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On March 05 2015 06:44 Simberto wrote:
But generally speaking, the US police does appear to shoot civilians way too much. This is just something i find incredibly weird that there is not a major upheaval about. The police should not shoot civilians except in very extreme circumstances. In most countries, this works pretty well. But in the US, the police are apparently much more trigger-happy in general.
There is probably also an unrelated racism problem, as the police also appears to have some major institutionalized prejudices going on quite often.
its really not that complicated. more guns are available to civilians in the US and more police officers get gunned down by civilians than most other countries, so the police are more on edge.
also, i find it amusing that a brazilian is commenting on U.S. police. i am sure the police and favelas get along real well in brazil.
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On March 05 2015 07:00 Paljas wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2015 06:53 JonnyBNoHo wrote:On March 05 2015 06:38 Paljas wrote:sorry, but you cant just claim that race has nothing to do with the murder of Tamir Rice based on nothing but your own impressions/feeling. Police violence against young black people is significantly higher. GH also provided a very useful source. Ignoring this problem is dangerous. On March 05 2015 06:32 JonnyBNoHo wrote:On March 05 2015 06:05 Paljas wrote:On March 05 2015 06:01 RCMDVA wrote:
The Tamir Rice shooting happens so damn fast, I think it could have been a white/asian/hispanic kid and it would have gone the same. He's got a parka on and underneath a gazeebo and the cop car slides through the wet grass/snow before it goes bad. The whole thing lasts 2-4 seconds. I think there is was a break down from the 9-1-1 call taker, to the police dispatcher.. to the cops. The cops were not told he was a boy or had a toy gun, iirc. and how often did something like this happen with a white kid? It happens, sadly. I don't think I can google up an exact match to the situation, but here's a story about a white 19 year old girl shot by officer Wakana Okuma while holding a drill ( link). a tragic case of police brutality, but surley you know the difference between a 12 year old and a 19 year old (who claimed that she would kill her family). Yes, it's in my post: I don't think I can google up an exact match to the situation Surely you can read simple sentences Also, airsoft guns are made to look like real guns. Drills aren't. There are plenty of ways you can turn the details over. But the point remains that white people get shot by police officers too. way to miss the entrie point. it isnt about an exact match, but a comparable situation. you didnt provide this at all. your ignorance towards the racist police system is part of problem. instead, you chose to blame GH for talking about the issue.
lmao! Already resorting to personal attacks. So predictable.
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On March 05 2015 07:02 dAPhREAk wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2015 06:44 Simberto wrote:
But generally speaking, the US police does appear to shoot civilians way too much. This is just something i find incredibly weird that there is not a major upheaval about. The police should not shoot civilians except in very extreme circumstances. In most countries, this works pretty well. But in the US, the police are apparently much more trigger-happy in general.
There is probably also an unrelated racism problem, as the police also appears to have some major institutionalized prejudices going on quite often. its really not that complicated. more guns are available to civilians in the US and more police officers get gunned down by civilians than most other countries, so the police are more on edge. also, i find it amusing that a brazilian is commenting on U.S. police. i am sure the police and favelas get along real well in brazil.
These "on edge" arguments are laughable. I would hope we and the world would hold our police to higher standards than the police in the favelas
On March 05 2015 07:03 JonnyBNoHo wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2015 07:00 Paljas wrote:On March 05 2015 06:53 JonnyBNoHo wrote:On March 05 2015 06:38 Paljas wrote:sorry, but you cant just claim that race has nothing to do with the murder of Tamir Rice based on nothing but your own impressions/feeling. Police violence against young black people is significantly higher. GH also provided a very useful source. Ignoring this problem is dangerous. On March 05 2015 06:32 JonnyBNoHo wrote:On March 05 2015 06:05 Paljas wrote:On March 05 2015 06:01 RCMDVA wrote:
The Tamir Rice shooting happens so damn fast, I think it could have been a white/asian/hispanic kid and it would have gone the same. He's got a parka on and underneath a gazeebo and the cop car slides through the wet grass/snow before it goes bad. The whole thing lasts 2-4 seconds. I think there is was a break down from the 9-1-1 call taker, to the police dispatcher.. to the cops. The cops were not told he was a boy or had a toy gun, iirc. and how often did something like this happen with a white kid? It happens, sadly. I don't think I can google up an exact match to the situation, but here's a story about a white 19 year old girl shot by officer Wakana Okuma while holding a drill ( link). a tragic case of police brutality, but surley you know the difference between a 12 year old and a 19 year old (who claimed that she would kill her family). Yes, it's in my post: I don't think I can google up an exact match to the situation Surely you can read simple sentences Also, airsoft guns are made to look like real guns. Drills aren't. There are plenty of ways you can turn the details over. But the point remains that white people get shot by police officers too. way to miss the entrie point. it isnt about an exact match, but a comparable situation. you didnt provide this at all. your ignorance towards the racist police system is part of problem. instead, you chose to blame GH for talking about the issue. lmao! Already resorting to personal attacks. So predictable.
lmao after accusing me of not liking white people?! When as you should know I have had and currently have a white partner. You're more hilarious than usual.
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On March 05 2015 07:03 JonnyBNoHo wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2015 07:00 Paljas wrote:On March 05 2015 06:53 JonnyBNoHo wrote:On March 05 2015 06:38 Paljas wrote:sorry, but you cant just claim that race has nothing to do with the murder of Tamir Rice based on nothing but your own impressions/feeling. Police violence against young black people is significantly higher. GH also provided a very useful source. Ignoring this problem is dangerous. On March 05 2015 06:32 JonnyBNoHo wrote:On March 05 2015 06:05 Paljas wrote:On March 05 2015 06:01 RCMDVA wrote:
The Tamir Rice shooting happens so damn fast, I think it could have been a white/asian/hispanic kid and it would have gone the same. He's got a parka on and underneath a gazeebo and the cop car slides through the wet grass/snow before it goes bad. The whole thing lasts 2-4 seconds. I think there is was a break down from the 9-1-1 call taker, to the police dispatcher.. to the cops. The cops were not told he was a boy or had a toy gun, iirc. and how often did something like this happen with a white kid? It happens, sadly. I don't think I can google up an exact match to the situation, but here's a story about a white 19 year old girl shot by officer Wakana Okuma while holding a drill ( link). a tragic case of police brutality, but surley you know the difference between a 12 year old and a 19 year old (who claimed that she would kill her family). Yes, it's in my post: I don't think I can google up an exact match to the situation Surely you can read simple sentences Also, airsoft guns are made to look like real guns. Drills aren't. There are plenty of ways you can turn the details over. But the point remains that white people get shot by police officers too. way to miss the entrie point. it isnt about an exact match, but a comparable situation. you didnt provide this at all. your ignorance towards the racist police system is part of problem. instead, you chose to blame GH for talking about the issue. lmao! Already resorting to personal attacks. So predictable.
Sorry, where is the personal attack? I think your behaviour is problematic, but didnt attack you on a personal level. (even though your post is borderline trolling)
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I think the whole mentality of police has grown to be very pessimistic and more aggressive. When you dump millions of dollars into arming police to the teeth it affects your attitude. Plus police and people in general seem to think being an officer is a lot more dangerous then it actually is. Another issue I think is that officers deal mostly with criminals or suspected criminals most of their day and I think that tends to change their thinking since they deal mostly with the bad elements of society, and this gets worse as they spend more time on the force.
Part of this is just a side product of people wanting guns and having access be so easy. Guns escalate situations and people make bad decisions all the time (even those trained in those situations). Its not something we can change now since guns are so engrained but if early on in US history they had steered away from them they would not be as prevalent among the civilian population today and police would be pulling out their guns less.
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On March 05 2015 07:06 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2015 07:02 dAPhREAk wrote:On March 05 2015 06:44 Simberto wrote:
But generally speaking, the US police does appear to shoot civilians way too much. This is just something i find incredibly weird that there is not a major upheaval about. The police should not shoot civilians except in very extreme circumstances. In most countries, this works pretty well. But in the US, the police are apparently much more trigger-happy in general.
There is probably also an unrelated racism problem, as the police also appears to have some major institutionalized prejudices going on quite often. its really not that complicated. more guns are available to civilians in the US and more police officers get gunned down by civilians than most other countries, so the police are more on edge. also, i find it amusing that a brazilian is commenting on U.S. police. i am sure the police and favelas get along real well in brazil. These "on edge" arguments are laughable. I would hope we and the world would hold our police to higher standards than the police in the favelas Show nested quote +On March 05 2015 07:03 JonnyBNoHo wrote:On March 05 2015 07:00 Paljas wrote:On March 05 2015 06:53 JonnyBNoHo wrote:On March 05 2015 06:38 Paljas wrote:sorry, but you cant just claim that race has nothing to do with the murder of Tamir Rice based on nothing but your own impressions/feeling. Police violence against young black people is significantly higher. GH also provided a very useful source. Ignoring this problem is dangerous. On March 05 2015 06:32 JonnyBNoHo wrote:On March 05 2015 06:05 Paljas wrote:On March 05 2015 06:01 RCMDVA wrote:
The Tamir Rice shooting happens so damn fast, I think it could have been a white/asian/hispanic kid and it would have gone the same. He's got a parka on and underneath a gazeebo and the cop car slides through the wet grass/snow before it goes bad. The whole thing lasts 2-4 seconds. I think there is was a break down from the 9-1-1 call taker, to the police dispatcher.. to the cops. The cops were not told he was a boy or had a toy gun, iirc. and how often did something like this happen with a white kid? It happens, sadly. I don't think I can google up an exact match to the situation, but here's a story about a white 19 year old girl shot by officer Wakana Okuma while holding a drill ( link). a tragic case of police brutality, but surley you know the difference between a 12 year old and a 19 year old (who claimed that she would kill her family). Yes, it's in my post: I don't think I can google up an exact match to the situation Surely you can read simple sentences Also, airsoft guns are made to look like real guns. Drills aren't. There are plenty of ways you can turn the details over. But the point remains that white people get shot by police officers too. way to miss the entrie point. it isnt about an exact match, but a comparable situation. you didnt provide this at all. your ignorance towards the racist police system is part of problem. instead, you chose to blame GH for talking about the issue. lmao! Already resorting to personal attacks. So predictable. lmao after accusing me of not liking white people?! When as you should know I have had and currently have a white partner. You're more hilarious than usual.
why is it laughable? you don't think a prevalence of guns in our society and violence against officers is contributing to police shootings of civilians?
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A white guy calls a black guy a racist and the black guy responds with "I have white friends". Lmao. We've come a long way.
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On March 05 2015 07:17 Slaughter wrote:
I think the whole mentality of police has grown to be very pessimistic and more aggressive. When you dump millions of dollars into arming police to the teeth it affects your attitude. Plus police and people in general seem to think being an officer is a lot more dangerous then it actually is. Another issue I think is that officers deal mostly with criminals or suspected criminals most of their day and I think that tends to change their thinking since they deal mostly with the bad elements of society, and this gets worse as they spend more time on the force.
Part of this is just a side product of people wanting guns and having access be so easy. Guns escalate situations and people make bad decisions all the time (even those trained in those situations). Its not something we can change now since guns are so engrained but if early on in US history they had steered away from them they would not be as prevalent among the civilian population today and police would be pulling out their guns less.
I'll probably piss off the people who agree with me otherwise, but I don't think guns are that big of a problem. Cops shoot people with knives, screwdrivers, or nothing at all, all 'justified' by the law.
I am a gun owner, though admittedly I feel distinctly less safe doing something like open/conceal carrying in certain predominately white areas than my buddies I shoot with (white guys).
I also certainly don't fantasize about the hero scenarios I read about on forums either. Because I know that if I took down some gunman or terrorist by shooting them there'd be a good chance I ended up getting shot or beaten/roughed up taken into custody by some other 'hero' or the police.
God forbid I was Muslim and after shooting some gunman I said "Allahu Akbar" as a thanking of God for my and others survival.
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On March 05 2015 07:27 heliusx wrote:
A white guy calls a black guy a racist and the black guy responds with "I have white friends". Lmao. We've come a long way.
Seriously LMFAO
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On March 05 2015 07:33 PassiveAce wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2015 07:27 heliusx wrote:
A white guy calls a black guy a racist and the black guy responds with "I have white friends". Lmao. We've come a long way. Seriously LMFAO
I'm not sure I get the joke?
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its just the role reversal thats funny
its always white guys defending themselves from being called racist on the internet by claiming they have black friends
jonny is a well known retard. all arguments with him wind up being funny one way or another
User was warned for this post
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The whole thing is a race issue but its not on the police sides fault. Until that gets confronted then its never going to change. Communities are responsible for alienating their local police departments by villianizeing cops to the point where the kids in poor non white areas don't want to be cops resulting in the only people becoming cops are white middle class people who can't relate to those communities.
This isn't a new issue and isn't some mystery where no one knows the solution. Maybe white people and black people are different culture and community wise.
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On March 05 2015 07:39 PassiveAce wrote:
its just the role reversal thats funny
its always white guys defending themselves from being called racist on the internet by claiming they have black friends
I'm not claiming I have 'a white friend'. Most of my friends are white. My partner is white. I was raised by/around White people. None of that really has anything to do with anything though other than Jonny's baseless assertion that I "don't like white people" (which apparently is ok on TL?)
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