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On March 05 2015 00:23 always_winter wrote:
The Obama-Netanyahu dynamic is quite interesting. On the one hand it's refreshing to see an American leader so strongly retain his own convictions in the face on an incredibly powerful Jewish lobby, on the other I understand Netanyahu's perspective and the nationalist agenda he pursues, which would undoubtedly be more strongly supported by a president from the current GOP.
netanyahu is the extreme case example of "i'm really strong on this one issue therefore my opponents are really weak on this issue."
the impression may be that he's the only israeli leader/politician who cares about the iranian threat and security, because he's out there preaching about it every other day. but not even israeli leftists are soft on iran, they just disagree with netanyahu using the iran issue to distract from pressing domestic problems.
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On March 04 2015 18:48 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2015 17:41 coverpunch wrote:On March 04 2015 15:50 GreenHorizons wrote:On March 04 2015 15:38 coverpunch wrote:On March 04 2015 13:24 GreenHorizons wrote:Like I said, the investigations into the departments are a lot more illuminating than the cases on officers themselves. In Ferguson, Missouri, bias has been so pervasive that city officials sometimes used racial slurs in their emails. President Barack Obama would not stay in office, wrote one city official, since “what black man holds a steady job for four years.”
Black residents were twice as likely as whites to be searched during a routine traffic stop, although they were 26 percent less likely to carry contraband. African-Americans make up 67 percent of the city’s population but constitute 93 percent of its arrests.
Municipal courts heavily favored whites in deciding if cases would be dismissed. And the city used heavy fines to send many impoverished black residents to jail, part of a system that created a debtors’ prison.
Those were among the harsh findings of a Department of Justice civil rights investigation set to be released Wednesday whose contents were previewed to POLITICO by a source familiar with the investigation.
A law enforcement official familiar with the department’s civil rights probe found that the FPD frequently conducted traffic stops without reasonable suspicion and arrested individuals without probable cause.
The source also said that the investigation found Ferguson police routinely employed excessive force and violated the free speech rights of the accused.
The investigation found multiple violations by police of Ferguson residents’ Fourth Amendment rights, as well as significant racial bias within the largely-white force in violation of the 14th Amendment of the U.S. Constitution.
In addition to violations by police, the DOJ focused on the city’s municipal court system, which amassed revenue through excessive ticketing of residents living in or near poverty. The investigation alleges that this practice encouraged police misconduct.
Over 16,000 of Ferguson’s 21,000 residents had outstanding arrest warrants, the majority of which were the result of cases involving minor traffic or housing code violations.
Source While you were on point in highlighting the differences in treatment between black and white citizens in Ferguson, I feel like you really should have emphasized the first part where city officials are using racial slurs in e-mail and speaking badly about President Obama based on their racial prejudices. WTF is up with that. Well as a black American who has had their civil rights violated before, I found the systematic and flagrant abuse of American's (especially black American's) civil and constitutional rights a bit more important than typical right wing chain email rhetoric. I presume the conservatives are just about to rally behind the black population of Ferguson and elsewhere across the country as the government (the police) have been so egregiously violating the constitutional rights we all hold so dear? I presume they would support more reviews of other departments that have high rates of similar complaints to Ferguson? I'm sure conservatives must have something to say about such blatant abuse of Americans at the hands of the government? Do you really see this as a strictly partisan issue? That right-wing people typically use racist language in e-mail chains and don't care about police abuses? I think you could write the same report submitting New York City, San Francisco, or any "liberal" city and it would be just as believable that the police are biased and abuse the rights of black citizens. This thing cuts in a lot of different directions and there's plenty of blame to go around for liberals and left-wingers too. EDIT: BTW, the e-mail chain is important because it makes the racism undeniable. People make the case that it isn't necessarily racist when we are just looking at arrest records, since crime wouldn't necessarily be representative by groups. But when the police use their work e-mail nominally for official government business to send racist jokes, it indicates that the problem runs very deep. Protip for you young people out there - don't send anything on work e-mail that you would be embarrassed to read out loud to your boss or to strangers. You'd be shocked at how many working professionals don't know this. Of course it isn't strictly partisan. I'm not trying to blame anyone (beyond those directly responsible) at the moment. I am just waiting for conservatives (especially the lawyers) to rally behind making sure all Americans are entitled to their Constitutional rights. I have seen outrage after outrage over just about every bit of the Constitution being violated by just about every piece of government, now we have pretty clear indications of the rights of American's being repeatedly stripped and abused by an overzealous racially influenced police force. As for other cities, I've been critical of stop and frisk realities too. Clearly a different manifestation of the same problem. Versions of stop and frisk have been used all over the country to do the same things they were doing in Ferguson. It wasn't/isn't commonplace liberals defending those practices and those statistics as not being emblematic of racial issues with the police/justice system (although some officials of both stripes have sided with their police, despite damning revelations). The point is, anyone who actually gives a shit about the Constitution and due process should be pretty upset about this and the pattern seen elsewhere. I'm just waiting to hear some of that conservative anger about violating the Constitution and American's 1st/4th/14th amendment rights. Some of the anger about police arresting people without probable cause and stopping and searching them without reasonable suspicion. Possibly some anger about the FPD (and others) placing more emphasis on revenue generating offenses than public safety, etc... Maybe even some support for further investigations into the police departments and municipal judicial systems? I have a hard time imagining why conservatives wouldn't support doing something (anything) about the massive pattern of (at least the suspicion of [confirmed in Ferguson]) Constitutional violations against individual citizens. EDIT: Maybe something about how it kind of makes sense why black people would be skeptical of local justice systems too? Probably asking for too much though?
Last I checked the St. Louis area affiliated with liberals and Democrats. Also if you want conservatives on your side, opening up with an attack on them isn't the best way to go about it. More flies with honey, man.
If the report actually says what Politico (which isn't very reputable) is claiming, than changes will need to happen. Tolerance towards overt racism should be very low. Beyond that it'll have to involve a rational discussion of police methods and desired outcomes, rather than emotional outbursts.
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The Alabama Supreme Court on Tuesday night ordered probate judges to stop issuing same-sex marriage licenses, in defiance of an earlier ruling by a federal judge that struck down the state's ban on gay marriage.
"As it has done for approximately two centuries, Alabama law allows for 'marriage' between only one man and one woman," the ruling read. "Alabama probate judges have a ministerial duty not to issue any marriage license contrary to this law. Nothing in the United States Constitution alters or overrides this duty."
Chief Justice Roy Moore, who has been outspoken in his opposition to legalizing gay marriage in Alabama and previously ordered the state's probate judges not to issue same-sex marriage licenses, appeared to have recused himself from the case, according to AL.com.
Probate judges could now choose to file an emergency stay with the U.S. Supreme Court, Ron Krotoszynski, Jr, a University of Alabama law professor, told the news website. He added that the state of same-sex marriages in Alabama could be "chaotic" until the Court makes an expected decision in June on whether gay couples have a right to marry.
Last month, the U.S. Supreme Court denied Alabama's request to halt same-sex marriage in the state pending its own ruling.
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On March 04 2015 15:50 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2015 15:38 coverpunch wrote:On March 04 2015 13:24 GreenHorizons wrote:Like I said, the investigations into the departments are a lot more illuminating than the cases on officers themselves. In Ferguson, Missouri, bias has been so pervasive that city officials sometimes used racial slurs in their emails. President Barack Obama would not stay in office, wrote one city official, since “what black man holds a steady job for four years.”
Black residents were twice as likely as whites to be searched during a routine traffic stop, although they were 26 percent less likely to carry contraband. African-Americans make up 67 percent of the city’s population but constitute 93 percent of its arrests.
Municipal courts heavily favored whites in deciding if cases would be dismissed. And the city used heavy fines to send many impoverished black residents to jail, part of a system that created a debtors’ prison.
Those were among the harsh findings of a Department of Justice civil rights investigation set to be released Wednesday whose contents were previewed to POLITICO by a source familiar with the investigation.
A law enforcement official familiar with the department’s civil rights probe found that the FPD frequently conducted traffic stops without reasonable suspicion and arrested individuals without probable cause.
The source also said that the investigation found Ferguson police routinely employed excessive force and violated the free speech rights of the accused.
The investigation found multiple violations by police of Ferguson residents’ Fourth Amendment rights, as well as significant racial bias within the largely-white force in violation of the 14th Amendment of the U.S. Constitution.
In addition to violations by police, the DOJ focused on the city’s municipal court system, which amassed revenue through excessive ticketing of residents living in or near poverty. The investigation alleges that this practice encouraged police misconduct.
Over 16,000 of Ferguson’s 21,000 residents had outstanding arrest warrants, the majority of which were the result of cases involving minor traffic or housing code violations.
Source While you were on point in highlighting the differences in treatment between black and white citizens in Ferguson, I feel like you really should have emphasized the first part where city officials are using racial slurs in e-mail and speaking badly about President Obama based on their racial prejudices. WTF is up with that. Well as a black American who has had their civil rights violated before, I found the systematic and flagrant abuse of American's (especially black American's) civil and constitutional rights a bit more important than typical right wing chain email rhetoric. I presume the conservatives are just about to rally behind the black population of Ferguson and elsewhere across the country as the government (the police) have been so egregiously violating the constitutional rights we all hold so dear? I presume they would support more reviews of other departments that have high rates of similar complaints to Ferguson? I'm sure conservatives must have something to say about such blatant abuse of Americans at the hands of the government?
In their defense, a lot of conservatives were pretty pissed about the Eric Garner and Tamir Rice cases. Michael Brown is legally and ethically fuzzier, though obviously Ferguson PD has some serious cleaning up to do. Someone get Scott Walker in here! There's union-busting needs doing!
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On March 05 2015 01:49 oneofthem wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2015 00:23 always_winter wrote:
The Obama-Netanyahu dynamic is quite interesting. On the one hand it's refreshing to see an American leader so strongly retain his own convictions in the face on an incredibly powerful Jewish lobby, on the other I understand Netanyahu's perspective and the nationalist agenda he pursues, which would undoubtedly be more strongly supported by a president from the current GOP.
netanyahu is the extreme case example of "i'm really strong on this one issue therefore my opponents are really weak on this issue." the impression may be that he's the only israeli leader/politician who cares about the iranian threat and security, because he's out there preaching about it every other day. but not even israeli leftists are soft on iran, they just disagree with netanyahu using the iran issue to distract from pressing domestic problems.
Agreed, which is coincidentally the motto of a large number of GOP legislators. Imagine if Netanyahu had Bush, McCain or even Romney (who made a very similar, politically-motivated speech in Israel shortly before the 2012 elections) as his American counterpart: he'd achieve a lot more of his nationalist goals.
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Breaking: DOJ will not bring civil rights charges against Darren Wilson.
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On March 05 2015 01:07 Jormundr wrote:
I'm with the republicans here. We need to stop Isran from getting more nuclear weapons.
Then you're not with the Republicans but with Obama.
edit: oops, just saw the other part of your post was probably a jab at Israel, meaning your post was probably sarcastic ,-)
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On March 05 2015 02:14 Yoav wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2015 15:50 GreenHorizons wrote:On March 04 2015 15:38 coverpunch wrote:On March 04 2015 13:24 GreenHorizons wrote:Like I said, the investigations into the departments are a lot more illuminating than the cases on officers themselves. In Ferguson, Missouri, bias has been so pervasive that city officials sometimes used racial slurs in their emails. President Barack Obama would not stay in office, wrote one city official, since “what black man holds a steady job for four years.”
Black residents were twice as likely as whites to be searched during a routine traffic stop, although they were 26 percent less likely to carry contraband. African-Americans make up 67 percent of the city’s population but constitute 93 percent of its arrests.
Municipal courts heavily favored whites in deciding if cases would be dismissed. And the city used heavy fines to send many impoverished black residents to jail, part of a system that created a debtors’ prison.
Those were among the harsh findings of a Department of Justice civil rights investigation set to be released Wednesday whose contents were previewed to POLITICO by a source familiar with the investigation.
A law enforcement official familiar with the department’s civil rights probe found that the FPD frequently conducted traffic stops without reasonable suspicion and arrested individuals without probable cause.
The source also said that the investigation found Ferguson police routinely employed excessive force and violated the free speech rights of the accused.
The investigation found multiple violations by police of Ferguson residents’ Fourth Amendment rights, as well as significant racial bias within the largely-white force in violation of the 14th Amendment of the U.S. Constitution.
In addition to violations by police, the DOJ focused on the city’s municipal court system, which amassed revenue through excessive ticketing of residents living in or near poverty. The investigation alleges that this practice encouraged police misconduct.
Over 16,000 of Ferguson’s 21,000 residents had outstanding arrest warrants, the majority of which were the result of cases involving minor traffic or housing code violations.
Source While you were on point in highlighting the differences in treatment between black and white citizens in Ferguson, I feel like you really should have emphasized the first part where city officials are using racial slurs in e-mail and speaking badly about President Obama based on their racial prejudices. WTF is up with that. Well as a black American who has had their civil rights violated before, I found the systematic and flagrant abuse of American's (especially black American's) civil and constitutional rights a bit more important than typical right wing chain email rhetoric. I presume the conservatives are just about to rally behind the black population of Ferguson and elsewhere across the country as the government (the police) have been so egregiously violating the constitutional rights we all hold so dear? I presume they would support more reviews of other departments that have high rates of similar complaints to Ferguson? I'm sure conservatives must have something to say about such blatant abuse of Americans at the hands of the government? In their defense, a lot of conservatives were pretty pissed about the Eric Garner and Tamir Rice cases. Michael Brown is legally and ethically fuzzier, though obviously Ferguson PD has some serious cleaning up to do. Someone get Scott Walker in here! There's union-busting needs doing!
Wisconsin police are still almost uniformly unionized in a manner like any other state.
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On March 05 2015 02:14 Yoav wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2015 15:50 GreenHorizons wrote:On March 04 2015 15:38 coverpunch wrote:On March 04 2015 13:24 GreenHorizons wrote:Like I said, the investigations into the departments are a lot more illuminating than the cases on officers themselves. In Ferguson, Missouri, bias has been so pervasive that city officials sometimes used racial slurs in their emails. President Barack Obama would not stay in office, wrote one city official, since “what black man holds a steady job for four years.”
Black residents were twice as likely as whites to be searched during a routine traffic stop, although they were 26 percent less likely to carry contraband. African-Americans make up 67 percent of the city’s population but constitute 93 percent of its arrests.
Municipal courts heavily favored whites in deciding if cases would be dismissed. And the city used heavy fines to send many impoverished black residents to jail, part of a system that created a debtors’ prison.
Those were among the harsh findings of a Department of Justice civil rights investigation set to be released Wednesday whose contents were previewed to POLITICO by a source familiar with the investigation.
A law enforcement official familiar with the department’s civil rights probe found that the FPD frequently conducted traffic stops without reasonable suspicion and arrested individuals without probable cause.
The source also said that the investigation found Ferguson police routinely employed excessive force and violated the free speech rights of the accused.
The investigation found multiple violations by police of Ferguson residents’ Fourth Amendment rights, as well as significant racial bias within the largely-white force in violation of the 14th Amendment of the U.S. Constitution.
In addition to violations by police, the DOJ focused on the city’s municipal court system, which amassed revenue through excessive ticketing of residents living in or near poverty. The investigation alleges that this practice encouraged police misconduct.
Over 16,000 of Ferguson’s 21,000 residents had outstanding arrest warrants, the majority of which were the result of cases involving minor traffic or housing code violations.
Source While you were on point in highlighting the differences in treatment between black and white citizens in Ferguson, I feel like you really should have emphasized the first part where city officials are using racial slurs in e-mail and speaking badly about President Obama based on their racial prejudices. WTF is up with that. Well as a black American who has had their civil rights violated before, I found the systematic and flagrant abuse of American's (especially black American's) civil and constitutional rights a bit more important than typical right wing chain email rhetoric. I presume the conservatives are just about to rally behind the black population of Ferguson and elsewhere across the country as the government (the police) have been so egregiously violating the constitutional rights we all hold so dear? I presume they would support more reviews of other departments that have high rates of similar complaints to Ferguson? I'm sure conservatives must have something to say about such blatant abuse of Americans at the hands of the government? In their defense, a lot of conservatives were pretty pissed about the Eric Garner and Tamir Rice cases. Michael Brown is legally and ethically fuzzier, though obviously Ferguson PD has some serious cleaning up to do. Someone get Scott Walker in here! There's union-busting needs doing!
I haven't heard conservatives upset about the police treatment of Tamir Rice? I definitely haven't heard conservatives talk about the role race played with Tamir Rice?
As for Walker he doesn't touch police unions, so I doubt he would be any help.
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The Tamir Rice shooting happens so damn fast, I think it could have been a white/asian/hispanic kid and it would have gone the same. He's got a parka on and underneath a gazeebo and the cop car slides through the wet grass/snow before it goes bad. The whole thing lasts 2-4 seconds. I think there is was a break down from the 9-1-1 call taker, to the police dispatcher.. to the cops. The cops were not told he was a boy or had a toy gun, iirc.
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On March 05 2015 06:01 RCMDVA wrote:
The Tamir Rice shooting happens so damn fast, I think it could have been a white/asian/hispanic kid and it would have gone the same. He's got a parka on and underneath a gazeebo and the cop car slides through the wet grass/snow before it goes bad. The whole thing lasts 2-4 seconds. I think there is was a break down from the 9-1-1 call taker, to the police dispatcher.. to the cops. The cops were not told he was a boy or had a toy gun, iirc.
and how often did something like this happen with a white kid?
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On March 05 2015 06:01 RCMDVA wrote:
The Tamir Rice shooting happens so damn fast, I think it could have been a white/asian/hispanic kid and it would have gone the same. He's got a parka on and underneath a gazeebo and the cop car slides through the wet grass/snow before it goes bad. The whole thing lasts 2-4 seconds. I think there is was a break down from the 9-1-1 call taker, to the police dispatcher.. to the cops. The cops were not told he was a boy or had a toy gun, iirc.
Well we can't know for sure, but we do know the department hired a known incompetent. The suggestion that the police would of gunned down any race of child doesn't sound better. I have never mistaken a 12 year old for a full grown man? We do know that people generally perceive black children as being older and more dangerous than they actually are. That just isn't the case with white, latino or asian children.
In one experiment, students rated the innocence of people ranging from infants to 25-year-olds who were black, white or an unidentified race. The students judged children up to 9 years old as equally innocent regardless of race, but considered black children significantly less innocent than other children in every age group beginning at age 10, the researchers found.
Researchers reviewed police officers’ personnel records to determine use of force while on duty and found that those who dehumanized blacks were more likely to have used force against a black child in custody than officers who did not dehumanize blacks. The study described use of force as takedown or wrist lock; kicking or punching; striking with a blunt object; using a police dog, restraints or hobbling; or using tear gas, electric shock or killing.
The students overestimated the age of blacks by an average of 4.5 years and found them more culpable than whites or Latinos, particularly when the boys were matched with serious crimes, the study found.
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Cops killing children is certainly problematic but the more pervasive problem is the day to day violations of civil/Constitutional rights. Until the role race plays is confronted it will continue to be problematic.
The point is if it was a white kid, the caller would of been more likely to go with their stated suspicion that the gun was a toy, the police would of felt less threatened, and so on.
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The perception thing is lessened by three things imo. The cops were told he was a man with a gun, the kid was 5'7 195 with a parka on, and they roll up on him fast... extremely fast, then the door opens and he drops. 2-4 seconds. Too fast to recognize he was a kid. When they called in the shooting they said 20-year old BM shot. So when he was at their feet they thought he was 20. (might edit this later)
What is going to do the officer in with the Tamir Rice incident are the statments he gave to his CO that he gave Tamir the command 3 times to put his hands up. Nope. I don't think he could have.
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On March 05 2015 06:05 Paljas wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2015 06:01 RCMDVA wrote:
The Tamir Rice shooting happens so damn fast, I think it could have been a white/asian/hispanic kid and it would have gone the same. He's got a parka on and underneath a gazeebo and the cop car slides through the wet grass/snow before it goes bad. The whole thing lasts 2-4 seconds. I think there is was a break down from the 9-1-1 call taker, to the police dispatcher.. to the cops. The cops were not told he was a boy or had a toy gun, iirc. and how often did something like this happen with a white kid?
It happens, sadly. I don't think I can google up an exact match to the situation, but here's a story about a white 19 year old girl shot by officer Wakana Okuma while holding a drill (link).
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the Tamir case is not so much race and more the utter failing of a cop acting wrong is every way possible.
He wasnt told the gun was a toy yet he drives up and comes out of his car right next to a suspect believed to have a gun. Thats just retardedly stupid.
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sorry, but you cant just claim that race has nothing to do with the murder of Tamir Rice based on nothing but your own impressions/feeling.
Police violence against young black people is significantly higher. GH also provided a very useful source.
Ignoring this problem is dangerous.
On March 05 2015 06:32 JonnyBNoHo wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2015 06:05 Paljas wrote:On March 05 2015 06:01 RCMDVA wrote:
The Tamir Rice shooting happens so damn fast, I think it could have been a white/asian/hispanic kid and it would have gone the same. He's got a parka on and underneath a gazeebo and the cop car slides through the wet grass/snow before it goes bad. The whole thing lasts 2-4 seconds. I think there is was a break down from the 9-1-1 call taker, to the police dispatcher.. to the cops. The cops were not told he was a boy or had a toy gun, iirc. and how often did something like this happen with a white kid? It happens, sadly. I don't think I can google up an exact match to the situation, but here's a story about a white 19 year old girl shot by officer Wakana Okuma while holding a drill ( link).
a tragic case of police brutality, but surley you know the difference between a 12 year old and a 19 year old (who claimed that she would kill her family).
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But generally speaking, the US police does appear to shoot civilians way too much. This is just something i find incredibly weird that there is not a major upheaval about. The police should not shoot civilians except in very extreme circumstances. In most countries, this works pretty well. But in the US, the police are apparently much more trigger-happy in general.
There is probably also an unrelated racism problem, as the police also appears to have some major institutionalized prejudices going on quite often.
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On March 05 2015 06:44 Simberto wrote:
But generally speaking, the US police does appear to shoot civilians way too much. This is just something i find incredibly weird that there is not a major upheaval about. The police should not shoot civilians except in very extreme circumstances. In most countries, this works pretty well. But in the US, the police are apparently much more trigger-happy in general.
There is probably also an unrelated racism problem, as the police also appears to have some major institutionalized prejudices going on quite often.
Of course, you are talking about a country in which the police (not even SWAT, just regular police force) drives around in this:
![[image loading]](http://denverandmore.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/tampa-police-tank.jpg)
http://www.esquire.com/news-politics/news/a28322/local-police-tanks/
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On March 05 2015 06:32 JonnyBNoHo wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2015 06:05 Paljas wrote:On March 05 2015 06:01 RCMDVA wrote:
The Tamir Rice shooting happens so damn fast, I think it could have been a white/asian/hispanic kid and it would have gone the same. He's got a parka on and underneath a gazeebo and the cop car slides through the wet grass/snow before it goes bad. The whole thing lasts 2-4 seconds. I think there is was a break down from the 9-1-1 call taker, to the police dispatcher.. to the cops. The cops were not told he was a boy or had a toy gun, iirc. and how often did something like this happen with a white kid? It happens, sadly. I don't think I can google up an exact match to the situation, but here's a story about a white 19 year old girl shot by officer Wakana Okuma while holding a drill ( link).
Not only does "It happens" not answer the question of "How often" but it also isn't true. You wont find a comparable situation with a white child, and it's not a coincidence. The longer it takes to realize that, the longer the problem persists.
Police interaction with mentally unstable people is just another pervasive problem. It accounts for a significant amount of the white as well as black victims of police abuses.
On March 05 2015 06:47 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2015 06:44 Simberto wrote:
But generally speaking, the US police does appear to shoot civilians way too much. This is just something i find incredibly weird that there is not a major upheaval about. The police should not shoot civilians except in very extreme circumstances. In most countries, this works pretty well. But in the US, the police are apparently much more trigger-happy in general.
There is probably also an unrelated racism problem, as the police also appears to have some major institutionalized prejudices going on quite often. Of course, you are talking about a country in which the police (not even SWAT, just regular police force) drives around in this: + Show Spoiler +http://www.esquire.com/news-politics/news/a28322/local-police-tanks/
I wonder how hard the guy who put the "RESCUE" decal on that thing laughed... lol
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On March 05 2015 06:38 Paljas wrote:sorry, but you cant just claim that race has nothing to do with the murder of Tamir Rice based on nothing but your own impressions/feeling. Police violence against young black people is significantly higher. GH also provided a very useful source. Ignoring this problem is dangerous. Show nested quote +On March 05 2015 06:32 JonnyBNoHo wrote:On March 05 2015 06:05 Paljas wrote:On March 05 2015 06:01 RCMDVA wrote:
The Tamir Rice shooting happens so damn fast, I think it could have been a white/asian/hispanic kid and it would have gone the same. He's got a parka on and underneath a gazeebo and the cop car slides through the wet grass/snow before it goes bad. The whole thing lasts 2-4 seconds. I think there is was a break down from the 9-1-1 call taker, to the police dispatcher.. to the cops. The cops were not told he was a boy or had a toy gun, iirc. and how often did something like this happen with a white kid? It happens, sadly. I don't think I can google up an exact match to the situation, but here's a story about a white 19 year old girl shot by officer Wakana Okuma while holding a drill ( link). a tragic case of police brutality, but surley you know the difference between a 12 year old and a 19 year old (who claimed that she would kill her family).
Yes, it's in my post:
I don't think I can google up an exact match to the situation
Surely you can read simple sentences 
Also, airsoft guns are made to look like real guns. Drills aren't. There are plenty of ways you can turn the details over. But the point remains that white people get shot by police officers too.
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