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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
June 25 2014 03:24 GMT
#22661
Cochran wins with less than 6k difference.

Tough battle for the GOP which wasn't a victory in either sense. They dodged a poisoned pill by are now seen, even in strongholds, to need Democratic help in order to keep establishment candidates afloat. Cochran could now easily be seen as a liability for any GOP senator who has to stay to the right come 2016.
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Danglars
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States12133 Posts
June 25 2014 04:24 GMT
#22662
The Tea Party wanted McDaniel to win. There is no consolation that establishment types had to resort to underhanded tactics to defeat him. This is a defeat for the tea party candidate and a victory for the establishment candidate. It's still a long road to changing the face of the party in Washington and toppling seats with heavy name recognition and giant war chests.
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zlefin
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
United States7689 Posts
June 25 2014 04:47 GMT
#22663
I wonder how good/bad incumbency is overall for institutions.

It would be possible to require incumbents to win by some extra margin; that would adjust for the incumbency advantage, whether it would lead to a better system overall is the question.
Great read: http://shorensteincenter.org/news-coverage-2016-general-election/ great book on democracy: http://press.princeton.edu/titles/10671.html zlefin is grumpier due to long term illness. Ignoring some users.
Livelovedie
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States492 Posts
June 25 2014 05:41 GMT
#22664
On June 25 2014 12:24 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Cochran wins with less than 6k difference.

Tough battle for the GOP which wasn't a victory in either sense. They dodged a poisoned pill by are now seen, even in strongholds, to need Democratic help in order to keep establishment candidates afloat. Cochran could now easily be seen as a liability for any GOP senator who has to stay to the right come 2016.

Why do they need democratic help and what democratic help are you implying for Cochran?
oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
June 25 2014 05:45 GMT
#22665
rooting very hard for all tea party candidates.
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
Livelovedie
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States492 Posts
June 25 2014 05:52 GMT
#22666
On June 25 2014 14:45 oneofthem wrote:
rooting very hard for all tea party candidates.

Same.
IgnE
Profile Joined November 2010
United States7681 Posts
June 25 2014 05:57 GMT
#22667
Go tea party go.
The unrealistic sound of these propositions is indicative, not of their utopian character, but of the strength of the forces which prevent their realization.
aksfjh
Profile Joined November 2010
United States4853 Posts
June 25 2014 06:08 GMT
#22668
On June 25 2014 14:41 Livelovedie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 25 2014 12:24 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Cochran wins with less than 6k difference.

Tough battle for the GOP which wasn't a victory in either sense. They dodged a poisoned pill by are now seen, even in strongholds, to need Democratic help in order to keep establishment candidates afloat. Cochran could now easily be seen as a liability for any GOP senator who has to stay to the right come 2016.

Why do they need democratic help and what democratic help are you implying for Cochran?

Black people.
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States24150 Posts
June 25 2014 06:36 GMT
#22669
On June 25 2014 15:08 aksfjh wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 25 2014 14:41 Livelovedie wrote:
On June 25 2014 12:24 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Cochran wins with less than 6k difference.

Tough battle for the GOP which wasn't a victory in either sense. They dodged a poisoned pill by are now seen, even in strongholds, to need Democratic help in order to keep establishment candidates afloat. Cochran could now easily be seen as a liability for any GOP senator who has to stay to the right come 2016.

Why do they need democratic help and what democratic help are you implying for Cochran?

Black people.



Hence the Tea Party Poll watchers... Doesn't look like they were enough to scare away people from voting for Cochran though.

"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
June 25 2014 15:18 GMT
#22670
Bah, mixed day for the US Supreme Court. The good is that cell phone searches require warrants. The bad is that they fucked over Aereo.
farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18866 Posts
June 25 2014 15:21 GMT
#22671
I really didn't see them ruling in Aereo's favor; looking at the company's model as anything other than theft requires a fairly bohemian take on broadcast distribution ethics.
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
June 25 2014 15:34 GMT
#22672
On June 26 2014 00:21 farvacola wrote:
I really didn't see them ruling in Aereo's favor; looking at the company's model as anything other than theft requires a fairly bohemian take on broadcast distribution ethics.

Yeah, I'm not surprised that they did what they did. Still, I really, really want to see the current TV service model be blown apart and replaced with a la carte purchasing.
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
June 25 2014 18:09 GMT
#22673
A federal judge struck down Indiana's ban on same-sex marriage Wednesday, saying it's unconstitutional.

U.S. District Judge Richard Young said the state's ban violates the U.S. Constitution's equal-protection clause in a mixed ruling involving lawsuits from several gay couples.

The Indianapolis Star reports Young did not immediately issue a stay on the ruling, allowing couples to marry immediately.

According to the AP, the Indiana attorney general's office plans to appeal the decision. The ruling could be stayed under appeal.


The 10th Circuit Court of Appeals also ruled on gay marriage Wednesday, saying that Utah cannot ban same-sex marriages.


Source
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
IgnE
Profile Joined November 2010
United States7681 Posts
June 25 2014 18:10 GMT
#22674
On June 26 2014 00:21 farvacola wrote:
I really didn't see them ruling in Aereo's favor; looking at the company's model as anything other than theft requires a fairly bohemian take on broadcast distribution ethics.


Ruling in the Mouse's favor was almost a foregone conclusion. Looking at the Mouse's business model as anything other than egregiously exploitative rent extraction requires a pretty fascist take on information distribution ethics.
The unrealistic sound of these propositions is indicative, not of their utopian character, but of the strength of the forces which prevent their realization.
farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18866 Posts
June 25 2014 18:15 GMT
#22675
Keeping in mind that I'm fairly certain that you aren't alluding to Disney or the animated 1957 Peter Sellers delight The Mouse That Roared, you lost me.
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
IgnE
Profile Joined November 2010
United States7681 Posts
June 25 2014 18:19 GMT
#22676
Disney was one of the plaintiffs. Disney has a long history building up copyright as a bulwark of the rentier class. Not sure why you don't think I'm alluding to Disney.
The unrealistic sound of these propositions is indicative, not of their utopian character, but of the strength of the forces which prevent their realization.
oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
June 25 2014 18:26 GMT
#22677
disney knows what's up.
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18866 Posts
June 25 2014 18:28 GMT
#22678
Seems more meaningful to zoom out a bit in this case; there are plenty of situations in which Disney acted uniquely and alone with which to levy an attack against the mouse. In this instance, broadcasters at large are exposing their antiquated practices.
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
IgnE
Profile Joined November 2010
United States7681 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-06-25 18:38:29
June 25 2014 18:37 GMT
#22679
And if cable, aka Disney, had decided fuck it, we don't care about pursuing this case, do you think we would have had the same result with only NBC and CBS as plaintiffs? I bet maybe this case goes differently.

On the other hand if you want to say the Mouse isn't the only bad guy, then I fully agree with you.
The unrealistic sound of these propositions is indicative, not of their utopian character, but of the strength of the forces which prevent their realization.
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States24150 Posts
June 25 2014 18:41 GMT
#22680
Yeah pretty sure traditional TV is just going to be replaced with a more a la cart style internet option. Basically iTunes for shows/movies.

The smarter content makers will probably try some 'subscription to studio' type model. (I highly advocate this for franchises like EA in video games). Where by subscribing to a content producer you would get a discounted rate vs purchasing individual shows from that creator.

Otherwise there will probably be several options pursued. Of course if Net neutrality loses out than Comcast will be able to more or less control the end price for users to use alternative services by raising the cost for the content provider to deliver their content.

But yeah basically what we are seeing is the movie/TV industry dealing with increased bandwidth which makes shows take as long as MP3's used to take to DL, combined with more reliable delivery methods (Not Napster virus songs). I expect the industry to do basically what the music industry did but more stubborn and better thought out.
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
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