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Read the rules in the OP before posting, please.

In order to ensure that this thread continues to meet TL standards and follows the proper guidelines, we will be enforcing the rules in the OP more strictly. Be sure to give them a re-read to refresh your memory! The vast majority of you are contributing in a healthy way, keep it up!

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farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18831 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-06-21 01:42:37
June 21 2014 01:39 GMT
#22581
You do realize that "monkey trial" carries with it the connotation of a show trial meant to bring attention to some important topic? I doubt you think these investigations have any relevance whatsoever so "monkey trial" doesn't really fit your aims methinks.
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
zlefin
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
United States7689 Posts
June 21 2014 01:42 GMT
#22582
It also doesn't sound like a trumped charge; but a question on the margins of the campaign finance laws. There's pretty much always grey area around laws; and lawyers and politicians love to skirt those margins to take advantage of them.

Too bad all my watching of cspan doesn't give me an automatic government job; they should hand those out to anyone who willingly watches cspan
Great read: http://shorensteincenter.org/news-coverage-2016-general-election/ great book on democracy: http://press.princeton.edu/titles/10671.html zlefin is grumpier due to long term illness. Ignoring some users.
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States23268 Posts
June 21 2014 02:26 GMT
#22583
On June 21 2014 10:33 xDaunt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 21 2014 09:42 oneofthem wrote:
forgive me for not getting worked up about some politicized monkey trial when there are actual problems out there.

Walker is an important figure in the Republican Party, so it matters what happens to him. But yes, this investigation into him has all of the stink of a trumped up, politicized, monkey trial, which is why nothing is going to happen to him.



Trumped up, politicized, monkey ________. Have pretty much been the only thing going on domestically since Obama was elected.

Do conservatives not like it when it's turned around on them?
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
June 21 2014 03:04 GMT
#22584
o i was talking about the irs thing
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
IgnE
Profile Joined November 2010
United States7681 Posts
June 21 2014 03:25 GMT
#22585
On June 20 2014 17:55 mcc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 20 2014 05:36 Jormundr wrote:
On June 20 2014 05:09 Wegandi wrote:
On June 20 2014 03:04 Nyxisto wrote:
On June 20 2014 02:52 dAPhREAk wrote:
On June 19 2014 09:52 SnipedSoul wrote:
A free market only exists if there's someone to enforce it and ensure it remains fair. Left to their own devices, corporations would immediately begin colluding, price fixing, and creating exclusive territories to avoid competition.

i've never understood the hard on people have for condemning corporations. its people who are corrupt, not corporations, which are legal fictions. even if the world banned corporations and all other legal entities (LLC, LLP, partnerships, etc.), we would be in the exact same position.


No one is "condemning corporations". We all know that without companies we wouldn't have a place to work. What people are pointing out is that if two much money is in the hand of two few and there is to little oversight by the (hopefully functional) governmental institutions, bad things tend to happen for the majority of people. Another big point of criticism was that the so adored libertarianism by a surprising amount of people here plays exactly into the hands of "crony corporations".


You couldn't be more wrong. As evidence, the New Leftist Gabriel Kolko showed in Triumph of Conservatism how Progressivism has been the useful idiot for Corporate power and privilege, not libertarianism who by way of fact are its main adversary (of which he also shows). At no other time in American history has competition and accordingly standards of living risen more than the period of 1890 to the early 1900s before the Progressive Era began. Of course, it wasn't perfect, and I fully expect you to implore the Nirvana Fallacy to shore up your rationalizations.

I guess you would think that after reading ToC, but all of those points have been debunked by Danni Salvatrix in The Lusty Argonian Maid. In case you haven't caught on, telling people to believe in your ideology and then read your book does not really make for a good argument. -->YOU<-- need to present your argument, either by presenting the points from the book yourself or by presenting at the very least an abstract of the arguments contained within and their relevance to the current discussion.

Edit:
Apparently it's also the first rule in the OP and you've done this twice now.

This is standard operating procedure for disciples of Mises, Rothbard and co. Point to a book claiming it proves everything they claim. Afterwards point to a historical event and claim that this one instance exactly shows that they are correct. Of course nicely ignoring the difference between correlation and causation, or as in this case there is even no correlation as one event does not correlation make. But the obsession with the book pointing is quite understandable considering their rejection of any empirical method as a way to gain knowledge. Which is ironic considering how they like to point to empirical evidence if it accidentally agrees with them. Basically they are religious movement of sorts.


Wegandi is a bewildering dude. It's a fantasy to think that libertarianism opposes corporate power. Painting the early 19th century as some kind of paradisical Lockean society where the masses were thriving in a highly competitive corporate business market is a pretty twisted view. Those years actually saw the unceremonious gutting of the right to live and the subsequent enshrinement of the right to sell your labor. If you can sell yourself on the market for a high enough wage good for you. If you can't too bad for you. Go somewhere else.
The unrealistic sound of these propositions is indicative, not of their utopian character, but of the strength of the forces which prevent their realization.
IgnE
Profile Joined November 2010
United States7681 Posts
June 21 2014 03:39 GMT
#22586
Someone should post an Alice v CLS news story.

http://patentlyo.com/patent/2014/06/claims-invalid-section.html

A murky step forward.

Also jonny your blog post with the Amazon photography patent misses the point. If people understood other technical areas they woul realize that that is a fairly typical patent. People just understand photography and see the title without understanding that the patent is basically worthless anyway. No point in getting outraged about it. It's fairly standard PTO fare given how pro-patent the caselaw in this country is.
The unrealistic sound of these propositions is indicative, not of their utopian character, but of the strength of the forces which prevent their realization.
zlefin
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
United States7689 Posts
June 21 2014 04:27 GMT
#22587
Neat fact: American civilians own more firearms than all the armed forces of the world combined.

http://www.smallarmssurvey.org/fileadmin/docs/H-Research_Notes/SAS-Research-Note-9.pdf
Great read: http://shorensteincenter.org/news-coverage-2016-general-election/ great book on democracy: http://press.princeton.edu/titles/10671.html zlefin is grumpier due to long term illness. Ignoring some users.
zlefin
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
United States7689 Posts
June 21 2014 04:44 GMT
#22588
Wow, watching republican assholes on this IRS thing on hearings; their behavior is terrible. They're openly insulting the guy who was brought in to fix the problem; and generally behaving terrible in their questions.
These guys should be disbarred if they're lawyers; behavior like this would get you jailed for contempt of court.
Great read: http://shorensteincenter.org/news-coverage-2016-general-election/ great book on democracy: http://press.princeton.edu/titles/10671.html zlefin is grumpier due to long term illness. Ignoring some users.
ElMeanYo
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1032 Posts
June 21 2014 04:48 GMT
#22589
On June 21 2014 13:27 zlefin wrote:
Neat fact: American civilians own more firearms than all the armed forces of the world combined.

http://www.smallarmssurvey.org/fileadmin/docs/H-Research_Notes/SAS-Research-Note-9.pdf


Yes. Don't fucking mess with us.
“The only man who never makes mistakes is the man who never does anything.” ― Theodore Roosevelt
Introvert
Profile Joined April 2011
United States4789 Posts
June 21 2014 05:56 GMT
#22590
That is a neat fact! It warms my heart a little
"It is therefore only at the birth of a society that one can be completely logical in the laws. When you see a people enjoying this advantage, do not hasten to conclude that it is wise; think rather that it is young." -Alexis de Tocqueville
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States23268 Posts
June 21 2014 06:04 GMT
#22591
On June 21 2014 14:56 Introvert wrote:
That is a neat fact! It warms my heart a little


Mine too! If there is something we will always be number one in it's civilian guns per capita. Contributing to that fact is probably the closest I'll come to having a world record Not much, but I'll take it.
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States42870 Posts
June 21 2014 06:28 GMT
#22592
Prisoners per capita is a pretty huge lead over the 2nd place too. China ain't got shit on you.
ModeratorThe angels have the phone box
Shiragaku
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Hong Kong4308 Posts
June 21 2014 07:57 GMT
#22593
GO SEYCHELLES!!!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_incarceration_rate

It would be interesting to see why the incarceration rate for that country is so high.
Nyxisto
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany6287 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-06-21 23:14:43
June 21 2014 23:13 GMT
#22594
On June 21 2014 16:57 Shiragaku wrote:
GO SEYCHELLES!!!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_incarceration_rate

It would be interesting to see why the incarceration rate for that country is so high.


Well there are only 90k people living there, probably just an anomaly. But the United States incarceration rate really is sick.

Related:
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/texas-teenager-faces-up-to-99-years-in-jail-for-baking-and-selling-pot-brownies-9553747.html
farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18831 Posts
June 21 2014 23:16 GMT
#22595
Texas is a scary place for folks looking to get high.
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
Nyxisto
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany6287 Posts
June 21 2014 23:27 GMT
#22596
The most ridiculous part is that it seems like they're charging him with the weight of the brownies. If I hide 10 grams of heroin in Texas in a 20 pound sandbag, are they going to charge me for 20 pounds of heroin? :o
farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18831 Posts
June 21 2014 23:31 GMT
#22597
Yeah it's because a number of states still adhere to archaic definitions of narcotics; the perp having used hash in his production of the brownies, in the eyes of the state of Texas, turns those brownies into the same thing as black tar heroin. It would be funny if it weren't destroying people's lives.
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
Paljas
Profile Joined October 2011
Germany6926 Posts
June 21 2014 23:39 GMT
#22598
On June 22 2014 08:27 Nyxisto wrote:
The most ridiculous part is that it seems like they're charging him with the weight of the brownies. If I hide 10 grams of heroin in Texas in a 20 pound sandbag, are they going to charge me for 20 pounds of heroin? :o

imo the worst part is that his neighbour alerted the cops, cause he was smelling marijuana.
TL+ Member
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States23268 Posts
June 22 2014 00:06 GMT
#22599
On June 22 2014 08:39 Paljas wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 22 2014 08:27 Nyxisto wrote:
The most ridiculous part is that it seems like they're charging him with the weight of the brownies. If I hide 10 grams of heroin in Texas in a 20 pound sandbag, are they going to charge me for 20 pounds of heroin? :o

imo the worst part is that his neighbour alerted the cops, cause he was smelling marijuana.


Yeah the DEA really just acts like an enforcing arm for specific suppliers. If it's not overcharging the living crap out of some person in possession it's hitting competing suppliers based off intel from 'approved' suppliers.

Cannabis laws are yet another place where the non-fact pattern has ruled supreme for generations.

Like was said before, it would be a joke if they weren't intentionally ruining peoples lives far worse than the drugs they had ever would. (Cannabis)
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
Nyxisto
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany6287 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-06-22 00:12:27
June 22 2014 00:09 GMT
#22600
can't someone just run in Texas and campaign for getting rid of these draconian punishments and ridiculous laws? Or is the majority of people in Texas actually supporting this nonsense?
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