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On June 19 2014 04:29 Jormundr wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2014 04:18 xDaunt wrote:On June 19 2014 04:13 mcc wrote:On June 19 2014 03:33 xDaunt wrote:On June 19 2014 03:24 Nyxisto wrote:On June 19 2014 03:12 xDaunt wrote:On June 19 2014 03:06 Gorsameth wrote:On June 19 2014 03:02 xDaunt wrote:On June 19 2014 02:59 JonnyBNoHo wrote:On June 19 2014 02:45 Nyxisto wrote:
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Please put this in a context in which is sounds less ridiculous. I think he's retardedly misunderstood because he's probably legitimately retarded. In every other civilized country this man wouldn't even get a job at a fast food restaurant. I don't listen to him but I do think he trolls a lot. No kidding. That's his job. He's not a politician. He's a radio personality. It doesn't change the fact that he does a better job communicating conservative ideals than any current politician does and that his conservative ideas are more influential than any conservative politician's. And yet this "troll" is the best conservative leader they have. Shows the state of the movement, and if that's the sort of thing its followers want to hear I can see why. You know this whole "Candidates destroy themselves trying to appease the bigot base" happens because people like Limbaugh spoon feed these dumb smucks right? No, I disagree. The problem is that conservatives have been without a sufficiently talented politician to lead the movement since first term W. As soon as one shows up, the ship will right itself. We'll just have to see what happens. My prediction has been that someone from the libertarian ranks will be next big conservative politician and help reshape the movement. The problem aren't politicians, the problem is the ideology. As long as the gop doesn't come up with something better than "less government!! Free market is awesome!" and "we don't really like gay people and stupid atheists" this party is not going to convince a majority of the population. No, the problem isn't the core ideology. Let's play a little game. Who can articulate the conservative argument for allowing gay marriage? There are no conservative arguments for such. There are libertarian ones, but libertarians are not really conservatives. I disagree. Government (particularly federal) minimalism are important tenants of both libertarians and conservatives. There's also significant liberal support for it in certain aspects. This is why Rand Paul is the most interesting republican politician to watch right now. He's looking to bridge the gap between these different groups using this libertarian flag. I don't know if he'll be the one to do it, but someone will. Correction, Government minimalism are part of the RHETORIC of both libertarians and conservatives. Conservatives don't support limited government, they just support the status quo of crony capitalism. In the spirit of such, they want to deregulate some things while adding more regulations elsewhere. This does not make them different from the liberal POV, they just take different sides on different issues. Libertarians haven't really carried out any of their rhetoric (not that they've had a chance to) so it remains to be seen whether its anything more than such.
You think the conservative base doesn't realize this? Why do you think Cantor was kicked out of office? Why do you think Romney got less votes than McCain of all people?
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On June 19 2014 04:34 Nyxisto wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2014 04:31 GreenHorizons wrote:
So either Gay Marriage bans aren't conservative policy or people advocating them aren't really conservatives, yet here we are... Yeah, this. In reality the majority of people who call themselves conservatives are bigots when it comes to topic like gay marriage, drug policy, or law enforcement. It doesn't really matter if you argue that this isn't real conservatism, but in the end it is what it is and many "conservatives" support these backward policies.
whats the backward policy on law enforcement?
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On June 19 2014 04:31 mcc wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2014 04:18 xDaunt wrote:On June 19 2014 04:13 mcc wrote:On June 19 2014 03:33 xDaunt wrote:On June 19 2014 03:24 Nyxisto wrote:On June 19 2014 03:12 xDaunt wrote:On June 19 2014 03:06 Gorsameth wrote:On June 19 2014 03:02 xDaunt wrote:On June 19 2014 02:59 JonnyBNoHo wrote:On June 19 2014 02:45 Nyxisto wrote:
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Please put this in a context in which is sounds less ridiculous. I think he's retardedly misunderstood because he's probably legitimately retarded. In every other civilized country this man wouldn't even get a job at a fast food restaurant. I don't listen to him but I do think he trolls a lot. No kidding. That's his job. He's not a politician. He's a radio personality. It doesn't change the fact that he does a better job communicating conservative ideals than any current politician does and that his conservative ideas are more influential than any conservative politician's. And yet this "troll" is the best conservative leader they have. Shows the state of the movement, and if that's the sort of thing its followers want to hear I can see why. You know this whole "Candidates destroy themselves trying to appease the bigot base" happens because people like Limbaugh spoon feed these dumb smucks right? No, I disagree. The problem is that conservatives have been without a sufficiently talented politician to lead the movement since first term W. As soon as one shows up, the ship will right itself. We'll just have to see what happens. My prediction has been that someone from the libertarian ranks will be next big conservative politician and help reshape the movement. The problem aren't politicians, the problem is the ideology. As long as the gop doesn't come up with something better than "less government!! Free market is awesome!" and "we don't really like gay people and stupid atheists" this party is not going to convince a majority of the population. No, the problem isn't the core ideology. Let's play a little game. Who can articulate the conservative argument for allowing gay marriage? There are no conservative arguments for such. There are libertarian ones, but libertarians are not really conservatives. I disagree. Government (particularly federal) minimalism are important tenants of both libertarians and conservatives. There's also significant liberal support for it in certain aspects. This is why Rand Paul is the most interesting republican politician to watch right now. He's looking to bridge the gap between these different groups using this libertarian flag. I don't know if he'll be the one to do it, but someone will. Conservatives as the name suggests are for status quo especially on social issues. I am distinguishing between Republicans and conservatives as parties in US are just mishmash of very strange bedmates. So no, among conservatives the wish for smaller government is overridden in social issues, because they are ... conservatives.
Those would be "social conservatives," which would be a part of the conservative base. Not all conservatives subscribe to the same social platform, which seems to be very commonly lost in the debates around here.
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On June 19 2014 04:37 dAPhREAk wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2014 04:34 Nyxisto wrote:On June 19 2014 04:31 GreenHorizons wrote:
So either Gay Marriage bans aren't conservative policy or people advocating them aren't really conservatives, yet here we are... Yeah, this. In reality the majority of people who call themselves conservatives are bigots when it comes to topic like gay marriage, drug policy, or law enforcement. It doesn't really matter if you argue that this isn't real conservatism, but in the end it is what it is and many "conservatives" support these backward policies. whats the backward policy on law enforcement?
warrant-less searches, overarching surveillance, completely over the top punishments, stuff like that. Many conservatives seem to support these kinds of things. It's a little ironic that the 'land of the free' has more people in prison than China.(in absolute numbers, no less)
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On June 19 2014 04:41 Nyxisto wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2014 04:37 dAPhREAk wrote:On June 19 2014 04:34 Nyxisto wrote:On June 19 2014 04:31 GreenHorizons wrote:
So either Gay Marriage bans aren't conservative policy or people advocating them aren't really conservatives, yet here we are... Yeah, this. In reality the majority of people who call themselves conservatives are bigots when it comes to topic like gay marriage, drug policy, or law enforcement. It doesn't really matter if you argue that this isn't real conservatism, but in the end it is what it is and many "conservatives" support these backward policies. whats the backward policy on law enforcement? warrant-less searches, overarching surveillance, completely over the top punishments, stuff like that. Many conservatives seem to support these kinds of things. It's a little ironic that the 'land of the free' has more people in prison than China.(in absolute numbers, no less)
lets not confuse american policy with conservative policy. the administration under Obama has been the worst offender according to the ACLU. i don't think you can say conservatives love it, but liberals hate it.
https://www.aclu.org/blog/national-security-technology-and-liberty/new-justice-department-documents-show-huge-increase
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On June 19 2014 04:45 dAPhREAk wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2014 04:41 Nyxisto wrote:On June 19 2014 04:37 dAPhREAk wrote:On June 19 2014 04:34 Nyxisto wrote:On June 19 2014 04:31 GreenHorizons wrote:
So either Gay Marriage bans aren't conservative policy or people advocating them aren't really conservatives, yet here we are... Yeah, this. In reality the majority of people who call themselves conservatives are bigots when it comes to topic like gay marriage, drug policy, or law enforcement. It doesn't really matter if you argue that this isn't real conservatism, but in the end it is what it is and many "conservatives" support these backward policies. whats the backward policy on law enforcement? warrant-less searches, overarching surveillance, completely over the top punishments, stuff like that. Many conservatives seem to support these kinds of things. It's a little ironic that the 'land of the free' has more people in prison than China.(in absolute numbers, no less) lets not confuse american policy with conservative policy. the administration under Obama has been the worst offender according to the ACLU. i don't think you can say conservatives love it, but liberals hate it. https://www.aclu.org/blog/national-security-technology-and-liberty/new-justice-department-documents-show-huge-increase
Yeah, I guess it's a little unfair to only attribute that to conservatives. But it definitely is in contrast to all the individual liberty talk that especially conservatives seem to have written on their banners. I just don't understand that in general. I mean, even Russia doesn't use capital punishment anymore, why is it still happening in the US : (
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On June 19 2014 04:52 Nyxisto wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2014 04:45 dAPhREAk wrote:On June 19 2014 04:41 Nyxisto wrote:On June 19 2014 04:37 dAPhREAk wrote:On June 19 2014 04:34 Nyxisto wrote:On June 19 2014 04:31 GreenHorizons wrote:
So either Gay Marriage bans aren't conservative policy or people advocating them aren't really conservatives, yet here we are... Yeah, this. In reality the majority of people who call themselves conservatives are bigots when it comes to topic like gay marriage, drug policy, or law enforcement. It doesn't really matter if you argue that this isn't real conservatism, but in the end it is what it is and many "conservatives" support these backward policies. whats the backward policy on law enforcement? warrant-less searches, overarching surveillance, completely over the top punishments, stuff like that. Many conservatives seem to support these kinds of things. It's a little ironic that the 'land of the free' has more people in prison than China.(in absolute numbers, no less) lets not confuse american policy with conservative policy. the administration under Obama has been the worst offender according to the ACLU. i don't think you can say conservatives love it, but liberals hate it. https://www.aclu.org/blog/national-security-technology-and-liberty/new-justice-department-documents-show-huge-increase Yeah, I guess it's a little unfair to only attribute that to conservatives. But it definitely is in contrast to all the individual liberty talk that especially conservatives seem to have written on their banners. I just don't understand that in general. I mean, even Russia doesn't use capital punishment anymore, why is it still happening in the US : (
i honestly believe it is because we are scared little children. scared of terrorist attacks. scared of change to our judicial system. scared of "them," which is normally a different ethnic, minority group that threatens us (in our minds at least). its a sad state of affairs.
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Sadly, with the 2 party system I can't see an intelligent politician like Angela Merkel or Stephen Harper making it through the primaries to come up the center-right and be electable on the national level.
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I'd be fine with the state abolishing marriage altogether... it discriminates against single people.
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On June 19 2014 04:29 Jormundr wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2014 04:18 xDaunt wrote:On June 19 2014 04:13 mcc wrote:On June 19 2014 03:33 xDaunt wrote:On June 19 2014 03:24 Nyxisto wrote:On June 19 2014 03:12 xDaunt wrote:On June 19 2014 03:06 Gorsameth wrote:On June 19 2014 03:02 xDaunt wrote:On June 19 2014 02:59 JonnyBNoHo wrote:On June 19 2014 02:45 Nyxisto wrote:
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Please put this in a context in which is sounds less ridiculous. I think he's retardedly misunderstood because he's probably legitimately retarded. In every other civilized country this man wouldn't even get a job at a fast food restaurant. I don't listen to him but I do think he trolls a lot. No kidding. That's his job. He's not a politician. He's a radio personality. It doesn't change the fact that he does a better job communicating conservative ideals than any current politician does and that his conservative ideas are more influential than any conservative politician's. And yet this "troll" is the best conservative leader they have. Shows the state of the movement, and if that's the sort of thing its followers want to hear I can see why. You know this whole "Candidates destroy themselves trying to appease the bigot base" happens because people like Limbaugh spoon feed these dumb smucks right? No, I disagree. The problem is that conservatives have been without a sufficiently talented politician to lead the movement since first term W. As soon as one shows up, the ship will right itself. We'll just have to see what happens. My prediction has been that someone from the libertarian ranks will be next big conservative politician and help reshape the movement. The problem aren't politicians, the problem is the ideology. As long as the gop doesn't come up with something better than "less government!! Free market is awesome!" and "we don't really like gay people and stupid atheists" this party is not going to convince a majority of the population. No, the problem isn't the core ideology. Let's play a little game. Who can articulate the conservative argument for allowing gay marriage? There are no conservative arguments for such. There are libertarian ones, but libertarians are not really conservatives. I disagree. Government (particularly federal) minimalism are important tenants of both libertarians and conservatives. There's also significant liberal support for it in certain aspects. This is why Rand Paul is the most interesting republican politician to watch right now. He's looking to bridge the gap between these different groups using this libertarian flag. I don't know if he'll be the one to do it, but someone will. Correction, Government minimalism are part of the RHETORIC of both libertarians and conservatives. Conservatives don't support limited government, they just support the status quo of crony capitalism. In the spirit of such, they want to deregulate some things while adding more regulations elsewhere. This does not make them different from the liberal POV, they just take different sides on different issues. Libertarians haven't really carried out any of their rhetoric (not that they've had a chance to) so it remains to be seen whether its anything more than such.
Crony capitalism is more at odds with conservatives than liberals, who are more comfortable with government and business intermixing.
In any case, crony capitalism has more or less been on the wane for decades.
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On June 19 2014 06:34 JonnyBNoHo wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2014 04:29 Jormundr wrote:On June 19 2014 04:18 xDaunt wrote:On June 19 2014 04:13 mcc wrote:On June 19 2014 03:33 xDaunt wrote:On June 19 2014 03:24 Nyxisto wrote:On June 19 2014 03:12 xDaunt wrote:On June 19 2014 03:06 Gorsameth wrote:On June 19 2014 03:02 xDaunt wrote:On June 19 2014 02:59 JonnyBNoHo wrote:
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I don't listen to him but I do think he trolls a lot. No kidding. That's his job. He's not a politician. He's a radio personality. It doesn't change the fact that he does a better job communicating conservative ideals than any current politician does and that his conservative ideas are more influential than any conservative politician's. And yet this "troll" is the best conservative leader they have. Shows the state of the movement, and if that's the sort of thing its followers want to hear I can see why. You know this whole "Candidates destroy themselves trying to appease the bigot base" happens because people like Limbaugh spoon feed these dumb smucks right? No, I disagree. The problem is that conservatives have been without a sufficiently talented politician to lead the movement since first term W. As soon as one shows up, the ship will right itself. We'll just have to see what happens. My prediction has been that someone from the libertarian ranks will be next big conservative politician and help reshape the movement. The problem aren't politicians, the problem is the ideology. As long as the gop doesn't come up with something better than "less government!! Free market is awesome!" and "we don't really like gay people and stupid atheists" this party is not going to convince a majority of the population. No, the problem isn't the core ideology. Let's play a little game. Who can articulate the conservative argument for allowing gay marriage? There are no conservative arguments for such. There are libertarian ones, but libertarians are not really conservatives. I disagree. Government (particularly federal) minimalism are important tenants of both libertarians and conservatives. There's also significant liberal support for it in certain aspects. This is why Rand Paul is the most interesting republican politician to watch right now. He's looking to bridge the gap between these different groups using this libertarian flag. I don't know if he'll be the one to do it, but someone will. Correction, Government minimalism are part of the RHETORIC of both libertarians and conservatives. Conservatives don't support limited government, they just support the status quo of crony capitalism. In the spirit of such, they want to deregulate some things while adding more regulations elsewhere. This does not make them different from the liberal POV, they just take different sides on different issues. Libertarians haven't really carried out any of their rhetoric (not that they've had a chance to) so it remains to be seen whether its anything more than such. Crony capitalism is more at odds with conservatives than liberals, who are more comfortable with government and business intermixing. In any case, crony capitalism has more or less been on the wane for decades.
I don't know why you'd say it's on the wane. If anything, it is worse now than it has been in a long time, hence the growing populist movements in both parties.
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So how about that ISIS incident occurring these days? Any idea/opinion on whether or not the USA will get involved?
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On June 19 2014 06:41 Xiphos wrote:
So how about that ISIS incident occurring these days? Any idea/opinion on whether or not the USA will get involved?
I don't think there will be any more than symbolic intervention. It is a combination of not having a pro-west dog in the race and the idea of throwing good money after bad. Thus, there is very little political willpower to get involved.
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On June 19 2014 06:41 Xiphos wrote:
So how about that ISIS incident occurring these days? Any idea/opinion on whether or not the USA will get involved?
US wont directly intervene. Hope Iran solves the problem. If ISIS get to close to winning the US may drop some bombs since just letting them gain control of Iraq would be dangerous
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On June 19 2014 06:34 JonnyBNoHo wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2014 04:29 Jormundr wrote:On June 19 2014 04:18 xDaunt wrote:On June 19 2014 04:13 mcc wrote:On June 19 2014 03:33 xDaunt wrote:On June 19 2014 03:24 Nyxisto wrote:On June 19 2014 03:12 xDaunt wrote:On June 19 2014 03:06 Gorsameth wrote:On June 19 2014 03:02 xDaunt wrote:On June 19 2014 02:59 JonnyBNoHo wrote:
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I don't listen to him but I do think he trolls a lot. No kidding. That's his job. He's not a politician. He's a radio personality. It doesn't change the fact that he does a better job communicating conservative ideals than any current politician does and that his conservative ideas are more influential than any conservative politician's. And yet this "troll" is the best conservative leader they have. Shows the state of the movement, and if that's the sort of thing its followers want to hear I can see why. You know this whole "Candidates destroy themselves trying to appease the bigot base" happens because people like Limbaugh spoon feed these dumb smucks right? No, I disagree. The problem is that conservatives have been without a sufficiently talented politician to lead the movement since first term W. As soon as one shows up, the ship will right itself. We'll just have to see what happens. My prediction has been that someone from the libertarian ranks will be next big conservative politician and help reshape the movement. The problem aren't politicians, the problem is the ideology. As long as the gop doesn't come up with something better than "less government!! Free market is awesome!" and "we don't really like gay people and stupid atheists" this party is not going to convince a majority of the population. No, the problem isn't the core ideology. Let's play a little game. Who can articulate the conservative argument for allowing gay marriage? There are no conservative arguments for such. There are libertarian ones, but libertarians are not really conservatives. I disagree. Government (particularly federal) minimalism are important tenants of both libertarians and conservatives. There's also significant liberal support for it in certain aspects. This is why Rand Paul is the most interesting republican politician to watch right now. He's looking to bridge the gap between these different groups using this libertarian flag. I don't know if he'll be the one to do it, but someone will. Correction, Government minimalism are part of the RHETORIC of both libertarians and conservatives. Conservatives don't support limited government, they just support the status quo of crony capitalism. In the spirit of such, they want to deregulate some things while adding more regulations elsewhere. This does not make them different from the liberal POV, they just take different sides on different issues. Libertarians haven't really carried out any of their rhetoric (not that they've had a chance to) so it remains to be seen whether its anything more than such. Crony capitalism is more at odds with conservatives than liberals, who are more comfortable with government and business intermixing. In any case, crony capitalism has more or less been on the wane for decades.
ROFL
Those are some pretty big leaps you made there bro. Planning to jump the Grand Canyon?
First, crony capitalism isn't more at odds with conservatives. Conservatives have their tea party (which interestingly enough doesn't do anything to fight corruption or crony capitalism) and liberals have their occupy types. Sure, conservatives are louder and better at fist-shaking HARUMPH, but they are 'fighting big government' just as much as the liberals, which is to say they're only using it as a rhetorical tool to justify their actions.
xDaunt already answered your second claim.
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On June 19 2014 03:33 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2014 03:24 Nyxisto wrote:On June 19 2014 03:12 xDaunt wrote:On June 19 2014 03:06 Gorsameth wrote:On June 19 2014 03:02 xDaunt wrote:On June 19 2014 02:59 JonnyBNoHo wrote:On June 19 2014 02:45 Nyxisto wrote:
"We're not sexists, we're chauvinists -- we're male chauvinist pigs, and we're happy to be because we think that's what men were destined to be. We think that's what women want." --Rush Limbaugh
"She comes to me when she wants to be fed. And after I feed her -- guess what -- she's off to wherever she wants to be in the house, until the next time she gets hungry. She's smart enough to know she can't feed herself. She's actually a very smart cat. She gets loved. She gets adoration. She gets petted. She gets fed. And she doesn't have to do anything for it, which is why I say this cat's taught me more about women, than anything my whole life." --Rush Limbaugh, on his cat
“They’re out there protesting what they actually wish would happen to them sometimes.”
~Rush Limbaugh, on women who protest against sexual harassment, The Rush Limbaugh Show, April 26, 2004
Please put this in a context in which is sounds less ridiculous. I think he's retardedly misunderstood because he's probably legitimately retarded. In every other civilized country this man wouldn't even get a job at a fast food restaurant. I don't listen to him but I do think he trolls a lot. No kidding. That's his job. He's not a politician. He's a radio personality. It doesn't change the fact that he does a better job communicating conservative ideals than any current politician does and that his conservative ideas are more influential than any conservative politician's. And yet this "troll" is the best conservative leader they have. Shows the state of the movement, and if that's the sort of thing its followers want to hear I can see why. You know this whole "Candidates destroy themselves trying to appease the bigot base" happens because people like Limbaugh spoon feed these dumb smucks right? No, I disagree. The problem is that conservatives have been without a sufficiently talented politician to lead the movement since first term W. As soon as one shows up, the ship will right itself. We'll just have to see what happens. My prediction has been that someone from the libertarian ranks will be next big conservative politician and help reshape the movement. The problem aren't politicians, the problem is the ideology. As long as the gop doesn't come up with something better than "less government!! Free market is awesome!" and "we don't really like gay people and stupid atheists" this party is not going to convince a majority of the population. No, the problem isn't the core ideology. Let's play a little game. Who can articulate the conservative argument for allowing gay marriage?
The conservative, not Libertarian one? This one:
Marriage is a social good and the bedrock of our society. Anything that can be done to stabilize American family life is probably a good thing, and should be encouraged. Failing to encourage life-long commitment runs deeply contrary to basic conservative values.
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Cayman Islands24199 Posts
le true believer conservatives do not believe crony capitalism exists.
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On June 19 2014 06:50 Jormundr wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2014 06:34 JonnyBNoHo wrote:On June 19 2014 04:29 Jormundr wrote:On June 19 2014 04:18 xDaunt wrote:On June 19 2014 04:13 mcc wrote:On June 19 2014 03:33 xDaunt wrote:On June 19 2014 03:24 Nyxisto wrote:On June 19 2014 03:12 xDaunt wrote:On June 19 2014 03:06 Gorsameth wrote:On June 19 2014 03:02 xDaunt wrote:
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No kidding. That's his job. He's not a politician. He's a radio personality. It doesn't change the fact that he does a better job communicating conservative ideals than any current politician does and that his conservative ideas are more influential than any conservative politician's. And yet this "troll" is the best conservative leader they have. Shows the state of the movement, and if that's the sort of thing its followers want to hear I can see why. You know this whole "Candidates destroy themselves trying to appease the bigot base" happens because people like Limbaugh spoon feed these dumb smucks right? No, I disagree. The problem is that conservatives have been without a sufficiently talented politician to lead the movement since first term W. As soon as one shows up, the ship will right itself. We'll just have to see what happens. My prediction has been that someone from the libertarian ranks will be next big conservative politician and help reshape the movement. The problem aren't politicians, the problem is the ideology. As long as the gop doesn't come up with something better than "less government!! Free market is awesome!" and "we don't really like gay people and stupid atheists" this party is not going to convince a majority of the population. No, the problem isn't the core ideology. Let's play a little game. Who can articulate the conservative argument for allowing gay marriage? There are no conservative arguments for such. There are libertarian ones, but libertarians are not really conservatives. I disagree. Government (particularly federal) minimalism are important tenants of both libertarians and conservatives. There's also significant liberal support for it in certain aspects. This is why Rand Paul is the most interesting republican politician to watch right now. He's looking to bridge the gap between these different groups using this libertarian flag. I don't know if he'll be the one to do it, but someone will. Correction, Government minimalism are part of the RHETORIC of both libertarians and conservatives. Conservatives don't support limited government, they just support the status quo of crony capitalism. In the spirit of such, they want to deregulate some things while adding more regulations elsewhere. This does not make them different from the liberal POV, they just take different sides on different issues. Libertarians haven't really carried out any of their rhetoric (not that they've had a chance to) so it remains to be seen whether its anything more than such. Crony capitalism is more at odds with conservatives than liberals, who are more comfortable with government and business intermixing. In any case, crony capitalism has more or less been on the wane for decades. ROFL Those are some pretty big leaps you made there bro. Planning to jump the Grand Canyon? First, crony capitalism isn't more at odds with conservatives. Conservatives have their tea party ( which interestingly enough doesn't do anything to fight corruption or crony capitalism) and liberals have their occupy types. Sure, conservatives are louder and better at fist-shaking HARUMPH, but they are 'fighting big government' just as much as the liberals, which is to say they're only using it as a rhetorical tool to justify their actions. xDaunt already answered your second claim.
That's because they are really less powerful than the left makes them out to be. It's not like they secretly support it, the issue is that the establishment of both parties really likes their big PAC checks.
le true believer conservatives do not believe crony capitalism exists.
That's false, as should even be obvious from this thread. Conservatives want "the rule of law" where the same rules apply to everyone and government doesn't get to make laws that favor certain groups over others. What conservative leader have you heard say that cronyism doesn't exist? Does GH's source have rush saying that?
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Cayman Islands24199 Posts
let's be serious. if it wasn't for silly liberals bringing up the issue it would be swept under the rug
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On June 19 2014 07:05 oneofthem wrote:
let's be serious. if it wasn't for silly liberals bringing up the issue it would be swept under the rug
I am serious. Conservatives (Tea Party in particular) are constantly complaining about cronyism. GH tried to tell me the same thing once. I find it odd that liberals think conservatives are being disingenuous when talking about it. I can't help but think it's
born from their obsession with campaign finance laws. Not supporting strict limits= supporting cronyism. Is that about right? I've seen a few people make that argument.
At any rate, your assertion simply false.
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