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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
May 31 2014 04:03 GMT
#21621
WASHINGTON -- Early Friday morning, House Republicans voted down a measure that would have discouraged the government from giving contracts to companies that have committed wage theft.

The Democratic-sponsored amendment to a funding bill would have denied taxpayer money to firms with documented wage violations while under government contract. The idea, championed by members of the Congressional Progressive Caucus, was to make sure public dollars don't go to companies with low-road labor practices.

The amendment, proposed for the commerce, justice and science appropriations bill, failed by a vote of 196-211. All Democrats who cast votes supported it, while 10 Republicans crossed the aisle to join them.

On the House floor before the vote, Rep. Frank Wolf (R-Va.), chairman of the subcommittee handling the bill, suggested he was surprised by the amendment's introduction late Thursday and urged his colleagues to vote it down out of caution.

"No one knows what the amendment does. If you know what this amendment does, you should vote for it, because nobody else seems to know. That's one of the problems [that] these things come rolling in at 10:15," Wolf said. "I don't know what it does, so I don't want to vote for it. I strongly urge, in the interest of making sure that this place does not mess up, a no vote."

In a joint statement, Reps. Keith Ellison (D-Minn.) and Raúl M. Grijalva (D-Ariz.), chairmen of the Congressional Progressive Caucus, said House Republicans voted "to continue wage theft."


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aksfjh
Profile Joined November 2010
United States4853 Posts
May 31 2014 04:22 GMT
#21622
On May 31 2014 13:03 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
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WASHINGTON -- Early Friday morning, House Republicans voted down a measure that would have discouraged the government from giving contracts to companies that have committed wage theft.

The Democratic-sponsored amendment to a funding bill would have denied taxpayer money to firms with documented wage violations while under government contract. The idea, championed by members of the Congressional Progressive Caucus, was to make sure public dollars don't go to companies with low-road labor practices.

The amendment, proposed for the commerce, justice and science appropriations bill, failed by a vote of 196-211. All Democrats who cast votes supported it, while 10 Republicans crossed the aisle to join them.

On the House floor before the vote, Rep. Frank Wolf (R-Va.), chairman of the subcommittee handling the bill, suggested he was surprised by the amendment's introduction late Thursday and urged his colleagues to vote it down out of caution.

"No one knows what the amendment does. If you know what this amendment does, you should vote for it, because nobody else seems to know. That's one of the problems [that] these things come rolling in at 10:15," Wolf said. "I don't know what it does, so I don't want to vote for it. I strongly urge, in the interest of making sure that this place does not mess up, a no vote."

In a joint statement, Reps. Keith Ellison (D-Minn.) and Raúl M. Grijalva (D-Ariz.), chairmen of the Congressional Progressive Caucus, said House Republicans voted "to continue wage theft."


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Seeing how much of Congress spends its time campaigning or raising funds to do so, I'm sure Rep. Wolf has cast votes hundreds of times for bills/amendments he didn't know what they did...
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
June 01 2014 02:00 GMT
#21623
WASHINGTON -- The House passed a spending bill Friday that would modestly increase NASA's budget next year but would not fully fund a program to replace the space shuttle with a new vehicle to carry astronauts to the International Space Station.

The measure, adopted 321-87, would provide $17.9 billion for the civilian space program in fiscal 2015, about $250 million more than NASA received this fiscal year and roughly $400 million more than President Barack Obama has requested.

But the House bill would give NASA less than it wants for the shuttle replacement program, called Commercial Crew. Agency officials have warned Congress that any amount smaller than the $848 million NASA is seeking will delay a launch from U.S. soil, now forecast for 2017, to at least 2018.

The bill includes $785 million for the Commercial Crew Program, which is more than the House has ever approved for the venture. The Senate Appropriations Committee, which has traditionally approved more for the program than the House, is expected to reveal its spending proposal for NASA next week.

Commercial Crew has received renewed interest in the wake of simmering tensions between the U.S. and Russia over Ukraine.


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Danglars
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States12133 Posts
June 01 2014 02:16 GMT
#21624
A new Department of Health and Human Services regulation would slow the growth of premiums charged to subsidized ObamaCare shoppers, shifting more costs to the government.

Over 10 years, the regulation would add about $7 billion to ObamaCare's budgetary cost, an IBD analysis finds.

That's a relatively small change. But the regulation, contrary to how the Congressional Budget Office (CBO) interpreted the law, is another demonstration of the power that the Affordable Care Act has granted to the HHS secretary. The Senate is expected to approve the nomination of White House budget office director Sylvia Burwell to replace Kathleen Sebelius at HHS in the coming week.

The regulation involves the method for determining the annual growth in average premiums for private insurance, a key variable influencing how the size of ObamaCare subsidies changes from year to year.

The surprise — at least compared to CBO expectations — is that HHS plans to base this key indexing factor only on average premium growth in employer-sponsored coverage, excluding the individual market for now because of the ObamaCare-related jump in premiums.
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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
June 01 2014 02:40 GMT
#21625
CLEVELAND (AP) — A police car chase that ended in a schoolyard with two unarmed suspects dying in a hail of 137 bullets is part of a wide-ranging federal investigation into the Cleveland Police Department's use of deadly force and its pursuit policies.

Six officers in the police department were indicted Friday on charges related to the chase, Cuyohoga County prosecutor Tim McGinty said. Patrol officer Michael Brelo, who the prosecutor said stood on the hood of the suspects' car and fired at least 15 shots through the windshield, has been charged with two counts of manslaughter. Five supervisors have been charged with dereliction of duty for failing to control the chase.

McGinty cited a U.S. Supreme Court ruling this week that said police can't fire on suspects after a public safety threat has ended. He said the other officers on the scene had stopped firing after the November 2012 chase ended.

"This was now a stop-and-shoot — no longer a chase-and-shoot," McGinty said. "The law does not allow for a stop-and-shoot."


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WASHINGTON (AP) — The new pollution rule the Obama administration announces Monday will be a cornerstone of President Barack Obama's environmental legacy and arguably the most significant U.S. environmental regulation in decades.

But it's not one the White House wanted.

As with other issues, the regulation to limit the pollution blamed for global warming from power plants is a compromise for Obama, who again finds himself caught between his aspirations and what is politically and legally possible.

It will provoke a messy and drawn-out fight with states and companies that produce electricity, and may not be settled until the eve of the next presidential election in 2016, or beyond.

"It's going to be like eating spaghetti with a spoon. It can be done, but it's going to be messy and slow," said Michael Gerrard, director of the Center for Climate Change Law at Columbia University.

At the crux of the problem is Obama's use of a 30-year-old law that was not intended to regulate the gases blamed for global warming. Obama was forced to rely on the Clean Air Act after he tried and failed to get Congress to pass a new law during his first term. When the Republicans took over the House, the goal became impossible.

The new rule, as the president described it in a news conference in 2010, is another way of "skinning the cat" on climate change.


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Liquid`Drone
Profile Joined September 2002
Norway28738 Posts
June 01 2014 12:16 GMT
#21626
On May 31 2014 10:56 aksfjh wrote:
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On May 31 2014 10:13 Nyxisto wrote:
What is 'equality of opportunity' that some of you claim is sufficient enough supposed to mean anyway? Last time I visited a bigger restaurant(here in Germany) 80% of the service personnel had a migration background. The manager was a white dude. Theoretically all these people have the same rights and the same opportunity, probably more so than in the US. Still there's a huge gap. Same is true for women in many jobs.

So either immigrants, women and black people are inherently less qualified than white people or natives or there are still big systematic problems that should be dealt with. Practically 'equality of opportunity' is a completely useless concept.

Also theoretical it's flawed. Some people need to work jobs that suck, else our economy isn't going to work. If the ~20% of people working low paying jobs were not there the system would not work. Not everyone can be an entrepreneur, not even theoretically.

Jobs that suck don't always have to come with their attached pay stub and social status. That's what unions did for large scale manufacturing up through the 70s. Those jobs are absolutely awful, but at some point, people were allowed to have dignity and a comfortable lifestyle while working those awful jobs. At some point, they even became attractive to a degree with their benefits and paycheck, but never have they not ultimately sucked.


Yeah, this is exactly why I think increased wages is a much preferable way of redistribution than food stamps or any type of "government handout" - it takes away the feeling of being self-sufficient and thus the dignity associated with doing your job and managing your own life.

I've actually worked in a warehouse for like 7 years, and it's a tough, physical, fairly repetitive job. But due to our strong labor unions here, the pay is great (I'm a little bit above $30 per hour now, not that that number can simply be compared to other countries as Norway also has higher cost of living, but not 3x average america), we have frequent breaks, the social environment is awesome, and people working there don't feel like an inferior segment of society.

Basically okay, jobs have different statuses, having a leadership position comes with more responsibility, being an entrepreneur comes with a certain set of risks, and success in either of those indicates that you've showcased some skill deemed worthy of admiration. And that feels great, and it should feel great. This is all good. But then some jobs aren't entertaining or interesting, they just have to be done, and I think it really sucks that the mentally taxing aspect of being stuck in one of those has to come with the added negative of poverty.
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GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States23622 Posts
June 01 2014 23:31 GMT
#21627
Meanwhile in an American 'scientifically and historically accurate museum'

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With gems like that we have to bring the kids right?

Stinnett Elementary School in Hyden, Kentucky, took second graders on a field trip to the Creation Museum as part of its science curriculum. In one program, entitled "Evolution: Not a Chance," a museum official purportedly "illustrates the improbability of evolution" by entertaining children with magical illusions. In the "Monkey Business" workshop, "kids will learn that Lucy and other so-called ape men are not in the human family tree" and instead will be taught that "people were created specially in God's image."


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No field trip is complete without a test to make sure you retain your 'knowledge' right? (A 4th grade 'Science Quiz' from a NC private school)

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Wouldn't want something like Common Core to interfere with quality education like that right...?

Good luck children of Kentucky/North Carolina/etc... You'll need it.
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
JonnyBNoHo
Profile Joined July 2011
United States6277 Posts
June 02 2014 00:56 GMT
#21628
On June 02 2014 08:31 GreenHorizons wrote:
Meanwhile in an American 'scientifically and historically accurate museum'

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With gems like that we have to bring the kids right?

Show nested quote +
Stinnett Elementary School in Hyden, Kentucky, took second graders on a field trip to the Creation Museum as part of its science curriculum. In one program, entitled "Evolution: Not a Chance," a museum official purportedly "illustrates the improbability of evolution" by entertaining children with magical illusions. In the "Monkey Business" workshop, "kids will learn that Lucy and other so-called ape men are not in the human family tree" and instead will be taught that "people were created specially in God's image."


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No field trip is complete without a test to make sure you retain your 'knowledge' right? (A 4th grade 'Science Quiz' from a NC private school)

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Wouldn't want something like Common Core to interfere with quality education like that right...?

Good luck children of Kentucky/North Carolina/etc... You'll need it.

It's not considered legal for a public school to send students to a creation museum. It sounds like they thought they were getting around it by having the trip privately funded and got caught. Their website says they have a new principal now, so hopefully things will be corrected.

Not much you can do about private schools.
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States23622 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-06-02 01:22:23
June 02 2014 01:21 GMT
#21629
On June 02 2014 09:56 JonnyBNoHo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 02 2014 08:31 GreenHorizons wrote:
Meanwhile in an American 'scientifically and historically accurate museum'

+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]


With gems like that we have to bring the kids right?

Stinnett Elementary School in Hyden, Kentucky, took second graders on a field trip to the Creation Museum as part of its science curriculum. In one program, entitled "Evolution: Not a Chance," a museum official purportedly "illustrates the improbability of evolution" by entertaining children with magical illusions. In the "Monkey Business" workshop, "kids will learn that Lucy and other so-called ape men are not in the human family tree" and instead will be taught that "people were created specially in God's image."


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No field trip is complete without a test to make sure you retain your 'knowledge' right? (A 4th grade 'Science Quiz' from a NC private school)

+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]


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Wouldn't want something like Common Core to interfere with quality education like that right...?

Good luck children of Kentucky/North Carolina/etc... You'll need it.

It's not considered legal for a public school to send students to a creation museum. It sounds like they thought they were getting around it by having the trip privately funded and got caught. Their website says they have a new principal now, so hopefully things will be corrected.

Not much you can do about private schools.


Well luckily for those parents (not so much their defenseless children), they don't have to expose their children to those 'lies straight from the pit of hell' they might find in legal public school field trips, by just sending them to private indoctrination centers schools. And if that is a bit to pricey, perhaps they could get a group of their YEC friends (~40% of America) together and pitch in on these YEC brainwashing homeschooling materials...?

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Or I suppose we could discourage people from brainwashing innocent children into believing this total non-sense, that even many prevalent religious leaders (Christians included, see: The Pope/Pat Robertson) have said is ridiculous and isn't necessary for people to be 'Christian'?

"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
Bigtony
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States1606 Posts
June 02 2014 01:22 GMT
#21630
On June 02 2014 08:31 GreenHorizons wrote:
Meanwhile in an American 'scientifically and historically accurate museum'

+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]


With gems like that we have to bring the kids right?

Show nested quote +
Stinnett Elementary School in Hyden, Kentucky, took second graders on a field trip to the Creation Museum as part of its science curriculum. In one program, entitled "Evolution: Not a Chance," a museum official purportedly "illustrates the improbability of evolution" by entertaining children with magical illusions. In the "Monkey Business" workshop, "kids will learn that Lucy and other so-called ape men are not in the human family tree" and instead will be taught that "people were created specially in God's image."


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No field trip is complete without a test to make sure you retain your 'knowledge' right? (A 4th grade 'Science Quiz' from a NC private school)

+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]


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Source

Wouldn't want something like Common Core to interfere with quality education like that right...?

Good luck children of Kentucky/North Carolina/etc... You'll need it.


I pretty much guarantee you that whatever private school that test came from has high levels of student achievement than the local public school.
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Livelovedie
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States492 Posts
June 02 2014 01:23 GMT
#21631
I have an aunt whose family is involved with donating some fossils to that museum...
Livelovedie
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States492 Posts
June 02 2014 01:24 GMT
#21632
On June 02 2014 10:22 Bigtony wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 02 2014 08:31 GreenHorizons wrote:
Meanwhile in an American 'scientifically and historically accurate museum'

+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]


With gems like that we have to bring the kids right?

Stinnett Elementary School in Hyden, Kentucky, took second graders on a field trip to the Creation Museum as part of its science curriculum. In one program, entitled "Evolution: Not a Chance," a museum official purportedly "illustrates the improbability of evolution" by entertaining children with magical illusions. In the "Monkey Business" workshop, "kids will learn that Lucy and other so-called ape men are not in the human family tree" and instead will be taught that "people were created specially in God's image."


Source

No field trip is complete without a test to make sure you retain your 'knowledge' right? (A 4th grade 'Science Quiz' from a NC private school)

+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]


[image loading]


Source

Wouldn't want something like Common Core to interfere with quality education like that right...?

Good luck children of Kentucky/North Carolina/etc... You'll need it.


I pretty much guarantee you that whatever private school that test came from has high levels of student achievement than the local public school.


Why do you assume that?
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
June 02 2014 01:29 GMT
#21633
WASHINGTON –- The Environmental Protection Agency's proposed standards for power plants will call for a 30 percent cut in emissions by 2030, according to a report in The Wall Street Journal on Sunday afternoon.

The piece cites two unnamed sources who were briefed on the rule's contents. The sources said the plan will lead to a 25 percent cut in emissions by 2020. The standard would use a 2005 baseline for the cuts, according to the piece.

In a statement to The Huffington Post on Sunday afternoon, the EPA declined to comment on the information in the Wall Street Journal piece. "EPA will release its proposed carbon pollution reduction rule on Monday," EPA spokeswoman Liz Purchia said. "Until then the agency will not comment on any information that may or may not be in the proposal."

The draft rules coming Monday will be the first-ever carbon standards for the fleet of existing power plants in the U.S., which generate 39 percent of total emissions in this country, according to the Energy Information Administration.

Economy wide, U.S. emissions already declined 10 percent between 2005 and 2012, due in large part to increased use of natural gas and lower overall energy consumption. The United States has committed to a 17 percent overall cut by 2020.


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JonnyBNoHo
Profile Joined July 2011
United States6277 Posts
June 02 2014 02:13 GMT
#21634
On June 02 2014 10:21 GreenHorizons wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 02 2014 09:56 JonnyBNoHo wrote:
On June 02 2014 08:31 GreenHorizons wrote:
Meanwhile in an American 'scientifically and historically accurate museum'

+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]


With gems like that we have to bring the kids right?

Stinnett Elementary School in Hyden, Kentucky, took second graders on a field trip to the Creation Museum as part of its science curriculum. In one program, entitled "Evolution: Not a Chance," a museum official purportedly "illustrates the improbability of evolution" by entertaining children with magical illusions. In the "Monkey Business" workshop, "kids will learn that Lucy and other so-called ape men are not in the human family tree" and instead will be taught that "people were created specially in God's image."


Source

No field trip is complete without a test to make sure you retain your 'knowledge' right? (A 4th grade 'Science Quiz' from a NC private school)

+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]


[image loading]


Source

Wouldn't want something like Common Core to interfere with quality education like that right...?

Good luck children of Kentucky/North Carolina/etc... You'll need it.

It's not considered legal for a public school to send students to a creation museum. It sounds like they thought they were getting around it by having the trip privately funded and got caught. Their website says they have a new principal now, so hopefully things will be corrected.

Not much you can do about private schools.


Well luckily for those parents (not so much their defenseless children), they don't have to expose their children to those 'lies straight from the pit of hell' they might find in legal public school field trips, by just sending them to private indoctrination centers schools. And if that is a bit to pricey, perhaps they could get a group of their YEC friends (~40% of America) together and pitch in on these YEC brainwashing homeschooling materials...?

+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]
Source


Or I suppose we could discourage people from brainwashing innocent children into believing this total non-sense, that even many prevalent religious leaders (Christians included, see: The Pope/Pat Robertson) have said is ridiculous and isn't necessary for people to be 'Christian'?

I'm not sure what your point is. Only a small minority of students are in private schools, and not all private schools are religious.

If you're just looking to take a dump on religion you can go to the Atheism subreddit for that.
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States23622 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-06-02 03:21:25
June 02 2014 03:14 GMT
#21635
On June 02 2014 11:13 JonnyBNoHo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 02 2014 10:21 GreenHorizons wrote:
On June 02 2014 09:56 JonnyBNoHo wrote:
On June 02 2014 08:31 GreenHorizons wrote:
Meanwhile in an American 'scientifically and historically accurate museum'

+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]


With gems like that we have to bring the kids right?

Stinnett Elementary School in Hyden, Kentucky, took second graders on a field trip to the Creation Museum as part of its science curriculum. In one program, entitled "Evolution: Not a Chance," a museum official purportedly "illustrates the improbability of evolution" by entertaining children with magical illusions. In the "Monkey Business" workshop, "kids will learn that Lucy and other so-called ape men are not in the human family tree" and instead will be taught that "people were created specially in God's image."


Source

No field trip is complete without a test to make sure you retain your 'knowledge' right? (A 4th grade 'Science Quiz' from a NC private school)

+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]


[image loading]


Source

Wouldn't want something like Common Core to interfere with quality education like that right...?

Good luck children of Kentucky/North Carolina/etc... You'll need it.

It's not considered legal for a public school to send students to a creation museum. It sounds like they thought they were getting around it by having the trip privately funded and got caught. Their website says they have a new principal now, so hopefully things will be corrected.

Not much you can do about private schools.


Well luckily for those parents (not so much their defenseless children), they don't have to expose their children to those 'lies straight from the pit of hell' they might find in legal public school field trips, by just sending them to private indoctrination centers schools. And if that is a bit to pricey, perhaps they could get a group of their YEC friends (~40% of America) together and pitch in on these YEC brainwashing homeschooling materials...?

+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]
Source


Or I suppose we could discourage people from brainwashing innocent children into believing this total non-sense, that even many prevalent religious leaders (Christians included, see: The Pope/Pat Robertson) have said is ridiculous and isn't necessary for people to be 'Christian'?

I'm not sure what your point is. Only a small minority of students are in private schools, and not all private schools are religious.

If you're just looking to take a dump on religion you can go to the Atheism subreddit for that.



Putting my general contempt for most organized religion aside, why I bring it up is, it's not some phenomenon limited to private schools or deluded homeschooling.

There are several state party platforms that encourage/expect that garbage to be taught in public schools as science.

Do you think it is science or should be taught as such? Because the GOP in the listed states do.

State Republican platforms that specifically state that teachers should be able to teach creationism or intelligent design in science classes include:
Alaska;
Iowa;
Minnesota;
North Dakota;
Oklahoma; and
Texas.
In Missouri and Wisconsin Republicans think that the local school boards should have discretion about whether they should teach “the controversy.”

Of course those are not the only places Republicans are arguing to have it...

Do you not think it is a problem for generations of children to be taught that Creationism is science? Do you not see a problem with telling those children, from when they are first able to understand, that if they believe the snake oil that's being peddled to them, they will go to the best place imaginable full of all the loved ones they lost, and if they don't/stop believing in the snake oil they will never see their dead family again and will suffer the worst possible feeling for eternity?

Do you not see a problem with politicians pushing children to have those beliefs reinforced in a public education setting?

Your initial response indicates that none of those things concern you. That you see no problem with Republicans pushing to have Creationism taught in public school classrooms? Perhaps I am wrong, but since you didn't express any concern about those points, you couldn't decipher why it might be relevant, and you showed contempt at me mentioning that it's an issue, I currently have the aforementioned interpretation until shown otherwise.
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
Jormundr
Profile Joined July 2011
United States1678 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-06-02 03:19:20
June 02 2014 03:15 GMT
#21636
On June 02 2014 10:22 Bigtony wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 02 2014 08:31 GreenHorizons wrote:
Meanwhile in an American 'scientifically and historically accurate museum'

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Stinnett Elementary School in Hyden, Kentucky, took second graders on a field trip to the Creation Museum as part of its science curriculum. In one program, entitled "Evolution: Not a Chance," a museum official purportedly "illustrates the improbability of evolution" by entertaining children with magical illusions. In the "Monkey Business" workshop, "kids will learn that Lucy and other so-called ape men are not in the human family tree" and instead will be taught that "people were created specially in God's image."


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No field trip is complete without a test to make sure you retain your 'knowledge' right? (A 4th grade 'Science Quiz' from a NC private school)

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Wouldn't want something like Common Core to interfere with quality education like that right...?

Good luck children of Kentucky/North Carolina/etc... You'll need it.


I pretty much guarantee you that whatever private school that test came from has high levels of student achievement than the local public school.

No. In math and science competitions they were pretty much bottom of the barrel.
Source: I went to Charlotte Latin and Greensboro Day School in NC and went to pretty much every math/science event I could. The main threats were
1. Homeschoolers who spent months prepping for individual events,
2. Other elite private schools,
3. White public schools having a good year.

I'm not sure I ever saw one of the christian private schools place near or above us.
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JonnyBNoHo
Profile Joined July 2011
United States6277 Posts
June 02 2014 03:31 GMT
#21637
On June 02 2014 12:14 GreenHorizons wrote:
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On June 02 2014 11:13 JonnyBNoHo wrote:
On June 02 2014 10:21 GreenHorizons wrote:
On June 02 2014 09:56 JonnyBNoHo wrote:
On June 02 2014 08:31 GreenHorizons wrote:
Meanwhile in an American 'scientifically and historically accurate museum'

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With gems like that we have to bring the kids right?

Stinnett Elementary School in Hyden, Kentucky, took second graders on a field trip to the Creation Museum as part of its science curriculum. In one program, entitled "Evolution: Not a Chance," a museum official purportedly "illustrates the improbability of evolution" by entertaining children with magical illusions. In the "Monkey Business" workshop, "kids will learn that Lucy and other so-called ape men are not in the human family tree" and instead will be taught that "people were created specially in God's image."


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No field trip is complete without a test to make sure you retain your 'knowledge' right? (A 4th grade 'Science Quiz' from a NC private school)

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Wouldn't want something like Common Core to interfere with quality education like that right...?

Good luck children of Kentucky/North Carolina/etc... You'll need it.

It's not considered legal for a public school to send students to a creation museum. It sounds like they thought they were getting around it by having the trip privately funded and got caught. Their website says they have a new principal now, so hopefully things will be corrected.

Not much you can do about private schools.


Well luckily for those parents (not so much their defenseless children), they don't have to expose their children to those 'lies straight from the pit of hell' they might find in legal public school field trips, by just sending them to private indoctrination centers schools. And if that is a bit to pricey, perhaps they could get a group of their YEC friends (~40% of America) together and pitch in on these YEC brainwashing homeschooling materials...?

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Or I suppose we could discourage people from brainwashing innocent children into believing this total non-sense, that even many prevalent religious leaders (Christians included, see: The Pope/Pat Robertson) have said is ridiculous and isn't necessary for people to be 'Christian'?

I'm not sure what your point is. Only a small minority of students are in private schools, and not all private schools are religious.

If you're just looking to take a dump on religion you can go to the Atheism subreddit for that.



Putting my general contempt for most organized religion aside, why I bring it up is, it's not some phenomenon limited to private schools or deluded homeschooling.

There are several state party platforms that encourage/expect that garbage to be taught in public schools as science.

Do you think it is science or should be taught as such? Because the GOP in the listed states do.

State Republican platforms that specifically state that teachers should be able to teach creationism or intelligent design in science classes include:
Alaska;
Iowa;
Minnesota;
North Dakota;
Oklahoma; and
Texas.
In Missouri and Wisconsin Republicans think that the local school boards should have discretion about whether they should teach “the controversy.”

Of course those are not the only places Republicans are arguing to have it...

Do you not think it is a problem for generations of children to be taught that Creationism is science? Do you not see a problem with telling those children, from when they are first able to understand, that if they believe the snake oil that's being peddled to them, they will go to the best place imaginable full of all the loved ones they lost, and if they don't/stop believing in the snake oil they will never see their dead family again and will suffer the worst possible feeling for eternity?

Do you not see a problem with politicians pushing children to have those beliefs reinforced in a public education setting?

Your initial response indicates that none of those things concern you. That you see no problem with Republicans pushing to have Creationism taught in public school classrooms? Perhaps I am wrong, but since you didn't express any concern about those points, you couldn't decipher why it might be relevant, and you showed contempt at me mentioning that it's an issue, I currently have the aforementioned interpretation until shown otherwise.

No I don't want Creationism taught in schools as 'science'. I don't want feminism taught as 'science' either.

You're talking about an issue that's been around for a long time and each time it comes up, it loses. The supreme court has shot it down before, and it'll keep shooting it down. Most people want their kids to get the best education possible, and they aren't going to like this stuff in textbooks either.

I don't think anyone on this thread has supported creationism in school or in a young earth, yet these are issues that you keep harping on.

I can't help but think that you are either:

a) trying to paint all Republicans as bible thumping extremists - or -
b) trying to laugh at the minority of people who have received a worse education than yourself.
farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18846 Posts
June 02 2014 03:34 GMT
#21638
Tell me, Jonny, where is there a push to teach feminism as "science"?
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Nyxisto
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany6287 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-06-02 03:57:09
June 02 2014 03:55 GMT
#21639
On June 02 2014 12:31 JonnyBNoHo wrote:
a) trying to paint all Republicans as bible thumping extremists


Yes that would be totally unjustified!
http://i.imgur.com/bTdSO1i.jpg

(Not that the democrat numbers are great, but at least it isn't getting worth)
JonnyBNoHo
Profile Joined July 2011
United States6277 Posts
June 02 2014 04:04 GMT
#21640
On June 02 2014 12:34 farvacola wrote:
Tell me, Jonny, where is there a push to teach feminism as "science"?

They've done campaigns to edit wikipedia pages (example) and interject feminist ideas as if they represent real research or science.

There are also people who want feminism taught in schools. (example) Maybe as a 'science' is the wrong word, but they want it taught even though so much of it is nothing but bull shit.
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