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Livelovedie
United States492 Posts
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nunez
Norway4003 Posts
to clarify i didn't wanna imply there was a lack of disdain, nor that snowden leaving the us was a non-issue (it def is for me, but no doubt it hold more weight yankside). however aksfjh was talking about how a marginal group, conspiracy theorists, speculate "extra hard" in what hasn't been revealed by the nsa, because ed left the us. as an example he uses the hearbleed bug... 1) the speculation is irrelevant, and even if you grace it with relevancy, it's impact is insignificant. 2) snowden leaving the us is irrelevant wrt the bug and nsa suspicion in relation to it. 3) he's conflating natural suspicion with conspiracy theories, and pretends to know what he's talking about (him and his crony nyxisto, in shill like fashion i might add as i don my tinfoil hat, yelled 'tinfoil hat' before i even had the chance to produce it, like i just did). last time i had my analysts check he was a script kiddie working on a cs bachelor in texas, and prev made ridic claims like "my claim is that engineering viruses is completely different than digging through source code to find unknown vulnerabilities", ~"'nsa is just your 'average potential wallet grabber'" (they are one of the most prolific of hamburglers, and the heartbleed bug was an infinite source of hamburgers) and now "We can't know for sure about these allegations, but it's fair to say (from my experience in the field) that they're far off from reality". i sincerely doubt that is 'fair to say', when the guy who planted the bug says it's a natural suspicion up front. | ||
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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
WASHINGTON (AP) — A House committee has endorsed a Republican plan to allow some schools to opt out ofhealthier meal standards. The vote comes as first lady Michelle Obama campaigns in support of the standards. On Tuesday, she met withschool nutrition officials who said the guidelines are working in their schools. The rules set by Congress and the Obama administration over the past several years require more fruits, vegetables and whole grains in the lunch line. Also, there are limits on sodium, sugar and fat. Some school nutrition directors have lobbied for a break, saying the rules have proved to be costly and restrictive. The Republican provision in an agriculture spending bill would allow schools to opt out of the standards for the next school year if the schools are losing money on meal programs for a six-month period. The HouseAppropriations Committee rejected, by a 29-22 vote, a Democratic amendment that would have removed the GOP language. A subcommittee approved the spending bill last week. Republicans have said the standards are overreach. Source | ||
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aksfjh
United States4853 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + Actually, I graduated and currently work as a software engineer, where I develop and maintain a comprehensive scanning engine that detects and exploits thousands of computer vulnerabilities. I both develop the tools (from scratch) and the framework that we use on the scanner. Just because I used the word "script" at one point doesn't mean I am a "script kiddie," which is a person that uses some already developed tool to execute attacks. Him leaving greatly weakens the case for more transparency from the agency, since they have already succeeded in character assassination as he has fled to an "enemy" state. The only things we have left to go on are vague powerpoints/reports which he left with, which only detail that they are doing certain things, but without specifics or the scope at which those things are being done. Google et al. want to elaborate on many of those things, but they cannot because there is no outlet to do so (no public trial). Without the details, the only safe accusations one can make about the NSA is that it collects bulk data from pretty much every public outlet of information on the internet, along with a lot of grey data, and a smidgen of private data. They are also involved in engineering some viruses for espionage purposes, which use existing vulnerabilities to gain attack vectors. Those vulnerabilities can be zero-day, but are likely more esoteric in nature, since major zero-day vulnerabilities (like Heartbleed) are major security holes in our own infrastructure, which can't be mitigated (much) by "best practices." | ||
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nunez
Norway4003 Posts
you posted a script you translated in programming thread, and said you had written exploit scripts! not that big of a leap. i was underselling you (update your pages), grats on finishing ur degree. a smidgen... at least every phone call in 2 countries? plz. besides that reasonable enough post,. in the last snowden interview i saw (german tv) he seemed agitated about how little had made it into media. omidyar (who owns first look media, that sits on greenwald) has extremely close ties with the whitehouse, to the point where he's cofunding revolution in ukraine alongside usaid (pando has done several articles on it). was a similar guy sitting on new york times when ellsberg blew whistle? do you guys have a new Pike ready to rip into the NSA once again? | ||
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MarlieChurphy
United States2063 Posts
On May 30 2014 00:37 Nyxisto wrote: Well I wouldn't exactly call him a hero, just gonna leave this here You didn't watch the interview. Spirit of the law vs letter of the law. Morality ≠ legality. As shown in this classic : http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/closed-threads/50125-legality-question | ||
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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
WASHINGTON — President Obama will use his executive authority to cut carbon emissions from the nation’s coal-fired power plants by up to 20 percent, according to people familiar with his plans, which will spur the creation of a state cap-and-trade program forcing industry to pay for the carbon pollution it creates. Mr. Obama will unveil his plans in a new regulation, written by the Environmental Protection Agency, at the White House on Monday. It would be the strongest action ever taken by an American president to tackle climate change and could become one of the defining elements of Mr. Obama’s legacy. Cutting carbon emissions by 20 percent — a substantial amount — would be the most important step in the administration’s pledged goal to reduce pollution over the next six years and could eventually shut down hundreds of coal-fired power plants across the country. The regulation would have far more impact on the environment than the Keystone pipeline, which many administration officials consider a political sideshow, and is certain to be met with opposition from Republicans who say that Mr. Obama will be using his executive authority as a back door to force through an inflammatory cap-and-trade policy he could not get through Congress. People familiar with the rule say that it will set a national limit on carbon pollution from coal plants, but that it will allow each state to come up with its own plan to cut emissions based on a menu of options that include adding wind and solar power, energy-efficiency technology and creating or joining state cap-and-trade programs. Cap-and-trade programs are effectively carbon taxes that place a limit on carbon pollution and create markets for buying and selling government-issued pollution permits. Coal plants are the nation’s largest source of the greenhouse gases that scientists say are the chief cause of global warming. Source | ||
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Sermokala
United States14102 Posts
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farvacola
United States18846 Posts
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Sermokala
United States14102 Posts
Ohio coal miners have decided the states political leanings, terrible candidates notwithstanding. Theres a reason we call em Reagan democrats. | ||
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farvacola
United States18846 Posts
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Sermokala
United States14102 Posts
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Mindcrime
United States6899 Posts
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Sermokala
United States14102 Posts
On May 30 2014 09:16 Mindcrime wrote: I'm loling at the perceived influence of Ohio's coalminers. Democracy is a system to give smaller groups strength over the larger groups. | ||
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IgnE
United States7681 Posts
On May 30 2014 07:18 nunez wrote: + Show Spoiler + you posted a script you translated in programming thread, and said you had written exploit scripts! not that big of a leap. i was underselling you (update your pages), grats on finishing ur degree. a smidgen... at least every phone call in 2 countries? plz. besides that reasonable enough post,. in the last snowden interview i saw (german tv) he seemed agitated about how little had made it into media. omidyar (who owns first look media, that sits on greenwald) has extremely close ties with the whitehouse, to the point where he's cofunding revolution in ukraine alongside usaid (pando has done several articles on it). was a similar guy sitting on new york times when ellsberg blew whistle? do you guys have a new Pike ready to rip into the NSA once again? Snowden's key message is telling us what still works. Tor, etc. | ||
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Mindcrime
United States6899 Posts
On May 30 2014 09:30 Sermokala wrote: Democracy is a system to give smaller groups strength over the larger groups. You're confusing democracy with oligarchy. But, yeah, Ohio's coal industry is about half the size of what it was 30 years ago and something silly like 1/200th the size of the auto industry. | ||
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Danglars
United States12133 Posts
On May 30 2014 09:30 Sermokala wrote: If we're going to go in this direction, then may I say I'm damn glad we're a republic.Democracy is a system to give smaller groups strength over the larger groups. | ||
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Nyxisto
Germany6287 Posts
On May 30 2014 10:31 Danglars wrote: If we're going to go in this direction, then may I say I'm damn glad we're a republic. He's not wrong. A democracy should not devolve into a "tyranny of the masses". That minorities are adequately represented seems to be a very reasonable goal for every functioning modern society. | ||
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Danglars
United States12133 Posts
On May 30 2014 10:40 Nyxisto wrote: Well, maybe his initial statement struck me the wrong way. Indeed any government that gives smaller groups "strength" over larger groups is an oligarchic arrangement. Now if you hold the minority viewpoint in a republic of the people, by the people, and for the people, it won't carry the day. Protections from tyranny for those minorities, by all means, and protections of their rights, in this case using a strict construction of those prescriptive rights long known. Representation of their views should occur so much as they're able to gather support and persuade others to their stances.He's not wrong. A democracy should not devolve into a "tyranny of the masses". That minorities are adequately represented seems to be a very reasonable goal for every functioning modern society. | ||
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Nyxisto
Germany6287 Posts
On May 30 2014 11:24 Danglars wrote: Well, maybe his initial statement struck me the wrong way. Indeed any government that gives smaller groups "strength" over larger groups is an oligarchic arrangement. Now if you hold the minority viewpoint in a republic of the people, by the people, and for the people, it won't carry the day. Protections from tyranny for those minorities, by all means, and protections of their rights, in this case using a strict construction of those prescriptive rights long known. Representation of their views should occur so much as they're able to gather support and persuade others to their stances. But practically speaking just giving everyone the same rights will not result in everyone having the same chance to succeed in reality. I feel like American conservatives often act like "hey, now group XY has their rights, why are they not happy?" To make sure that minorities have the same chances to succeed you'll have to do a little more than just make sure that they're technically fair represented. | ||
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