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Ok.. even if there is a terrible history perhaps Blight and/or Blackfoger changed....
Oh.. wait. If they really wanted to change, or even had a BRAIN in their SKULL, they would have done what any smart organization does when they screw up. CHANGE THEIR NAME.
Really Blackfoger? You screw teams and players (as this evidence is pretty condemning and from multiple sources) and don't even change your handle, the teams name, or the business' name?
LOL That alone tells you what kind of "organization" (if there is one) this is. You even suck at scamming people. Changing your name/contact info is like rule #1 in scamming!
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On September 07 2012 03:09 Shikyo wrote:
I really wonder why this isn't illegal.
I also really wonder why people don't read contracts or demand translations(This even moreso, you can lose millions of dollars very easily even to someone who's been friendly with you for years).
Oh right, blackfoger, when's your 18th birthday?
When that happens will he stop using his mother credit card to not finance his team?
Maybe black foger is massively unqualified for this and all of those problems where due to that, but he should be stopped before he rips even more people off.
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So....scamming people don't get you in prison?
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Oh God. I hope this doesn't end up too badly for crane.
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I think it's genious though to name his team Blight - Destruction, Ruin, Frustration, and so on. . .
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I can't believe there are people who think it's okay to sign a player to a contract in a language that they don't understand. That's a tactic traditionally used when white guys wanted to take over the land currently occupied by people with darker skin. It's not an acceptable business practice... ever.
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Yeah, it seems he deserves credit for being honest about that part at least. He names the organization appropriately and then sticks to it.
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This pretty much confirms Blackfoger is full of shit. Why not sign one of those players first? It would make much more sense to do that instead of signing someone like Crane who isn't on the same level of skill and popularity as them.
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So when will TL allow Blight icons for forum members?
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lol he would never sign any of those players.
if any 4 of those people wanted a foreign team, they could easily land a spot on like EG, fnatic or teams on a similar level.
theres no way they would join some random team, they're too well known.
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On September 07 2012 03:57 IPA wrote:
So when will TL allow Blight icons for forum members?
lol I was thinking the same thing! haha
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Blight gaming. Pretty ironic name, if I do say so myself.
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Oh shit i just read thru the entire thread and news about this guy called Blackfoger. It seems that hes just a big liar and just screw people over. Seriously can someone just do something about this guy? Like how can he still be doing this shit? Hes been doing this in many other games and he just keeps on doing it?
Jesus christ blackfoger, we don't want people like you here.
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This guy approached me last week to talk about a team arrangement for me. It all seemed to good to be true, he offered me a small salary ($50 a month if I were to stream a lot), gear, travel, etc.. And tbh I'm not very good and don't have very many results, just a GM on NA... I was about to sign with Blight until I read all of these posts about how he has screwed over multiple teams from different platforms and always comes back saying he will be legitimate this time.
I asked where his funds were coming from, he was very indirect and it eventually boiled down to his own pocket, something that sort of scared me, as he also told me he wasn't employed. If he is employed by another company, he did not make any mention of this in our skype conversation.
I don't know if he is to be trusted, from what I've read he doesn't seem to be very trustworthy from his past. The contract he sent me was very thorough and looked legitimate, but I turned down the offer after reading all of these posts, I didn't want to be a guinea pig for this dudes sc2 division.
I hope the best for Crane, he is a very talented player, and I hope BlackFoger pulls through! If so, I will be dissapointed I didn't join, but we will see 
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On September 07 2012 04:37 ToXSiK wrote:This guy approached me last week to talk about a team arrangement for me. It all seemed to good to be true, he offered me a small salary ($50 a month if I were to stream a lot), gear, travel, etc.. And tbh I'm not very good and don't have very many results, just a GM on NA... I was about to sign with Blight until I read all of these posts about how he has screwed over multiple teams from different platforms and always comes back saying he will be legitimate this time. I asked where his funds were coming from, he was very indirect and it eventually boiled down to his own pocket, something that sort of scared me, as he also told me he wasn't employed. If he is employed by another company, he did not make any mention of this in our skype conversation. I don't know if he is to be trusted, from what I've read he doesn't seem to be very trustworthy from his past. The contract he sent me was very thorough and looked legitimate, but I turned down the offer after reading all of these posts, I didn't want to be a guinea pig for this dudes sc2 division. I hope the best for Crane, he is a very talented player, and I hope BlackFoger pulls through! If so, I will be dissapointed I didn't join, but we will see
So this guy has been pretty active behind the scenes lately. It makes you wonder though, where is all this money for all these things coming from?
Sounds all too familiar..
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On September 07 2012 03:13 Sent. wrote:Show nested quote +On September 07 2012 03:01 HornyHerring wrote:On September 07 2012 02:59 Sent. wrote:
Can someone explain me how exactly is that guy making profits from scamming players (if he really does that)? The contract says that he takes their tournament wins to 'manage' for the players. He promises paying for flights, accomodation etc. and never does that. There's a lot of reading in this thread with examples and cases you might wanna read on. I didn't ask about what he isn't doing. I'm asking how is it profitable to scam average pro or semi-pro players. I read some posts in this thread and I understand the problem. I just wonder how doing something like this can pay off.
Well, I'm going to OJ Simpson the fuck out of this. If I were going to be an eSports scammer in the Blight mold, here's what I'd do.
I'd promise a team or player travel expenses in exchange for tagging. My goal here is to get them to pay most or all of their expenses themselves; if I need to make small payments to facilitate this, then I'd do that. But generally I'm going to be offering money in the high hundreds of dollars to the thousands of dollars, both in salary and travel coverage depending on what I want to get out of them. Then I'm going to claim difficulties procuring the money, getting the team or player to cover their own travel to the event. I need to have a good relationship with them at this point, so they still participate in the event with my tag. After the event is over and they start asking awkward questions like 'when are we getting our money' I basically bail on them. I turn around and approach sponsors with the team's results - 'Hey, you should become a sponsor of xXx Gaming Club! xXxGC has big plans! Our team placed in the top 8 at YYY LAN, ahead of major teams like ZZZ Gaming! Our player 'Player01' is working to start streaming with a webcam and commentary on this service. He's going to have an overlay which will advertise your product to everyone who watches, and he'll talk about your product in the community! A partnership with us will be awesome for your organization!' - essentially the way a legitimate team would. I'm going to take the money they give me personally and either sell any goods I get - peripherals or hardware or whatever - to increase my takehome or use them as inducements for the next team or player I approach. If sponsors start asking awkward questions I'm going to bounce around as much as I can, running as many teams and players as possible through the system. Hopefully, that'll keep the sponsors continuing to pay me as long as they don't really pay attention to what's going on. I'd need to use multiple communities and keep bouncing around between them so I don't get too infamous.
Anyway. I wouldn't be surprised at all if that's what blackfoger was doing. If I were going to try to make a living scamming pro gamers - and to my knowledge, at the height of blackfoger's involvement with Dota, CSS and TF2 he was living with his parents, so it ain't a great living - that's how I'd do it.
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It's not impossible to fund a team yourself... I've funded LighT out of my own pocket for the past 9 months and I've given everyone on the team everything I promised.
As long as you can manage your funds properly, it's not outlandish to run a team from your own pocket.
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On September 06 2012 19:46 FXOBoSs wrote:
FXO already advised Crane on what he was getting into in a friendly manner.
At this point, it is entirely crane/any agent he may have's responsibility. Please do not assume that if I have not stopped this it is my fault. I cannot control the decisions of other people.
Thanks for understanding.
I don't think anyone blames you or thinks it's your fault. We're all, I think, glad that you offered the player your thoughts and advice.
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On September 07 2012 04:47 LuckoftheIrish wrote:Show nested quote +On September 07 2012 03:13 Sent. wrote:On September 07 2012 03:01 HornyHerring wrote:On September 07 2012 02:59 Sent. wrote:
Can someone explain me how exactly is that guy making profits from scamming players (if he really does that)? The contract says that he takes their tournament wins to 'manage' for the players. He promises paying for flights, accomodation etc. and never does that. There's a lot of reading in this thread with examples and cases you might wanna read on. I didn't ask about what he isn't doing. I'm asking how is it profitable to scam average pro or semi-pro players. I read some posts in this thread and I understand the problem. I just wonder how doing something like this can pay off. Well, I'm going to OJ Simpson the fuck out of this. If I were going to be an eSports scammer in the Blight mold, here's what I'd do. I'd promise a team or player travel expenses in exchange for tagging. My goal here is to get them to pay most or all of their expenses themselves; if I need to make small payments to facilitate this, then I'd do that. But generally I'm going to be offering money in the high hundreds of dollars to the thousands of dollars, both in salary and travel coverage depending on what I want to get out of them. Then I'm going to claim difficulties procuring the money, getting the team or player to cover their own travel to the event. I need to have a good relationship with them at this point, so they still participate in the event with my tag. After the event is over and they start asking awkward questions like 'when are we getting our money' I basically bail on them. I turn around and approach sponsors with the team's results - 'Hey, you should become a sponsor of xXx Gaming Club! xXxGC has big plans! Our team placed in the top 8 at YYY LAN, ahead of major teams like ZZZ Gaming! Our player 'Player01' is working to start streaming with a webcam and commentary on this service. He's going to have an overlay which will advertise your product to everyone who watches, and he'll talk about your product in the community! A partnership with us will be awesome for your organization!' - essentially the way a legitimate team would. I'm going to take the money they give me personally and either sell any goods I get - peripherals or hardware or whatever - to increase my takehome or use them as inducements for the next team or player I approach. If sponsors start asking awkward questions I'm going to bounce around as much as I can, running as many teams and players as possible through the system. Hopefully, that'll keep the sponsors continuing to pay me as long as they don't really pay attention to what's going on. I'd need to use multiple communities and keep bouncing around between them so I don't get too infamous. Anyway. I wouldn't be surprised at all if that's what blackfoger was doing. If I were going to try to make a living scamming pro gamers - and to my knowledge, at the height of blackfoger's involvement with Dota, CSS and TF2 he was living with his parents, so it ain't a great living - that's how I'd do it.
No pro would pay out of their own pocket to go places, let alone a Korean like Crane. If anyone even agreed to do that they're completely moronic and just as bad as the guy scamming them.
While I think Crane shouldn't have signed with Blight, I also think people are way over exaggerating when they say "Crane is going to get fucked over." Worst case scenario, they don't send him to any events and he's in Korea doing the same stuff he normally would do. If they send him to an event, that's great. If they promise him a salary and don't pay, well it sucks but then he can just leave the team.
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