With the recent formation of our squad we wanted to get an outside perspective, a player that we can learn from that has a different playstyle. Our squad needed a player that has the same dedication as us and had the same aligned goals. With weeks of conversing and planning we are pleased to announce a player with great potential Kim “Crane” han byul , formerly of FXO. Past few months Crane has been looking for a team that fits his expectations now he has a home in Blight Gaming. Crane is currently living in Suwon South Korea and is 21 years old.
“Hi im crane aka is FXOcrane, I join Team Blight Gaming they propose good condition so I think and join Team Blight Gaming so I am happy for join team” -Kim “Crane” han byul Player
“I can’t wait to see what crane can do in big tournaments, I can easily see him tear through an open bracket. Crane will be a great asset to our roster and has been providing insight to our other players in practices. He will be attending a few international events in the next few months. I am hoping that he will be our team ace in league’s coming up. I am glad he is giving the faith in us to push him to his limits. -James “blackoger” Larsen Owner
Some recent accomplishments: 1st NA ZOTAC Cup #66 2012-08-25 2nd NA ZOTAC Cup #56 2012-06-16 2nd TW Honor Cup #8 2012-06-09 2nd NA ZOTAC Cup #53 2012-05-26 1st TW Honor Cup #6 2012-05-26 3rd ZOTAC Cup Monthly Final March 2012 2012-04-23 1st NA ZOTAC Cup #43 2012-03-17 1st NA ZOTAC Cup #40 2012-02-25 1st NA ZOTAC Cup #37 2012-02-04
I'm so sorry for him. Have you let him know your history in the gaming scene? Does he know how many teams you've screwed over?
Seriously. Get out. Get out of the scene, get out of Starcraft, get out of eSports. Your history is too littered with broken promises and brazen lies for you to do anything else.
I haven't heard much from Team Blight, and those Zotac cup wins aren't very impressive, they are like Playhems, and Maynard has won idk how many of those and he is teamless. I'm so confused by this post. He is moving down from a HUGE and great team to a so so lower ranked team? GL to crane. Maybe I'm wrong, but this seems weird.
EDIT: LOL they are the team that fucked over cytoplasm, cArn and various others. This is a joke. I remember blackfoger now, he is the dude that scams progamers -_-;;.
On September 06 2012 11:34 docvoc wrote: I haven't heard much from Team Blight, and those Zotac cup wins aren't very impressive, they are like Playhems, and Maynard has won idk how many of those and he is teamless. I'm so confused by this post. He is moving down from a HUGE and great team to a so so lower ranked team? GL to crane. Maybe I'm wrong, but this seems weird.
Team Blight is fake. They have no money. They never have. They make big promises, never keep them and leave the players they con in bad situations. Remember that AZK thing, months ago? Blackfoger does that kind of stuff on the regular.
On September 06 2012 11:36 teaCher wrote: Is blight like Eclipsia?
What happened in the past?
The standard process is:
1) Promise player(s) you'll pay for all the things 2) Players make arrangements to travel to a tournament 3) Promise to cover their expenses 4) Vanish 5) Players get stuck paying the bills out of their own pocket 6) Players find new sponsors or retire 7) Return to step 1
On September 06 2012 11:47 tribulator wrote: I'm surprised this scumlord is still in esports...
This is the first timew ever i wish we had a foreing kespa equivelent. This bastartd would be in jail by now if we had something like that, no way kespa would let this asshat get away with his crap.
He doesn't do it in the same game more than two or three times. He's done it in... CS1.6, CSS, TF2, Dota two or three times and I can't remember the others. SC2 once already, I think.
On September 06 2012 12:00 Glurkenspurk wrote: Wow. Now they are preying on people that barely speak English?
Somehow they managed to hit a new lol, i wish i was surprised. I wonder if the crap hes about to pull is illegal in korea, and if where ever blackfoger lives will extradite. Its a nice thought.
Our players are aware of our history and have or are recieveing what they signed onto.
On September 06 2012 11:34 docvoc wrote:
EDIT: LOL they are the team that fucked over cytoplasm, cArn and various others. This is a joke. I remember blackfoger now, he is the dude that scams progamers -_-;;.
We never fucked over cArn or Cytoplasm
On September 06 2012 11:34 docvoc wrote:
Team Blight is fake. They have no money. They never have. They make big promises, never keep them and leave the players they con in bad situations. Remember that AZK thing, months ago? Blackfoger does that kind of stuff on the regular.
We are not fake we support numerous teams currently and have attended multiple events recently. We have several sponsors. I have never dealt with AZK anything said different is a lie.
For all those wanting to harass crane and/or our other players can you please relax. The hate has cost us a sponsorship with WASD keyboards as well as caused other issues. We have every intention to deliver for our team and will be announcing a new sponsor very shortly.
On September 06 2012 11:34 Torte de Lini wrote: Shit, no one warned Crane T_T
not really true, blight just told him a bunch of lies and false promises worth more thsan he could fetch elsewhere. Expect him to leave as soon as the first paycheck is due. NVM IM STUPID, i read that as wanted... yeah you're right...
EDIT: LOL they are the team that fucked over cytoplasm, cArn and various others. This is a joke. I remember blackfoger now, he is the dude that scams progamers -_-;;.
Team Blight is fake. They have no money. They never have. They make big promises, never keep them and leave the players they con in bad situations. Remember that AZK thing, months ago? Blackfoger does that kind of stuff on the regular.
We are not fake we support numerous teams currently and have attended multiple events recently. We have several sponsors. I have never dealt with AZK anything said different is a lie.
For all those wanting to harass crane and/or our other players can you please relax. The hate has cost us a sponsorship with WASD keyboards as well as caused other issues. We have every intention to deliver for our team and will be announcing a new sponsor very shortly.
Why come to the thread to hate? If you dont like blackforger or bligh then just simply ignore any post that you see from him/them... Its really not that hard rather than coming here and causing a ton of unnecessary drama. im starting to see what Tasteless was talking about with forums..
On September 06 2012 12:48 LgNKami wrote: Why come to the thread to hate? If you dont like blackforger or bligh then just simply ignore any post that you see from him/them... Its really not that hard rather than coming here and causing a ton of necessary drama. im starting to see what Tasteless was talking about with forums..
Because if they've really screwed over as many people as people say, then any new recruits they get should be warned so that it doesn't happen again.
On September 06 2012 12:48 LgNKami wrote: Why come to the thread to hate? If you dont like blackforger or bligh then just simply ignore any post that you see from him/them... Its really not that hard rather than coming here and causing a ton of necessary drama. im starting to see what Tasteless was talking about with forums..
Yeah, I'm sure that Crane was fully aware of the past situations involving Blackfoger and his "organization"....
also, I think you subconsciously typed necessary instead of unnecessary lol
EDIT: LOL they are the team that fucked over cytoplasm, cArn and various others. This is a joke. I remember blackfoger now, he is the dude that scams progamers -_-;;.
Team Blight is fake. They have no money. They never have. They make big promises, never keep them and leave the players they con in bad situations. Remember that AZK thing, months ago? Blackfoger does that kind of stuff on the regular.
We are not fake we support numerous teams currently and have attended multiple events recently. We have several sponsors. I have never dealt with AZK anything said different is a lie.
For all those wanting to harass crane and/or our other players can you please relax. The hate has cost us a sponsorship with WASD keyboards as well as caused other issues. We have every intention to deliver for our team and will be announcing a new sponsor very shortly.
he is right about not screwing over carn and cyto as far as i know. On the other hand, did ou engage a translator when talking to crane, and did he translate any of the articles about the crap you have pulled? I like to think people can change and you will make a solid team, but your previous mo makes me doubt it. That said if you are legitimitely changing, nice pick up.
On September 06 2012 12:48 LgNKami wrote: Why come to the thread to hate? If you dont like blackforger or bligh then just simply ignore any post that you see from him/them... Its really not that hard rather than coming here and causing a ton of necessary drama. im starting to see what Tasteless was talking about with forums..
Yeah, I'm sure that Crane was fully aware of the past situations involving Blackfoger and his "organization"....
also, I think you subconsciously typed necessary instead of unnecessary lol
On September 06 2012 12:48 LgNKami wrote: Why come to the thread to hate? If you dont like blackforger or bligh then just simply ignore any post that you see from him/them... Its really not that hard rather than coming here and causing a ton of necessary drama. im starting to see what Tasteless was talking about with forums..
Are you familiar with Blight's history?
A lot of people aren't. They've quote-unquote sponsored teams in many, many games now. The result has always been the same: the players end up screwed, paying for costs out of their own pocket after Blackfoger promises to cover their expenses at the minimum.
Blackfoger:
Did you or did you not promise your old Dota squad, consisting of Demon, Fear, Merlini, Puppey and Kuroky, salaries and travel expenses for LAN competitions? Did you or did you not follow through?
Did you or did you not lie to DaZed about getting your CSS team tickets to participate in ESEA? Did you or did you not offer them salaries? Did you or did you not follow through?
Did you or did you not promise anGer of Mika Gaming a $1,500 travel stipend to attend LANChamp LA? Did you or did you not follow through?
Did you or did you not promise Zomblerz, including heatwave and Griff, $500 to attend a LAN, in exchange for the team playing as Blight.Zomblerz? Did you or did you not follow through? If not, did JBL from Demonic Gaming cover the team's expenses instead? Did this cause MaxFrag, your lead sponsor, to drop your organization as a result?
Did you or did you not promise Fnatic Dota 100% expense coverage for ADL and 80% coverage for SMM? Did you or did you not offer to buy out their existing contracts with Fnatic at a cost of roughly 250 Euros per player? Did this iteration of blight.dota ever receive any money from you?
Did you represent Blight Gaming within the TF2 community as a registered LLC based in Washington, DC?
Did blight.fanom receive money from you? In particular, did you promise to pay for that team's travel expenses? Did you reimburse blight.fanom for their out-of-pocket expenses?
Was Daniel "rape" Börzsönyi of Dateam, at that time sponsored by Blight, correct in his characterization of your promises as 'a great lie'?
Was Alex Conroy of JMC correct with his characterization of your organization as fundamentally dishonest and illegitimate?
I'd welcome your answers to my questions. Until then your further participation in Starcraft and any other legitimate esports will be greeted with a mixture of scepticism and disdain.
On September 06 2012 12:28 Blackfoger wrote: Our players are aware of our history and have or are recieveing what they signed onto.
On September 06 2012 11:34 docvoc wrote:
EDIT: LOL they are the team that fucked over cytoplasm, cArn and various others. This is a joke. I remember blackfoger now, he is the dude that scams progamers -_-;;.
We never fucked over cArn or Cytoplasm
On September 06 2012 11:34 docvoc wrote:
Team Blight is fake. They have no money. They never have. They make big promises, never keep them and leave the players they con in bad situations. Remember that AZK thing, months ago? Blackfoger does that kind of stuff on the regular.
We are not fake we support numerous teams currently and have attended multiple events recently. We have several sponsors. I have never dealt with AZK anything said different is a lie.
For all those wanting to harass crane and/or our other players can you please relax. The hate has cost us a sponsorship with WASD keyboards as well as caused other issues. We have every intention to deliver for our team and will be announcing a new sponsor very shortly.
he is right about not screwing over carn and cyto as far as i know. On the other hand, did ou engage a translator when talking to crane, and did he translate any of the articles about the crap you have pulled? I like to think people can change and you will make a solid team, but your previous mo makes me doubt it. That said if you are legitimitely changing, nice pick up.
People can change but everyone will always know what they did in the past, unless this "team" and the management shows that they have changed people have every right to tell and warn the players that join or show interest in this organization. After second chances it becomes "empty words and promises".
On September 06 2012 13:01 Jaaaaasper wrote: I like to think people can change and you will make a solid team, but your previous mo makes me doubt it. That said if you are legitimitely changing, nice pick up.
We are trying to change but it's causing great pressure on our players and our sponsors. As well as cost us multiple sponsors. Just let us deliver then harrassing.
On September 06 2012 13:10 LuckoftheIrish wrote:
I'd welcome your answers to my questions. Until then your further participation in Starcraft and any other legitimate esports will be greeted with a mixture of scepticism and disdain.
If you want each story happy to tell over skype(Blackfoger). I do not want to talk ill of some of these players over a forum.
On September 06 2012 11:34 docvoc wrote: Why do you say "we", when it's really you?
We have multiple staff that work within Blight.
On September 06 2012 13:00 deathr0w wrote: No one in the CS scene likes him. Reason he left the scene and now attempting to come here, as no one knows him, so he thought.
We have many many supporters in CS more then you think. We supported team Zomblerz to multiple events and helped them progress in multiple means. We recently parted with the team on mutual terms after nearly a year. http://blightgaming.com/2012/08/26/good-luck-zomblerz/. No one said anything rude and multiple invite teams contacted us for sponsorship. I do think you meant CS scene ingeneral as we are not in 1.6 and are no longer in source. We currently sponsor a danish CS:GO team and will be announcing a NA CS:GO team shortly. We have never left the CS scene I do not know where you got that.
On September 06 2012 13:01 Jaaaaasper wrote: I like to think people can change and you will make a solid team, but your previous mo makes me doubt it. That said if you are legitimitely changing, nice pick up.
We are trying to change but it's causing great pressure on our players and our sponsors. As well as cost us multiple sponsors. Just let us deliver then harrassing.
I'd welcome your answers to my questions. Until then your further participation in Starcraft and any other legitimate esports will be greeted with a mixture of scepticism and disdain.
If you want each story happy to tell over skype(Blackfoger). I do not want to talk ill of some of these players over a forum.
On September 06 2012 13:00 deathr0w wrote: No one in the CS scene likes him. Reason he left the scene and now attempting to come here, as no one knows him, so he thought.
We have many many supporters in CS more then you think. We supported team Zomblerz to multiple events and helped them progress in multiple means. We recently parted with the team on mutual terms after nearly a year. http://blightgaming.com/2012/08/26/good-luck-zomblerz/. No one said anything rude and multiple invite teams contacted us for sponsorship. I do think you meant CS scene ingeneral as we are not in 1.6 and are no longer in source. We currently sponsor a danish CS:GO team and will be announcing a NA CS:GO team shortly. We have never left the CS scene I do not know where you got that.
I think the only way this could be settled would be for you to explain all those situations. I've never heard of you or your organization, but unless you publicly defend yourself, I (and everyone else seeing this) will be much more likely to side with the people accusing you since there are so many of them.
lol oh man ive had a run in with this guy and this team along time ago. No worries he'll flash you articles about how he's a millionaire or something and retired at 21. Except he's never paid out any money and has ripped off people i know.
The best was he promised to pay to fly out a team in Sc2 he was supposed to be sponsoring for an MLG about I'd say a year ago. I think it may have been itsgosu and pretty sure he screwed em on expenses and not paying what he said he would
On September 06 2012 13:41 LimeNade wrote: lol oh man ive had a run in with this guy and this team along time ago. No worries he'll flash you articles about how he's a millionaire or something and retired at 21. Except he's never paid out any money and has ripped off people i know.
The best was he promised to pay to fly out a team in Sc2 he was supposed to be sponsoring for an MLG about I'd say a year ago. I think it may have been itsgosu and pretty sure he screwed em on expenses and not paying what he said he would
lol he cannot provide flights for North American players, but then signs a Korean player. something doesn't seem right.
if there was a situation where I would support emailing sponsors, it's one like this. their money could simply go to better places.
Blight gaming again. Why do you have to pop out every year, at the rising e-sports games to screw up the players and cause them to retire/give up in teams? I have seen your organisation's name for three years straight (fourth time now). First time being a player pickup, next time an article on how you shat on that player with expenses that you promised to cover. Now, you're aiming for a korean. Good luck to crane, I'll wait for the article a few days later on how crane was fucked up thanks to you. Whatever this scammer says, do not listen. It is never the truth. He will never hold onto his promises.
On September 06 2012 13:41 LimeNade wrote: lol oh man ive had a run in with this guy and this team along time ago. No worries he'll flash you articles about how he's a millionaire or something and retired at 21. Except he's never paid out any money and has ripped off people i know.
The best was he promised to pay to fly out a team in Sc2 he was supposed to be sponsoring for an MLG about I'd say a year ago. I think it may have been itsgosu and pretty sure he screwed em on expenses and not paying what he said he would
I have paid out of pocket nearly 70k past 5 years just myself. You are spitting out rumors and conjecture if you want to actually get the truth can ask me personally.
On September 06 2012 13:41 LimeNade wrote: lol oh man ive had a run in with this guy and this team along time ago. No worries he'll flash you articles about how he's a millionaire or something and retired at 21. Except he's never paid out any money and has ripped off people i know.
The best was he promised to pay to fly out a team in Sc2 he was supposed to be sponsoring for an MLG about I'd say a year ago. I think it may have been itsgosu and pretty sure he screwed em on expenses and not paying what he said he would
I have paid out of pocket nearly 70k past 5 years just myself. You are spitting out rumors and conjecture if you want to actually get the truth can ask me personally.
70k to wipe the shit that you have caused.
Why skype? You do know that whatever you say on skype, we will still post it here, right? I want to hear what you have to say anout screwing up the (old) fnatic dota team.
On September 06 2012 13:41 LimeNade wrote: lol oh man ive had a run in with this guy and this team along time ago. No worries he'll flash you articles about how he's a millionaire or something and retired at 21. Except he's never paid out any money and has ripped off people i know.
The best was he promised to pay to fly out a team in Sc2 he was supposed to be sponsoring for an MLG about I'd say a year ago. I think it may have been itsgosu and pretty sure he screwed em on expenses and not paying what he said he would
lol he cannot provide flights for North American players, but then signs a Korean player. something doesn't seem right.
if there was a situation where I would support emailing sponsors, it's one like this. their money could simply go to better places.
Please stop with this emailing the sponsors trend, you have no idea how damaging it is, not only to the team, but to esports in general. If sponsors are getting angry emails each time they sponsor anything in esport because you want to be a drama queen, they will just all run away eventually.
On September 06 2012 13:41 LimeNade wrote: lol oh man ive had a run in with this guy and this team along time ago. No worries he'll flash you articles about how he's a millionaire or something and retired at 21. Except he's never paid out any money and has ripped off people i know.
The best was he promised to pay to fly out a team in Sc2 he was supposed to be sponsoring for an MLG about I'd say a year ago. I think it may have been itsgosu and pretty sure he screwed em on expenses and not paying what he said he would
I have paid out of pocket nearly 70k past 5 years just myself. You are spitting out rumors and conjecture if you want to actually get the truth can ask me personally.
Blackfoger, have you paid Ben back the $1,500 you owe him for bailing you out of expenses for an ESEA LAN? I really wish you would do the morally sound action and prioritize the people you owe over your fantasy to own an eSports team.
On September 06 2012 13:41 LimeNade wrote: lol oh man ive had a run in with this guy and this team along time ago. No worries he'll flash you articles about how he's a millionaire or something and retired at 21. Except he's never paid out any money and has ripped off people i know.
The best was he promised to pay to fly out a team in Sc2 he was supposed to be sponsoring for an MLG about I'd say a year ago. I think it may have been itsgosu and pretty sure he screwed em on expenses and not paying what he said he would
lol he cannot provide flights for North American players, but then signs a Korean player. something doesn't seem right.
if there was a situation where I would support emailing sponsors, it's one like this. their money could simply go to better places.
Please stop with this emailing the sponsors trend, you have no idea how damaging it is, not only to the team, but to esports in general. If sponsors are getting angry emails each time they sponsor anything in esport because you want to be a drama queen, they will just all run away eventually.
Understand context, man. Companies aren't usually run by children, and they certainly can understand the difference between real teams and shit like this. Emailing sponsors in a case like this makes perfect sense to me.
On September 06 2012 13:41 LimeNade wrote: lol oh man ive had a run in with this guy and this team along time ago. No worries he'll flash you articles about how he's a millionaire or something and retired at 21. Except he's never paid out any money and has ripped off people i know.
The best was he promised to pay to fly out a team in Sc2 he was supposed to be sponsoring for an MLG about I'd say a year ago. I think it may have been itsgosu and pretty sure he screwed em on expenses and not paying what he said he would
lol he cannot provide flights for North American players, but then signs a Korean player. something doesn't seem right.
if there was a situation where I would support emailing sponsors, it's one like this. their money could simply go to better places.
Please stop with this emailing the sponsors trend, you have no idea how damaging it is, not only to the team, but to esports in general. If sponsors are getting angry emails each time they sponsor anything in esport because you want to be a drama queen, they will just all run away eventually.
lolol advice from RickyMarou..... that only reinforces my belief further. for the record, I have never emailed a sponsor.
On September 06 2012 13:41 LimeNade wrote: lol oh man ive had a run in with this guy and this team along time ago. No worries he'll flash you articles about how he's a millionaire or something and retired at 21. Except he's never paid out any money and has ripped off people i know.
The best was he promised to pay to fly out a team in Sc2 he was supposed to be sponsoring for an MLG about I'd say a year ago. I think it may have been itsgosu and pretty sure he screwed em on expenses and not paying what he said he would
lol he cannot provide flights for North American players, but then signs a Korean player. something doesn't seem right.
if there was a situation where I would support emailing sponsors, it's one like this. their money could simply go to better places.
Please stop with this emailing the sponsors trend, you have no idea how damaging it is, not only to the team, but to esports in general. If sponsors are getting angry emails each time they sponsor anything in esport because you want to be a drama queen, they will just all run away eventually.
lolol advice from RickyMarou..... that only reinforces my belief further. for the record, I have never emailed a sponsor.
Nor have I, but if black foger pulls his crap again i will glady do so. I notice he responded to the part of my post that looked best for him, but didn't answer if he used a translator to speak with crane. Black foger, i know a guy who might be willing to if you ask him, so post in here saying you want him to translate for you with crane.
A player has a right to know the history of the organization, especially if it was a bad one. Without knowing this, there's a great chance that the player might get hurt in the end (not saying that the player won't receive his salary; his name being tied to a team with bad history might tarnish himself).
If Crane is not aware of the issues in the past, I'll gladly tell him. I'm not going to suggest him to quit the team; that's his own decision. However, I believe he has the right to know what he's up against.
P.S. Don't even send mails to sponsors please. The last thing we need is pitchforks. Lets try to resolve this in a reasonable manner first.
On September 06 2012 14:49 Dispersion wrote: Get Crane the FUCK out of there! NOW!
Yeah if what I've read so far is true, then we need to get him out before he gets fucked over. I don't care what this guy thinks he can pull off, but if he actually scammed this many people, he should leave progamming and never come back. This shit is literally unforgivable.
Can someone give me the Coles notes on Blight and whats been going on? First time ive been completely unaware of something that seems pretty serious. Would like to escalate it if its as bad as everyone makes out.
On September 06 2012 15:03 Kennigit wrote: Can someone give me the Coles notes on Blight and whats been going on? First time ive been completely unaware of something that seems pretty serious. Would like to escalate it if its as bad as everyone makes out.
I'd like to second this. I had no idea something this serious had been flying under the radar for so long.
On September 06 2012 15:03 Kennigit wrote: Can someone give me the Coles notes on Blight and whats been going on? First time ive been completely unaware of something that seems pretty serious. Would like to escalate it if its as bad as everyone makes out.
LuckoftheIrish's post on page 2 touches on a lot of the history involving Blackfoger and Blight. Basically, he has made numerous promises to players and teams in progaming(not sure if these were contracts or just unofficial agreements), then he has been unwilling or unable to follow through on said obligations.
On September 06 2012 15:12 supernovamaniac wrote: Crane: "But I already signed the contract..."
Oh boy.
Fuck, this is bad. Best of luck crane, you;re going to need it. Is it legal in korea to sign a contract with out it being translated? as in could it be voided? Sounds like black foger is talking out of his ass when saying his players werer warned about his history.
On September 06 2012 15:12 supernovamaniac wrote: Crane: "But I already signed the contract..."
Oh boy.
Fuck, this is bad. Best of luck crane, you;re going to need it. Is it legal in korea to sign a contract with out it being translated? as in could it be voided? Sounds like black foger is talking out of his ass when saying his players werer warned about his history.
On September 06 2012 15:12 supernovamaniac wrote: Crane: "But I already signed the contract..."
Oh boy.
Fuck, this is bad. Best of luck crane, you;re going to need it. Is it legal in korea to sign a contract with out it being translated? as in could it be voided? Sounds like black foger is talking out of his ass when saying his players werer warned about his history.
Not translated. It was in English.
Bastard. Thats jsut slimey. Looks like hes still at it.
I have the full conversation saved just in case. From what I know, however, Crane said:
1. He didn't know about the team's history 2. His contract was in English, not translated. It seemed like he didn't understand English well either, given that he told me he couldn't understand the cadred page because it was in English 3. He already signed the contract.
I don't know how valid or true these things are though.
Not valid NerdBuster was a rumor site that published articles base on teams rumors. I know a few of them were published about a competiting team to create drama within that team.
I don't know how valid or true these things are though.
Not valid NerdBuster was a rumor site that published articles base on teams rumors. I know a few of them were published about a competiting team to create drama within that team.
I'm curious why you've avoided so many questions that people who know you from the past, asked. Also why didn't you translate the contract to crane? That's pretty shady.
I don't know how valid or true these things are though.
Not valid NerdBuster was a rumor site that published articles base on teams rumors. I know a few of them were published about a competiting team to create drama within that team.
I don't know how valid or true these things are though.
Not valid NerdBuster was a rumor site that published articles base on teams rumors. I know a few of them were published about a competiting team to create drama within that team.
So, everyone is out to get you and your team now? People in progaming are simply fabricating lies to distort your reputation? How about you own up to the questions raised in this thread instead of selectively answering(and ignoring) them, because it looks like you pulled the wool over Crane's eyes to gain an advantage in signing him.
On September 06 2012 12:48 LgNKami wrote: Why come to the thread to hate? If you dont like blackforger or bligh then just simply ignore any post that you see from him/them... Its really not that hard rather than coming here and causing a ton of necessary drama. im starting to see what Tasteless was talking about with forums..
Are you familiar with Blight's history?
A lot of people aren't. They've quote-unquote sponsored teams in many, many games now. The result has always been the same: the players end up screwed, paying for costs out of their own pocket after Blackfoger promises to cover their expenses at the minimum.
Blackfoger:
Did you or did you not promise your old Dota squad, consisting of Demon, Fear, Merlini, Puppey and Kuroky, salaries and travel expenses for LAN competitions? Did you or did you not follow through?
Did you or did you not lie to DaZed about getting your CSS team tickets to participate in ESEA? Did you or did you not offer them salaries? Did you or did you not follow through?
Did you or did you not promise anGer of Mika Gaming a $1,500 travel stipend to attend LANChamp LA? Did you or did you not follow through?
Did you or did you not promise Zomblerz, including heatwave and Griff, $500 to attend a LAN, in exchange for the team playing as Blight.Zomblerz? Did you or did you not follow through? If not, did JBL from Demonic Gaming cover the team's expenses instead? Did this cause MaxFrag, your lead sponsor, to drop your organization as a result?
Did you or did you not promise Fnatic Dota 100% expense coverage for ADL and 80% coverage for SMM? Did you or did you not offer to buy out their existing contracts with Fnatic at a cost of roughly 250 Euros per player? Did this iteration of blight.dota ever receive any money from you?
Did you represent Blight Gaming within the TF2 community as a registered LLC based in Washington, DC?
Did blight.fanom receive money from you? In particular, did you promise to pay for that team's travel expenses? Did you reimburse blight.fanom for their out-of-pocket expenses?
Was Daniel "rape" Börzsönyi of Dateam, at that time sponsored by Blight, correct in his characterization of your promises as 'a great lie'?
Was Alex Conroy of JMC correct with his characterization of your organization as fundamentally dishonest and illegitimate?
I'd welcome your answers to my questions. Until then your further participation in Starcraft and any other legitimate esports will be greeted with a mixture of scepticism and disdain.
Quoting this as this is basically what everyone wants to hear from Blackfoger himself
Edit:
On September 06 2012 15:03 Kennigit wrote: Can someone give me the Coles notes on Blight and whats been going on? First time ive been completely unaware of something that seems pretty serious. Would like to escalate it if its as bad as everyone makes out.
On September 06 2012 12:48 LgNKami wrote: Why come to the thread to hate? If you dont like blackforger or bligh then just simply ignore any post that you see from him/them... Its really not that hard rather than coming here and causing a ton of necessary drama. im starting to see what Tasteless was talking about with forums..
Are you familiar with Blight's history?
A lot of people aren't. They've quote-unquote sponsored teams in many, many games now. The result has always been the same: the players end up screwed, paying for costs out of their own pocket after Blackfoger promises to cover their expenses at the minimum.
Blackfoger:
Did you or did you not promise your old Dota squad, consisting of Demon, Fear, Merlini, Puppey and Kuroky, salaries and travel expenses for LAN competitions? Did you or did you not follow through?
Did you or did you not lie to DaZed about getting your CSS team tickets to participate in ESEA? Did you or did you not offer them salaries? Did you or did you not follow through?
Did you or did you not promise anGer of Mika Gaming a $1,500 travel stipend to attend LANChamp LA? Did you or did you not follow through?
Did you or did you not promise Zomblerz, including heatwave and Griff, $500 to attend a LAN, in exchange for the team playing as Blight.Zomblerz? Did you or did you not follow through? If not, did JBL from Demonic Gaming cover the team's expenses instead? Did this cause MaxFrag, your lead sponsor, to drop your organization as a result?
Did you or did you not promise Fnatic Dota 100% expense coverage for ADL and 80% coverage for SMM? Did you or did you not offer to buy out their existing contracts with Fnatic at a cost of roughly 250 Euros per player? Did this iteration of blight.dota ever receive any money from you?
Did you represent Blight Gaming within the TF2 community as a registered LLC based in Washington, DC?
Did blight.fanom receive money from you? In particular, did you promise to pay for that team's travel expenses? Did you reimburse blight.fanom for their out-of-pocket expenses?
Was Daniel "rape" Börzsönyi of Dateam, at that time sponsored by Blight, correct in his characterization of your promises as 'a great lie'?
Was Alex Conroy of JMC correct with his characterization of your organization as fundamentally dishonest and illegitimate?
I'd welcome your answers to my questions. Until then your further participation in Starcraft and any other legitimate esports will be greeted with a mixture of scepticism and disdain.
Quoting this as this is basically what everyone wants to hear from Blackfoger himself
On September 06 2012 15:03 Kennigit wrote: Can someone give me the Coles notes on Blight and whats been going on? First time ive been completely unaware of something that seems pretty serious. Would like to escalate it if its as bad as everyone makes out.
I would like to see him answer all these questions without blatantly ignoring them.
On September 06 2012 15:38 Blackfoger wrote: Talked with a few staff and players I will write a long and detaile article about our past within next day or two.
Did you lose your credit card and need "3-5 business days" to answer a few questions now?
I hope the contract can be voided because it wasn't translated to korean, because people deserve second chances, not 15 of them.
I'm not sure what contract law is like in the US, but in Australia you can't include unreasonable clauses in a contract or sign under deception, whilst under the influence etc... it's all pretty standard stuff. So the contract becomes unenforceable regardless of it being signed.
If some dodgy stuff is going on I would be very surprised if Crank couldn't just walk. I'd be disappointed if the states didn't have similar provisions designed to protect both parties in a contract.
On September 06 2012 13:10 LuckoftheIrish wrote: Did you represent Blight Gaming within the TF2 community as a registered LLC based in Washington, DC?
Did blight.fanom receive money from you? In particular, did you promise to pay for that team's travel expenses? Did you reimburse blight.fanom for their out-of-pocket expenses?
I cant comment on any of the CS, SC2 or Dota goings on with blight, but in TF2, blackfoger has really and truly screwed over teams several times over the last few years.
Though I cannot confirm current standing, blackfoger, as of earlier this year, owed one TF2 player over $1000 USD for promised flights and hotels. Said player payed that out of pocket so that his team might be able to get to LAN and compete.
May be the same incident, but I also remember that a team was trying to check into their hotel, but when the hotel ran the credit card information (blackfoger's, or more likely as we found out, his mother's), it wouldn't go through so the team had to pay for the hotel out of pocket. That may or may not have been payed back, a lot of the articles and forum proceedings that occurred during that time have since been completely lost, but there are some really shady business practices going on with blackfoger. His past performance in the TF2 community has been spotty to say the least.
I really do hope that blackfoger can come through here, esports needs more sponsors. As far as I know, they have a TF2 team right now (blight.Xensity) that they are providing league fees, servers etc for, without incident. It is possible that they have cleaned up their act, as I never got the vibe from blackfoger that he was a scammer, just someone who was way in over their head on something that takes a lot more planning, organisation, work and money than they thought.
Skepticism here is well deserved, and everyone involved needs to be aware of the shady practices in the past. Blight is a bad name in the TF2 community, and it has a long way to go before it can even start building up a positive reputation.
really informative article on ESEA site about the TF2 team, some of the CS things and an ex staff member of blight (TheWhiz) talking about what went on and such.
Seriously, this guy is bad mojo, I dont really know who Crane is, but when I saw Blight on the sidebar on this site, I almost cried. I hope things turn out better this time for blackfoger and everyone involved.
On September 06 2012 12:48 LgNKami wrote: Why come to the thread to hate? If you dont like blackforger or bligh then just simply ignore any post that you see from him/them... Its really not that hard rather than coming here and causing a ton of unnecessary drama. im starting to see what Tasteless was talking about with forums..
yeah. let's just all keep our mouths shut about a known repeat scammer because ... why?
instead of exposing truth and trying to protect gullible people like crane we should just keep our mouths shut?
I don't have the link but if you do some searching on ESEA there is also an audio interview between some of the people involved with blight tf2 and ESEA.
On September 06 2012 16:00 Mufaa wrote: I don't have the link but if you do some searching on ESEA there is also an audio interview between some of the people involved with blight tf2 and ESEA.
Going through all this content is pretty crazy. There are literally tons of posts about this kid outright lying and scamming people. My sympathies go out to Crane for sure. He used the language barrier to gain an unfair advantage. Now if that is not shady then I do not know what is shady then.
Whoa these thinks are really quite damning. Some of this stuff is downright shameful and embarrassing, really. I find it very hard to believe that this time will be any different--this guy really is going to have a very, very difficult time talking himself out of this one. My heart goes out to Crane. :\
I went into this thinking I had no idea what Blight was, but I actually remember the stir its founder caused in the Dota community.
Stop asking him questions. Pathological liars will only answer the questions which are unprovable and give scarecrow arguments. It's not worth your time talking to him.
It IS worth our time to right his wrongs when it comes to up-and-coming players.
On September 06 2012 15:03 Kennigit wrote: Can someone give me the Coles notes on Blight and whats been going on? First time ive been completely unaware of something that seems pretty serious. Would like to escalate it if its as bad as everyone makes out.
On September 06 2012 15:03 Kennigit wrote: Can someone give me the Coles notes on Blight and whats been going on? First time ive been completely unaware of something that seems pretty serious. Would like to escalate it if its as bad as everyone makes out.
This is a pretty comprehensive list based off of memory. Might be missing a couple (about some NA CS:S/TF2 teams) but it gets the point across.
Also take this one with a HUGE grain of salt as it doesn't seem confirmed to be Blackfoger but this reddit post someone under the name blackfoger1 claims their only sponsor WASD dropped them as of 8 days ago.
On September 06 2012 15:03 Kennigit wrote: Can someone give me the Coles notes on Blight and whats been going on? First time ive been completely unaware of something that seems pretty serious. Would like to escalate it if its as bad as everyone makes out.
there are a few linked in here but i'm sure if you did a google search you could find plenty of articles as well
Whether he is still a scammer or not his reputation in eSports is shot... There's no recovering from what has happened. He tried to pick up a few players/teams prior to this that I know but I advised against it simply because of the immediate backlash (albeit, rightful backlash) that would happen if an announcement like this one would occur.
I've never heard of this guy so I can't comment (though this certainly sounds quite terrible).
I'm surprised that Crane went ahead and signed a contract he didn't understand with a company he didn't know anything about. I know most progamers are kids, but god damn, that's pretty damn stupid.
edit: some of this stuff i'm reading has to be illegal..
Lol. Just lol. How can anyone take a contract seriously when it contains these gems, among many more:
3. Compensation and Related Matters(A) Annual Base Salary. During the Term, the Employee shall receive a base salary (the “Annual Base Salary”) at a starting rate of $0 per monthly exponentially increasing with the acquired workload deemed by the Company, which amount shall be increased by 5% per annum on a cumulative basis on each anniversary of the Effective Date.
Mmm. $0 base salary which increases exponentially sounds super lucrative.
Non trolling clause (A) The Employee is to NOT in-gauge in any behavior characterized as a troll, whom is someone who posts inflammatory, extraneous, commences an argument or off-topic messages in an online community, such as an online discussion forum, chat room, or blog, with the primary intent of provoking other users into a desired emotional response or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion as well as performs wise-crackery, posting incorrect information, asking blatantly stupid questions, or other foolishness.
I don't think I've ever seen a more professional document.
All in all this guy has a lot of explaining to do. I feel like with that bad of a history though, explanations are somewhat worthless, no matter how long & detailed they are. At some point you need to start actually walking the walk instead of just talking the talk.
Well, a quick search tells me that some people in the SC2 community, such as Holcan and cArn, have had dealings with this bloke before. It might be worth asking them whether he dealt with them fairly and what their opinions of him are, Kennigit.
32. Prize Money. (A) Blight LLC receives the prerogative to manage the intake of money from third party companies and private benefactors. Each transaction will be sent to PayPal address his email@email.net
I personally like this one, that couldn't be abused at all right?
I'm pretty sure with a history like that (assuming that every wrongdoing is a fact), then the contract can be voided on the basis of fraudulent motives ^^
32. Prize Money. (A) Blight LLC receives the prerogative to manage the intake of money from third party companies and private benefactors. Each transaction will be sent to PayPal address his email@email.net
I personally like this one, that couldn't be abused at all right?
lol straight to the ole PayPal account. A $0 salary growing exponentially and this too? No wonder Crane couldn't pass this deal up..
I have no interest in getting the answers to my questions through Skype, and you should have no reason to provide them privately. It's not my name and credibility that's in question. Its yours. Defend yourself and answer your critics in public or not at all.
FXO already advised Crane on what he was getting into in a friendly manner.
At this point, it is entirely crane/any agent he may have's responsibility. Please do not assume that if I have not stopped this it is my fault. I cannot control the decisions of other people.
the fuck, how can I not know about something this serious? And crane signed the contract even though he doesn't understand anything written in the contract? this is just screwed up
On September 06 2012 13:50 Blackfoger wrote: I have paid out of pocket nearly 70k past 5 years just myself. You are spitting out rumors and conjecture if you want to actually get the truth can ask me personally.
Weird that you can afford to pay $70,000 out of pocket for esports expenses, yet you're still sitting on a $2300+ debt to smaka from when you failed to deliver what you promised to his TF2 team. I don't think the $30 you sent him on Paypal was quite enough to cover it...
Crane is not of legal age until January 1st 2013 to sign contracts without the consent of his parents. He also can not agree to "fully understanding the terms and conditions" which should be labled (in S.Korea jurisdictional law) if the contract is in English without a Korean translation also being on the contract.
On September 06 2012 12:28 Blackfoger wrote: Our players are aware of our history and have or are recieveing what they signed onto.
Didn't sound like Saltthewound knew anything about your history, when they talked about it yesterday on TakeTV.
Saltthewound is on blight??
funny how blackfoger always refuses to answer detailed questions and just comes up with something like "we made mistakes in the past" when in reality he was scamming players..
On September 06 2012 20:22 lastshadow wrote: Crane is not of legal age until January 1st 2013 to sign contracts without the consent of his parents. He also can not agree to "fully understanding the terms and conditions" which should be labled (in S.Korea jurisdictional law) if the contract is in English without a Korean translation also being on the contract.
This means that the contract can go void? Cool, this gives Crane a second chance to think about his decision.
On September 06 2012 20:22 lastshadow wrote: Crane is not of legal age until January 1st 2013 to sign contracts without the consent of his parents. He also can not agree to "fully understanding the terms and conditions" which should be labled (in S.Korea jurisdictional law) if the contract is in English without a Korean translation also being on the contract.
This means that the contract can go void? Cool, this gives Crane a second chance to think about his decision.
This is one of those time when you start to realize how useful those annoying contract law can be
On September 06 2012 20:22 lastshadow wrote: Crane is not of legal age until January 1st 2013 to sign contracts without the consent of his parents. He also can not agree to "fully understanding the terms and conditions" which should be labled (in S.Korea jurisdictional law) if the contract is in English without a Korean translation also being on the contract.
On September 06 2012 21:22 Freezer_au wrote: Same guy that tried to buy Team oGaming this time last year Going through my chat/email logs, I knew I recognized Blight from somewhere!
... so did you promise him a team house like you tried to do with other Korean players? Last I checked I'm still trying to see if you guys have one established by now.
*facepalm*
On September 06 2012 12:28 Blackfoger wrote: Our players are aware of our history and have or are recieveing what they signed onto.
Did you change your tactic? When you were trying to sign a certain different Korean player, you did not start off by explaining your team history; I ended up hearing about it through other people in the industry.
good news all like supernova i got through to crane as I cast zotac alot and a good friend of his. I let him know everything going on and as supernova said he already signed but i relayed lastshadows post to him. Hope it helps him cause i feel bad now. if need be I also own an up and coming team and we can see if we can buy the contract out and release him from it or something not sure. I hate seeing people screwed.
On September 07 2012 00:10 Handfromabov wrote: good news all like supernova i got through to crane as I cast zotac alot and a good friend of his. I let him know everything going on and as supernova said he already signed but i relayed lastshadows post to him. Hope it helps him cause i feel bad now. if need be I also own an up and coming team and we can see if we can buy the contract out and release him from it or something not sure. I hate seeing people screwed.
Why would you buy out this contract? lol; it's obviously not going to work if the signer (Crane) didn't 100% FULLY understand what he was getting himself into, and if he is not of legal age.
On September 06 2012 20:22 lastshadow wrote: Crane is not of legal age until January 1st 2013 to sign contracts without the consent of his parents. He also can not agree to "fully understanding the terms and conditions" which should be labled (in S.Korea jurisdictional law) if the contract is in English without a Korean translation also being on the contract.
Here here, thanks for posting this, Maybe this can help him out.
EDIT: LOL they are the team that fucked over cytoplasm, cArn and various others. This is a joke. I remember blackfoger now, he is the dude that scams progamers -_-;;.
Team Blight is fake. They have no money. They never have. They make big promises, never keep them and leave the players they con in bad situations. Remember that AZK thing, months ago? Blackfoger does that kind of stuff on the regular.
We are not fake we support numerous teams currently and have attended multiple events recently. We have several sponsors. I have never dealt with AZK anything said different is a lie.
For all those wanting to harass crane and/or our other players can you please relax. The hate has cost us a sponsorship with WASD keyboards as well as caused other issues. We have every intention to deliver for our team and will be announcing a new sponsor very shortly.
Your sponsorship with keyboards doesnt change the fact u didnt pay for players expenses when traveling after you just ditched them.
On September 06 2012 20:10 Champloo wrote: That contract is hilarious.
On September 06 2012 12:28 Blackfoger wrote: Our players are aware of our history and have or are recieveing what they signed onto.
Didn't sound like Saltthewound knew anything about your history, when they talked about it yesterday on TakeTV.
Saltthewound is on blight??
funny how blackfoger always refuses to answer detailed questions and just comes up with something like "we made mistakes in the past" when in reality he was scamming players..
He said he joined recently, but apparently it's not announced here yet.
I posted some links regarding this topic in the IRC when they talked about it, TaKe noticed and briefly mentioned it, maybe STW will do some more research on his own now, I don't know if he knew about this before.
On September 06 2012 20:22 lastshadow wrote: Crane is not of legal age until January 1st 2013 to sign contracts without the consent of his parents. He also can not agree to "fully understanding the terms and conditions" which should be labled (in S.Korea jurisdictional law) if the contract is in English without a Korean translation also being on the contract.
So basically he's not bound to anything after all? That's good to know.
On September 06 2012 13:41 LimeNade wrote: lol oh man ive had a run in with this guy and this team along time ago. No worries he'll flash you articles about how he's a millionaire or something and retired at 21. Except he's never paid out any money and has ripped off people i know.
The best was he promised to pay to fly out a team in Sc2 he was supposed to be sponsoring for an MLG about I'd say a year ago. I think it may have been itsgosu and pretty sure he screwed em on expenses and not paying what he said he would
I have paid out of pocket nearly 70k past 5 years just myself. You are spitting out rumors and conjecture if you want to actually get the truth can ask me personally.
What do you do? Because I have a pretty successful career and I haven't paid $70k out of pocket for anything, save taxes, in the last 5 years.
Crane can legally sign a contract, he's over 18. The contract also doesn't have to be under Korean jurisdictional law in order to hold Crane to it -- obviously it makes any legal action more difficult but it doesn't preclude anything...
It's kinda a moot point though, not like this guy will try to sue Crane for leaving a contract or anything. Even major teams don't take legal action (cuz it's fucking expensive).
Fucking scum of the earth, going after people who can't speak English. I do not believe in Hell, but I now hope there is one far worse then any biblical accounts waiting for you. Go die in a fire.
Even if he can still sign with his age and the contract being in english, I think the way that retard writes his contracts it would be laughed out of court if he tried anything. A high school drop out can write a more convincing contract. I think this black fog needs to stop "in-gauging" in esports scamming.
On September 07 2012 02:22 lem0ncake wrote: why isn't this guy banned?
Being an ass doesn't result in an instant ban.
On September 07 2012 02:27 VirgilSC2 wrote: Just for some standpoint as to how delusional Blackfoger has gotten, the list of players he mentioned to me he was looking at acquiring are:
LOL, I wish him the best of luck. Maybe CoCa if something bad would happen with SlayerS in the future, although he would probably get a lot of offers then.
this isn't the same as running to sponsors to yell about some little kid shit like someone using bad language or making a racist joke on a stream. this guy is a cancer of e-sports. he fucks over players, teams, and his partners financially through pathological lying and deceit. he's a snake that goes from scene to scene making as big a mess as he can and before being forced out to try somewhere else where he's not as well known. don't let him into SC2. tell the players, tell the teams, and yes tell the sponsors. if anything is killing e-sports it's people like blackfoger.
I came here hoping for an awesome unit, and all I got was a terrible story of a known e-sports scammer. Best of luck to Crane, I hope if anything he will be the last person to deal with Blackfoger in SC2 and other e-sports.
On September 07 2012 02:27 VirgilSC2 wrote: Just for some standpoint as to how delusional Blackfoger has gotten, the list of players he mentioned to me he was looking at acquiring are:
On September 06 2012 13:41 LimeNade wrote: lol oh man ive had a run in with this guy and this team along time ago. No worries he'll flash you articles about how he's a millionaire or something and retired at 21. Except he's never paid out any money and has ripped off people i know.
The best was he promised to pay to fly out a team in Sc2 he was supposed to be sponsoring for an MLG about I'd say a year ago. I think it may have been itsgosu and pretty sure he screwed em on expenses and not paying what he said he would
I have paid out of pocket nearly 70k past 5 years just myself. You are spitting out rumors and conjecture if you want to actually get the truth can ask me personally.
What do you do? Because I have a pretty successful career and I haven't paid $70k out of pocket for anything, save taxes, in the last 5 years.
Chill come on man 70K !!!!!!!!!!!! obviously if he said it must be true. He's retired at 21 with lots of money just ask him about all money he has and the house he's building for his team. Oh don't forget to ask him for the infamous article he'll show you bout all the monies he has before recruiting you. (the article maybe true but everything else is B.S. )
On September 06 2012 12:48 LgNKami wrote: Why come to the thread to hate? If you dont like blackforger or bligh then just simply ignore any post that you see from him/them... Its really not that hard rather than coming here and causing a ton of unnecessary drama. im starting to see what Tasteless was talking about with forums..
Oh ok. So a person with a bad history of scamming people potentially scams a korean progamer, and instead of trying to expose him as a scam artist and warn crane and future players, we should just ignore him and let him continue trick players into signing for him. This isn't pointless player drama, people's careers could be at risk from this kid. Do a bit of thinking next time you post.
On September 07 2012 02:57 SilSol wrote: Wait what? can someone tell me what's wrong here? They recruited a new player and? What's wrong with that? Someone has some past story about this guy?
Don't ask pointless questions if you haven't bothered to read the whole thread/links with past history.
To sum it up: blackfoger, the team's manager, is known for not paying (either entirely or only some of the money) what he has promised, and also have screwed over some teams by not purchasing airline tickets on time/not purchasing tickets at all before LAN tournaments. This wasn't an one-time issue; it has been repeating.
On September 07 2012 02:57 SilSol wrote: Wait what? can someone tell me what's wrong here? They recruited a new player and? What's wrong with that? Someone has some past story about this guy?
Read the thread. There is history of this organization being very disingenuous and not paying for or reimbursing its players for salary or travel expenses.
On September 07 2012 02:59 Sent. wrote: Can someone explain me how exactly is that guy making profits from scamming players (if he really does that)?
The contract says that he takes their tournament wins to 'manage' for the players. He promises paying for flights, accomodation etc. and never does that. There's a lot of reading in this thread with examples and cases you might wanna read on.
On September 07 2012 02:59 Sent. wrote: Can someone explain to me how exactly is that guy making profits from scamming players (if he really does that)?
Maybe he just is a pathological liar and mentally ill, and wants to be the "owner" of an esports team. I can't believe so many people have fell for it after the wealth of information of all his past scams.
I also really wonder why people don't read contracts or demand translations(This even moreso, you can lose millions of dollars very easily even to someone who's been friendly with you for years).
Yeah seems he has some issues, pathological liar dreaming about owning a big team was my first thought as well. I don't think any totally sane scammer would post so enthusiastic on TL like he did, after screwing so many teams in the past.
On September 07 2012 02:27 VirgilSC2 wrote: Just for some standpoint as to how delusional Blackfoger has gotten, the list of players he mentioned to me he was looking at acquiring are:
On September 07 2012 02:59 Sent. wrote: Can someone explain me how exactly is that guy making profits from scamming players (if he really does that)?
The contract says that he takes their tournament wins to 'manage' for the players. He promises paying for flights, accomodation etc. and never does that. There's a lot of reading in this thread with examples and cases you might wanna read on.
I didn't ask about what he isn't doing. I'm asking how is it profitable to scam average pro or semi-pro players. I read some posts in this thread and I understand the problem. I just wonder how doing something like this can pay off.
On September 07 2012 03:09 Shikyo wrote: I also really wonder why people don't read contracts or demand translations(This even moreso, you can lose millions of dollars very easily even to someone who's been friendly with you for years).
Or at least google the name of the guy that wants you to sign his contract. 1 minute work, but if he's a known scammer you will find out.
When I worked at a webcompany we never did that, until we found out on television that one of our customers was the main scammer of the Netherlands at that time lol. He bought companies, stripped them, and let them go bankrupt. He also had at least 10 websites made before at other webcompanies and never paid for a single one of them lol.
On September 07 2012 02:59 Sent. wrote: Can someone explain me how exactly is that guy making profits from scamming players (if he really does that)?
The contract says that he takes their tournament wins to 'manage' for the players. He promises paying for flights, accomodation etc. and never does that. There's a lot of reading in this thread with examples and cases you might wanna read on.
I didn't ask about what he isn't doing. I'm asking how is it profitable to scam average pro or semi-pro players. I read some posts in this thread and I understand the problem. I just wonder how doing something like this can pay off.
Some people don't measure their satisfaction by money.
Ok.. even if there is a terrible history perhaps Blight and/or Blackfoger changed....
Oh.. wait. If they really wanted to change, or even had a BRAIN in their SKULL, they would have done what any smart organization does when they screw up. CHANGE THEIR NAME.
Really Blackfoger? You screw teams and players (as this evidence is pretty condemning and from multiple sources) and don't even change your handle, the teams name, or the business' name?
LOL That alone tells you what kind of "organization" (if there is one) this is. You even suck at scamming people. Changing your name/contact info is like rule #1 in scamming!
On September 07 2012 03:09 Shikyo wrote: I really wonder why this isn't illegal.
I also really wonder why people don't read contracts or demand translations(This even moreso, you can lose millions of dollars very easily even to someone who's been friendly with you for years).
Oh right, blackfoger, when's your 18th birthday?
When that happens will he stop using his mother credit card to not finance his team? Maybe black foger is massively unqualified for this and all of those problems where due to that, but he should be stopped before he rips even more people off.
I can't believe there are people who think it's okay to sign a player to a contract in a language that they don't understand. That's a tactic traditionally used when white guys wanted to take over the land currently occupied by people with darker skin. It's not an acceptable business practice... ever.
On September 07 2012 02:27 VirgilSC2 wrote: Just for some standpoint as to how delusional Blackfoger has gotten, the list of players he mentioned to me he was looking at acquiring are:
This pretty much confirms Blackfoger is full of shit. Why not sign one of those players first? It would make much more sense to do that instead of signing someone like Crane who isn't on the same level of skill and popularity as them.
Oh shit i just read thru the entire thread and news about this guy called Blackfoger. It seems that hes just a big liar and just screw people over. Seriously can someone just do something about this guy? Like how can he still be doing this shit? Hes been doing this in many other games and he just keeps on doing it?
Jesus christ blackfoger, we don't want people like you here.
This guy approached me last week to talk about a team arrangement for me. It all seemed to good to be true, he offered me a small salary ($50 a month if I were to stream a lot), gear, travel, etc.. And tbh I'm not very good and don't have very many results, just a GM on NA... I was about to sign with Blight until I read all of these posts about how he has screwed over multiple teams from different platforms and always comes back saying he will be legitimate this time.
I asked where his funds were coming from, he was very indirect and it eventually boiled down to his own pocket, something that sort of scared me, as he also told me he wasn't employed. If he is employed by another company, he did not make any mention of this in our skype conversation.
I don't know if he is to be trusted, from what I've read he doesn't seem to be very trustworthy from his past. The contract he sent me was very thorough and looked legitimate, but I turned down the offer after reading all of these posts, I didn't want to be a guinea pig for this dudes sc2 division.
I hope the best for Crane, he is a very talented player, and I hope BlackFoger pulls through! If so, I will be dissapointed I didn't join, but we will see
On September 07 2012 02:27 VirgilSC2 wrote: Just for some standpoint as to how delusional Blackfoger has gotten, the list of players he mentioned to me he was looking at acquiring are:
On September 07 2012 04:37 ToXSiK wrote: This guy approached me last week to talk about a team arrangement for me. It all seemed to good to be true, he offered me a small salary ($50 a month if I were to stream a lot), gear, travel, etc.. And tbh I'm not very good and don't have very many results, just a GM on NA... I was about to sign with Blight until I read all of these posts about how he has screwed over multiple teams from different platforms and always comes back saying he will be legitimate this time.
I asked where his funds were coming from, he was very indirect and it eventually boiled down to his own pocket, something that sort of scared me, as he also told me he wasn't employed. If he is employed by another company, he did not make any mention of this in our skype conversation.
I don't know if he is to be trusted, from what I've read he doesn't seem to be very trustworthy from his past. The contract he sent me was very thorough and looked legitimate, but I turned down the offer after reading all of these posts, I didn't want to be a guinea pig for this dudes sc2 division.
I hope the best for Crane, he is a very talented player, and I hope BlackFoger pulls through! If so, I will be dissapointed I didn't join, but we will see
So this guy has been pretty active behind the scenes lately. It makes you wonder though, where is all this money for all these things coming from?
On September 07 2012 02:59 Sent. wrote: Can someone explain me how exactly is that guy making profits from scamming players (if he really does that)?
The contract says that he takes their tournament wins to 'manage' for the players. He promises paying for flights, accomodation etc. and never does that. There's a lot of reading in this thread with examples and cases you might wanna read on.
I didn't ask about what he isn't doing. I'm asking how is it profitable to scam average pro or semi-pro players. I read some posts in this thread and I understand the problem. I just wonder how doing something like this can pay off.
Well, I'm going to OJ Simpson the fuck out of this. If I were going to be an eSports scammer in the Blight mold, here's what I'd do.
I'd promise a team or player travel expenses in exchange for tagging. My goal here is to get them to pay most or all of their expenses themselves; if I need to make small payments to facilitate this, then I'd do that. But generally I'm going to be offering money in the high hundreds of dollars to the thousands of dollars, both in salary and travel coverage depending on what I want to get out of them. Then I'm going to claim difficulties procuring the money, getting the team or player to cover their own travel to the event. I need to have a good relationship with them at this point, so they still participate in the event with my tag. After the event is over and they start asking awkward questions like 'when are we getting our money' I basically bail on them. I turn around and approach sponsors with the team's results - 'Hey, you should become a sponsor of xXx Gaming Club! xXxGC has big plans! Our team placed in the top 8 at YYY LAN, ahead of major teams like ZZZ Gaming! Our player 'Player01' is working to start streaming with a webcam and commentary on this service. He's going to have an overlay which will advertise your product to everyone who watches, and he'll talk about your product in the community! A partnership with us will be awesome for your organization!' - essentially the way a legitimate team would. I'm going to take the money they give me personally and either sell any goods I get - peripherals or hardware or whatever - to increase my takehome or use them as inducements for the next team or player I approach. If sponsors start asking awkward questions I'm going to bounce around as much as I can, running as many teams and players as possible through the system. Hopefully, that'll keep the sponsors continuing to pay me as long as they don't really pay attention to what's going on. I'd need to use multiple communities and keep bouncing around between them so I don't get too infamous.
Anyway. I wouldn't be surprised at all if that's what blackfoger was doing. If I were going to try to make a living scamming pro gamers - and to my knowledge, at the height of blackfoger's involvement with Dota, CSS and TF2 he was living with his parents, so it ain't a great living - that's how I'd do it.
It's not impossible to fund a team yourself... I've funded LighT out of my own pocket for the past 9 months and I've given everyone on the team everything I promised.
As long as you can manage your funds properly, it's not outlandish to run a team from your own pocket.
On September 06 2012 19:46 FXOBoSs wrote: FXO already advised Crane on what he was getting into in a friendly manner.
At this point, it is entirely crane/any agent he may have's responsibility. Please do not assume that if I have not stopped this it is my fault. I cannot control the decisions of other people.
Thanks for understanding.
I don't think anyone blames you or thinks it's your fault. We're all, I think, glad that you offered the player your thoughts and advice.
On September 07 2012 02:59 Sent. wrote: Can someone explain me how exactly is that guy making profits from scamming players (if he really does that)?
The contract says that he takes their tournament wins to 'manage' for the players. He promises paying for flights, accomodation etc. and never does that. There's a lot of reading in this thread with examples and cases you might wanna read on.
I didn't ask about what he isn't doing. I'm asking how is it profitable to scam average pro or semi-pro players. I read some posts in this thread and I understand the problem. I just wonder how doing something like this can pay off.
Well, I'm going to OJ Simpson the fuck out of this. If I were going to be an eSports scammer in the Blight mold, here's what I'd do.
I'd promise a team or player travel expenses in exchange for tagging. My goal here is to get them to pay most or all of their expenses themselves; if I need to make small payments to facilitate this, then I'd do that. But generally I'm going to be offering money in the high hundreds of dollars to the thousands of dollars, both in salary and travel coverage depending on what I want to get out of them. Then I'm going to claim difficulties procuring the money, getting the team or player to cover their own travel to the event. I need to have a good relationship with them at this point, so they still participate in the event with my tag. After the event is over and they start asking awkward questions like 'when are we getting our money' I basically bail on them. I turn around and approach sponsors with the team's results - 'Hey, you should become a sponsor of xXx Gaming Club! xXxGC has big plans! Our team placed in the top 8 at YYY LAN, ahead of major teams like ZZZ Gaming! Our player 'Player01' is working to start streaming with a webcam and commentary on this service. He's going to have an overlay which will advertise your product to everyone who watches, and he'll talk about your product in the community! A partnership with us will be awesome for your organization!' - essentially the way a legitimate team would. I'm going to take the money they give me personally and either sell any goods I get - peripherals or hardware or whatever - to increase my takehome or use them as inducements for the next team or player I approach. If sponsors start asking awkward questions I'm going to bounce around as much as I can, running as many teams and players as possible through the system. Hopefully, that'll keep the sponsors continuing to pay me as long as they don't really pay attention to what's going on. I'd need to use multiple communities and keep bouncing around between them so I don't get too infamous.
Anyway. I wouldn't be surprised at all if that's what blackfoger was doing. If I were going to try to make a living scamming pro gamers - and to my knowledge, at the height of blackfoger's involvement with Dota, CSS and TF2 he was living with his parents, so it ain't a great living - that's how I'd do it.
No pro would pay out of their own pocket to go places, let alone a Korean like Crane. If anyone even agreed to do that they're completely moronic and just as bad as the guy scamming them.
While I think Crane shouldn't have signed with Blight, I also think people are way over exaggerating when they say "Crane is going to get fucked over." Worst case scenario, they don't send him to any events and he's in Korea doing the same stuff he normally would do. If they send him to an event, that's great. If they promise him a salary and don't pay, well it sucks but then he can just leave the team.
On September 07 2012 02:59 Sent. wrote: Can someone explain me how exactly is that guy making profits from scamming players (if he really does that)?
The contract says that he takes their tournament wins to 'manage' for the players. He promises paying for flights, accomodation etc. and never does that. There's a lot of reading in this thread with examples and cases you might wanna read on.
I didn't ask about what he isn't doing. I'm asking how is it profitable to scam average pro or semi-pro players. I read some posts in this thread and I understand the problem. I just wonder how doing something like this can pay off.
Well, I'm going to OJ Simpson the fuck out of this. If I were going to be an eSports scammer in the Blight mold, here's what I'd do.
I'd promise a team or player travel expenses in exchange for tagging. My goal here is to get them to pay most or all of their expenses themselves; if I need to make small payments to facilitate this, then I'd do that. But generally I'm going to be offering money in the high hundreds of dollars to the thousands of dollars, both in salary and travel coverage depending on what I want to get out of them. Then I'm going to claim difficulties procuring the money, getting the team or player to cover their own travel to the event. I need to have a good relationship with them at this point, so they still participate in the event with my tag. After the event is over and they start asking awkward questions like 'when are we getting our money' I basically bail on them. I turn around and approach sponsors with the team's results - 'Hey, you should become a sponsor of xXx Gaming Club! xXxGC has big plans! Our team placed in the top 8 at YYY LAN, ahead of major teams like ZZZ Gaming! Our player 'Player01' is working to start streaming with a webcam and commentary on this service. He's going to have an overlay which will advertise your product to everyone who watches, and he'll talk about your product in the community! A partnership with us will be awesome for your organization!' - essentially the way a legitimate team would. I'm going to take the money they give me personally and either sell any goods I get - peripherals or hardware or whatever - to increase my takehome or use them as inducements for the next team or player I approach. If sponsors start asking awkward questions I'm going to bounce around as much as I can, running as many teams and players as possible through the system. Hopefully, that'll keep the sponsors continuing to pay me as long as they don't really pay attention to what's going on. I'd need to use multiple communities and keep bouncing around between them so I don't get too infamous.
Anyway. I wouldn't be surprised at all if that's what blackfoger was doing. If I were going to try to make a living scamming pro gamers - and to my knowledge, at the height of blackfoger's involvement with Dota, CSS and TF2 he was living with his parents, so it ain't a great living - that's how I'd do it.
No pro would pay out of their own pocket to go places, let alone a Korean like Crane. If anyone even agreed to do that they're completely moronic and just as bad as the guy scamming them.
While I think Crane shouldn't have signed with Blight, I also think people are way over exaggerating when they say "Crane is going to get fucked over." Worst case scenario, they don't send him to any events and he's in Korea doing the same stuff he normally would do. If they send him to an event, that's great. If they promise him a salary and don't pay, well it sucks but then he can just leave the team.
The common thread with Blight's previous teams has been players spending their own money to attend events. fnatic/DDT Dota even paid out-of-pocket to break their contracts with fnatic in order to sign with Blight, in addition to paying their own travel to China for ADL.
On September 07 2012 04:54 zen22 wrote: If we all hate blight so much why dont we all just contact the blight sponsors and tell them they are just putting bad blood onto there name.
Blight has no sponsors, according to their website and blackfoger's statements in this thread.
On September 07 2012 04:48 Xeris wrote: It's not impossible to fund a team yourself... I've funded LighT out of my own pocket for the past 9 months and I've given everyone on the team everything I promised.
As long as you can manage your funds properly, it's not outlandish to run a team from your own pocket.
Hey Xeris, I don't know if this was directed at me, but I wanted to reply. If this guy had a legitimate history financially (Like you do with LighT-eSports), I would have zero problem accepting the fact that a single individual has money and is supporting his/her own personal team, sponsors or not.
But when you look at his history, the amount of scams he's been involved in, I wanted to start asking him some financial questions about how he is going to support the team. He just dodged all of my questions and finally gets to "Well, I fund the team myself and I'm not really employed" (His wording was something like this, I can pull the quote from skype if you guys would like)
I 100% agree someone with a job (Or just some money!) can fully support an esport team, but with BlackFoger, I wanted facts from him. I wanted to know What have you changed since x, y, and z scams that I should trust you? Every post I read about you consistent on you not coming through to your players financially, what has changed and why should I trust you now?.
When he couldn't muster up a feasable response to this, I had to decline his offer.
On September 07 2012 04:48 Xeris wrote: It's not impossible to fund a team yourself... I've funded LighT out of my own pocket for the past 9 months and I've given everyone on the team everything I promised.
As long as you can manage your funds properly, it's not outlandish to run a team from your own pocket.
Hey Xeris, I don't know if this was directed at me, but I wanted to reply. If this guy had a legitimate history financially (Like you do with LighT-eSports), I would have zero problem accepting the fact that a single individual has money and is supporting his/her own personal team, sponsors or not.
But when you look at his history, the amount of scams he's been involved in, I wanted to start asking him some financial questions about how he is going to support the team. He just dodged all of my questions and finally gets to "Well, I fund the team myself and I'm not really employed" (His wording was something like this, I can pull the quote from skype if you guys would like)
I 100% agree someone with a job (Or just some money!) can fully support an esport team, but with BlackFoger, I wanted facts from him. I wanted to know What have you changed since x, y, and z scams that I should trust you? Every post I read about you consistent on you not coming through to your players financially, what has changed and why should I trust you now?.
When he couldn't muster up a feasable response to this, I had to decline his offer.
Oh ya for sure... obviously my players trusted me enough going into this and thus far there have been no problems :D I also make all my money stripping at nights, but that's another story.
Regardless, I was kinda just making a general comment about it being possible to fund a team yourself. I'm not rich independently, nor do I make a ton of money, but I can manage this because I'm careful and don't waste money on dumb stuff :D!
I don't really know Blight and can't comment about its history at all, was just making general comments.
I will say that anyone paying stuff out of their pocket expecting to get reimbursed when they don't really know/trust the source is incredibly stupid.
On September 07 2012 02:59 Sent. wrote: Can someone explain me how exactly is that guy making profits from scamming players (if he really does that)?
The contract says that he takes their tournament wins to 'manage' for the players. He promises paying for flights, accomodation etc. and never does that. There's a lot of reading in this thread with examples and cases you might wanna read on.
I didn't ask about what he isn't doing. I'm asking how is it profitable to scam average pro or semi-pro players. I read some posts in this thread and I understand the problem. I just wonder how doing something like this can pay off.
Let's say you're the blackfogsomething guy. You take players tournament prize and never spend a dime on the them. Clearly profit. You take money/gear/whatever from sponsors and never give it to the players. Clearly profit.
On September 07 2012 05:08 Blackfoger wrote: I will post something on our website in a few hours addressing everyone's comments.
Good. Make sure it also addresses comments from your former players, people like Misery, who said:
The biggest mistake we've made regarding sponsors and organizations has been to commit to Blight gaming and Blackfogs false words and unprofessional behaviour. I will in this blog entry describe how blackfog have tried several times now, to make us play under his pathetic organization by permanent lies and by constantly avoiding any kind of questions from our team.
and DaZed:
This guy is a pathological liar.
and anGer:
Blackfoger originally promised us a expense of 1500 the dayafter we made it to Lanchamp LA. He dragged it on for about 2 weeks and lied constantly about things. He finally sent warmachine a e-check that was never meant to go through over paypal and screwed us over. Luckily Mika came through a week before the event and purchased our flights....and when he did Blackfogger told everyone it was he who purchased them. Don't trust the guy he's really weird
and Griff:
Blackfoger from Blight Gaming informed us that he would pay us $500 before the lan to help cover travel expenses. In return, we would tag up as Blight.Zomblerz. He agreed to do this on vent as well as on steam messenger several times, and I personally witnessed Justin "heatwave" McKay give Blackfoger his paypal e-mail several times. The day before the LAN Blackfoger said he was going to pay us the money and just straight up didn't. This caused us to take a huge hit out of our prize money as well as paying some out of our own pockets to cover travel expenses. JBL from former Demonic gaming sent us money to help cover our expenses and his organization wasn't even functioning at the time. So a dead organization can send us a nice sum of money to help us get to L.A. yet Blackfoger can't deliver on a $500 promise that was made weeks maybe even months before the LAN? You ask me, and I think Blackfoger has been exposed as phony.
On September 07 2012 03:23 EagleShade wrote: Ok.. even if there is a terrible history perhaps Blight and/or Blackfoger changed....
Oh.. wait. If they really wanted to change, or even had a BRAIN in their SKULL, they would have done what any smart organization does when they screw up. CHANGE THEIR NAME.
Really Blackfoger? You screw teams and players (as this evidence is pretty condemning and from multiple sources) and don't even change your handle, the teams name, or the business' name?
LOL That alone tells you what kind of "organization" (if there is one) this is. You even suck at scamming people. Changing your name/contact info is like rule #1 in scamming!
On September 07 2012 05:08 Blackfoger wrote: I will post something on our website in a few hours addressing everyone's comments.
With that much negative feedback surrounding you, I find it hard to imagine that you will actually answer "everyone's comments" and not dig your own grave while doing it.
Oh well, not my problem. Should be a good read either way.
I cant comment on any of the CS, SC2 or Dota goings on with blight, but in TF2, blackfoger has really and truly screwed over teams several times over the last few years.
Though I cannot confirm current standing, blackfoger, as of earlier this year, owed one TF2 player over $1000 USD for promised flights and hotels. Said player payed that out of pocket so that his team might be able to get to LAN and compete.
May be the same incident, but I also remember that a team was trying to check into their hotel, but when the hotel ran the credit card information (blackfoger's, or more likely as we found out, his mother's), it wouldn't go through so the team had to pay for the hotel out of pocket. That may or may not have been payed back, a lot of the articles and forum proceedings that occurred during that time have since been completely lost, but there are some really shady business practices going on with blackfoger. His past performance in the TF2 community has been spotty to say the least.
I really do hope that blackfoger can come through here, esports needs more sponsors. As far as I know, they have a TF2 team right now (blight.Xensity) that they are providing league fees, servers etc for, without incident. It is possible that they have cleaned up their act, as I never got the vibe from blackfoger that he was a scammer, just someone who was way in over their head on something that takes a lot more planning, organisation, work and money than they thought.
Skepticism here is well deserved, and everyone involved needs to be aware of the shady practices in the past. Blight is a bad name in the TF2 community, and it has a long way to go before it can even start building up a positive reputation.
really informative article on ESEA site about the TF2 team, some of the CS things and an ex staff member of blight (TheWhiz) talking about what went on and such.
Seriously, this guy is bad mojo, I dont really know who Crane is, but when I saw Blight on the sidebar on this site, I almost cried. I hope things turn out better this time for blackfoger and everyone involved.
On September 06 2012 19:46 FXOBoSs wrote: FXO already advised Crane on what he was getting into in a friendly manner.
At this point, it is entirely crane/any agent he may have's responsibility. Please do not assume that if I have not stopped this it is my fault. I cannot control the decisions of other people.
Thanks for understanding.
I can't imagine anyone blaming FXO for this tbh. If crank has an agent he should leave him too though, not beying able to filter out scum like Blight for your players, is an incapable agent.
On September 06 2012 19:46 FXOBoSs wrote: FXO already advised Crane on what he was getting into in a friendly manner.
At this point, it is entirely crane/any agent he may have's responsibility. Please do not assume that if I have not stopped this it is my fault. I cannot control the decisions of other people.
Thanks for understanding.
I can't imagine anyone blaming FXO for this tbh. If crank has an agent he should leave him too though, not beying able to filter out scum like Blight for your players, is an incapable agent.
i think you didn't read the thread properly - he didn't sign any of those players except for crane - he tried to .. and was abv. not succesful..
i guess the post you quoted just says that FXO helped to get in contact with crane to clear the situation up a bit (in the proper language for him and not just by random people from the interwebz)
On September 07 2012 04:48 Xeris wrote: It's not impossible to fund a team yourself... I've funded LighT out of my own pocket for the past 9 months and I've given everyone on the team everything I promised.
As long as you can manage your funds properly, it's not outlandish to run a team from your own pocket.
Hey Xeris, I don't know if this was directed at me, but I wanted to reply. If this guy had a legitimate history financially (Like you do with LighT-eSports), I would have zero problem accepting the fact that a single individual has money and is supporting his/her own personal team, sponsors or not.
But when you look at his history, the amount of scams he's been involved in, I wanted to start asking him some financial questions about how he is going to support the team. He just dodged all of my questions and finally gets to "Well, I fund the team myself and I'm not really employed" (His wording was something like this, I can pull the quote from skype if you guys would like)
I 100% agree someone with a job (Or just some money!) can fully support an esport team, but with BlackFoger, I wanted facts from him. I wanted to know What have you changed since x, y, and z scams that I should trust you? Every post I read about you consistent on you not coming through to your players financially, what has changed and why should I trust you now?.
When he couldn't muster up a feasable response to this, I had to decline his offer.
Oh ya for sure... obviously my players trusted me enough going into this and thus far there have been no problems :D I also make all my money stripping at nights, but that's another story.
Regardless, I was kinda just making a general comment about it being possible to fund a team yourself. I'm not rich independently, nor do I make a ton of money, but I can manage this because I'm careful and don't waste money on dumb stuff :D!
I don't really know Blight and can't comment about its history at all, was just making general comments.
I will say that anyone paying stuff out of their pocket expecting to get reimbursed when they don't really know/trust the source is incredibly stupid.
Yea i remember a while back his pitch was that you pay out of pocket and then he'll reimburse you which from other people i knew who did that never got reimbursed by him. Dunno if its still that way or not but it takes a lot for a person to shake off their own history
can't we just ban blackforger? even if he has made some miraculous change, this guy's history is enough to make anything he says mired in a pile of shit.
I had to deal with scams involving gaming "organizations" when I was playing call of duty, it's a deceitful business, and it screwed me out of a fair amount of money back in the day. The worst part is these "organizations" damage the growth of esports.
On September 07 2012 06:14 SilSol wrote: So where is this announcement? I hope he really does give a good one cause he needs it after all he has done to the players and the communitys.
He did say couple days. Maybe he's currently "in-gauging" in writing that announcement, or with coming up excuses for every person he's screwed over?
Crane should just cut contact with this dude and move on if he just found about about this dude. Who cares if he signed a contract? It's not like this dude is going to pony up thousands of dollars to fight a legal war in Korea when he's known for not even being able to pay any of the former players he "signed" or even be able to pay $20 dollar CEVO fee's for his teams.
if it came down to it and shit got real (which there's a 99.9999999999% chance it wont seeing as how the kid is a joke) im sure Crane's 'contract' can be voided almost instantly due to it being written by a fucking teenager instead of any sort of qualified lawyer or even someone knowledgeable in law/contract drafting.
To whoever got in contact with Crane: Reassure him the person he signed with is a fraud and that nothing will occur by cutting communication with this guy. He has every right to do so and should not feel guilty, ashamed or scared of reprocussions. From the sound of it he seems more afraid than anything to back out of a contract he signed since he believes hes actually dealing with a legitimate company/team.
On September 07 2012 06:10 renaissanceMAN wrote: after reading the last twelve pages...
can't we just ban blackforger? even if he has made some miraculous change, this guy's history is enough to make anything he says mired in a pile of shit.
I had to deal with scams involving gaming "organizations" when I was playing call of duty, it's a deceitful business, and it screwed me out of a fair amount of money back in the day. The worst part is these "organizations" damage the growth of esports.
if he was banned he could just sign people and we wouldnt know at least this way we can tell them after the fact o:
On September 07 2012 06:14 SilSol wrote: So where is this announcement? I hope he really does give a good one cause he needs it after all he has done to the players and the communitys.
He did say couple days. Maybe he's currently "in-gauging" in writing that announcement, or with coming up excuses for every person he's screwed over?
I have been sick with a fever, been writing it right now going through each persons post on TL to answer them all.
I want someone to skype call him and record everything and see what kind of a person he really is. See what he has to say about everything and now trying to destroy the careers of starcraft 2 players.
On September 07 2012 03:23 EagleShade wrote: Ok.. even if there is a terrible history perhaps Blight and/or Blackfoger changed....
Oh.. wait. If they really wanted to change, or even had a BRAIN in their SKULL, they would have done what any smart organization does when they screw up. CHANGE THEIR NAME.
Really Blackfoger? You screw teams and players (as this evidence is pretty condemning and from multiple sources) and don't even change your handle, the teams name, or the business' name?
LOL That alone tells you what kind of "organization" (if there is one) this is. You even suck at scamming people. Changing your name/contact info is like rule #1 in scamming!
I was thinking about this too lol.
Maybe he just like the humor in that a team with the name Blight destroys everything it touches.
On September 07 2012 06:14 SilSol wrote: So where is this announcement? I hope he really does give a good one cause he needs it after all he has done to the players and the communitys.
He did say couple days. Maybe he's currently "in-gauging" in writing that announcement, or with coming up excuses for every person he's screwed over?
I have been sick with a fever, been writing it right now going through each persons post on TL to answer them all.
Addressing EVERYONE's comment sounds really stupid, why don't you just make an overall statement regarding the accusations that have been on you recently ?
On September 06 2012 20:22 lastshadow wrote: Crane is not of legal age until January 1st 2013 to sign contracts without the consent of his parents. He also can not agree to "fully understanding the terms and conditions" which should be labled (in S.Korea jurisdictional law) if the contract is in English without a Korean translation also being on the contract.
On September 07 2012 02:59 Sent. wrote: Can someone explain me how exactly is that guy making profits from scamming players (if he really does that)?
The contract says that he takes their tournament wins to 'manage' for the players. He promises paying for flights, accomodation etc. and never does that. There's a lot of reading in this thread with examples and cases you might wanna read on.
I didn't ask about what he isn't doing. I'm asking how is it profitable to scam average pro or semi-pro players. I read some posts in this thread and I understand the problem. I just wonder how doing something like this can pay off.
Well, I'm going to OJ Simpson the fuck out of this. If I were going to be an eSports scammer in the Blight mold, here's what I'd do.
I'd promise a team or player travel expenses in exchange for tagging. My goal here is to get them to pay most or all of their expenses themselves; if I need to make small payments to facilitate this, then I'd do that. But generally I'm going to be offering money in the high hundreds of dollars to the thousands of dollars, both in salary and travel coverage depending on what I want to get out of them. Then I'm going to claim difficulties procuring the money, getting the team or player to cover their own travel to the event. I need to have a good relationship with them at this point, so they still participate in the event with my tag. After the event is over and they start asking awkward questions like 'when are we getting our money' I basically bail on them. I turn around and approach sponsors with the team's results - 'Hey, you should become a sponsor of xXx Gaming Club! xXxGC has big plans! Our team placed in the top 8 at YYY LAN, ahead of major teams like ZZZ Gaming! Our player 'Player01' is working to start streaming with a webcam and commentary on this service. He's going to have an overlay which will advertise your product to everyone who watches, and he'll talk about your product in the community! A partnership with us will be awesome for your organization!' - essentially the way a legitimate team would. I'm going to take the money they give me personally and either sell any goods I get - peripherals or hardware or whatever - to increase my takehome or use them as inducements for the next team or player I approach. If sponsors start asking awkward questions I'm going to bounce around as much as I can, running as many teams and players as possible through the system. Hopefully, that'll keep the sponsors continuing to pay me as long as they don't really pay attention to what's going on. I'd need to use multiple communities and keep bouncing around between them so I don't get too infamous.
Anyway. I wouldn't be surprised at all if that's what blackfoger was doing. If I were going to try to make a living scamming pro gamers - and to my knowledge, at the height of blackfoger's involvement with Dota, CSS and TF2 he was living with his parents, so it ain't a great living - that's how I'd do it.
No pro would pay out of their own pocket to go places, let alone a Korean like Crane. If anyone even agreed to do that they're completely moronic and just as bad as the guy scamming them.
While I think Crane shouldn't have signed with Blight, I also think people are way over exaggerating when they say "Crane is going to get fucked over." Worst case scenario, they don't send him to any events and he's in Korea doing the same stuff he normally would do. If they send him to an event, that's great. If they promise him a salary and don't pay, well it sucks but then he can just leave the team.
A few ESEA LANs ago, Blackfoger sent 3 teams to ESEA LAN (some of which had to pay their own way with promise of reimbursement) and ended up leaving them high and dry with all of the hotel bills for them to pay. His credit card was bounced and he refused to pay forthwith. The hotel threatened to call the cops on all 3 teams if they did not come up with the funds somehow. Fortunately, Craig "Torbull" Levine was there (owner of ESEA) and temporarily covered the players for the hotel rooms and required they pay ESEA back once arriving back home. And before anyone questions this story, I witnessed this first hand. I was also at the LAN managing the two CheckSix teams we had at the LAN as well.
So there are worse things that can happen, and if there is anyone that will find a way to enable those circumstances for their players it is Blackfoger.
I skimmed that post, Blackfoger. And while everything was poorly written (seriously, if you have staff like you say, hire a fucking PR guy or something. Maybe just someone who understands syntax and can spell proficiently. That might help), the thing that really made me laugh was this:
I do not remember at all nor do we have our records about the Dota squad, consisting of Demon, Fear, Merlini, Puppey and Kuroky. I do think we mismanaged that entire situation and didn’t deliver on salaries when they were do that’s all I can recall. We never asked them to front anything.
You don't remember anything, and yet you think you mismanaged it. Fascinating. Are you also suggesting that all of them are liars and that they're out to get you for no reason? Seems unlikely to me bud.
Honestly, that response is a whole lot of nothing. Nobody said you had anything to do with AZK, it was simply suggesting that the way in which you operate might be similar. You make a lot of claims that simply have no structure or support, and you never give us a reason to believe in what you say.
So really, I'ma stick with thinking that you're trying to scam a few more players. Which is pretty shitty of you.
On September 07 2012 07:17 Zennith wrote: I skimmed that post, Blackfoger. And while everything was poorly written (seriously, if you have staff like you say, hire a fucking PR guy or something. Maybe just someone who understands syntax and can spell proficiently. That might help), the thing that really made me laugh was this:
I do not remember at all nor do we have our records about the Dota squad, consisting of Demon, Fear, Merlini, Puppey and Kuroky. I do think we mismanaged that entire situation and didn’t deliver on salaries when they were do that’s all I can recall. We never asked them to front anything.
You don't remember anything, and yet you think you mismanaged it. Fascinating. Are you also suggesting that all of them are liars and that they're out to get you for no reason? Seems unlikely to me bud.
Honestly, that response is a whole lot of nothing. Nobody said you had anything to do with AZK, it was simply suggesting that the way in which you operate might be similar. You make a lot of claims that simply have no structure or support, and you never give us a reason to believe in what you say.
So really, I'ma stick with thinking that you're trying to scam a few more players. Which is pretty shitty of you.
First 3 pages someone mentioned AZK I was replying to that. As far as the DOTA squad I am just writing what I remember was nearly 4-5 years ago and we don't have records that far back. As far as claims many of it can be backed up by the paypal logs as well as the players themselves can tell you, such as zomblerz.
Would you address why you've done what you've done? What did you gain from not fulfilling promises and bringing a bad name and reputation onto yourself? What was the point?
Notice the questioning was past tense. I just want to know what was going through your mind at the time.
On September 07 2012 07:17 Zennith wrote: Honestly, that response is a whole lot of nothing. Nobody said you had anything to do with AZK, it was simply suggesting that the way in which you operate might be similar. You make a lot of claims that simply have no structure or support, and you never give us a reason to believe in what you say.
So really, I'ma stick with thinking that you're trying to scam a few more players. Which is pretty shitty of you.
The AZK came up when someone was comparing his past actions to the guy who "sponsored" AZK. Imagine coming back to check on your announcement 30 minutes after posting and you find this many accusations. He could just have misread this one post and still tried to answer it. AZK came up a few more times and noone clarified so it came up in his reply as well. Wouldn't give him hate for that.
Still, you should really let someone read your announcements and posts before publishing them, less grammar mistakes give more credibility.
He came up with a few plausible answers as well in my opinion, one example being the team of Mika Gaming. He promised them 1500 and didnt instantly pay them, or didnt pay them before the event. He payed with delay, but upon hearing that mika payed the amount he promised, he cancelled the payment.
I dont own a team so i'm only talking out of my ass here but that sounds like an understandable chain of actions.
I Just checked the secretary of state website and there are no LLCs with blight in the name. One corporation but that was inactive as of 2000 and registered to a guy in yakima.
There are two LLC's with registered agents of "James Larsen", one is 'Aggregate Construction LLC' and the other is 'Section 8 Customs, LLC' registered in Auburn.
Hah, what a joke. Can't believe this guy brought this shitstorm on his own head. Why would anyone stick with the same name/ID with this kind of history?
I love how teens on the internet pretending to be legit organizations always threaten legal action even though it never ever happens. That shit works everytime and never backfires, right?
Would you address why you've done what you've done? What did you gain from not fulfilling promises and bringing a bad name and reputation onto yourself? What was the point?
Notice the questioning was past tense. I just want to know what was going through your mind at the time.
We have promised to teams not knowing how to manage a budget or even run an organization/team. It was just immature and cruel to some teams/players. We gained honestly nothing we never recieved any of the teams winnings or hold it from them. As asked earlier why not change our name(aka Blight). It would not solve the issues it would only be running away from the mistakes we made. We need to own up to what we have done and deliver to teams/players. As well as pay back what we owe, it seems pointless to change names our reputation would still be the same.
On September 07 2012 07:32 zefreak wrote: Hah, what a joke. Can't believe this guy brought this shitstorm on his own head. Why would anyone stick with the same name/ID with this kind of history?
Well, if you change your name etc. u would go unnoticed for some time and could pull the same scam over and over. I guess he would do so if he didn't want to seriously fix his past mistakes. Or do you really believe someone is that stupid and scams a 100th time under the same alias?
Well from reading that statement I now know he lives in the same state as me, so if he screws over crane I think me and some friends will have to find him and teach him to respect the SC2 community the hard way.
On September 07 2012 07:35 hunts wrote: Well from reading that statement I now know he lives in the same state as me, so if he screws over crane I think me and some friends will have to find him and teach him to respect the SC2 community the hard way.
You mean go to his house and tell him to stop being mean? Your comments screams dork hahahah.
On September 07 2012 07:30 Brasi wrote: I Just checked the secretary of state website and there are no LLCs with blight in the name. One corporation but that was inactive as of 2000 and registered to a guy in yakima.
There are two LLC's with registered agents of "James Larsen", one is 'Aggregate Construction LLC' and the other is 'Section 8 Customs, LLC' registered in Auburn.
which one is yours?
n/m I just saw on page 5 the youtube video where you call yourself James Larsen of Blight, LLC.
"Cannot recall bad stuff, clearly remember stuff i didn't mess" I never heard about blight gaming before but this article smells bad at every corner.
Did you represent Blight Gaming within the TF2 community as a registered LLC based in Washington, DC? We were never a registered LLC in DC, in Washington state were we live I have a registered LLC or two yes.
This sounds so fishy, is it one ? or two? or more ? You can't even say that clearly ?
Anyone who gets into business with this guy should expect nothing but headaches and broken promises. That apology is crammed with terms that sound like he them picked up from a cursory google search for "business plans". I really hope people reach out to these players and help them understand what a shady situation they're in.
This is one of his registered LLC's :"Hilda James LLC" -taken from above nerdbuster article http://www.sos.wa.gov/corps/search_detail.aspx?ubi=602661412 which are put under his parents' names, according to the article. And it expires at the end of October this year....
If you google the address real quick, it's pretty obvious that it's someones residence as well...
If you really want to live up to past mistakes and didn't change your name as a result, it just means worse if this guy fucks up again since it seems like he has more mess ups than real successes cause I've hardly read anything good about him. It's "don't fuck up" or the shitstorm is only going to get worse.
Also his blog post on his website doesn't have line breaks between the question and the answer and its pretty annoying to read...
THIS PART of his apology letter:
" We have been paying off past debts and will be continuing to do so, as some people have stated we shouldn't be sponsoring any teams until our past debts are cleared and paid up. While I agree with that statement, we can't pay our past debts if we aren't currently in business or sponsoring"
So you need to be in business to rack up more debt to pay off debt... This makes no sense; you're just digging this hole deeper...
Edited to add a couple more thoughts/clarification.
On September 07 2012 07:43 BroOd wrote: Anyone who gets into business with this guy should expect nothing but headaches and broken promises. That apology is crammed with terms that sound like he them picked up from a cursory google search for "business plans". I really hope people reach out to these players and help them understand what a shady situation they're in.
I did not google anything in that apology as you can see it was written awhile back..
If you google the address real quick, it's pretty obvious that it's someones residence as well...
If you really want to live up to past mistakes and didn't change your name as a result, it just means worse if this guy fucks up again since it seems like he has more mess ups than real successes cause I've hardly read anything good about him. It's "don't fuck up" or the shitstorm is only going to get worse.
We are trying to live up to past mistakes we have made as someone said we could of easily changed names and kept doing our "scamming" but rather repair what has been done. I would easily say we have more successes then screw ups, 70/30.
If you google the address real quick, it's pretty obvious that it's someones residence as well...
If you really want to live up to past mistakes and didn't change your name as a result, it just means worse if this guy fucks up again since it seems like he has more mess ups than real successes cause I've hardly read anything good about him. It's "don't fuck up" or the shitstorm is only going to get worse.
who are Rich and Sue Larsen? his parents? He's not even an owner of his company?
So this statement of yours what should we think about that? Like i want someone that has been working with you or several teams/organizations that has been working with Blight coming to this thread and tell us what's going on if that statement is 100% true.
I don't really know what to believe. I can only hear ur side of the story not the other. And what's your future plan for Blight in the StarCraft 2 community?
Def not as good of a read as I thought it would be. Filled with typos too. So professional! Didn't buy any of it and I doubt anyone will. Just give up your aspirations to ruin esports and move on.
We are trying to live up to past mistakes we have made as someone said we could of easily changed names and kept doing our "scamming" but rather repair what has been done. I would easily say we have more successes then screw ups, 70/30.
You would say you are, but you're obviously looking through this optimistically and through clouded eyes because it's your team/company/business/whatever you want to call it. Everyone here seems to consider it worse than that...
Regarding a few things, quickly, since I've not time to do a full and complete reply.
First, I apologize for mistakenly asking about Washington, DC instead of Washington State. I appreciate the correction.
Regarding your version of events with DaZed: caseyfoster agrees with DaZed's version of events, and states that you didn't pay the promised salary. Is his issue ego as well, or did you misrepresent the situation in your reply?
Regarding your interactions with fnatic/DDT: Were you or were you not able to access the team's Ventrilo channel? What was the nature of your financial offer to the team?
On September 07 2012 07:43 BroOd wrote: Anyone who gets into business with this guy should expect nothing but headaches and broken promises. That apology is crammed with terms that sound like he them picked up from a cursory google search for "business plans". I really hope people reach out to these players and help them understand what a shady situation they're in.
I did not google anything in that apology as you can see it was written awhile back..
I don't know how the second part of that statement follows the first, but let's not dwell on that. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt in this situation if you do one simple thing: explain, without being vague, your 5-year plan and how you intend to maximize the "ROI" you mentioned. I don't want to hear any bullshit about proprietary information or trade secrets or really anything other than "this is Blight gamings viable business model going forward: ___________."
If you google the address real quick, it's pretty obvious that it's someones residence as well...
If you really want to live up to past mistakes and didn't change your name as a result, it just means worse if this guy fucks up again since it seems like he has more mess ups than real successes cause I've hardly read anything good about him. It's "don't fuck up" or the shitstorm is only going to get worse.
who are Rich and Sue Larsen? his parents? He's not even an owner of his company?
A running "gag" was that he was going around sponsoring teams with his parents Credit Card. Not sure if there is any truth to it or w/e.
On September 07 2012 07:43 BroOd wrote: Anyone who gets into business with this guy should expect nothing but headaches and broken promises. That apology is crammed with terms that sound like he them picked up from a cursory google search for "business plans". I really hope people reach out to these players and help them understand what a shady situation they're in.
I did not google anything in that apology as you can see it was written awhile back..
I don't know how the second part of that statement follows the first, but let's not dwell on that. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt in this situation if you do one simple thing: explain, without being vague, your 5-year plan and how you intend to maximize the "ROI" you mentioned. I don't want to hear any bullshit about proprietary information or trade secrets or really anything other than "this is Blight gamings viable business model going forward: ___________."
We have set up a marketing plan, 5 year business plan, set up meetings with Angel Investors and venture capitalists, devised a way to get a real ROI from gaming teams besides hoping to win 1st place prize and take 20% of winnings
Just quoted that from his letter and I'm curious as well as to what this really is.
On September 07 2012 07:43 BroOd wrote: Anyone who gets into business with this guy should expect nothing but headaches and broken promises. That apology is crammed with terms that sound like he them picked up from a cursory google search for "business plans". I really hope people reach out to these players and help them understand what a shady situation they're in.
I did not google anything in that apology as you can see it was written awhile back..
I don't know how the second part of that statement follows the first, but let's not dwell on that. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt in this situation if you do one simple thing: explain, without being vague, your 5-year plan and how you intend to maximize the "ROI" you mentioned. I don't want to hear any bullshit about proprietary information or trade secrets or really anything other than "this is Blight gamings viable business model going forward: ___________."
This would be a great start to clearing your name.
This apology that you wrote is quite frankly garbage. Its nothing but fluff, you don't address most of the issues being brought up in this thread, it's littered with spelling errors (where is your staff?), and is really just poorly worded.
You have no proof that you are going to actually support your players or teams moving forward, so why should anyone believe anything BUT the past?
Really, from what I've been reading about your past contracts with your players, I'm surprised no legal action has been taken against you, and I really hope crane sees this for what it is and leaves the team. You need to stop this before you get yourself in serious trouble.
On September 07 2012 07:30 Brasi wrote: I Just checked the secretary of state website and there are no LLCs with blight in the name. One corporation but that was inactive as of 2000 and registered to a guy in yakima.
There are two LLC's with registered agents of "James Larsen", one is 'Aggregate Construction LLC' and the other is 'Section 8 Customs, LLC' registered in Auburn.
which one is yours?
Last time people pressured him on this and he clarified he ended up leaking/releaseing/revealing/having people find out his home address along with his parents names. Funnily enough they were the ones who signed the legal documents at the time, since he was underage then (He's definitely paying for this himself guys!!!). Was pretty silly seeing him scam and write people off and then personal information getting found.
While I don't encourage people to do anythingor use violence against anyone I definitely wouldn't mind pressuring him if he put someone like Crank in an unfortunate position.
That said, this whole thing is silly. About as silly as making the thread in the first place. If he was doing this correctly he wouldn't even be making stuff public, which you'd assume would mean he's professing his innocence; sadly, some people just don't use their brain very well. The language, tone, spelling, and grammar used in his "professional post" on his website makes everything pretty blatant though. He doesn't care. We should notify the correct people of his actions, get them to distance themselves if they're involved, and just ignore this poor soul who claims to be a part of human society.
Last Time I am going to post as things are starting to go round and round. Yes sorry my english isn't the best doesn't mean that it isn't honest.
"You have no proof that you are going to actually support your players or teams moving forward, so why should anyone believe anything BUT the past?" For awhile we are actually supporting our players to our teams and been slowly paying debts...
If you have any questions you can always add me on skype for more clarification. Our next player as well as a new sponsor will be announced shortly. I do ask you not email our sponsors as it doesn't help the situation. Please just let us deliver and rebuild our reputation through actions.
Just deliver - and the community might one day forgive you ... you should know by now that you have done too many faults to do one more and still be forgiven ...
This is one of his registered LLC's :"Hilda James LLC" -taken from above nerdbuster article http://www.sos.wa.gov/corps/search_detail.aspx?ubi=602661412 which are put under his parents' names, according to the article. And it expires at the end of October this year....
If you google the address real quick, it's pretty obvious that it's someones residence as well...
If you really want to live up to past mistakes and didn't change your name as a result, it just means worse if this guy fucks up again since it seems like he has more mess ups than real successes cause I've hardly read anything good about him. It's "don't fuck up" or the shitstorm is only going to get worse.
Also his blog post on his website doesn't have line breaks between the question and the answer and its pretty annoying to read...
" We have been paying off past debts and will be continuing to do so, as some people have stated we shouldn't be sponsoring any teams until our past debts are cleared and paid up. While I agree with that statement, we can't pay our past debts if we aren't currently in business or sponsoring"
So you need to be in business to rack up more debt to pay off debt... This makes no sense; you're just digging this hole deeper...
Edited to add a couple more thoughts/clarification.
Nerdbuster isn't the most reliable source for information or basing your accusations on.
I don't know who this guy is or what he done but reading a lot of these posts makes me cringe. There are a lot of pathetic people who have no input other then insults and accusations.
On September 07 2012 08:19 Blackfoger wrote: Last Time I am going to post as things are starting to go round and round. Yes sorry my english isn't the best doesn't mean that it isn't honest.
"You have no proof that you are going to actually support your players or teams moving forward, so why should anyone believe anything BUT the past?" For awhile we are actually supporting our players to our teams and been slowly paying debts...
If you have any questions you can always add me on skype for more clarification. Our next player as well as a new sponsor will be announced shortly. I do ask you not email our sponsors as it doesn't help the situation. Please just let us deliver and rebuild our reputation through actions.
I think it's incredibly telling that when you're pressed for details and specifics you decide it's time to dip out of the conversation under the guise of things going "round and round". It's a real shame that you treat this dialogue with such little respect even though it's the first step towards you actually gaining a modicum of our respect. Every single time you get backed into a corner you tell people to add you on skype and that you'll explain to them in person, which flies directly in the face of the transparency you claim to be striving for. You've done it in many of the chat logs linked here, and it just leads me to believe that you're comporting yourself in the same old way you always have, which is with little regard to planning, logistics, business sense, common courtesy or professionalism. You've got a long way to go before anyone here will support Blight gaming, and pretending like we're the problem isn't going to get you there.
On September 07 2012 08:19 Blackfoger wrote: Last Time I am going to post as things are starting to go round and round. Yes sorry my english isn't the best doesn't mean that it isn't honest.
"You have no proof that you are going to actually support your players or teams moving forward, so why should anyone believe anything BUT the past?" For awhile we are actually supporting our players to our teams and been slowly paying debts...
If you have any questions you can always add me on skype for more clarification. Our next player as well as a new sponsor will be announced shortly. I do ask you not email our sponsors as it doesn't help the situation. Please just let us deliver and rebuild our reputation through actions.
I think it's incredibly telling that when you're pressed for details and specifics you decide it's time to dip out of the conversation under the guise of things going "round and round". It's a real shame that you treat this dialogue with such little respect even though it's the first step towards you actually gaining a modicum of our respect. Every single time you get backed into a corner you tell people to add you on skype and that you'll explain to them in person, which flies directly in the face of the transparency you claim to be striving for. You've done it in many of the chat logs linked here, and it just leads me to believe that you're comporting yourself in the same old way you always have, which is with little regard to planning, logistics, business sense, common courtesy or professionalism. You've got a long way to go before anyone here will support Blight gaming, and pretending like we're the problem isn't going to get you there.
I said that because it literally has gone round and round. I have answered these questions before and just starting to become tiresome when I have loads of other work for my players not to mention I am still sick. I am not trying to run or dip out of the conversation just when you get asked same thing fifty times the fifty first time gets tiresome. Many people have been supporting us in other communities, people that actually know us and our history besides some of the random posts and hate we are recieving.
This is one of his registered LLC's :"Hilda James LLC" -taken from above nerdbuster article http://www.sos.wa.gov/corps/search_detail.aspx?ubi=602661412 which are put under his parents' names, according to the article. And it expires at the end of October this year....
If you google the address real quick, it's pretty obvious that it's someones residence as well...
If you really want to live up to past mistakes and didn't change your name as a result, it just means worse if this guy fucks up again since it seems like he has more mess ups than real successes cause I've hardly read anything good about him. It's "don't fuck up" or the shitstorm is only going to get worse.
Also his blog post on his website doesn't have line breaks between the question and the answer and its pretty annoying to read...
THIS PART of his apology letter:
" We have been paying off past debts and will be continuing to do so, as some people have stated we shouldn't be sponsoring any teams until our past debts are cleared and paid up. While I agree with that statement, we can't pay our past debts if we aren't currently in business or sponsoring"
So you need to be in business to rack up more debt to pay off debt... This makes no sense; you're just digging this hole deeper...
Edited to add a couple more thoughts/clarification.
Nerdbuster isn't the most reliable source for information or basing your accusations on.
I don't know who this guy is or what he done but reading a lot of these posts makes me cringe. There are a lot of pathetic people who have no input other then insults and accusations.
I apologize if I quoted any inaccurate info since that was the only one available that had any connection to what he has said, such as having two LLC in Washington state, none of which are under his name, apparently...
Some accusations did come from me which may have been rude and presumptuous of me since I have no direct experience with him.
He states he has a marketing plan and business model to pay off all the debt he's accumulated until now, and honestly, I'm just curious to what that is just as some other people here in this thread.
Here is one observation though; He operated his business/team and accumulated debt until now, and he plans to continue business in order to pay off the debt while at the same time, he accumulates more debt by operating this business unless his new business plan works; it also sounds dependent on the fact that his meetings with angel investors and venture capitalists are successful...
On September 07 2012 08:01 SpiZe wrote: A running "gag" was that he was going around sponsoring teams with his parents Credit Card. Not sure if there is any truth to it or w/e.
One of the TF2 players for one of the many Blight teams saw some kind of Paypal receipt that had "Susan Larsen" listed as the cardholder.
On September 07 2012 08:19 Blackfoger wrote: Last Time I am going to post as things are starting to go round and round. Yes sorry my english isn't the best doesn't mean that it isn't honest.
"You have no proof that you are going to actually support your players or teams moving forward, so why should anyone believe anything BUT the past?" For awhile we are actually supporting our players to our teams and been slowly paying debts...
If you have any questions you can always add me on skype for more clarification. Our next player as well as a new sponsor will be announced shortly. I do ask you not email our sponsors as it doesn't help the situation. Please just let us deliver and rebuild our reputation through actions.
I think it's incredibly telling that when you're pressed for details and specifics you decide it's time to dip out of the conversation under the guise of things going "round and round". It's a real shame that you treat this dialogue with such little respect even though it's the first step towards you actually gaining a modicum of our respect. Every single time you get backed into a corner you tell people to add you on skype and that you'll explain to them in person, which flies directly in the face of the transparency you claim to be striving for. You've done it in many of the chat logs linked here, and it just leads me to believe that you're comporting yourself in the same old way you always have, which is with little regard to planning, logistics, business sense, common courtesy or professionalism. You've got a long way to go before anyone here will support Blight gaming, and pretending like we're the problem isn't going to get you there.
I said that because it literally has gone round and round. I have answered these questions before and just starting to become tiresome when I have loads of other work for my players not to mention I am still sick. I am not trying to run or dip out of the conversation just when you get asked same thing fifty times the fifty first time gets tiresome. Many people have been supporting us in other communities, people that actually know us and our history besides some of the random posts and hate we are recieving.
Oh, my mistake. Can you link me to where you posted the specifics I was talking about? I must have missed them.
On September 07 2012 08:01 SpiZe wrote: A running "gag" was that he was going around sponsoring teams with his parents Credit Card. Not sure if there is any truth to it or w/e.
One of the TF2 players for one of the many Blight teams saw some kind of Paypal receipt that had "Susan Larsen" listed as the cardholder.
See right there misquoting what he said it was in a Audio interview and he said he saw it on an online email transcript. Then again he had not posted any of the proof thus it's a running "gag"
If we shut down operations we can't pay off debt because we have source of revenue. Think of it this way, we have sponsors that pay say 1500 a month and we only use 1000 of that for players. We are not accumulating more debt we use the extra 500 a month to pay old expenses. Our current plan is slowly working well, we will be announcing another sponsor shortly that will help our teams. With this new company can work to progress quicker but if people email them it causes us to go backwords.
On September 07 2012 08:01 SpiZe wrote: A running "gag" was that he was going around sponsoring teams with his parents Credit Card. Not sure if there is any truth to it or w/e.
One of the TF2 players for one of the many Blight teams saw some kind of Paypal receipt that had "Susan Larsen" listed as the cardholder.
See right there misquoting what he said it was in a Audio interview and he said he saw it on an online email transcript. Then again he had not posted any of the proof thus it's a running "gag"
If we shut down operations we can't pay off debt because we have source of revenue. Think of it this way, we have sponsors that pay say 1500 a month and we only use 1000 of that for players. We are not accumulating more debt we use the extra 500 a month to pay old expenses. Our current plan is slowly working well, we will be announcing another sponsor shortly that will help our teams. With this new company can work to progress quicker but if people email them it causes us to go backwords.
What the fuck? You use sponsor money to pay off your debt? LOL Jesus christ. Just get the fuck out.
p.s: closing down "blight" doesn't mean you don't have an ethical obligation to pay people back. Otherwise, you know, you can sort of go to jail. Especially when you even noted yourself people /do/ have the choice to sue you in some cases.
On September 07 2012 08:19 Blackfoger wrote: Last Time I am going to post as things are starting to go round and round. Yes sorry my english isn't the best doesn't mean that it isn't honest.
"You have no proof that you are going to actually support your players or teams moving forward, so why should anyone believe anything BUT the past?" For awhile we are actually supporting our players to our teams and been slowly paying debts...
If you have any questions you can always add me on skype for more clarification. Our next player as well as a new sponsor will be announced shortly. I do ask you not email our sponsors as it doesn't help the situation. Please just let us deliver and rebuild our reputation through actions.
I think it's incredibly telling that when you're pressed for details and specifics you decide it's time to dip out of the conversation under the guise of things going "round and round". It's a real shame that you treat this dialogue with such little respect even though it's the first step towards you actually gaining a modicum of our respect. Every single time you get backed into a corner you tell people to add you on skype and that you'll explain to them in person, which flies directly in the face of the transparency you claim to be striving for. You've done it in many of the chat logs linked here, and it just leads me to believe that you're comporting yourself in the same old way you always have, which is with little regard to planning, logistics, business sense, common courtesy or professionalism. You've got a long way to go before anyone here will support Blight gaming, and pretending like we're the problem isn't going to get you there.
I said that because it literally has gone round and round. I have answered these questions before and just starting to become tiresome when I have loads of other work for my players not to mention I am still sick. I am not trying to run or dip out of the conversation just when you get asked same thing fifty times the fifty first time gets tiresome. Many people have been supporting us in other communities, people that actually know us and our history besides some of the random posts and hate we are recieving.
Why not make a dedicated thread to answer all the fifty questions you've been answering..? It also redirects the debate about your person to a new location instead of this thread. This new thread would include a personal statement, FAQ, (fifty asked questions), remorse, a plan to redeem yourself and some dates to verify the plan is working. This to validate your actions by the community to have a possibility of regaining some respect.
Yes the community will probably want follow your actions, based on passed results.. They probably will do so either way, better to let them see you're trying to right the wrongs than a continuation of your previous endeavours.
On September 07 2012 08:01 SpiZe wrote: A running "gag" was that he was going around sponsoring teams with his parents Credit Card. Not sure if there is any truth to it or w/e.
One of the TF2 players for one of the many Blight teams saw some kind of Paypal receipt that had "Susan Larsen" listed as the cardholder.
See right there misquoting what he said it was in a Audio interview and he said he saw it on an online email transcript. Then again he had not posted any of the proof thus it's a running "gag"
If we shut down operations we can't pay off debt because we have source of revenue. Think of it this way, we have sponsors that pay say 1500 a month and we only use 1000 of that for players. We are not accumulating more debt we use the extra 500 a month to pay old expenses. Our current plan is slowly working well, we will be announcing another sponsor shortly that will help our teams. With this new company can work to progress quicker but if people email them it causes us to go backwords.
Sponsorship money isn't a personal piggy bank, and I think most sponsors would consider that a gross misappropriation of funds. You need to pay your debts with profit, not start siphoning off of money allocated for your team and players.
Erm, this actually might be more relevant to the OP than all the other posts but... @Blackfoger: Could you fix your nickname in your quote? Unless you're really actually called Blackoger in which I apologize.
Things like this are exactly why forums are great. Let this be a warning to all and remember to use your resources in business dealings. At the very least a brief search as a background check can save your butt.
Good on everyone posting here.... Keep the foxes out of our henhouse! As for Blackfoger, sorry to say that I think at this point you're trying to put a Band-aid on a gunshot wound. The damage you've done is widely remembered and now documented on this site. The shadows of your past will preclude any future for you here, your reputation hopefully preceding you and safeguarding our talent. Move along, sir.
On September 07 2012 08:01 SpiZe wrote: A running "gag" was that he was going around sponsoring teams with his parents Credit Card. Not sure if there is any truth to it or w/e.
One of the TF2 players for one of the many Blight teams saw some kind of Paypal receipt that had "Susan Larsen" listed as the cardholder.
See right there misquoting what he said it was in a Audio interview and he said he saw it on an online email transcript. Then again he had not posted any of the proof thus it's a running "gag"
If we shut down operations we can't pay off debt because we have source of revenue. Think of it this way, we have sponsors that pay say 1500 a month and we only use 1000 of that for players. We are not accumulating more debt we use the extra 500 a month to pay old expenses. Our current plan is slowly working well, we will be announcing another sponsor shortly that will help our teams. With this new company can work to progress quicker but if people email them it causes us to go backwords.
Wait a second are you paying old expenses with ur sponsored money? I don't think that's a wise choice at all. I think the sponsors will get quite frustrated if you uses their money to pay off ur own mistakes? that's just LOL
On September 07 2012 08:01 SpiZe wrote: A running "gag" was that he was going around sponsoring teams with his parents Credit Card. Not sure if there is any truth to it or w/e.
One of the TF2 players for one of the many Blight teams saw some kind of Paypal receipt that had "Susan Larsen" listed as the cardholder.
See right there misquoting what he said it was in a Audio interview and he said he saw it on an online email transcript. Then again he had not posted any of the proof thus it's a running "gag"
If we shut down operations we can't pay off debt because we have source of revenue. Think of it this way, we have sponsors that pay say 1500 a month and we only use 1000 of that for players. We are not accumulating more debt we use the extra 500 a month to pay old expenses. Our current plan is slowly working well, we will be announcing another sponsor shortly that will help our teams. With this new company can work to progress quicker but if people email them it causes us to go backwords.
Wait a second are you paying old expenses with ur sponsored money? I don't think that's a wise choice at all. I think the sponsors will get quite frustrated if you uses their money to pay off ur own mistakes? that's just LOL
Well said, Silsol. You shouldn't use your sponsor money to pay off your failures. Clear your debts, then try again.
Instead of saying "you fought the law and the law won" We could say something like .... you fought the community and the community won... Seriously you are digging your own hole now.
Using sponsorship money to pay off ur mistakes is NOT ok.
On September 07 2012 08:01 SpiZe wrote: A running "gag" was that he was going around sponsoring teams with his parents Credit Card. Not sure if there is any truth to it or w/e.
One of the TF2 players for one of the many Blight teams saw some kind of Paypal receipt that had "Susan Larsen" listed as the cardholder.
See right there misquoting what he said it was in a Audio interview and he said he saw it on an online email transcript. Then again he had not posted any of the proof thus it's a running "gag"
If we shut down operations we can't pay off debt because we have source of revenue. Think of it this way, we have sponsors that pay say 1500 a month and we only use 1000 of that for players. We are not accumulating more debt we use the extra 500 a month to pay old expenses. Our current plan is slowly working well, we will be announcing another sponsor shortly that will help our teams. With this new company can work to progress quicker but if people email them it causes us to go backwords.
Whoa, whoa whoa!! This is NOT okay by any means. The debts you've attained over the years should be dealt with by YOU, and YOU only. Take some damned responsibility for your past actions. In a way you're actually scamming the sponsors to pay for your own fuck ups. I'm sure they're unaware of this as well.
It's kinda annoying reading all of his replies, as they're all half-assed and clearly not reread for simple grammar and spelling errors. I wonder how old this guy is?
On September 07 2012 09:35 cmgillett wrote: they don't have sponsors, everything is fake. He lives in his mother's basement and has fabricated this entire thing.
No none of that is true in the least bit can you provide evidence.
We are not currently paying off debts with sponsors I meant it as an example. If we shut down operations there would be no advertising income from adsense or donations which we do use to pay people back including the money from my pocket. Shutting down would hurt our current teams and sponsors such as when we did in the past.
I meant it as please refrain from emailing our new sponsors being released as they are the one's supporting crane and our current team what purpose does it serve sabotaging the current deal the players are getting if we are going to be delivering to them.
On September 07 2012 09:35 cmgillett wrote: they don't have sponsors, everything is fake. He lives in his mother's basement and has fabricated this entire thing.
No none of that is true in the least bit can you provide evidence.
We are not currently paying off debts with sponsors I meant it as an example. If we shut down operations there would be no advertising income from adsense or donations which we do use to pay people back including the money from my pocket. Shutting down would hurt our current teams and sponsors such as when we did in the past.
I meant it as please refrain from emailing our new sponsors being released as they are the one's supporting crane and our current team what purpose does it serve sabotaging the current deal the players are getting if we are going to be delivering to them.
We're not trying to sabotage the players. We're trying to get rid of you.
On September 07 2012 09:43 Galetmonster wrote: Blackfoger please die
I think this post is not ok, just because he makes mistakes and lies about giving people their money and trying to get out from a situation he started himself by using his sponsorship money.
On September 07 2012 09:35 cmgillett wrote: they don't have sponsors, everything is fake. He lives in his mother's basement and has fabricated this entire thing.
No none of that is true in the least bit can you provide evidence.
We are not currently paying off debts with sponsors I meant it as an example. If we shut down operations there would be no advertising income from adsense or donations which we do use to pay people back including the money from my pocket. Shutting down would hurt our current teams and sponsors such as when we did in the past.
I meant it as please refrain from emailing our new sponsors being released as they are the one's supporting crane and our current team what purpose does it serve sabotaging the current deal the players are getting if we are going to be delivering to them.
Probably because based on numerous reports you do not actually deliver what you or your 'organization' promises, and if you do it appears to be much less then what was originally agreed upon.
Just taking a quick peek at your website, your banner shows Dolby, Owned.tv, and Rj's Creative Studios as sponsors. If you look on your right side bar, only owned and dolby are listed. In addition, if we go to your sponsor page, you have WSAD keyboards listed, which is listed nowhere in the banner or on the right hand side sponsor area. Now, I understand sponsors pay for different things, however with this much inconsistency, and the fact that generally a dedicated sponsor page lists all of the organization's sponsors, I'm leaning toward your only current sponsorship being WSAD keyboards, keeping the banner because it looks cool and you don't have a graphics guy to change (or know how to change it yourself), along with keeping the right side sponsors of owned and dolby because they are big names.
I hope this thread continues as it has until some solid evidence can be proved or we can see some verifiable evidence from one of your players stating the agreement they have with you is currently being met in full
Edit: Post below mentioned WSAD is not longer a sponsor, so I would like to know who the current team sponsors actually are. That's fine if you have 'announcements' coming on new sponsors, whatever. Who is sponsoring you right now, and why is your website so out of date? You don't even have any of your SC2 players listed on your team section ffs
On 9/6/12, at 7:26 PM, James "BGblackfoger" larsen wrote: > Is using sponsor money to pay past debts wrong??
Great start to earning the respect of this community. Taking sponsor money they give you for exposure and using it to pay back personal debts that you owe due to your lack of morals in the eSports community.
He hasn't changed in 8 years, doubt he is going to start now.
On September 07 2012 09:35 cmgillett wrote: they don't have sponsors, everything is fake. He lives in his mother's basement and has fabricated this entire thing.
No none of that is true in the least bit can you provide evidence.
We are not currently paying off debts with sponsors I meant it as an example. If we shut down operations there would be no advertising income from adsense or donations which we do use to pay people back including the money from my pocket. Shutting down would hurt our current teams and sponsors such as when we did in the past.
I meant it as please refrain from emailing our new sponsors being released as they are the one's supporting crane and our current team what purpose does it serve sabotaging the current deal the players are getting if we are going to be delivering to them.
Probably because based on numerous reports you do not actually deliver what you or your 'organization' promises, and if you do it appears to be much less then what was originally agreed upon.
Just taking a quick peek at your website, your banner shows Dolby, Owned.tv, and Rj's Creative Studios as sponsors. If you look on your right side bar, only owned and dolby are listed. In addition, if we go to your sponsor page, you have WSAD keyboards listed, which is listed nowhere in the banner or on the right hand side sponsor area. Now, I understand sponsors pay for different things, however with this much inconsistency, and the fact that generally a dedicated sponsor page lists all of the organization's sponsors, I'm leaning toward your only current sponsorship being WSAD keyboards, keeping the banner because it looks cool and you don't have a graphics guy to change (or know how to change it yourself), along with keeping the right side sponsors of owned and dolby because they are big names.
I hope this thread continues as it has until some solid evidence can be proved or we can see some verifiable evidence from one of your players stating the agreement they have with you is currently being met in full
He mentioned earlier that he lost the WASD sponsorship because of the community emailing the sponsors with negativity. So, now I ask, which ones are real?
Blackfoger, I suggest you describe what is going on in a very clear manner instead of dancing around the issue. To me it looks like you are avoiding all questions that actually are of any real interest.
Frankly, from reading the thread and your answers in it, your behavior is on par with a child trying to cover up something naughty he's done from his parents. Your grammar and way of defending yourself isn't helping your case either.
On September 07 2012 08:01 SpiZe wrote: A running "gag" was that he was going around sponsoring teams with his parents Credit Card. Not sure if there is any truth to it or w/e.
One of the TF2 players for one of the many Blight teams saw some kind of Paypal receipt that had "Susan Larsen" listed as the cardholder.
See right there misquoting what he said it was in a Audio interview and he said he saw it on an online email transcript. Then again he had not posted any of the proof thus it's a running "gag"
If we shut down operations we can't pay off debt because we have source of revenue. Think of it this way, we have sponsors that pay say 1500 a month and we only use 1000 of that for players. We are not accumulating more debt we use the extra 500 a month to pay old expenses. Our current plan is slowly working well, we will be announcing another sponsor shortly that will help our teams. With this new company can work to progress quicker but if people email them it causes us to go backwords.
"i dont think this hole is deep enough. Lets dig deeper"
On September 07 2012 08:01 SpiZe wrote: A running "gag" was that he was going around sponsoring teams with his parents Credit Card. Not sure if there is any truth to it or w/e.
One of the TF2 players for one of the many Blight teams saw some kind of Paypal receipt that had "Susan Larsen" listed as the cardholder.
See right there misquoting what he said it was in a Audio interview and he said he saw it on an online email transcript. Then again he had not posted any of the proof thus it's a running "gag"
If we shut down operations we can't pay off debt because we have source of revenue. Think of it this way, we have sponsors that pay say 1500 a month and we only use 1000 of that for players. We are not accumulating more debt we use the extra 500 a month to pay old expenses. Our current plan is slowly working well, we will be announcing another sponsor shortly that will help our teams. With this new company can work to progress quicker but if people email them it causes us to go backwords.
Whoa, whoa whoa!! This is NOT okay by any means. The debts you've attained over the years should be dealt with by YOU, and YOU only. Take some damned responsibility for your past actions. In a way you're actually scamming the sponsors to pay for your own fuck ups. I'm sure they're unaware of this as well.
Nah man its not his fault hes just u know taking care of business by using someone else's money intended to sponsor a current team to pay off older debits. No worries man its perfectly okay. Its like credit cards, get a couple use one to pay off the other and it all works out until it catches up but no worries if we just keep paying off the debt with other income thats not intended to pay off the debt then in the future more money will land in his lap to pay for everything.
On September 07 2012 09:35 cmgillett wrote: they don't have sponsors, everything is fake. He lives in his mother's basement and has fabricated this entire thing.
No none of that is true in the least bit can you provide evidence.
We are not currently paying off debts with sponsors I meant it as an example. If we shut down operations there would be no advertising income from adsense or donations which we do use to pay people back including the money from my pocket. Shutting down would hurt our current teams and sponsors such as when we did in the past.
I meant it as please refrain from emailing our new sponsors being released as they are the one's supporting crane and our current team what purpose does it serve sabotaging the current deal the players are getting if we are going to be delivering to them.
Probably because based on numerous reports you do not actually deliver what you or your 'organization' promises, and if you do it appears to be much less then what was originally agreed upon.
Just taking a quick peek at your website, your banner shows Dolby, Owned.tv, and Rj's Creative Studios as sponsors. If you look on your right side bar, only owned and dolby are listed. In addition, if we go to your sponsor page, you have WSAD keyboards listed, which is listed nowhere in the banner or on the right hand side sponsor area. Now, I understand sponsors pay for different things, however with this much inconsistency, and the fact that generally a dedicated sponsor page lists all of the organization's sponsors, I'm leaning toward your only current sponsorship being WSAD keyboards, keeping the banner because it looks cool and you don't have a graphics guy to change (or know how to change it yourself), along with keeping the right side sponsors of owned and dolby because they are big names.
I hope this thread continues as it has until some solid evidence can be proved or we can see some verifiable evidence from one of your players stating the agreement they have with you is currently being met in full
He mentioned earlier that he lost the WASD sponsorship because of the community emailing the sponsors with negativity. So, now I ask, which ones are real?
Yes we did lose them and honestly a few of our players were very mad at the few that decided to email WASD. We had a great deal going with them and was very unjust.
On September 07 2012 09:35 cmgillett wrote: they don't have sponsors, everything is fake. He lives in his mother's basement and has fabricated this entire thing.
No none of that is true in the least bit can you provide evidence.
We are not currently paying off debts with sponsors I meant it as an example. If we shut down operations there would be no advertising income from adsense or donations which we do use to pay people back including the money from my pocket. Shutting down would hurt our current teams and sponsors such as when we did in the past.
I meant it as please refrain from emailing our new sponsors being released as they are the one's supporting crane and our current team what purpose does it serve sabotaging the current deal the players are getting if we are going to be delivering to them.
Probably because based on numerous reports you do not actually deliver what you or your 'organization' promises, and if you do it appears to be much less then what was originally agreed upon.
Just taking a quick peek at your website, your banner shows Dolby, Owned.tv, and Rj's Creative Studios as sponsors. If you look on your right side bar, only owned and dolby are listed. In addition, if we go to your sponsor page, you have WSAD keyboards listed, which is listed nowhere in the banner or on the right hand side sponsor area. Now, I understand sponsors pay for different things, however with this much inconsistency, and the fact that generally a dedicated sponsor page lists all of the organization's sponsors, I'm leaning toward your only current sponsorship being WSAD keyboards, keeping the banner because it looks cool and you don't have a graphics guy to change (or know how to change it yourself), along with keeping the right side sponsors of owned and dolby because they are big names.
I hope this thread continues as it has until some solid evidence can be proved or we can see some verifiable evidence from one of your players stating the agreement they have with you is currently being met in full
He mentioned earlier that he lost the WASD sponsorship because of the community emailing the sponsors with negativity. So, now I ask, which ones are real?
Yes we did lose them and honestly a few of our players were very mad at the few that decided to email WASD. We had a great deal going with them and was very unjust.
So I ask again..which of the sponsors on your webpage are REAL?
On September 07 2012 09:35 cmgillett wrote: they don't have sponsors, everything is fake. He lives in his mother's basement and has fabricated this entire thing.
No none of that is true in the least bit can you provide evidence.
We are not currently paying off debts with sponsors I meant it as an example. If we shut down operations there would be no advertising income from adsense or donations which we do use to pay people back including the money from my pocket. Shutting down would hurt our current teams and sponsors such as when we did in the past.
I meant it as please refrain from emailing our new sponsors being released as they are the one's supporting crane and our current team what purpose does it serve sabotaging the current deal the players are getting if we are going to be delivering to them.
Probably because based on numerous reports you do not actually deliver what you or your 'organization' promises, and if you do it appears to be much less then what was originally agreed upon.
Just taking a quick peek at your website, your banner shows Dolby, Owned.tv, and Rj's Creative Studios as sponsors. If you look on your right side bar, only owned and dolby are listed. In addition, if we go to your sponsor page, you have WSAD keyboards listed, which is listed nowhere in the banner or on the right hand side sponsor area. Now, I understand sponsors pay for different things, however with this much inconsistency, and the fact that generally a dedicated sponsor page lists all of the organization's sponsors, I'm leaning toward your only current sponsorship being WSAD keyboards, keeping the banner because it looks cool and you don't have a graphics guy to change (or know how to change it yourself), along with keeping the right side sponsors of owned and dolby because they are big names.
I hope this thread continues as it has until some solid evidence can be proved or we can see some verifiable evidence from one of your players stating the agreement they have with you is currently being met in full
He mentioned earlier that he lost the WASD sponsorship because of the community emailing the sponsors with negativity. So, now I ask, which ones are real?
Yes we did lose them and honestly a few of our players were very mad at the few that decided to email WASD. We had a great deal going with them and was very unjust.
So I ask again..which of the sponsors on your webpage are REAL?
We are working with Own3d.tv and Dolby. We are announcing a energy supplement company within two weeks here.
On September 07 2012 09:35 cmgillett wrote: they don't have sponsors, everything is fake. He lives in his mother's basement and has fabricated this entire thing.
No none of that is true in the least bit can you provide evidence.
We are not currently paying off debts with sponsors I meant it as an example. If we shut down operations there would be no advertising income from adsense or donations which we do use to pay people back including the money from my pocket. Shutting down would hurt our current teams and sponsors such as when we did in the past.
I meant it as please refrain from emailing our new sponsors being released as they are the one's supporting crane and our current team what purpose does it serve sabotaging the current deal the players are getting if we are going to be delivering to them.
Probably because based on numerous reports you do not actually deliver what you or your 'organization' promises, and if you do it appears to be much less then what was originally agreed upon.
Just taking a quick peek at your website, your banner shows Dolby, Owned.tv, and Rj's Creative Studios as sponsors. If you look on your right side bar, only owned and dolby are listed. In addition, if we go to your sponsor page, you have WSAD keyboards listed, which is listed nowhere in the banner or on the right hand side sponsor area. Now, I understand sponsors pay for different things, however with this much inconsistency, and the fact that generally a dedicated sponsor page lists all of the organization's sponsors, I'm leaning toward your only current sponsorship being WSAD keyboards, keeping the banner because it looks cool and you don't have a graphics guy to change (or know how to change it yourself), along with keeping the right side sponsors of owned and dolby because they are big names.
I hope this thread continues as it has until some solid evidence can be proved or we can see some verifiable evidence from one of your players stating the agreement they have with you is currently being met in full
He mentioned earlier that he lost the WASD sponsorship because of the community emailing the sponsors with negativity. So, now I ask, which ones are real?
Yes we did lose them and honestly a few of our players were very mad at the few that decided to email WASD. We had a great deal going with them and was very unjust.
So I ask again..which of the sponsors on your webpage are REAL?
We are working with Own3d.tv and Dolby. We are announcing a energy supplement company within two weeks here.
No you arent working with Dolby and you won't be announcing a sponsorship in 2 weeks. You said that exact same thing years ago. It was always "we will be announcing new sponsors in 2 weeks". You can't get big sponsors with a terrible reputation in blight and lack of results with your current roster. No company sponsors a team based on lies and old results from former teams.
On September 07 2012 09:35 cmgillett wrote: they don't have sponsors, everything is fake. He lives in his mother's basement and has fabricated this entire thing.
No none of that is true in the least bit can you provide evidence.
We are not currently paying off debts with sponsors I meant it as an example. If we shut down operations there would be no advertising income from adsense or donations which we do use to pay people back including the money from my pocket. Shutting down would hurt our current teams and sponsors such as when we did in the past.
I meant it as please refrain from emailing our new sponsors being released as they are the one's supporting crane and our current team what purpose does it serve sabotaging the current deal the players are getting if we are going to be delivering to them.
Probably because based on numerous reports you do not actually deliver what you or your 'organization' promises, and if you do it appears to be much less then what was originally agreed upon.
Just taking a quick peek at your website, your banner shows Dolby, Owned.tv, and Rj's Creative Studios as sponsors. If you look on your right side bar, only owned and dolby are listed. In addition, if we go to your sponsor page, you have WSAD keyboards listed, which is listed nowhere in the banner or on the right hand side sponsor area. Now, I understand sponsors pay for different things, however with this much inconsistency, and the fact that generally a dedicated sponsor page lists all of the organization's sponsors, I'm leaning toward your only current sponsorship being WSAD keyboards, keeping the banner because it looks cool and you don't have a graphics guy to change (or know how to change it yourself), along with keeping the right side sponsors of owned and dolby because they are big names.
I hope this thread continues as it has until some solid evidence can be proved or we can see some verifiable evidence from one of your players stating the agreement they have with you is currently being met in full
He mentioned earlier that he lost the WASD sponsorship because of the community emailing the sponsors with negativity. So, now I ask, which ones are real?
Yes we did lose them and honestly a few of our players were very mad at the few that decided to email WASD. We had a great deal going with them and was very unjust.
I found that last part pretty funny considering your past dealings with the players you have screwed over.
On September 07 2012 09:35 cmgillett wrote: they don't have sponsors, everything is fake. He lives in his mother's basement and has fabricated this entire thing.
No none of that is true in the least bit can you provide evidence.
We are not currently paying off debts with sponsors I meant it as an example. If we shut down operations there would be no advertising income from adsense or donations which we do use to pay people back including the money from my pocket. Shutting down would hurt our current teams and sponsors such as when we did in the past.
I meant it as please refrain from emailing our new sponsors being released as they are the one's supporting crane and our current team what purpose does it serve sabotaging the current deal the players are getting if we are going to be delivering to them.
Probably because based on numerous reports you do not actually deliver what you or your 'organization' promises, and if you do it appears to be much less then what was originally agreed upon.
Just taking a quick peek at your website, your banner shows Dolby, Owned.tv, and Rj's Creative Studios as sponsors. If you look on your right side bar, only owned and dolby are listed. In addition, if we go to your sponsor page, you have WSAD keyboards listed, which is listed nowhere in the banner or on the right hand side sponsor area. Now, I understand sponsors pay for different things, however with this much inconsistency, and the fact that generally a dedicated sponsor page lists all of the organization's sponsors, I'm leaning toward your only current sponsorship being WSAD keyboards, keeping the banner because it looks cool and you don't have a graphics guy to change (or know how to change it yourself), along with keeping the right side sponsors of owned and dolby because they are big names.
I hope this thread continues as it has until some solid evidence can be proved or we can see some verifiable evidence from one of your players stating the agreement they have with you is currently being met in full
He mentioned earlier that he lost the WASD sponsorship because of the community emailing the sponsors with negativity. So, now I ask, which ones are real?
Yes we did lose them and honestly a few of our players were very mad at the few that decided to email WASD. We had a great deal going with them and was very unjust.
So I ask again..which of the sponsors on your webpage are REAL?
We are working with Own3d.tv and Dolby. We are announcing a energy supplement company within two weeks here.
Who are you kidding, your own3d sponsorship came with v8 eSports and hinged on that LoL team. You screwed over that organization you tried to merge with last year, too. own3d may have given you partner status to receive some ad revenue, but no one streams enough for you to receive any money. You may not even receive that since the LoL team left due to your lack of morality.
I have no insight as to the Dolby sponsorship, but I can't see that being anything substantial as well. Even if it is, all they would have to do is read this thread along with all of the other articles to change their mind about their investment with someone who has such little business ethics.
PS: Looking for the r/leagueoflegends article on reddit which explains what happened with v8 eSports and their LoL team. Will post when I find it.
EDIT: To anyone wanting FURTHER proof of Blight being a blight, here is another article done by ESEA News describing an incident that left a fellow manager (TheWhiz) $1,500 USD in the hole bailing out Blackfoger's bad judgements. To this day, not one cent has been repaid (been a little over 2 years).
“I can’t wait to see what crane can do in big tournaments, I can easily see him tear through an open bracket. Crane will be a great asset to our roster and has been providing insight to our other players in practices. He will be attending a few international events in the next few months. I am hoping that he will be our team ace in league’s coming up. I am glad he is giving the faith in us to push him to his limits. -James “blackoger” Larsen Owner
You decided to quote yourself in an article that you wrote yourself. A bold move. Also nice job spelling your own handle incorrectly. Very professional.
“I can’t wait to see what crane can do in big tournaments, I can easily see him tear through an open bracket. Crane will be a great asset to our roster and has been providing insight to our other players in practices. He will be attending a few international events in the next few months. I am hoping that he will be our team ace in league’s coming up. I am glad he is giving the faith in us to push him to his limits. -James “blackoger” Larsen Owner
You decided to quote yourself in an article that you wrote yourself. A bold move. Also nice job spelling your own handle incorrectly. Very professional.
That quote is from blackoger not blackfoger so....:p
“I can’t wait to see what crane can do in big tournaments, I can easily see him tear through an open bracket. Crane will be a great asset to our roster and has been providing insight to our other players in practices. He will be attending a few international events in the next few months. I am hoping that he will be our team ace in league’s coming up. I am glad he is giving the faith in us to push him to his limits. -James “blackoger” Larsen Owner
You decided to quote yourself in an article that you wrote yourself. A bold move. Also nice job spelling your own handle incorrectly. Very professional.
rofl, gotten so badly.
On September 07 2012 10:35 .kv wrote:That quote is from blackoger not blackfoger so....:p
On September 07 2012 09:35 cmgillett wrote: they don't have sponsors, everything is fake. He lives in his mother's basement and has fabricated this entire thing.
No none of that is true in the least bit can you provide evidence.
We are not currently paying off debts with sponsors I meant it as an example. If we shut down operations there would be no advertising income from adsense or donations which we do use to pay people back including the money from my pocket. Shutting down would hurt our current teams and sponsors such as when we did in the past.
I meant it as please refrain from emailing our new sponsors being released as they are the one's supporting crane and our current team what purpose does it serve sabotaging the current deal the players are getting if we are going to be delivering to them.
Probably because based on numerous reports you do not actually deliver what you or your 'organization' promises, and if you do it appears to be much less then what was originally agreed upon.
Just taking a quick peek at your website, your banner shows Dolby, Owned.tv, and Rj's Creative Studios as sponsors. If you look on your right side bar, only owned and dolby are listed. In addition, if we go to your sponsor page, you have WSAD keyboards listed, which is listed nowhere in the banner or on the right hand side sponsor area. Now, I understand sponsors pay for different things, however with this much inconsistency, and the fact that generally a dedicated sponsor page lists all of the organization's sponsors, I'm leaning toward your only current sponsorship being WSAD keyboards, keeping the banner because it looks cool and you don't have a graphics guy to change (or know how to change it yourself), along with keeping the right side sponsors of owned and dolby because they are big names.
I hope this thread continues as it has until some solid evidence can be proved or we can see some verifiable evidence from one of your players stating the agreement they have with you is currently being met in full
He mentioned earlier that he lost the WASD sponsorship because of the community emailing the sponsors with negativity. So, now I ask, which ones are real?
Yes we did lose them and honestly a few of our players were very mad at the few that decided to email WASD. We had a great deal going with them and was very unjust.
So I ask again..which of the sponsors on your webpage are REAL?
We are working with Own3d.tv and Dolby. We are announcing a energy supplement company within two weeks here.
I'm honestly shocked this guy is still going on. Literally everyone knows the entire organization is horseshit and no one that knows anything about them (Sorry for Crane) will deal with them. Gus should work for these guys.
Blackfoger - at this point you are going to have a hard time trying to get people to believe you, even if you slap an apology on. At this point there are far too many incidents involving you, and too many people claiming to be mislead, lied to and scammed. It's common knowledge you've been extremely shady, regardless if it was 100% your fault or not, you were involved and everything points back to you and your actions. Here are some questions that will get you started into showing some real transparency:
1. Who is Blight Gaming
You seem to be only person operating Blight Gaming - your name is on everything, yet you keep referring to 'we'. You want to show transparency? Let us know all the non-players are working for the team - names/tags/positions. Who is in charge of what?
Also include names for the 'restructure' you refer to in your apology: "We have added more Employee's ranging from EU managing director, Social media Marketer, Organizational Development Consultant, Talent Scouter, Content managers".
2. Where are your funds coming from
After spending nearly 70k out of pocket - where exactly did your money come from in the past, and where is it coming from now? Don't give a broad reponse!
3. Who is currently sponsoring Blight Gaming and to what extent
Name your sponsors and the depth of their commital to the team. Yes, we can understand some information can't be revealed regarding sponsor deals, but give us a good idea of what is happening here.
4. What is the entire extent of your player roster
Name all the players on the Blight roster & which game they are involved in. No walk-ins - actually playing under the Blight tag. Are these players getting paid?
5. How can you guarantee sincerity in the future?
Contracts are good and all, but we all know how flimsy gaming contracts can be. What are you going to do to guarantee teams & players that you will follow through with your promises in future. Will you pay upfront?
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If you can answer these questions with some truth instead of dodging, shifting blame, shrouding your answers, been vague - you might actually gain some ground with people.
On September 07 2012 11:16 essencesc2 wrote: I tweeted crane... but i dont think he goes on twitter very often... tomorrow ill message his skype acc....
I don't think contacting his skype (unless you actually know him) is necessary. I'm pretty sure at least a few people already told him that the contract he signed is with some kid living in his moms basement and not an actual team and that the contract is in no way binding.
Even if I didn't think blackfoger was being deceitful and untrustworthy, and instead thought he was being unjustly shunned, I probably wouldn't mind the abuse he's getting. His desperate clutching at straws is immensely entertaining. Keep at it, tiger.
On September 07 2012 12:40 Archas wrote: Even if I didn't think blackfoger was being deceitful and untrustworthy, and instead thought he was being unjustly shunned, I probably wouldn't mind the abuse he's getting. His desperate clutching at straws is immensely entertaining. Keep at it, tiger.
yeah seriously, we need that guy back to do some more "explanations"
I will preface this post by saying I am new to the e-sports scene, and although the OP seems to have attracted a ton of hate and little support, evidence posted seems to indicate his guilt. That being stated:
This guy is like Kenneth Lay and the other goons from Enron: no one knows what he does or who he is. He gets his money from anonymous sources and his company generates revenue from a black box: as long as the money comes in, everyone's happy and no one questions it. The problem is, the money hasn't come in, seemingly on multiple occasions, and this guy's time is up. It's simply a gigantic Ponzi scheme. Except unlike, Lay, Madoff, and all of the others, he's not in prison after getting caught once. Actually, he's done it several times and is still on the loose.
In summary, no one knows who this clown is or where he makes his money. Anyone who does business with him is a fool, and should be properly warned before doing so. Crane should have no problem getting out of his "contract," as this knucklehead has no financial resources to recoup his imaginary investment.
I'll be honest, I don't see much issue with using sponsorship income to pay down liabilities, new or old. Unless the prior entity files for bankruptcy, he must use retained earnings to pay them down, just like any other business. retained earnings generated by net profits that are generated by sponsorship revenue.
It should make no difference to the sponsor how the money is used, since (I assume) they pay that money for exposure and plugs that the team provides. Having just watched Djokovic beat Del Potro, I guess I would compare it to Chase (the US Open sponsor) dictating to the apt that their payment goes to one thing and not another. No... Chase pays for that sign on the wall, which they got. US Open can use that money on staff, promos, utilities, paying down liabilities, etc.
I'm not sure why everyone here seems to have a problem with that.
That being said, I'm still wondering what name this ficticious business is registered under. There sure isn't any Blight, LLC (the name he used) here in WA state (the state he claimed it was in). There is that company owned by Rich and Sue Larsen, but he is not a member of that LLC. I wonder what his contracts say?
I guess I would urge him to just fork over $250 to legalzoom, its not that hard to create a legit LLC. And that way, if he gets sued, liability does not go beyond the company. Shit, this is the first thing this guy should be doing. You definitely get the impression that he is not an adult and is going at this all alone.
On September 07 2012 14:05 Brasi wrote: I'll be honest, I don't see much issue with using sponsorship income to pay down liabilities, new or old. Unless the prior entity files for bankruptcy, he must use retained earnings to pay them down, just like any other business. retained earnings generated by net profits that are generated by sponsorship revenue.
It should make no difference to the sponsor how the money is used, since (I assume) they pay that money for exposure and plugs that the team provides. Having just watched Djokovic beat Del Potro, I guess I would compare it to Chase (the US Open sponsor) dictating to the apt that their payment goes to one thing and not another. No... Chase pays for that sign on the wall, which they got. US Open can use that money on staff, promos, utilities, paying down liabilities, etc.
I'm not sure why everyone here seems to have a problem with that.
That being said, I'm still wondering what name this ficticious business is registered under. There sure isn't any Blight, LLC (the name he used) here in WA state (the state he claimed it was in). There is that company owned by Rich and Sue Larsen, but he is not a member of that LLC. I wonder what his contracts say?
I guess I would urge him to just fork over $250 to legalzoom, its not that hard to create a legit LLC. And that way, if he gets sued, liability does not go beyond the company. Shit, this is the first thing this guy should be doing. You definitely get the impression that he is not an adult and is going at this all alone.
This is why there will always be a written agreement between all involved stakeholders when a business deal is made. You don't just hand over a check simply because you had a few phone conversations. It just doesn't work like that.
On September 07 2012 15:03 ShynZ wrote: i thought ur gonna have a post on your website addressing the issues... what happened to it? exactly, u cant even keep up with your words.
well he kinda did, but still haven't addressed some issues directly though.
If this guy has sponsors they should be pointed to this thread imo. If a sponsor encounters him as first person in esports that will be their last as well.
On September 07 2012 14:05 Brasi wrote: I'll be honest, I don't see much issue with using sponsorship income to pay down liabilities, new or old. Unless the prior entity files for bankruptcy, he must use retained earnings to pay them down, just like any other business. retained earnings generated by net profits that are generated by sponsorship revenue.
It should make no difference to the sponsor how the money is used, since (I assume) they pay that money for exposure and plugs that the team provides. Having just watched Djokovic beat Del Potro, I guess I would compare it to Chase (the US Open sponsor) dictating to the apt that their payment goes to one thing and not another. No... Chase pays for that sign on the wall, which they got. US Open can use that money on staff, promos, utilities, paying down liabilities, etc.
I'm not sure why everyone here seems to have a problem with that.
I'm with you on this one. A sponsor will almost definitely have some requirements in the contract, but once those are met, it's up to the team to decide where the rest of the money should go. Most e-sports teams put that money into growing their team, but that isn't absolutely mandatory. If the team wants to pay the management a salary or pay off debts from old mistakes, then that's their right.
Having said that, everything this guy says seems to be BS. Best case scenario is that he's some dumb kid that thought he would start up an awesome esports team. So he promised good players money and then hoped their results would get him a big sponsorship deal to actually pay what he promised. The sponsorships never came through (it takes hard work!) and thus he never paid anyone back. Worst case scenario is that he promises stuff with no intention of ever paying. He still tries to get sponsorships and then keeps that money for himself and never pays even when he gets money in.
This blackfoger guy refutes my ideas of me being unable to manage a gaming team over and over again. At worst, I can be another blackfoger in the history of e-sports.
On September 07 2012 11:10 UHF wrote: Blackfoger - at this point you are going to have a hard time trying to get people to believe you, even if you slap an apology on. At this point there are far too many incidents involving you, and too many people claiming to be mislead, lied to and scammed. It's common knowledge you've been extremely shady, regardless if it was 100% your fault or not, you were involved and everything points back to you and your actions. Here are some questions that will get you started into showing some real transparency:
1. Who is Blight Gaming
You seem to be only person operating Blight Gaming - your name is on everything, yet you keep referring to 'we'. You want to show transparency? Let us know all the non-players are working for the team - names/tags/positions. Who is in charge of what?
Also include names for the 'restructure' you refer to in your apology: "We have added more Employee's ranging from EU managing director, Social media Marketer, Organizational Development Consultant, Talent Scouter, Content managers".
2. Where are your funds coming from
After spending nearly 70k out of pocket - where exactly did your money come from in the past, and where is it coming from now? Don't give a broad reponse!
3. Who is currently sponsoring Blight Gaming and to what extent
Name your sponsors and the depth of their commital to the team. Yes, we can understand some information can't be revealed regarding sponsor deals, but give us a good idea of what is happening here.
4. What is the entire extent of your player roster
Name all the players on the Blight roster & which game they are involved in. No walk-ins - actually playing under the Blight tag. Are these players getting paid?
5. How can you guarantee sincerity in the future?
Contracts are good and all, but we all know how flimsy gaming contracts can be. What are you going to do to guarantee teams & players that you will follow through with your promises in future. Will you pay upfront?
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If you can answer these questions with some truth instead of dodging, shifting blame, shrouding your answers, been vague - you might actually gain some ground with people.
On September 07 2012 02:27 VirgilSC2 wrote: Just for some standpoint as to how delusional Blackfoger has gotten, the list of players he mentioned to me he was looking at acquiring are:
That really is hilarious. I sincerely hope all of this works out for Crane; I'm not exactly eager to trust Blight, and I sure as heck hope he knows what he's getting into.
On September 07 2012 14:05 Brasi wrote: I'll be honest, I don't see much issue with using sponsorship income to pay down liabilities, new or old. Unless the prior entity files for bankruptcy, he must use retained earnings to pay them down, just like any other business. retained earnings generated by net profits that are generated by sponsorship revenue.
It should make no difference to the sponsor how the money is used, since (I assume) they pay that money for exposure and plugs that the team provides. Having just watched Djokovic beat Del Potro, I guess I would compare it to Chase (the US Open sponsor) dictating to the apt that their payment goes to one thing and not another. No... Chase pays for that sign on the wall, which they got. US Open can use that money on staff, promos, utilities, paying down liabilities, etc.
I'm not sure why everyone here seems to have a problem with that.
I'm with you on this one. A sponsor will almost definitely have some requirements in the contract, but once those are met, it's up to the team to decide where the rest of the money should go. Most e-sports teams put that money into growing their team, but that isn't absolutely mandatory. If the team wants to pay the management a salary or pay off debts from old mistakes, then that's their right.
Having said that, everything this guy says seems to be BS. Best case scenario is that he's some dumb kid that thought he would start up an awesome esports team. So he promised good players money and then hoped their results would get him a big sponsorship deal to actually pay what he promised. The sponsorships never came through (it takes hard work!) and thus he never paid anyone back. Worst case scenario is that he promises stuff with no intention of ever paying. He still tries to get sponsorships and then keeps that money for himself and never pays even when he gets money in.
Yeah, except no. A financial mistake and scams/fraud/wrong reportings are completely different. It would be like bankers in the US saying they're totally fine and can pay everything and then magically over the course of time slowly revealing they don't have anything and are in major debt. Then, amazingly enough, after not telling the truth to everyone they're like "yo, wanna help me out here government? I know I scammed a bunch of people and gambled with money I had but when it comes to my own livelyhood it's not like you'll make ME pay that money back, right?" But that's totally definitely never happened. >.>....
To be honest, i feel a bit sad that the community here is even giving this guy a chance
Hes screwed and scammed way too many people and is an absolute pathological liar, totally untrustworthy.
Maybe it's understandable cause it seems like we are just flaming him and you don't even know anything about him, but he has a LONG LONG history of scams, lies and deceit. And every time he covers up with vague excuses and outright lies. Don't trust anything this guy says *ever*. This guy literally can't help but lie
On September 07 2012 11:10 UHF wrote: Blackfoger - at this point you are going to have a hard time trying to get people to believe you, even if you slap an apology on. At this point there are far too many incidents involving you, and too many people claiming to be mislead, lied to and scammed. It's common knowledge you've been extremely shady, regardless if it was 100% your fault or not, you were involved and everything points back to you and your actions. Here are some questions that will get you started into showing some real transparency:
1. Who is Blight Gaming
You seem to be only person operating Blight Gaming - your name is on everything, yet you keep referring to 'we'. You want to show transparency? Let us know all the non-players are working for the team - names/tags/positions. Who is in charge of what?
Also include names for the 'restructure' you refer to in your apology: "We have added more Employee's ranging from EU managing director, Social media Marketer, Organizational Development Consultant, Talent Scouter, Content managers".
2. Where are your funds coming from
After spending nearly 70k out of pocket - where exactly did your money come from in the past, and where is it coming from now? Don't give a broad reponse!
3. Who is currently sponsoring Blight Gaming and to what extent
Name your sponsors and the depth of their commital to the team. Yes, we can understand some information can't be revealed regarding sponsor deals, but give us a good idea of what is happening here.
4. What is the entire extent of your player roster
Name all the players on the Blight roster & which game they are involved in. No walk-ins - actually playing under the Blight tag. Are these players getting paid?
5. How can you guarantee sincerity in the future?
Contracts are good and all, but we all know how flimsy gaming contracts can be. What are you going to do to guarantee teams & players that you will follow through with your promises in future. Will you pay upfront?
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If you can answer these questions with some truth instead of dodging, shifting blame, shrouding your answers, been vague - you might actually gain some ground with people.
Do this. Also, you DESPERATELY need to have past players post on THIS thread and vouch for you.
In fact, I bet IF you can ONLY have current (at least 3 months with you) and past players come on this thread and post to vouch for you, you will be able to repair this mess you have gotten yourself into.
How about it community? Would that help him redeem himself?
Maybe it's understandable cause it seems like we are just flaming him and you don't even know anything about him, but he has a LONG LONG history of scams, lies and deceit. And every time he covers up with vague excuses and outright lies. Don't trust anything this guy says *ever*. This guy literally can't help but lie
This seems quite likely, I wouldn't really be surprised if he doesn't even realise that what he's been doing all these years is wrong. Maybe blackfoger just compulsively fucks people over and doesn't realise what he's done. I mean he doesn't even try to change his handle or change the name of his organisation, he just repeats the same pattern over and over again, with the same lies and bullshit excuses why he fucked over the last people he made promises to, and then returning back for more. I'm not even sure if calling Blight gaming a scam is accurate, at least it doesn't seem to cover the whole story.
On September 07 2012 22:53 BrTarolg wrote: To be honest, i feel a bit sad that the community here is even giving this guy a chance
Hes screwed and scammed way too many people and is an absolute pathological liar, totally untrustworthy.
Maybe it's understandable cause it seems like we are just flaming him and you don't even know anything about him, but he has a LONG LONG history of scams, lies and deceit. And every time he covers up with vague excuses and outright lies. Don't trust anything this guy says *ever*. This guy literally can't help but lie
yeah i agree with you. Someone that have been scamming people for money is not trustworthy at all. When something gets to personal you have crossed the line.
I hadn't followed anything about him before this. Seems like he's very similar to other small esports organizations, making promises to send people to events and pay salaries. The difference lies, where other organizations put the "IF" clauses, the if hanging upon sponsors actually signing and providing funds. Furthermore, when the deal falls through, they let their players know immediately, instead of stringing them along. Having your players pay for expenses that cannot be reimbursed instead of admitting failure is unacceptable.
Maybe he's just a crazed optimist. He should remember that the only thing harder to get out of an investor than a yes, is a no. Maybe's mean nothing.
On September 07 2012 11:10 UHF wrote: Blackfoger - at this point you are going to have a hard time trying to get people to believe you, even if you slap an apology on. At this point there are far too many incidents involving you, and too many people claiming to be mislead, lied to and scammed. It's common knowledge you've been extremely shady, regardless if it was 100% your fault or not, you were involved and everything points back to you and your actions. Here are some questions that will get you started into showing some real transparency:
1. Who is Blight Gaming
You seem to be only person operating Blight Gaming - your name is on everything, yet you keep referring to 'we'. You want to show transparency? Let us know all the non-players are working for the team - names/tags/positions. Who is in charge of what?
Also include names for the 'restructure' you refer to in your apology: "We have added more Employee's ranging from EU managing director, Social media Marketer, Organizational Development Consultant, Talent Scouter, Content managers".
2. Where are your funds coming from
After spending nearly 70k out of pocket - where exactly did your money come from in the past, and where is it coming from now? Don't give a broad reponse!
3. Who is currently sponsoring Blight Gaming and to what extent
Name your sponsors and the depth of their commital to the team. Yes, we can understand some information can't be revealed regarding sponsor deals, but give us a good idea of what is happening here.
4. What is the entire extent of your player roster
Name all the players on the Blight roster & which game they are involved in. No walk-ins - actually playing under the Blight tag. Are these players getting paid?
5. How can you guarantee sincerity in the future?
Contracts are good and all, but we all know how flimsy gaming contracts can be. What are you going to do to guarantee teams & players that you will follow through with your promises in future. Will you pay upfront?
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If you can answer these questions with some truth instead of dodging, shifting blame, shrouding your answers, been vague - you might actually gain some ground with people.
Do this. Also, you DESPERATELY need to have past players post on THIS thread and vouch for you.
In fact, I bet IF you can ONLY have current (at least 3 months with you) and past players come on this thread and post to vouch for you, you will be able to repair this mess you have gotten yourself into.
How about it community? Would that help him redeem himself?
He's had way more than enough chances and fucked over way too many people. His replies in this thread and his "article" trying to explain him fucking people over reek of bullshit and he hasn't actually explained anything, just made excuses. I for one will make it a point to follow everything he does so I can contact any sponsors he gets and any players he scams into signing and tell them exactly what he's done in the past.
From their "About US" Page: (And I just skimmed the page briefly)
How many people work for Blight? We employee over a 30 full time people, We are an equal opportunity employer we don’t discriminate race or creed. We hire new employee’s all the time so please apply if you think you have a skill set that can be added to blight. Apply at TeamBlight@gmail.com
Do you have Intern position?
Blight hires workers all the time for unpaid intern positions that may lead to full time paid positions. Please feel free to email us if you want to help with our organization.
Not even going to touch the fact that there are so many grammar issues it hurts my eyes... He employs 30 people yet he is writing his own articles and quoting himself in them? Internships can lead to full-time paid positions in his organization? All the while owing countless people 4 figure sums each?
Living in a dream world much? Embellishing facts to a ridiculous extent? Follow an outlandish dream rather than pay back his own debts? Yeah... this guy deserves a 15th chance in the eSports industry [exaggeration].
Never heard of blackfoger before this, but the name "Blight" Gaming run by "blackfoger" couldn't get much shadier.
While I don't recommend mass e-mailing sponsors with negativity whenever things happen, I don't think it hurts to e-mail sponsors just to confirm if they are really sponsoring Blight Gaming or not. If they do sponsor the team, there is no reason they should hide the fact. (rather, they would love to acknowledge the sponsorship) Or, if they don't sponsor the team, there is no reason they should pretend they actually do, either. Also, assuming one wants to support Blight Gaming, he/she needs to know who actually sponsors the team. It seems "own3Dtv" and "DOLBY AXON" are claimed to be team's sponsors. Can someone who knows the situation/context better e-mail these sponsors to confirm the current/past sponsorship of Blight Gaming, preferably without negativity for now? While there is a high chance that Blight Gaming is fake, judging from circumstantial evidence like blackfoger's past, website quality, and his response in this thread, we need to have hard evidence to call it so with 100% confidence. Right now, he can take advantage of the benefit of the doubt. Also, don't all businesses have to register by the US law? Checking business registration could be another start. If everything checks out fine and Crane and others get deals as promised, then maybe people can start to pay some respect.
On September 08 2012 03:32 Orek wrote: Never heard of blackfoger before this, but the name "Blight" Gaming run by "blackfoger" couldn't get much shadier.
While I don't recommend mass e-mailing sponsors with negativity whenever things happen, I don't think it hurts to e-mail sponsors just to confirm if they are really sponsoring Blight Gaming or not. If they do sponsor the team, there is no reason they should hide the fact. (rather, they would love to acknowledge the sponsorship) Or, if they don't sponsor the team, there is no reason they should pretend they actually do, either. Also, assuming one wants to support Blight Gaming, he/she needs to know who actually sponsors the team. It seems "own3Dtv" and "DOLBY AXON" are claimed to be team's sponsors. Can someone who knows the situation/context better e-mail these sponsors to confirm the current/past sponsorship of Blight Gaming, preferably without negativity for now? While there is a high chance that Blight Gaming is fake, judging from circumstantial evidence like blackfoger's past, website quality, and his response in this thread, we need to have hard evidence to call it so with 100% confidence. Right now, he can take advantage of the benefit of the doubt. Also, don't all businesses have to register by the US law? Checking business registration could be another start. If everything checks out fine and Crane and others get deals as promised, then maybe people can start to pay some respect.
You must not have read the entire thread because most, if not all, of what you stated has already been addressed.
On September 08 2012 03:32 Orek wrote: Never heard of blackfoger before this, but the name "Blight" Gaming run by "blackfoger" couldn't get much shadier.
While I don't recommend mass e-mailing sponsors with negativity whenever things happen, I don't think it hurts to e-mail sponsors just to confirm if they are really sponsoring Blight Gaming or not. If they do sponsor the team, there is no reason they should hide the fact. (rather, they would love to acknowledge the sponsorship) Or, if they don't sponsor the team, there is no reason they should pretend they actually do, either. Also, assuming one wants to support Blight Gaming, he/she needs to know who actually sponsors the team. It seems "own3Dtv" and "DOLBY AXON" are claimed to be team's sponsors. Can someone who knows the situation/context better e-mail these sponsors to confirm the current/past sponsorship of Blight Gaming, preferably without negativity for now? While there is a high chance that Blight Gaming is fake, judging from circumstantial evidence like blackfoger's past, website quality, and his response in this thread, we need to have hard evidence to call it so with 100% confidence. Right now, he can take advantage of the benefit of the doubt. Also, don't all businesses have to register by the US law? Checking business registration could be another start. If everything checks out fine and Crane and others get deals as promised, then maybe people can start to pay some respect.
You must not have read the entire thread because most, if not all, of what you stated has already been addressed.
hmm. from what I've read, it is not independently confirmed that own3Dtv and DOBY AXON sponsors Blight Gaming except for blackfoger's own words below:
On September 07 2012 09:35 cmgillett wrote: they don't have sponsors, everything is fake. He lives in his mother's basement and has fabricated this entire thing.
No none of that is true in the least bit can you provide evidence.
We are not currently paying off debts with sponsors I meant it as an example. If we shut down operations there would be no advertising income from adsense or donations which we do use to pay people back including the money from my pocket. Shutting down would hurt our current teams and sponsors such as when we did in the past.
I meant it as please refrain from emailing our new sponsors being released as they are the one's supporting crane and our current team what purpose does it serve sabotaging the current deal the players are getting if we are going to be delivering to them.
Probably because based on numerous reports you do not actually deliver what you or your 'organization' promises, and if you do it appears to be much less then what was originally agreed upon.
Just taking a quick peek at your website, your banner shows Dolby, Owned.tv, and Rj's Creative Studios as sponsors. If you look on your right side bar, only owned and dolby are listed. In addition, if we go to your sponsor page, you have WSAD keyboards listed, which is listed nowhere in the banner or on the right hand side sponsor area. Now, I understand sponsors pay for different things, however with this much inconsistency, and the fact that generally a dedicated sponsor page lists all of the organization's sponsors, I'm leaning toward your only current sponsorship being WSAD keyboards, keeping the banner because it looks cool and you don't have a graphics guy to change (or know how to change it yourself), along with keeping the right side sponsors of owned and dolby because they are big names.
I hope this thread continues as it has until some solid evidence can be proved or we can see some verifiable evidence from one of your players stating the agreement they have with you is currently being met in full
He mentioned earlier that he lost the WASD sponsorship because of the community emailing the sponsors with negativity. So, now I ask, which ones are real?
Yes we did lose them and honestly a few of our players were very mad at the few that decided to email WASD. We had a great deal going with them and was very unjust.
So I ask again..which of the sponsors on your webpage are REAL?
We are working with Own3d.tv and Dolby. We are announcing a energy supplement company within two weeks here.
So, I thought it would be nice if someone can confirm it, which hasn't been done so far.
On September 08 2012 03:32 Orek wrote: Never heard of blackfoger before this, but the name "Blight" Gaming run by "blackfoger" couldn't get much shadier.
While I don't recommend mass e-mailing sponsors with negativity whenever things happen, I don't think it hurts to e-mail sponsors just to confirm if they are really sponsoring Blight Gaming or not. If they do sponsor the team, there is no reason they should hide the fact. (rather, they would love to acknowledge the sponsorship) Or, if they don't sponsor the team, there is no reason they should pretend they actually do, either. Also, assuming one wants to support Blight Gaming, he/she needs to know who actually sponsors the team. It seems "own3Dtv" and "DOLBY AXON" are claimed to be team's sponsors. Can someone who knows the situation/context better e-mail these sponsors to confirm the current/past sponsorship of Blight Gaming, preferably without negativity for now? While there is a high chance that Blight Gaming is fake, judging from circumstantial evidence like blackfoger's past, website quality, and his response in this thread, we need to have hard evidence to call it so with 100% confidence. Right now, he can take advantage of the benefit of the doubt. Also, don't all businesses have to register by the US law? Checking business registration could be another start. If everything checks out fine and Crane and others get deals as promised, then maybe people can start to pay some respect.
You must not have read the entire thread because most, if not all, of what you stated has already been addressed.
hmm. from what I've read, it is not independently confirmed that own3Dtv and DOBY AXON sponsors Blight Gaming except for blackfoger's own words below:
On September 07 2012 09:35 cmgillett wrote: they don't have sponsors, everything is fake. He lives in his mother's basement and has fabricated this entire thing.
No none of that is true in the least bit can you provide evidence.
We are not currently paying off debts with sponsors I meant it as an example. If we shut down operations there would be no advertising income from adsense or donations which we do use to pay people back including the money from my pocket. Shutting down would hurt our current teams and sponsors such as when we did in the past.
I meant it as please refrain from emailing our new sponsors being released as they are the one's supporting crane and our current team what purpose does it serve sabotaging the current deal the players are getting if we are going to be delivering to them.
Probably because based on numerous reports you do not actually deliver what you or your 'organization' promises, and if you do it appears to be much less then what was originally agreed upon.
Just taking a quick peek at your website, your banner shows Dolby, Owned.tv, and Rj's Creative Studios as sponsors. If you look on your right side bar, only owned and dolby are listed. In addition, if we go to your sponsor page, you have WSAD keyboards listed, which is listed nowhere in the banner or on the right hand side sponsor area. Now, I understand sponsors pay for different things, however with this much inconsistency, and the fact that generally a dedicated sponsor page lists all of the organization's sponsors, I'm leaning toward your only current sponsorship being WSAD keyboards, keeping the banner because it looks cool and you don't have a graphics guy to change (or know how to change it yourself), along with keeping the right side sponsors of owned and dolby because they are big names.
I hope this thread continues as it has until some solid evidence can be proved or we can see some verifiable evidence from one of your players stating the agreement they have with you is currently being met in full
He mentioned earlier that he lost the WASD sponsorship because of the community emailing the sponsors with negativity. So, now I ask, which ones are real?
Yes we did lose them and honestly a few of our players were very mad at the few that decided to email WASD. We had a great deal going with them and was very unjust.
So I ask again..which of the sponsors on your webpage are REAL?
We are working with Own3d.tv and Dolby. We are announcing a energy supplement company within two weeks here.
So, I thought it would be nice if someone can confirm it, which hasn't been done so far.
Posted earlier by me:
Who are you kidding, your own3d sponsorship came with v8 eSports and hinged on that LoL team. You screwed over that organization you tried to merge with last year, too. own3d may have given you partner status to receive some ad revenue, but no one streams enough for you to receive any money. You may not even receive that since the LoL team left due to your lack of morality.
This was also confirmed last night by one of the v8 eSports co-owners who was also lied to last year. Blackfoger claimed to the v8 owners that Blight be sponsored by TteSports (to which I know is false because my organization CheckSix was sponsored by Tt), Thermaltake, and a few other notable sponsored while in negotiations to merge. Three weeks to a month following the merger, it was becoming clear to the ex-v8 entity that the claims Blackfoger had lured them in with were completely false. Blight also attempted to steal the website that v8 contributed to the merger once the union was disbanded (due to false claims and owed money to players). All of this is also confirmed by the co-owner of v8 who merged with Blight.
There is evidence he has lied about sponsors before to give people the impression that his "organization" is bigger and more successful than it really is. There is evidence and testimonials that the own3d sponsorship is fabricated. One can only assume that this Dolby (who by the way is a very stable and solidified corporation whose odds of dealing with the likes of Blight are very low) "sponsorship" is either fabricated or exaggerated to make it seem like Blight is something more than it really is. If you want to go e-mail Dolby and ask if they fund Blight, go right ahead. I, however, already know the tune to this song knowing the guy since 2010.
On September 08 2012 03:32 Orek wrote: Never heard of blackfoger before this, but the name "Blight" Gaming run by "blackfoger" couldn't get much shadier.
While I don't recommend mass e-mailing sponsors with negativity whenever things happen, I don't think it hurts to e-mail sponsors just to confirm if they are really sponsoring Blight Gaming or not. If they do sponsor the team, there is no reason they should hide the fact. (rather, they would love to acknowledge the sponsorship) Or, if they don't sponsor the team, there is no reason they should pretend they actually do, either. Also, assuming one wants to support Blight Gaming, he/she needs to know who actually sponsors the team. It seems "own3Dtv" and "DOLBY AXON" are claimed to be team's sponsors. Can someone who knows the situation/context better e-mail these sponsors to confirm the current/past sponsorship of Blight Gaming, preferably without negativity for now? While there is a high chance that Blight Gaming is fake, judging from circumstantial evidence like blackfoger's past, website quality, and his response in this thread, we need to have hard evidence to call it so with 100% confidence. Right now, he can take advantage of the benefit of the doubt. Also, don't all businesses have to register by the US law? Checking business registration could be another start. If everything checks out fine and Crane and others get deals as promised, then maybe people can start to pay some respect.
You must not have read the entire thread because most, if not all, of what you stated has already been addressed.
hmm. from what I've read, it is not independently confirmed that own3Dtv and DOBY AXON sponsors Blight Gaming except for blackfoger's own words below:
On September 07 2012 10:07 Blackfoger wrote:
On September 07 2012 10:04 zachMEISTER wrote:
On September 07 2012 10:00 Blackfoger wrote:
On September 07 2012 09:50 zachMEISTER wrote:
On September 07 2012 09:47 Battleaxe wrote:
On September 07 2012 09:40 Blackfoger wrote:
On September 07 2012 09:35 cmgillett wrote: they don't have sponsors, everything is fake. He lives in his mother's basement and has fabricated this entire thing.
No none of that is true in the least bit can you provide evidence.
We are not currently paying off debts with sponsors I meant it as an example. If we shut down operations there would be no advertising income from adsense or donations which we do use to pay people back including the money from my pocket. Shutting down would hurt our current teams and sponsors such as when we did in the past.
I meant it as please refrain from emailing our new sponsors being released as they are the one's supporting crane and our current team what purpose does it serve sabotaging the current deal the players are getting if we are going to be delivering to them.
Probably because based on numerous reports you do not actually deliver what you or your 'organization' promises, and if you do it appears to be much less then what was originally agreed upon.
Just taking a quick peek at your website, your banner shows Dolby, Owned.tv, and Rj's Creative Studios as sponsors. If you look on your right side bar, only owned and dolby are listed. In addition, if we go to your sponsor page, you have WSAD keyboards listed, which is listed nowhere in the banner or on the right hand side sponsor area. Now, I understand sponsors pay for different things, however with this much inconsistency, and the fact that generally a dedicated sponsor page lists all of the organization's sponsors, I'm leaning toward your only current sponsorship being WSAD keyboards, keeping the banner because it looks cool and you don't have a graphics guy to change (or know how to change it yourself), along with keeping the right side sponsors of owned and dolby because they are big names.
I hope this thread continues as it has until some solid evidence can be proved or we can see some verifiable evidence from one of your players stating the agreement they have with you is currently being met in full
He mentioned earlier that he lost the WASD sponsorship because of the community emailing the sponsors with negativity. So, now I ask, which ones are real?
Yes we did lose them and honestly a few of our players were very mad at the few that decided to email WASD. We had a great deal going with them and was very unjust.
So I ask again..which of the sponsors on your webpage are REAL?
We are working with Own3d.tv and Dolby. We are announcing a energy supplement company within two weeks here.
So, I thought it would be nice if someone can confirm it, which hasn't been done so far.
Posted earlier by me:
Who are you kidding, your own3d sponsorship came with v8 eSports and hinged on that LoL team. You screwed over that organization you tried to merge with last year, too. own3d may have given you partner status to receive some ad revenue, but no one streams enough for you to receive any money. You may not even receive that since the LoL team left due to your lack of morality.
This was also confirmed last night by one of the v8 eSports co-owners who was also lied to last year. Blackfoger claimed to the v8 owners that Blight be sponsored by TteSports (to which I know is false because my organization CheckSix was sponsored by Tt), Thermaltake, and a few other notable sponsored while in negotiations to merge. Three weeks to a month following the merger, it was becoming clear to the ex-v8 entity that the claims Blackfoger had lured them in with were completely false. Blight also attempted to steal the website that v8 contributed to the merger once the union was disbanded (due to false claims and owed money to players). All of this is also confirmed by the co-owner of v8 who merged with Blight.
There is evidence he has lied about sponsors before to give people the impression that his "organization" is bigger and more successful than it really is. There is evidence and testimonials that the own3d sponsorship is fabricated. One can only assume that this Dolby (who by the way is a very stable and solidified corporation whose odds of dealing with the likes of Blight are very low) "sponsorship" is either fabricated or exaggerated to make it seem like Blight is something more than it really is. If you want to go e-mail Dolby and ask if they fund Blight, go right ahead. I, however, already know the tune to this song knowing the guy since 2010.
Great work you are doing on this matter. It's just that 99% circumstantial evidence is not enough to convince me, and I believe more in innocent until proven guilty. Thanks for your input/insight, though. You are doing awesome job for this community!!
On September 08 2012 03:32 Orek wrote: Never heard of blackfoger before this, but the name "Blight" Gaming run by "blackfoger" couldn't get much shadier.
While I don't recommend mass e-mailing sponsors with negativity whenever things happen, I don't think it hurts to e-mail sponsors just to confirm if they are really sponsoring Blight Gaming or not. If they do sponsor the team, there is no reason they should hide the fact. (rather, they would love to acknowledge the sponsorship) Or, if they don't sponsor the team, there is no reason they should pretend they actually do, either. Also, assuming one wants to support Blight Gaming, he/she needs to know who actually sponsors the team. It seems "own3Dtv" and "DOLBY AXON" are claimed to be team's sponsors. Can someone who knows the situation/context better e-mail these sponsors to confirm the current/past sponsorship of Blight Gaming, preferably without negativity for now? While there is a high chance that Blight Gaming is fake, judging from circumstantial evidence like blackfoger's past, website quality, and his response in this thread, we need to have hard evidence to call it so with 100% confidence. Right now, he can take advantage of the benefit of the doubt. Also, don't all businesses have to register by the US law? Checking business registration could be another start. If everything checks out fine and Crane and others get deals as promised, then maybe people can start to pay some respect.
You must not have read the entire thread because most, if not all, of what you stated has already been addressed.
hmm. from what I've read, it is not independently confirmed that own3Dtv and DOBY AXON sponsors Blight Gaming except for blackfoger's own words below:
On September 07 2012 10:07 Blackfoger wrote:
On September 07 2012 10:04 zachMEISTER wrote:
On September 07 2012 10:00 Blackfoger wrote:
On September 07 2012 09:50 zachMEISTER wrote:
On September 07 2012 09:47 Battleaxe wrote:
On September 07 2012 09:40 Blackfoger wrote:
On September 07 2012 09:35 cmgillett wrote: they don't have sponsors, everything is fake. He lives in his mother's basement and has fabricated this entire thing.
No none of that is true in the least bit can you provide evidence.
We are not currently paying off debts with sponsors I meant it as an example. If we shut down operations there would be no advertising income from adsense or donations which we do use to pay people back including the money from my pocket. Shutting down would hurt our current teams and sponsors such as when we did in the past.
I meant it as please refrain from emailing our new sponsors being released as they are the one's supporting crane and our current team what purpose does it serve sabotaging the current deal the players are getting if we are going to be delivering to them.
Probably because based on numerous reports you do not actually deliver what you or your 'organization' promises, and if you do it appears to be much less then what was originally agreed upon.
Just taking a quick peek at your website, your banner shows Dolby, Owned.tv, and Rj's Creative Studios as sponsors. If you look on your right side bar, only owned and dolby are listed. In addition, if we go to your sponsor page, you have WSAD keyboards listed, which is listed nowhere in the banner or on the right hand side sponsor area. Now, I understand sponsors pay for different things, however with this much inconsistency, and the fact that generally a dedicated sponsor page lists all of the organization's sponsors, I'm leaning toward your only current sponsorship being WSAD keyboards, keeping the banner because it looks cool and you don't have a graphics guy to change (or know how to change it yourself), along with keeping the right side sponsors of owned and dolby because they are big names.
I hope this thread continues as it has until some solid evidence can be proved or we can see some verifiable evidence from one of your players stating the agreement they have with you is currently being met in full
He mentioned earlier that he lost the WASD sponsorship because of the community emailing the sponsors with negativity. So, now I ask, which ones are real?
Yes we did lose them and honestly a few of our players were very mad at the few that decided to email WASD. We had a great deal going with them and was very unjust.
So I ask again..which of the sponsors on your webpage are REAL?
We are working with Own3d.tv and Dolby. We are announcing a energy supplement company within two weeks here.
So, I thought it would be nice if someone can confirm it, which hasn't been done so far.
Posted earlier by me:
Who are you kidding, your own3d sponsorship came with v8 eSports and hinged on that LoL team. You screwed over that organization you tried to merge with last year, too. own3d may have given you partner status to receive some ad revenue, but no one streams enough for you to receive any money. You may not even receive that since the LoL team left due to your lack of morality.
This was also confirmed last night by one of the v8 eSports co-owners who was also lied to last year. Blackfoger claimed to the v8 owners that Blight be sponsored by TteSports (to which I know is false because my organization CheckSix was sponsored by Tt), Thermaltake, and a few other notable sponsored while in negotiations to merge. Three weeks to a month following the merger, it was becoming clear to the ex-v8 entity that the claims Blackfoger had lured them in with were completely false. Blight also attempted to steal the website that v8 contributed to the merger once the union was disbanded (due to false claims and owed money to players). All of this is also confirmed by the co-owner of v8 who merged with Blight.
There is evidence he has lied about sponsors before to give people the impression that his "organization" is bigger and more successful than it really is. There is evidence and testimonials that the own3d sponsorship is fabricated. One can only assume that this Dolby (who by the way is a very stable and solidified corporation whose odds of dealing with the likes of Blight are very low) "sponsorship" is either fabricated or exaggerated to make it seem like Blight is something more than it really is. If you want to go e-mail Dolby and ask if they fund Blight, go right ahead. I, however, already know the tune to this song knowing the guy since 2010.
Great work you are doing on this matter. It's just that 99% circumstantial evidence is not enough to convince me, and I believe more in innocent until proven guilty. Thanks for your input/insight, though. You are doing awesome job for this community!!
I respect that view. Sadly, that's what got me a little over 2,000 USD within two weeks investing into Blight. This was November of 2010. Two weeks after giving him a little of 2,000 USD (I can't remember the exact amount), he requested upwards of 5,000 USD for "various projects" to which he couldn't expand on. Upon that request and the refusal of more information as to where my 2K went in 1-2 weeks and where another 5K was going to go... I became more weary of his tactics. Within two weeks after that, I notified Blackfoger that I didn't think Blight was for me. The next month, I joined another fellow Blackfoger had scammed out of 1,500 USD (he had to bail Blackfoger out of stiffing a team at a LAN) and joined CheckSix Gaming where I became part equity owner with that said person.
So, if you are looking for innocence in Blackfoger, I am sad to say that you will be hard pressed to find any whatsoever. Even after I realized he didn't have very strong character, I still clang to hope that he would change and I actually tried to be the catalyst for that change. However, after watching my efforts fail in vain and to see him continue his immoral decision making, I finally gave up. I realize you are referring to his "sponsorships" and not his track record with colleagues or the rest of the eSports community, but his history should shed some light as to the exact nature of his values and ethics. For a person who is trying to contribute to the growth of eSports as a whole (quantity within the community, quality of the community, and corporate involvement within the industry), I believe people such as Blackfoger will only hinder our efforts to legitimize eSports as a notable industry.
On September 08 2012 04:29 Orek wrote: It's just that 99% circumstantial evidence is not enough to convince me, and I believe more in innocent until proven guilty.
On September 08 2012 04:29 Orek wrote: It's just that 99% circumstantial evidence is not enough to convince me, and I believe more in innocent until proven guilty.
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That's not how real life (or the law) works..
Depends on the country. I believe most country use the Presumption of innocence do they not ?
On September 08 2012 05:53 hunts wrote: Is there a way to email dolby and owned.tv? I'm sure they'll be "happy" to hear that they're being claimed as sponsors by some scamming little kid.
Our deals with both companies aren't large by any means. We will be announcing a new sponsor within 2 weeks here. Please refrain from emailing our new sponsor, we do not want to get dropped by them as we were by WASD. These companies support our players.
On September 08 2012 04:29 Orek wrote: It's just that 99% circumstantial evidence is not enough to convince me, and I believe more in innocent until proven guilty.
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That's not how real life (or the law) works..
Depends on the country. I believe most country use the Presumption of innocence do they not ?
What country requires a greater than 99% level of confidence in guilt before sentencing?
Circumstantial evidence is still evidence, and when the preponderance of evidence implies guilt you don't just sit around and wait for the 'absolute proof' that probably doesn't exist.
Our deals with both companies aren't large by any means. We will be announcing a new sponsor within 2 weeks here. Please refrain from emailing our new sponsor, we do not want to get dropped by them as we were by WASD. These companies support our players.
Why didn't you show us this before?
The dolby one doesn't even mention you being sponsored by them, just the fact that you use their equipment. It seems more of an interview than a declartion of sponorship.
The Dolby tumblr link is just an interview from what I can tell. There's no mention of sponsorship. It's just them saying that they use Dolby stuff. And that it's good and stuff.
The own3d link is just their channel... I really don't know where they're going with this one.
On September 08 2012 04:29 Orek wrote: It's just that 99% circumstantial evidence is not enough to convince me, and I believe more in innocent until proven guilty.
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That's not how real life (or the law) works..
Depends on the country. I believe most country use the Presumption of innocence do they not ?
What country requires a greater than 99% level of confidence in guilt before sentencing?
Circumstantial evidence is still evidence, and when the preponderance of evidence implies guilt you don't just sit around and wait for the 'absolute proof' that probably doesn't exist.
Adding to that, there is a reason it's called without reasonable doubt and not absolute certainty. There is always a chance the guy got brainwashed by invisible aliens, but that's unreasonable. If you gather enough evidence that makes it unreasonable to not consider him guilty, it doesn't matter that there isn't anything with 100% certainty that says he did it. Almost nothing can be proved with 100% certainty.
Our deals with both companies aren't large by any means. We will be announcing a new sponsor within 2 weeks here. Please refrain from emailing our new sponsor, we do not want to get dropped by them as we were by WASD. These companies support our players.
At first I wondered why there was no concern exhibited over the community emailing current "sponsors" Dolby or own3d.
Then I realized that there really wouldn't be any repercussions from making false claims of imaginary sponsorship agreements in order to inflate your amateur team's status. Just weird looks and maybe a 'cease-and-decist' letter to just stop using their name, image, or logo.
I've just read the 18 pages. I have reasons to believe that Blackfoger is delusional. I also believe that he may very well be mentally unstable.
I recommend some professional help before going any further in this thread. Until then, I think you should drop whatever you're trying to do and perhaps find a different hobby to invest your time and money in. If I may, I would suggest stamp collecting. It can be quite fun.
On September 08 2012 04:29 Orek wrote: It's just that 99% circumstantial evidence is not enough to convince me, and I believe more in innocent until proven guilty.
..
That's not how real life (or the law) works..
Depends on the country. I believe most country use the Presumption of innocence do they not ?
What country requires a greater than 99% level of confidence in guilt before sentencing?
Circumstantial evidence is still evidence, and when the preponderance of evidence implies guilt you don't just sit around and wait for the 'absolute proof' that probably doesn't exist.
OK. now finally we have at least some links that tie own3Dtv and Dolby to Blight Gaming. However, I am not sure if those are enough. Since I don't like mass e-mailing any companies sponsor or not, and I will be out of town without internet for a few days, can someone actually ask, for the rest of us, these 2 companies if they are actually sponsors? http://blightgaming.com/2012/09/06/a-new-player-to-our-stellar-team/ clearly says these 2 companies are "Sponsors," not partner nor using their products. Considering the links blackfoger showed us, I am not so sure if these 2 companies actually know that they are listed as sponsors. 1 non-negative e-mail to each company just to confirm if they sponsor a team or not can't possibly hurt e-sports unlike hundreds of negative messages in the case of, say, orb or destiny. If nothing happens until I come back in a few days, I send them myself. Then, there is no need to talk about 99% discussion that I didn't intend to start. Why not make it 100% or 0% when all it takes is probably 2 e-mails? See you guys in a few days. Hope everything is sorted out by then.
I like how this only link to a dolby sponsorship is a tumblr blog, which is pretty much garbage, if dolby was supporting the team they would have had a real press release. Owned tv has you as a partner. along with hundreds upon hundreds of others, what is your point? they dont support your team directly, you just happen to make money off of streaming on their website. What a load of bullshit.
This is why esports needs a governing body. That would keep this shit from happening. Even a simple thing on teamliquid, where all teams register with one of the mods before players are allowed to be signed. An informal thing, a sort of gentleman's agreement between all pros that they go through the middleman to make sure that no one gets screwed.
I can't tell if he's just overambitious and doesn't have the knowledge of running a successful business and just digging a hole for himself or just a plain, dumb liar living the "I'm an owner of an esports team" dream because nothing he has posted has any real validity.
In both cases meaning he needs to grow up, cause no ones going to clean this up for him.
It's also hard to tell how much effort he really is putting in since the posts and interviews on his website are riddled with grammar mistakes and hard to read. If you can't take the time to do a spell check with announcements you post on your homepage, I really don't know what he's trying to prove he can accomplish. This isn't a matter of being good at English or not; in his most recent interview post: http://blightgaming.com/2012/09/07/interview-with-diglett/ he's just literally copy/pasting skype/chat logs and posting it on his site after adding a couple line breaks or something and considers that to be well-produced content. The fact he also quoted himself in the Crane announcement when he posted it himself is just plain silly.
How old are you? I see that you have claimed yourself to be a "retired 21 year old CEO" (Man, I wish I could have retired at 21) and also that you're in your 40's.
On September 08 2012 04:29 Orek wrote: It's just that 99% circumstantial evidence is not enough to convince me, and I believe more in innocent until proven guilty.
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That's not how real life (or the law) works..
Depends on the country. I believe most country use the Presumption of innocence do they not ?
What country requires a greater than 99% level of confidence in guilt before sentencing?
Circumstantial evidence is still evidence, and when the preponderance of evidence implies guilt you don't just sit around and wait for the 'absolute proof' that probably doesn't exist.
Sorry, thought the "thats not how real life works" comment was directed only at "innocent until proven guilty". My mistake
On September 08 2012 08:14 FallDownMarigold wrote: It's pretty sketchy that he just utterly ignores many of the jucier questions & issues brought up by people.
He has consitently dodged my quesyion about whether or not he used a translator when talking to crane, for one, here and on reddit. Thats one i want an answer to, although at this point its safe to assume.
On September 08 2012 08:14 FallDownMarigold wrote: It's pretty sketchy that he just utterly ignores many of the jucier questions & issues brought up by people.
He has consitently dodged my quesyion about whether or not he used a translator when talking to crane, for one, here and on reddit. Thats one i want an answer to, although at this point its safe to assume.
Here's my guess on what Blight's staff looks like:
CEO: James "Blackfogger" Larsen President: James "Blackfogger" Larsen General Manager: James "Blackfogger" Larsen PR Manager: James "Blackfogger" Larsen Website Manager: James "Blackfogger" Larsen Journalist: James "Blackfogger" Larsen Journalist: James "Blackfogger" Larsen "Translator": James "Blackfogger" Larsen Anti-Troll Squadron Manager: James "Blackfogger" Larsen Player Coach: James "Blackfogger" Larsen
x3 to make it 30 total since he says there are 30 people working for Blight. Yes, there must be 3 CEO's.
Our deals with both companies aren't large by any means. We will be announcing a new sponsor within 2 weeks here. Please refrain from emailing our new sponsor, we do not want to get dropped by them as we were by WASD. These companies support our players.
Bullshit.
Neither of those mention anywhere that they sponsor you. For own3dtv, that is just your channel. Partnership does not equal sponsorship. Be honest, they haven't payed you any money to put their logo on your website have they? No of course not because you are lying again. How about you show some real proof?
Now look at the Dolby page. No where does it say that they sponsor you. You just told them about how much you like Dolby gear.
We’re glad Blight Gaming chose Dolby to keep in-game sounds in their headsets
You chose their products, they didn't choose you.
Do you manage or play for an eSports team that competes using Dolby technology? We’d love to hear from you! Find us on Facebook or Twitter, and let us know how Dolby elevates your game.
How the hell do you equate this with a sponsorship? Any manager or player could email them and be given the same blog post. This is getting even more ridiculous, stop lying. This doesn't prove anything, this is just more bullshit from you stepping around the truth.
Read the article off USAToday since his version was a blatant copy/paste with some paraphrasing. This article is also from November of 2010... Was a good article for sure. Not trying to offend USAToday, the article, or the writer of that article by any means. Just the fact he should be updating his site with material of more importance such as his legitmacy as a business owner and esports team operator...
To be honest, I don't think this guy blackfoger is that evil or has any major ill-intent, seeing as he's trying to defend himself, and attempting to make up for his past wrongdoings, but I just think he's just incompetent and doesn't have the proper skillset to operate a team/business. I don't think that's the most I can give him in terms of benefit of doubt.
Whether lacking the skills and hurting people as a result or trying to scam and hurting people as a result, people are suffering either way as a result of his actions. Just constantly gambling on the esports dream or something I guess...
To people who can relate to the AZK/Phillipines issue, the main "culprit" Gus was the same; he was just too ambitious and didn't have to the skills and management to back it all up.
Our deals with both companies aren't large by any means. We will be announcing a new sponsor within 2 weeks here. Please refrain from emailing our new sponsor, we do not want to get dropped by them as we were by WASD. These companies support our players.
i've been monitoring this thread pretty closely ever since it blew up two days ago. to be really honest I haven't followed the SC2 at all for about half a year now, but eSports-cancerous stunts like this are still enough to evoke some sort of reaction from me.
and while I think it's good to clarify to everyone the issues related to Blackfoger's notorious character and previous offenses, I think in these past couple of pages we've detracted from one of the more important points of this thread:
do we have any updates as to how Crane is handling this situation?
On September 08 2012 11:30 SausageLinks wrote: i've been monitoring this thread pretty closely ever since it blew up two days ago. to be really honest I haven't followed the SC2 at all for about half a year now, but eSports-cancerous stunts like this are still enough to evoke some sort of reaction from me.
and while I think it's good to clarify to everyone the issues related to Blackfoger's notorious character and previous offenses, I think in these past couple of pages we've detracted from one of the more important points of this thread:
do we have any updates as to how Crane is handling this situation?
I played him in playhem yesterday and was asking him about the situation.
I asked: Do you know all the things about Blight Gaming?
He responded: Ty
So, this leads me to believe he has rather lower end english skills. If a translater wasn't used I don't have any clue how they even approached him. Moreover, the thank you response prompts me to believe he's still under the impression that Blight is actually going to be supporting him. :/ It's too bad really, but I hope nothing happens to him like getting to an airport and having no money for example.
Our deals with both companies aren't large by any means. We will be announcing a new sponsor within 2 weeks here. Please refrain from emailing our new sponsor, we do not want to get dropped by them as we were by WASD. These companies support our players.
Why didn't you show us this before?
The dolby one doesn't even mention you being sponsored by them, just the fact that you use their equipment. It seems more of an interview than a declartion of sponorship.
Lol those links are garbage. NEVERMIND
pro links....... lmao the dobly one doesn't even say anything about sponsoring Blight gaming it basically says thanks for using our equipment and giving a small interview. Nothing about how they provided the equipment or are sponsoring this team called "Blight" which is made up of a bunch of schemes and lies. And sweet own3d link anyone can make a stream on there....? How does that even say anything about being sponsored. Oh I can do that too check this out, www.twitch.tv/limenade i must be sponsored by twitch.tv too (SARCASM) although its not a big deal or anything with the company......... O_O
I knew he'd messed around people in CS and TF2 (being a member of the TF2 community myself). But he has previously screwed over DotA teams as well? And now Starcraft? What the actual hell? Starting to wonder if you could actually be mentally ill. Honestly just fucking leave - I'm starting to feel depressed at the fact that you will only continue to fuck people over in the future.
EDIT: Just read the blight gaming site/facebook a bit. Ridden with poor grammar/spelling/punctuation - what a fucking joke. To reiterate : GTFO
On September 08 2012 11:30 SausageLinks wrote: i've been monitoring this thread pretty closely ever since it blew up two days ago. to be really honest I haven't followed the SC2 at all for about half a year now, but eSports-cancerous stunts like this are still enough to evoke some sort of reaction from me.
and while I think it's good to clarify to everyone the issues related to Blackfoger's notorious character and previous offenses, I think in these past couple of pages we've detracted from one of the more important points of this thread:
do we have any updates as to how Crane is handling this situation?
I played him in playhem yesterday and was asking him about the situation.
I asked: Do you know all the things about Blight Gaming?
He responded: Ty
So, this leads me to believe he has rather lower end english skills. If a translater wasn't used I don't have any clue how they even approached him. Moreover, the thank you response prompts me to believe he's still under the impression that Blight is actually going to be supporting him. :/ It's too bad really, but I hope nothing happens to him like getting to an airport and having no money for example.
:/
thats really fucked up. I hope someone can speak to him and explain whats up.
Thank you for the email. Dolby is partnered with Blight Gaming, as they support our Dolby Axon voice solution but we are not financially sponsoring them.
Best- The Dolby Game Team
Sigh.... I emailed Dolby, and this is the reply. If anyone would like a full screenshot of the email I can provide aswell, but that is the response. i repeat they do not FINANCIALLY SPONSOR BLIGHT GAMING, BLIGHT GAMING USES THEIR PRODUCTS. pathetic move blackfoger.
On September 11 2012 03:15 Maasked wrote: Hi Charlie-
Thank you for the email. Dolby is partnered with Blight Gaming, as they support our Dolby Axon voice solution but we are not financially sponsoring them.
Best- The Dolby Game Team
Sigh.... I emailed Dolby, and this is the reply. If anyone would like a full screenshot of the email I can provide aswell, but that is the response. i repeat they do not FINANCIALLY SPONSOR BLIGHT GAMING, BLIGHT GAMING USES THEIR PRODUCTS. pathetic move blackfoger.
On September 11 2012 03:15 Maasked wrote: Hi Charlie-
Thank you for the email. Dolby is partnered with Blight Gaming, as they support our Dolby Axon voice solution but we are not financially sponsoring them.
Best- The Dolby Game Team
Sigh.... I emailed Dolby, and this is the reply. If anyone would like a full screenshot of the email I can provide aswell, but that is the response. i repeat they do not FINANCIALLY SPONSOR BLIGHT GAMING, BLIGHT GAMING USES THEIR PRODUCTS. pathetic move blackfoger.
Good on you to follow-up and e-mail them! Nice job!
This thread is confusing. This guy is either the worst or this is the most successful attack thread i've ever seen. There is no clarification either. If Blackfoger is everything you'all say he is, he should be banned and prevented from spreading his lies and deciet onward towards the teamliquid user base. However if teamliquid believes him undeserving of a ban, most of the posters in this thread should've been banned for egregious personal attacks.
It is an interestingly wonderful example of how this community operates.
godaddy was hacked earlier, all websites are down. We used a translator every step with crane he knows whats up and he will be releasing his own statement in a week here to the public along with our other players that have been supported. I never stated anywhere what support we are receiving from our sponsors. Our players know everything about our history and are getting fed up with the flaming.
On September 11 2012 05:02 Rebel_lion wrote: This thread is confusing. This guy is either the worst or this is the most successful attack thread i've ever seen. There is no clarification either. If Blackfoger is everything you'all say he is, he should be banned and prevented from spreading his lies and deciet onward towards the teamliquid user base. However if teamliquid believes him undeserving of a ban, most of the posters in this thread should've been banned for egregious personal attacks.
It is an interestingly wonderful example of how this community operates.
Better to leave him unbanned so we all know when he is trying this again. Keep your friends close and enemies closer, sorta deal.
On September 11 2012 05:02 Rebel_lion wrote: This thread is confusing. This guy is either the worst or this is the most successful attack thread i've ever seen. There is no clarification either. If Blackfoger is everything you'all say he is, he should be banned and prevented from spreading his lies and deciet onward towards the teamliquid user base. However if teamliquid believes him undeserving of a ban, most of the posters in this thread should've been banned for egregious personal attacks.
It is an interestingly wonderful example of how this community operates.
"I don't understand or know anything about this matter, but this is what I think you all should do, also you're all idiots for not doing it"
On September 11 2012 05:02 Rebel_lion wrote: This thread is confusing. This guy is either the worst or this is the most successful attack thread i've ever seen. There is no clarification either. If Blackfoger is everything you'all say he is, he should be banned and prevented from spreading his lies and deciet onward towards the teamliquid user base. However if teamliquid believes him undeserving of a ban, most of the posters in this thread should've been banned for egregious personal attacks.
It is an interestingly wonderful example of how this community operates.
There have been many, many links to sources about all the shit this guy has done. Just look around. Seriously, look around.
On September 11 2012 05:04 Blackfoger wrote: godaddy was hacked earlier, all websites are down. We used a translator every step with crane he knows whats up and he will be releasing his own statement in a week here to the public along with our other players that have been supported. I never stated anywhere what support we are receiving from our sponsors. Our players know everything about our history and are getting fed up with the flaming.
Honestly I think that you're still lying, still trying to justify what you're doing.
You keep saying "we" over and over, yet who on earth works for you? ...Nobody!
If if your players are getting fed up with the flaming, they can damn well come here and say it, you seem to be fairly active in speaking for them.
Yes I am vouching for our players because they don't want to get in the middle. Our SC2 team will be releasing statements on our website around the 15th about the community reaction and that is all they will be doing on the matter. Our players wish the flaming would stop as it will cause problems with our new sponsor who will be helping us go to more events.
We do have multiple staff they will be listed on the website very shortly when I can access our FTP again.
We have not "scammed" the majority of our teams, we have had many successful partnerships. In the course of things only the bad sticks out not the good.
On September 11 2012 05:04 Blackfoger wrote: godaddy was hacked earlier, all websites are down. We used a translator every step with crane he knows whats up and he will be releasing his own statement in a week here to the public along with our other players that have been supported. I never stated anywhere what support we are receiving from our sponsors. Our players know everything about our history and are getting fed up with the flaming.
These again are all observations and questions:
Who on earth is financially sponsoring you then? You have not provided any clear concrete facts that we can believe. Meaning Own3d is your partner/sponsor cause you stream there. Very minimal revenue from ads. Dolby doesn't provide any financial support. There is no source of capital into your team that you can pay your players with unless you're "paying from your own pocket." or making more empty promises, as result, INCREASING YOUR DEBT which you state you plan to pay off by continuing your "business/team/whatever you want to call it"
Post the skype logs/chat logs/some record of you with crane and the translator or something, so that it's easy for everyone to believe. I'm highly doubting you did this in person since Crane is in Korea while you're in Washington State.
Also, if your players really were fed up with the flaming, they'd be posting here directly and letting their voices be heard, supporting you. They wouldn't know about the flaming unless your players actually follow this thread or you've been telling your players that the team is getting badmouthed. In which case, you can ask them to post here and not use yourself as an intermediary.
There is really no transparency in anything you do; it all seems like you're bending the truth to make it sound favorable to you.
On September 11 2012 03:15 Maasked wrote: Hi Charlie-
Thank you for the email. Dolby is partnered with Blight Gaming, as they support our Dolby Axon voice solution but we are not financially sponsoring them.
Best- The Dolby Game Team
Sigh.... I emailed Dolby, and this is the reply. If anyone would like a full screenshot of the email I can provide aswell, but that is the response. i repeat they do not FINANCIALLY SPONSOR BLIGHT GAMING, BLIGHT GAMING USES THEIR PRODUCTS. pathetic move blackfoger.
GJ Maasked. So, this means that unlike the way most people thought, Dolby IS a partner of Blight Gaming and blackfoger didn't fabricate the story just because Dolby is a big company. I would give as much benefit of the doubt as possible on this matter, so blackfoger is not a convict yet in my eyes. Many, including myself, expected that Dolby literally had nothing to do with Blight Gaming before Maasked confirmed it. We now know that Dolby has relationship with the team however weak it is. That's one good news for blackfoger.
I would say that next thing we need to care about is how Crane and others are getting paid. Dolby specifically stated that they do not "financially sponsor" Blight Gaming. I have to wonder how players can get paid then. We need a Korean speaking volunteer here so that Crane can express himself to the community when something bad happens.
I am probably one of the last guys who still give blackfoger the chance. Evidence shows that he is probably not a successful business man, but still we don't have enough hard evidence to call him a fraud. The moment Crane doesn't get what he is promised, blackfoger becomes a fraud without a doubt. We don't necessarily have to know what exactly Crane was promised, but we definitely have to know if the promise was kept or broken every step of the way.
Can't believe that I've been oblivious of blackfoger and Blight gaming for so long. Now that I've dug in to this mess I'm left astounded how long his scams have been going and the fact that he might do it again shocks me even more. We could really use a KeSPA like organisation here. Anyone else having trouble opening Blight gaming's website?
On September 11 2012 05:41 Repomies wrote: Can't believe that I've been oblivious of blackfoger and Blight gaming for so long. Now that I've dug in to this mess I'm left astounded how long his scams have been going and the fact that he might do it again shocks me even more. We could really use a KeSPA like organisation here. Anyone else having trouble opening Blight gaming's website?
godaddy has been hacked as posted earlier, so all of godaddy services is down.
Best of luck to Crane. I have no idea how he was coerced into this and hopefully Blackfoger isn't screwing the kid over. This funding or lack of funding thing seems like the kind of problem that can only end badly. Blight might indeed be an appropriate name in that case. Why are NA gaming teams often named so poorly? You'd think a less filthy name would make a team more attractive to sponsors.
On September 11 2012 05:04 Blackfoger wrote: godaddy was hacked earlier, all websites are down. We used a translator every step with crane he knows whats up and he will be releasing his own statement in a week here to the public along with our other players that have been supported. I never stated anywhere what support we are receiving from our sponsors. Our players know everything about our history and are getting fed up with the flaming.
On September 06 2012 15:19 supernovamaniac wrote: I have the full conversation saved just in case. From what I know, however, Crane said:
1. He didn't know about the team's history 2. His contract was in English, not translated. It seemed like he didn't understand English well either, given that he told me he couldn't understand the cadred page because it was in English 3. He already signed the contract.
I had used a translator several when I approached Kim Han Byul and No I will not be posting any logs of our conversations. We wish to do right by crane right now we are trying to get him into a team house as for our contract seeing what options are available he is getting some gear sent to him shortly here. As I said our players do not want to get in the middle of this, they make a statement and that will be the end of this.
I am not trying to scam every team on earth.
We are just trying to progress and right the past mistakes that have been made. If our sc2 players get "scammed" you will know it.
This will be the final time I post if you really want to know more intricate parts of Blight you can add me on skype(blackfoger). I don't mind if logs are posted but I can't keep circling back to each persons replies.
On September 11 2012 05:55 Blackfoger wrote: I had used a translator several when I approached Kim Han Byul and No I will not be posting any logs of our conversations. We wish to do right by crane right now we are trying to get him into a team house as for our contract seeing what options are available he is getting some gear sent to him shortly here. As I said our players do not want to get in the middle of this, they make a statement and that will be the end of this.
I am not trying to scam every team on earth.
We are just trying to progress and right the past mistakes that have been made. If our sc2 players get "scammed" you will know it.
On September 06 2012 11:34 Torte de Lini wrote: Shit, no one warned Crane T_T
not really true, blight just told him a bunch of lies and false promises worth more thsan he could fetch elsewhere. Expect him to leave as soon as the first paycheck is due. NVM IM STUPID, i read that as wanted... yeah you're right...
I salute you - the difference between you and many other people is they will rarely admit they're wrong or misread. Thank you :-)
On September 11 2012 05:55 Blackfoger wrote: I had used a translator several when I approached Kim Han Byul and No I will not be posting any logs of our conversations. We wish to do right by crane right now we are trying to get him into a team house as for our contract seeing what options are available he is getting some gear sent to him shortly here. As I said our players do not want to get in the middle of this, they make a statement and that will be the end of this.
I am not trying to scam every team on earth.
We are just trying to progress and right the past mistakes that have been made. If our sc2 players get "scammed" you will know it.
This will be the final time I post if you really want to know more intricate parts of Blight you can add me on skype(blackfoger). I don't mind if logs are posted but I can't keep circling back to each persons replies.
On September 11 2012 05:55 Blackfoger wrote: I had used a translator several when I approached Kim Han Byul and No I will not be posting any logs of our conversations. We wish to do right by crane right now we are trying to get him into a team house as for our contract seeing what options are available he is getting some gear sent to him shortly here. As I said our players do not want to get in the middle of this, they make a statement and that will be the end of this.
I am not trying to scam every team on earth.
We are just trying to progress and right the past mistakes that have been made. If our sc2 players get "scammed" you will know it.
The thing is, blackfoger, with a history like yours, why are you still in this buisiness? The majority of community members here at TL seem to be saying that they do not want to trust you to fix anything. Why didnt you realize that you had too damaged a reputation to continue on in this buisiness? Your team is never going to get positive publicity without changing your name and getting proof of a reputable financial sponsor for your team. I honestly dont understand why you are still in this buisiness with a reputation damaged so badly, and so many plot holes for your current stories. The community doesnt trust you to clean up your act, this scene isn't for you. I am sure there are those that disagree with me and want to give you a chance, but I feel strongly that this is the majority opinion (by the thread, and information posted on you from other articles). I may be wrong, but I for one am not going to trust you to clean up your act, you've broken the esports communites trust several times before, you are not worth keeping around. /opinion
Not only is Blackfoger a scum, but he's a terrible liar. It's so transparent - I feel it's quite clear that the players don't know about the team's history at all...
He's made of the same essence as those who create "shock sites."
On September 11 2012 05:55 Blackfoger wrote: I had used a translator several when I approached Kim Han Byul and No I will not be posting any logs of our conversations. We wish to do right by crane right now we are trying to get him into a team house as for our contract seeing what options are available he is getting some gear sent to him shortly here. As I said our players do not want to get in the middle of this, they make a statement and that will be the end of this.
I am not trying to scam every team on earth.
We are just trying to progress and right the past mistakes that have been made. If our sc2 players get "scammed" you will know it.
The think is, blackfoger, with a history like yours, why are you still in this buisiness? The majority of community members here at TL seem to be saying that they do not want to trust you to fix anything. Why didnt you realize that you had too damaged a reputation to continue on in this buisiness? Your team is never going to get positive publicity without changing your name and getting proof of a reputable financial sponsor for your team. I honestly dont understand why you are still in this buisiness with a reputation damaged so badly, and so many plot holes for your current stories. The community doesnt trust you to clean up your act, this scene isn't for you. I am sure there are those that disagree with me and want to give you a chance, but I feel strongly that this is the majority opinion (by the thread, and information posted on you from other articles). I may be wrong, but I for one am not going to trust you to clean up your act, you've broken the esports communites trust several times before, you are not worth keeping around. /opinion
In several other communities we have slowly been gaining the trust back such as CSS, it is a slow and painful process but it's something that needs to be done. We need to pay back our debts as well. The majority of the TL members are bandwagoning and sending us death threats. We aren't leaving anytime soon just slowly rebuilding, we still have many supporting fans and ex-players that support us.
Hey guys. Nice to see so much love from the community, appreciate it. But to be honest, it would be very sweet if all of you could just stop spamming like this. I think people got the point: Blight have not had the greatest past but maybe you should open your eyes and see what blight can deliver for the future instead of just looking at the past. If any new issues comes up with blight I will make sure that all of you will know, but for now... Please leave us alone. Thank you.
PS. With that said, stop emailing our sponsors and telling them that blight is not to trust. I'd like to remain the sponsors we have and get new once as well so that blight have a fair chance to deliver me and the other players on the team what they promised. If you have any more problems, then contact blackfoger and speak with him 1v1 instead of being like a 5 years old saying "he said" in a thread like this.
On September 11 2012 06:08 viPro- wrote: Hey guys. Nice to see so much love from the community, appreciate it. But to be honest, it would be very sweet if all of you could just stop spamming like this. I think people got the point: Blight have not had the greatest past but maybe you should open your eyes and see what blight can deliver for the future instead of just looking at the past. If any new issues comes up with blight I will make sure that all of you will know, but for now... Please leave us alone. Thank you.
PS. With that said, stop emailing our sponsors and telling them that blight is not to trust. I'd like to remain the sponsors we have and get new once as well so that blight have a fair chance to deliver me and the other players on the team what they promised. If you have any more problems, then contact blackfoger and speak with him 1v1 instead of being like a 5 years old saying "he said" in a thread like this.
Where is the money coming from? It is clear that Dolby, while associated is not providing any real $$. It is also clear that own3d is not giving nearly enough to support the situation presently infront of you, and another unannounced sponsor will be revealed at X day, which is also not promising endorsement of their product or your team.
It seems like you currently either have a bankroll, or you are accumulating more debt.
I personally do not believe you are rich, Why? You would have long past paid what you already have promised to previous dealings, because by not doing this you are weakening your position in acquiring new sponsors, players, staff, ect, as few people will want to deal with a company with your current history. If you were smart at least, you would know this to be true.
So....
Since I will give you credit for being smart, you must be acquiring more debt to run the team. If this is the case, it is likely you are only going to perpetuate your current situation, backed into a corner trying to fend off the trolls with a 10 foot pike.
Unless
You have mom and pop paying for the whole shebang.
Maybe you aren't so smart after-all. Or maybe you're just an incompetent rich kid, who is on his first steps to pissing away family fortune.
On September 11 2012 05:55 Blackfoger wrote: I had used a translator several when I approached Kim Han Byul and No I will not be posting any logs of our conversations. We wish to do right by crane right now we are trying to get him into a team house as for our contract seeing what options are available he is getting some gear sent to him shortly here. As I said our players do not want to get in the middle of this, they make a statement and that will be the end of this.
I am not trying to scam every team on earth.
We are just trying to progress and right the past mistakes that have been made. If our sc2 players get "scammed" you will know it.
The think is, blackfoger, with a history like yours, why are you still in this buisiness? The majority of community members here at TL seem to be saying that they do not want to trust you to fix anything. Why didnt you realize that you had too damaged a reputation to continue on in this buisiness? Your team is never going to get positive publicity without changing your name and getting proof of a reputable financial sponsor for your team. I honestly dont understand why you are still in this buisiness with a reputation damaged so badly, and so many plot holes for your current stories. The community doesnt trust you to clean up your act, this scene isn't for you. I am sure there are those that disagree with me and want to give you a chance, but I feel strongly that this is the majority opinion (by the thread, and information posted on you from other articles). I may be wrong, but I for one am not going to trust you to clean up your act, you've broken the esports communites trust several times before, you are not worth keeping around. /opinion
In several other communities we have slowly been gaining the trust back such as CSS, it is a slow and painful process but it's something that needs to be done. We need to pay back our debts as well. The majority of the TL members are bandwagoning and sending us death threats. We aren't leaving anytime soon just slowly rebuilding, we still have many supporting fans and ex-players that support us.
Really the majority of TL members are sending you death threats I find that hard to believe.
On September 11 2012 05:55 Blackfoger wrote: I had used a translator several when I approached Kim Han Byul and No I will not be posting any logs of our conversations. We wish to do right by crane right now we are trying to get him into a team house as for our contract seeing what options are available he is getting some gear sent to him shortly here. As I said our players do not want to get in the middle of this, they make a statement and that will be the end of this.
I am not trying to scam every team on earth.
We are just trying to progress and right the past mistakes that have been made. If our sc2 players get "scammed" you will know it.
The think is, blackfoger, with a history like yours, why are you still in this buisiness? The majority of community members here at TL seem to be saying that they do not want to trust you to fix anything. Why didnt you realize that you had too damaged a reputation to continue on in this buisiness? Your team is never going to get positive publicity without changing your name and getting proof of a reputable financial sponsor for your team. I honestly dont understand why you are still in this buisiness with a reputation damaged so badly, and so many plot holes for your current stories. The community doesnt trust you to clean up your act, this scene isn't for you. I am sure there are those that disagree with me and want to give you a chance, but I feel strongly that this is the majority opinion (by the thread, and information posted on you from other articles). I may be wrong, but I for one am not going to trust you to clean up your act, you've broken the esports communites trust several times before, you are not worth keeping around. /opinion
In several other communities we have slowly been gaining the trust back such as CSS, it is a slow and painful process but it's something that needs to be done. We need to pay back our debts as well. The majority of the TL members are bandwagoning and sending us death threats. We aren't leaving anytime soon just slowly rebuilding, we still have many supporting fans and ex-players that support us.
Really the majority of TL members are sending you death threats I find that hard to believe.
Well maybe if you count saying he should be banned from esports, maybe thats a death threat in the magical mind of blackfoger.
After a quick search, I found nothing; could someone provide me with links to articles of activity in CS:S after 2010? That was the most recent news strories I could find involing CS:S and Blight Gaming.
On September 11 2012 05:55 Blackfoger wrote: I had used a translator several when I approached Kim Han Byul and No I will not be posting any logs of our conversations. We wish to do right by crane right now we are trying to get him into a team house as for our contract seeing what options are available he is getting some gear sent to him shortly here. As I said our players do not want to get in the middle of this, they make a statement and that will be the end of this.
I am not trying to scam every team on earth.
We are just trying to progress and right the past mistakes that have been made. If our sc2 players get "scammed" you will know it.
The think is, blackfoger, with a history like yours, why are you still in this buisiness? The majority of community members here at TL seem to be saying that they do not want to trust you to fix anything. Why didnt you realize that you had too damaged a reputation to continue on in this buisiness? Your team is never going to get positive publicity without changing your name and getting proof of a reputable financial sponsor for your team. I honestly dont understand why you are still in this buisiness with a reputation damaged so badly, and so many plot holes for your current stories. The community doesnt trust you to clean up your act, this scene isn't for you. I am sure there are those that disagree with me and want to give you a chance, but I feel strongly that this is the majority opinion (by the thread, and information posted on you from other articles). I may be wrong, but I for one am not going to trust you to clean up your act, you've broken the esports communites trust several times before, you are not worth keeping around. /opinion
In several other communities we have slowly been gaining the trust back such as CSS, it is a slow and painful process but it's something that needs to be done. We need to pay back our debts as well. The majority of the TL members are bandwagoning and sending us death threats. We aren't leaving anytime soon just slowly rebuilding, we still have many supporting fans and ex-players that support us.
Really the majority of TL members are sending you death threats I find that hard to believe.
We have received a large amount on our website, email, twitter, and facebook. Some are death threats the others are threats against our sponsors and players. Another was a threat saying they know where I live and will enact harm on me.
On September 11 2012 06:10 Mo0Rauder wrote: Where is the money coming from? It is clear that Dolby, while associated is not providing any real $$. It is also clear that own3d is not giving nearly enough to support the situation presently infront of you, and another unannounced sponsor will be revealed at X day, which is also not promising endorsement of their product or your team.
It seems like you currently either have a bankroll, or you are accumulating more debt.
I personally do not believe you are rich, Why? You would have long past paid what you already have promised to previous dealings, because by not doing this you are weakening your position in acquiring new sponsors, players, staff, ect, as few people will want to deal with a company with your current history. If you were smart at least, you would know this to be true.
So....
Since I will give you credit for being smart, you must be acquiring more debt to run the team. If this is the case, it is likely you are only going to perpetuate your current situation, backed into a corner trying to fend off the trolls with a 10 foot pike.
Unless
You have mom and pop paying for the whole shebang.
Maybe you aren't so smart after-all. Or maybe you're just an incompetent rich kid, who is on his first steps to pissing away family fortune.
So... Where is the money coming from?
We have a few private investors, I have personally put in 70k past few years if you look at the paypal logs that were posted up. We have never used any parents income. I have had bad dealings because I mismanaged our funds at the time or relied on a few non reliant private investors.
On September 11 2012 06:08 viPro- wrote: Hey guys. Nice to see so much love from the community, appreciate it. But to be honest, it would be very sweet if all of you could just stop spamming like this. I think people got the point: Blight have not had the greatest past but maybe you should open your eyes and see what blight can deliver for the future instead of just looking at the past. If any new issues comes up with blight I will make sure that all of you will know, but for now... Please leave us alone. Thank you.
PS. With that said, stop emailing our sponsors and telling them that blight is not to trust. I'd like to remain the sponsors we have and get new once as well so that blight have a fair chance to deliver me and the other players on the team what they promised. If you have any more problems, then contact blackfoger and speak with him 1v1 instead of being like a 5 years old saying "he said" in a thread like this.
Sorry to say this... but you have no sponsors.
We had WASD keyboards but several people emailed them to drop us and it cost players like Rasmus some funding and gear. We are announcing another company shortly and Rasmus wrote that because we do not want to get dropped by another company because of people bandwagoning that we are going to scam players. Our players want our sponsors to stay and support them.
On September 11 2012 06:20 Maasked wrote: After a quick search, I found nothing; could someone provide me with links to articles of activity in CS:S after 2010? That was the most recent news strories I could find involing CS:S and Blight Gaming.
There hasn't been any issues if that's what you mean. The majority of the time we have been sponsoring Zomblerz. Here are a few links
On September 11 2012 06:10 Mo0Rauder wrote: Where is the money coming from? It is clear that Dolby, while associated is not providing any real $$. It is also clear that own3d is not giving nearly enough to support the situation presently infront of you, and another unannounced sponsor will be revealed at X day, which is also not promising endorsement of their product or your team.
It seems like you currently either have a bankroll, or you are accumulating more debt.
I personally do not believe you are rich, Why? You would have long past paid what you already have promised to previous dealings, because by not doing this you are weakening your position in acquiring new sponsors, players, staff, ect, as few people will want to deal with a company with your current history. If you were smart at least, you would know this to be true.
So....
Since I will give you credit for being smart, you must be acquiring more debt to run the team. If this is the case, it is likely you are only going to perpetuate your current situation, backed into a corner trying to fend off the trolls with a 10 foot pike.
Unless
You have mom and pop paying for the whole shebang.
Maybe you aren't so smart after-all. Or maybe you're just an incompetent rich kid, who is on his first steps to pissing away family fortune.
So... Where is the money coming from?
On September 11 06:21 2012 Blackfoger wrote: We have a few private investors, I have personally put in 70k past few years if you look at the paypal logs that were posted up. We have never used any parents income. I have had bad dealings because I mismanaged our funds at the time or relied on a few non reliant private investors.
Here is one of your past "Private Investors" It seems like you might be the one who is unreliable. My personal opinion is that this guy seems "reliable" However we both know the world is not build on personal opinion but solid foundations, one which Blight clearly never had.
On September 07 04:44 zaxx Wrote: I respect that view. Sadly, that's what got me a little over 2,000 USD within two weeks investing into Blight. This was November of 2010. Two weeks after giving him a little of 2,000 USD (I can't remember the exact amount), he requested upwards of 5,000 USD for "various projects" to which he couldn't expand on. Upon that request and the refusal of more information as to where my 2K went in 1-2 weeks and where another 5K was going to go... I became more weary of his tactics. Within two weeks after that, I notified Blackfoger that I didn't think Blight was for me. The next month, I joined another fellow Blackfoger had scammed out of 1,500 USD (he had to bail Blackfoger out of stiffing a team at a LAN) and joined CheckSix Gaming where I became part equity owner with that said person.
So, if you are looking for innocence in Blackfoger, I am sad to say that you will be hard pressed to find any whatsoever. Even after I realized he didn't have very strong character, I still clang to hope that he would change and I actually tried to be the catalyst for that change. However, after watching my efforts fail in vain and to see him continue his immoral decision making, I finally gave up. I realize you are referring to his "sponsorships" and not his track record with colleagues or the rest of the eSports community, but his history should shed some light as to the exact nature of his values and ethics. For a person who is trying to contribute to the growth of eSports as a whole (quantity within the community, quality of the community, and corporate involvement within the industry), I believe people such as Blackfoger will only hinder our efforts to legitimize eSports as a notable industry.
If it makes you feel any better, Blackfoger, I don't care nearly enough to email your sponsors with either positive, neutral or negative feedback or send you any threats. How do you even come up with "The majority of the TL members are bandwagoning and sending us death threats."?
By "us" do you mean "me"?
What would TL have against your employees? We're supposed to care about what's in their best interests, no?
I like to think people can change, but your track record does indicate that the accusations confined to this thread aren't exactly baseless. You won't even give a straight answer on where your money comes from other than saying "private investors" and 70k from "myself".
Would it be more accurate to say "chump investors who won't make anything back on their investment until I pay for the mistakes of the past"?
By "myself" don't you mean "people I borrowed money from"?
A lot of us are just curious. Who do we support if we want to support your SC2 team? Aside from cheering for the players and watching their games, how can we help you help them by not helping you directly, since you apparently can't be trusted with money?
On September 11 2012 06:20 Maasked wrote: After a quick search, I found nothing; could someone provide me with links to articles of activity in CS:S after 2010? That was the most recent news strories I could find involing CS:S and Blight Gaming.
There hasn't been any issues if that's what you mean. The majority of the time we have been sponsoring Zomblerz. Here are a few links
A few Zomblerz articles are on ESEA website and a few threads there as well but you have to have premium to read them.
To shed some light on Blight.Zomblerz, the team used their own tag (zomblerz) for most of the competitions. ESEA prevented Zomblerz from using the Blight tag in matches because Blackfoger wouldn't pay the invite deposit per season (100 USD per player). In fact, this policy was enacted because of Blackfoger's Blight as it were; ESEA desired to take steps to legitimize eSports organizations within ESEA and weed out the "Blight's" within the community. WASD keyboards sponsored Zomberz with minimal representation to Blight. WASD provided "Zomberz" keyboards to the team last ESEA season without any representation of the Blight organization on the keyboard. It's also worthy to note that the team left Blight as soon as possible (which is why Blight lost the WASD sponsorship) and headed over to Frost Gaming which I encourage everyone to support.
While GoSu had nothing bad to say for political reasons, he stated that GoSu (ONE back then) received 55% of everything promised to them from Blackfoger. This figure is consistent with what he does with every other team he has ever taken under his banner.
If others don't want to take the communities advice that has experience with this person, that is completely fine. He may not screw you over in the near future, but evidence and history shows over many, many years that he repeats his fraudulent activities over and over again. I'd like to see my colleagues paid back which he owes before he starts to promise any misguided players anything else.
Is he going to actually sponsor Crane with what Crane wants from him? I don't know. Only time will tell
Two things remain unchanged though: No Korean Contract was available (not implying that there was no translator at the place and/or skype call, which ever one it is. I'm trying to keep it as honest as possible) when Crane signed it, and Crane did not know about blackfoger's past before signing (at least, to certain scale. I guess FXOBoss warned him, but I don't know how much advice he gave Crane. I want to thank him though; shows that he still cares about the players even after they have left the team).
Blackfoger wrote: In several other communities we have slowly been gaining the trust back such as CSS.
AHEM, let them speak for themselves, you've had your credability revoked.
Mo0Rauder wrote: Where is the money coming from?
Blackfoger wrote: I have personally put in 70k
You ask for 2k's at a time, yet you've personally invested 70k? Also, i wouldnt say you've dropped 70k on anything when you apparently owe very many people very much money. This is just in addition to what others have input. It feels too censored to say that you're just a plague upon esports, so, get off the fucking planet.
On September 07 2012 02:59 Sent. wrote: Can someone explain to me how exactly is that guy making profits from scamming players (if he really does that)?
Maybe he just is a pathological liar and mentally ill, and wants to be the "owner" of an esports team. I can't believe so many people have fell for it after the wealth of information of all his past scams.
There are millions of people who believe homeopathy was legit.
Not to say what billions believe to be legit.
Just saying... a little confirmation bias and greed can go a long way to ignore or neglect looking for evidence to the contrary.
Compulsive liars are just a fact of life. I'm sure all of us have known 2 or 3 growing up. The best thing to do is to cut them out of your life as soon as possible. They are simply incapable of having any perspective about how the world perceives them or what it means to be a decent human being.
When a man and an organization prove themselves to be frauds -- over and over and over -- there is very little room for forgiveness. You deserve all the vitriol from this thread. Don't go into business if you can't deliver what you promise. Plain and simple.
On September 07 2012 08:01 SpiZe wrote: A running "gag" was that he was going around sponsoring teams with his parents Credit Card. Not sure if there is any truth to it or w/e.
One of the TF2 players for one of the many Blight teams saw some kind of Paypal receipt that had "Susan Larsen" listed as the cardholder.
See right there misquoting what he said it was in a Audio interview and he said he saw it on an online email transcript. Then again he had not posted any of the proof thus it's a running "gag"
If we shut down operations we can't pay off debt because we have source of revenue. Think of it this way, we have sponsors that pay say 1500 a month and we only use 1000 of that for players. We are not accumulating more debt we use the extra 500 a month to pay old expenses. Our current plan is slowly working well, we will be announcing another sponsor shortly that will help our teams. With this new company can work to progress quicker but if people email them it causes us to go backwords.
OK, so now that it is confirmed that you guys don't make any money from sponsors, how come you just said that you make 1500$/month from sponsors? That's a lie right there... And then even if somehow dolby was miscommunicating with the public (extremely unlikely.... .0000000001%), the 500$ in between 1k player salaries and money made is meant to go to player TRAVEL, not personal debt... that money is not profit, as you still have to pay players to go to events, and clearly 1k/month is not accurate for player salaries anyways, as Crane must be making a few hundred a month, and Cyto was looking for 800 euros per month, so you are clearly lying to them about that... seems to me like a game of jenga, you pull a piece out of your parents credit card money, pay it to one player that month, tell the other players that their cash is a "little late", then hope that the whole jenga block doesnt' come crashing down on you.
Its funny cause Blackfoger has 75 posts on this website, and 74 of them are in self defense. This is better than a syndicated reality show. Keep the drama coming!
Hi James, Can you address the posts that claim that blight gaming as an entity, does not even exist? I know you're kind of cherry picking things to answer to and things to ignore, but it would go a long way toward proving your legitimacy if you told us what the LLC in WA state is that you own.
On September 07 2012 08:01 SpiZe wrote: A running "gag" was that he was going around sponsoring teams with his parents Credit Card. Not sure if there is any truth to it or w/e.
One of the TF2 players for one of the many Blight teams saw some kind of Paypal receipt that had "Susan Larsen" listed as the cardholder.
See right there misquoting what he said it was in a Audio interview and he said he saw it on an online email transcript. Then again he had not posted any of the proof thus it's a running "gag"
If we shut down operations we can't pay off debt because we have source of revenue. Think of it this way, we have sponsors that pay say 1500 a month and we only use 1000 of that for players. We are not accumulating more debt we use the extra 500 a month to pay old expenses. Our current plan is slowly working well, we will be announcing another sponsor shortly that will help our teams. With this new company can work to progress quicker but if people email them it causes us to go backwords.
OK, so now that it is confirmed that you guys don't make any money from sponsors, how come you just said that you make 1500$/month from sponsors? That's a lie right there... And then even if somehow dolby was miscommunicating with the public (extremely unlikely.... .0000000001%), the 500$ in between 1k player salaries and money made is meant to go to player TRAVEL, not personal debt... that money is not profit, as you still have to pay players to go to events, and clearly 1k/month is not accurate for player salaries anyways, as Crane must be making a few hundred a month, and Cyto was looking for 800 euros per month, so you are clearly lying to them about that... seems to me like a game of jenga, you pull a piece out of your parents credit card money, pay it to one player that month, tell the other players that their cash is a "little late", then hope that the whole jenga block doesnt' come crashing down on you.
Not trying to defend him here but the 1500/month example was merely an example he used to explain how he plans to pay off his outstanding debt. Not saying that it's a good plan/valid plan but he used it as an example, so you're attacking him on the wrong basis.
He also has not publicly released any concrete info on the amount of revenue and expenses he/his team has. That being said, from the info posted here we can pretty much sum up he has no capital provided by sponsors and according to him, all of it comes from his own pocket and "private investors."
Our players know our history they have had people message them, they have talke to our current teams and some of our old teams. That being said none of them want to leave us currently they are however being cautious which is 100% understood.
LOL you make me sick to my stomach when I hear bs like this from you. How dare you try to scam innocent hardworking players and then try to cover up your tracks. Like I mentioned previously, Crane did NOT know about your team history, nor did he talk to a translator, nor did he have his contract translated into Korean like any other respectable team would. I have proof, but it's kind of stupid dragging an innocent player into the drama.
On September 07 2012 02:27 VirgilSC2 wrote: Just for some standpoint as to how delusional Blackfoger has gotten, the list of players he mentioned to me he was looking at acquiring are:
Our players know our history they have had people message them, they have talke to our current teams and some of our old teams. That being said none of them want to leave us currently they are however being cautious which is 100% understood.
LOL you make me sick to my stomach when I hear bs like this from you. How dare you try to scam innocent hardworking players and then try to cover up your tracks. Like I mentioned previously, Crane did NOT know about your team history, nor did he talk to a translator, nor did he have his contract translated into Korean like any other respectable team would. I have proof, but it's kind of stupid dragging an innocent player into the drama.
On September 07 2012 02:27 VirgilSC2 wrote: Just for some standpoint as to how delusional Blackfoger has gotten, the list of players he mentioned to me he was looking at acquiring are:
BF, you wanna pay me the rest of the money you owe me why your at it? I mean its only from Columbus last year and with all your new recent success I could only imagine you can afford the 800 dollars difference that came out of my pocket. I gave you an honest chance, made a fair deal, and you were unable to follow through. I however do think you at least wanted to, you just weren't able to deliver.
Hope you have at least 3-4 months of these guys salaries already stashed away in some bank account so you don't rip off some poor kid that doesn't even speak your language. One day maybe you will get a clue that being dishonest to people, isn't the easiest way to achieve long term success, despite the very, very, very, short term gain you seem to get on a regular basis. IE having some new player for 2 weeks before they bail.
On September 11 2012 15:33 RuMCaKe wrote: BF, you wanna pay me the rest of the money you owe me why your at it? I mean its only from Columbus last year and with all your new recent success I could only imagine you can afford the 800 dollars difference that came out of my pocket. I gave you an honest chance, made a fair deal, and you were unable to follow through. I however do think you at least wanted to, you just weren't able to deliver.
Hope you have at least 3-4 months of these guys salaries already stashed away in some bank account so you don't rip off some poor kid that doesn't even speak your language. One day maybe you will get a clue that being dishonest to people, isn't the easiest way to achieve long term success, despite the very, very, very, short term gain you seem to get on a regular basis. IE having some new player for 2 weeks before they bail.
Spoken very well. Another prominent business person/manager coming to this thread to share his experience with Blight. Another person Blackfoger owes money to, and RuM is even in the SC2 community just like the rest of us on TL.net. Just another person James Larson fails to prioritize over his dream at e-Fame. At some point this guy has to be held accountable for everything he has done rather than be given a 16th [hypothetical] chance at a situation that we can all predict the end result of.
I think that is why his partners and sponsors should be aware of the person they are doing business with. Just wish there was a way to accomplish that without risking alienating them from the scene altogether. But, if you think about it, a bad experience with Blight (which will happen inevitably) will discourage them from the industry regardless. Which is the lesser of the two evils?
I first was introduced to Blackfoger years and years ago in competitive Guild Wars. I believe that was one of the first games where he attempted to create an official "sponsored" team. Nobody in that community liked him and he was just as shady and as much of a liar back then, too. Back then he was 17 and, as far as I'm aware, got all of his funds from his family. The GW team that signed with him received none of the things they were promised for being sponsored. In fact, they just straight up received nothing. Glad to see people are still aware of what a plague his "Blight Gaming" is across the entire competitive gaming scene. I don't know how anyone can take him seriously, his awful history has been going on for at least 5-6 years.
At ESEA Lan S5 I remember talking to him and he told me he won a settlement with some medical problem from a crash or something and was getting paid a large amount for it. He seemed like a good, genuine hearted kid when i met him, although much younger than I expected. At the time he was trying to pay for a teams league fee in an attempt to not just be on the roster but actually play(he was young and wanted to play 1.6 at the highest level, cant blame him for that). I know he contributed a fair amount to zomblerz (good friends with pham who was apart of the team) with a small salary and travel to an ESEA lan. As far as all these issues with him I cant say that they arent true but I think and hope that he is just trying to contribute to esports. Everyone deserves a second chance, I just hope he doesnt blow it within the sc2 community and makes promises to players that he immediately can fulfill
On September 11 2012 16:58 Adrenaline789 wrote: At ESEA Lan S5 I remember talking to him and he told me he won a settlement with some medical problem from a crash or something and was getting paid a large amount for it. He seemed like a good, genuine hearted kid when i met him, although much younger than I expected. At the time he was trying to pay for a teams league fee in an attempt to not just be on the roster but actually play(he was young and wanted to play 1.6 at the highest level, cant blame him for that). I know he contributed a fair amount to zomblerz (good friends with pham who was apart of the team) with a small salary and travel to an ESEA lan. As far as all these issues with him I cant say that they arent true but I think and hope that he is just trying to contribute to esports. Everyone deserves a second chance, I just hope he doesnt blow it within the sc2 community and makes promises to players that he immediately can fulfill
On September 11 2012 16:58 Adrenaline789 wrote: At ESEA Lan S5 I remember talking to him and he told me he won a settlement with some medical problem from a crash or something and was getting paid a large amount for it. He seemed like a good, genuine hearted kid when i met him, although much younger than I expected. At the time he was trying to pay for a teams league fee in an attempt to not just be on the roster but actually play(he was young and wanted to play 1.6 at the highest level, cant blame him for that). I know he contributed a fair amount to zomblerz (good friends with pham who was apart of the team) with a small salary and travel to an ESEA lan. As far as all these issues with him I cant say that they arent true but I think and hope that he is just trying to contribute to esports. Everyone deserves a second chance, I just hope he doesnt blow it within the sc2 community and makes promises to players that he immediately can fulfill
A 2nd chance yeah, not a 15th or 20th chance. He's still shady as fuck, still lies about shit and dodges questions. He's had more chances than he deserves and it's about time he gets the fuck out of pretending to be part of esports.
On September 11 2012 16:58 Adrenaline789 wrote: At ESEA Lan S5 I remember talking to him and he told me he won a settlement with some medical problem from a crash or something and was getting paid a large amount for it. He seemed like a good, genuine hearted kid when i met him, although much younger than I expected. At the time he was trying to pay for a teams league fee in an attempt to not just be on the roster but actually play(he was young and wanted to play 1.6 at the highest level, cant blame him for that). I know he contributed a fair amount to zomblerz (good friends with pham who was apart of the team) with a small salary and travel to an ESEA lan. As far as all these issues with him I cant say that they arent true but I think and hope that he is just trying to contribute to esports. Everyone deserves a second chance, I just hope he doesnt blow it within the sc2 community and makes promises to players that he immediately can fulfill
You made a new acc just for this :/
Joined TL.net Friday, 6th of July 2012
So, either he/she keeps multiple accounts just in case, or you made false accusation based only on "Posts 1" as if no one is allowed to post for the first time. Somewhat defending blackfoger in his/her first post was probably not a good idea, but even slightly grey=guilty kind of attitude we often see in the community is bad as well.
On September 11 2012 15:33 RuMCaKe wrote: BF, you wanna pay me the rest of the money you owe me why your at it? I mean its only from Columbus last year and with all your new recent success I could only imagine you can afford the 800 dollars difference that came out of my pocket. I gave you an honest chance, made a fair deal, and you were unable to follow through. I however do think you at least wanted to, you just weren't able to deliver.
Hope you have at least 3-4 months of these guys salaries already stashed away in some bank account so you don't rip off some poor kid that doesn't even speak your language. One day maybe you will get a clue that being dishonest to people, isn't the easiest way to achieve long term success, despite the very, very, very, short term gain you seem to get on a regular basis. IE having some new player for 2 weeks before they bail.
Bam. Already has ripped off this community, why trust him? No reason in the world to do so -___-
On September 11 2012 15:33 RuMCaKe wrote: BF, you wanna pay me the rest of the money you owe me why your at it? I mean its only from Columbus last year and with all your new recent success I could only imagine you can afford the 800 dollars difference that came out of my pocket. I gave you an honest chance, made a fair deal, and you were unable to follow through. I however do think you at least wanted to, you just weren't able to deliver.
Hope you have at least 3-4 months of these guys salaries already stashed away in some bank account so you don't rip off some poor kid that doesn't even speak your language. One day maybe you will get a clue that being dishonest to people, isn't the easiest way to achieve long term success, despite the very, very, very, short term gain you seem to get on a regular basis. IE having some new player for 2 weeks before they bail.
Too bad he will completely ignore your post or just "not remember" this happening.
The good news is, is Its Gosu soon worked out a deal with the respective site to provide some coverage to their players. Suck RuM had to pay out of his own pocket if he did, ONE was sick at that MLG with tons of great results, including Namchir, and wbc making solid runs.
Like seriously now. How can you give any type of income/salary to any of ur players when you have much to pay off? Like WHY would you recruit NEW players to your team when you haven't paid off the rest that u OWE people? Like where is ur brain located at this moment? Do people really need to tell you that you should PAY them first and rebuild ur reputation before you give out news on big sites and claiming that you have sponsors WHICH doesn't give you any money at all.
own3d DOES not give you any type of money or support. Dolby IS just GLAD that you use their products that's about it. When you announce ur new sponsor i BET that many people will email them and ask what the heck ur doing and if that's just another lie from you.
On September 11 2012 15:33 RuMCaKe wrote: BF, you wanna pay me the rest of the money you owe me why your at it? I mean its only from Columbus last year and with all your new recent success I could only imagine you can afford the 800 dollars difference that came out of my pocket. I gave you an honest chance, made a fair deal, and you were unable to follow through. I however do think you at least wanted to, you just weren't able to deliver.
Hope you have at least 3-4 months of these guys salaries already stashed away in some bank account so you don't rip off some poor kid that doesn't even speak your language. One day maybe you will get a clue that being dishonest to people, isn't the easiest way to achieve long term success, despite the very, very, very, short term gain you seem to get on a regular basis. IE having some new player for 2 weeks before they bail.
Bam. Already has ripped off this community, why trust him? No reason in the world to do so -___-
Not only that, but he hasn't bothered to try and repay the people he ripped off. If we wants back in he's going to have to pay.
Without commenting further, I find it interesting how many actually legitimate members of the community have commented noting how terrible this guy is. That, in and of itself, should speak to the shadiness of anything that he says. :\
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